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(WOKV Jacksonville)   Store customer with a concealed weapons permit attempts to stop a robbery. He wounds bystanders and gets into a shootout with police when they think he's the robber. Just kidding. He shot the robber dead and the police thanked him   (wokv.com) divider line 755
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2012-08-29 07:11:43 AM
Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

The only people who keep their issue-weapons in their homes are members of the Militia and members of the Swiss regular military, and they have to keep their ammunition and magazines in sealed containers which are regularly inspected by their superiors. That was before 2007, now they aren't allowed to keep the ammunition for those weapons at home, they have to report to an armorer to obtain it.

In addition, after the end of their service period, if they choose to keep their weapon, the rifle has it's select fire action removed, and replaced with a semi-auto version.

Purchases of non-Army firearms are also regulated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Army-issued_ a rms
 
2012-08-29 07:13:18 AM
Seriously, BronyMedic is trying to land on my Favorites list.
 
2012-08-29 07:13:49 AM
Uh oh LOOKS like he's TAKING A HIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE
 
2012-08-29 07:14:32 AM
Hold on a sec, need to pull up my armchair then decide how I want to use this situation to prove or disprove my already made up mind about this certain topic.


Oh but I do love the bloodlust comments. I'd bet money this guy is going to have nightmares for the rest of his life. BLOOD. LUST. PUPPIES.
 
2012-08-29 07:16:27 AM

puffy999: Loaded Six String: Should we find a nice infographic on how many people were killed with knives in each of these countries as well? Violent crime is violent crime regardless of the method. There is a root cause, or indeed many, and guns are not it.

Guns aren't the cause, they just make it easier.

Deer hunting is popular, but moreso for those who use guns over bows. I don't know if there are any knife, fountain pen, or grenade hunting seasons for deer...


Taking on a buck with anything without a decent reach and speed is nigh impossible, so meh. Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.
 
2012-08-29 07:17:31 AM
Loaded Six String: Taking on a buck with anything without a decent reach and speed is nigh impossible, so meh. Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.

I demand the right, in that case, to walk around with a concealed compound bow, like my forefathers before me in Europe.

If it is good enough to take down a buck, then by god, it's good enough to put a hole in some punk trying to steal my wallet.
 
2012-08-29 07:17:38 AM

Loaded Six String: Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.


Most robbers, even those who present weapons, don't use them, even when denied the goods for which they asked.
 
2012-08-29 07:18:22 AM

BronyMedic: Loaded Six String: Taking on a buck with anything without a decent reach and speed is nigh impossible, so meh. Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.

I demand the right, in that case, to walk around with a concealed compound bow, like my forefathers before me in Europe.

If it is good enough to take down a buck, then by god, it's good enough to put a hole in some punk trying to steal my wallet.


Done, favorited.
 
2012-08-29 07:18:40 AM

Cinaed: Loaded Six String: ...and being that there is no effective rehabilitation program in place

And whose fault would that be, I wonder?


The creators of our judicial system who based it on puritanical values of punishment rather than rehabilitation?
 
2012-08-29 07:18:56 AM

puffy999: Loaded Six String: Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.

Most robbers, even those who present weapons, don't use them, even when denied the goods for which they asked.


Do you want to be the guy who takes that risk?
 
2012-08-29 07:19:03 AM
Also, I WISH I had bear hands...
 
2012-08-29 07:19:55 AM

Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.


Their weapons have been altered to fire semi only. They are still "deadly assault rifles" though, according the the definition of our wonderful media, and most everybody does have one.

Loaded Six String: Recidivism amongst violent criminals is very high, and being that there is no effective rehabilitation program in place, the only end to recidivism is life imprisonment or death.


Actually, its my understanding that the college eduction programs in prisons were pretty effective at stopping recidivism. Of course they were scrapped as being too costly, even though they stopped the much greater cost of housing inmates.
 
2012-08-29 07:20:03 AM
puffy999: Done, favorited.

I'm serious.

Do you realize how classy awesome it would be to take down a guy with a gun at twenty feet with a broadhead?

If you want to seriously up the ante, put it right between his eyes. That way, when you walk up and jiggle it, hopefully it lands at the right point in the brain that it makes the legs twitch.
 
2012-08-29 07:20:16 AM

Pribar: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.


So you're saying you are against any kind of gun restriction at all?The mentally ill should have access to guns and people with criminal records should have access to guns?

At least until the culture changes?
 
2012-08-29 07:20:18 AM

Bladel: I don't get the headline. The wild & outlandish is the setup, while the normal & banal is the punchline?

Comedy doesn't work that way


(yeah yeah, Welcome to Fark).


This is the equivalent of the cliche of a snooty person with their nose in the air say, "How droll."
 
2012-08-29 07:22:58 AM

Pete_T_Mann: Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

Their weapons have been altered to fire semi only. .....


Well, I see I was beat to it, ignore this part of previous post
 
2012-08-29 07:23:39 AM

BronyMedic: Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

The only people who keep their issue-weapons in their homes are members of the Militia and members of the Swiss regular military, and they have to keep their ammunition and magazines in sealed containers which are regularly inspected by their superiors. That was before 2007, now they aren't allowed to keep the ammunition for those weapons at home, they have to report to an armorer to obtain it.

In addition, after the end of their service period, if they choose to keep their weapon, the rifle has it's select fire action removed, and replaced with a semi-auto version.

Purchases of non-Army firearms are also regulated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Army-issued_ a rms


Actually the sealed ammo was their issued ammo and it was sealed only to make sure that they did not use it for non mil use, and as for the regulated sales I lived there for 7 years and as a resident alien I was issued a weapons acquisition permit (I still have it framed on my I love me wall) and bought a K 31 so I could shoot with the locals who were hosting me, the only difference between their gun laws and ours was the fact it was a bit harder to get a carry permit than it is in the states.


/oh and so far the US govt won't subsidize my ammo like the Swiss does for its citizens.
 
2012-08-29 07:23:47 AM

BronyMedic: Loaded Six String: Taking on a buck with anything without a decent reach and speed is nigh impossible, so meh. Taking down a store clerk with a knife, your neighbor with a rock, or your spouse with your bear hands is not so impossible, so if the root cause leading to these acts of violence is not removed, the violence will still occur with or without a firearm, with surprisingly similar end results.

I demand the right, in that case, to walk around with a concealed compound bow, like my forefathers before me in Europe.

If it is good enough to take down a buck, then by god, it's good enough to put a hole in some punk trying to steal my wallet.


While I find the idea of concealing a compound bow humorous, it's not really outlandish. The 2nd Amendment applies to arms, not firearms specifically. Other hand carried weapons just haven't made it into the Supreme Court yet. There is honestly no rational reason not to allow you to carry a bow, hatchet, flail, sword, cudgel, etc. The only thing stopping a person from doing so is the laws currently in place not having been contested yet, and the fear of other people around you. The ubiquitous use of the pharase "armed and dangerous" has precluded from the minds of many in the public the possibility for someone to just be "armed".
 
2012-08-29 07:23:51 AM
fisker You can kill people for robbing a store?

A smart person would ask:

"If I try to rob a store with a weapon,can I get my ass killed?"

....this is THE question every single criminal is NOW asking in the neighborhood of that Dollar General.


Thanks JRoo for that utterly tired,overused and misleading piece of "statistical" BS
The USA has the largest population of those nations listed and over 60% of the "gun-killings" are suicide.

....also,after having seen the FREAKONOMICS documentary,I seriously question the number of "reported killings" in Japan.
 
2012-08-29 07:24:00 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: Do you want to be the guy who takes that risk?


Asking someone who's a good shot at a moving target, but someone who understands people and stats to a degree... yes. I will.

YMMV.

Of course, do people realize anymore that there are methods of defense other than guns?
 
2012-08-29 07:24:51 AM
Both the robbers were armed.

http://m.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-08-28/story/customer-kills- g unman-during-jacksonville-robbery-attempt
 
2012-08-29 07:26:14 AM

Pete_T_Mann: Actually, its my understanding that the college eduction programs in prisons were pretty effective at stopping recidivism. Of course they were scrapped as being too costly, even though they stopped the much greater cost of housing inmates.


The modern prison system, in and of itself, causes recidivism. It makes some non-violent drug offenders into violent offenders, though not routinely.
 
2012-08-29 07:26:54 AM

Quasar: This automatically means Charleton Heston is president and we're moving to the gold standard.


Thank you! Usually this moronic meme is a headline and I have no idea who has foisted their unfunny, unimaginative and repetitive tripe on the rest of us. Kudos on your forthrightness about your lack of a sense of humor!
 
2012-08-29 07:27:20 AM
It always surprises me how people take a single event such as this and starts attaching all kinds of rhetoric to make their point.

It doesn't matter who "wins" in the scenario. It gets twisted regardless.

The customer figuratively has blood on his hands. His own experience is based greatly on how proud or reluctant he was to use his gun to take a life. He could have done nothing and a simple robbery would have been successful. He could have done nothing and a clerk would be dead. He could have simply scared them off with a warning shot. He could have gotten himself shot protecting a dollar store. He could have... He could have...

The rambling point I'm trying to make is that it seems obnoxious to make a bold stand on this story because because it could easily happen differently and work against you making your point.
 
2012-08-29 07:29:18 AM

Rufus Lee King: Jesus tap-dancing Christ. Where but on FARK could you find people chiming in to defend armed robbery?


Someone did that?
 
2012-08-29 07:29:37 AM

Pete_T_Mann: Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

Their weapons have been altered to fire semi only. They are still "deadly assault rifles" though, according the the definition of our wonderful media, and most everybody does have one.

Loaded Six String: Recidivism amongst violent criminals is very high, and being that there is no effective rehabilitation program in place, the only end to recidivism is life imprisonment or death.

Actually, its my understanding that the college eduction programs in prisons were pretty effective at stopping recidivism. Of course they were scrapped as being too costly, even though they stopped the much greater cost of housing inmates.




Incorrect, the weapons I referred to is their issued weapon, every male who is physically and mentally fit and is between the ages of 20 and 30 is part of the militia and is issued with a Sig 550 that they keep at home while they are in the militia, it is a true assault weapon, when they leave military service they can keep the rifle but it has the select fire option removed
 
2012-08-29 07:30:04 AM
I used to live down the street form this guy who thought he was a cop.

He pimped out his car, walked around in clothing VERY similar to an officers uniform, but was not an officer of the law.

I know of other people that sit around on their computers all day on facebook's missing person's cause and community sites that pretend like they are solving cases, scolding family and friends and local police for not doing their jobs and or exercising their moral responsibilities.

All we need now is these same types of people walking around in stores not even shopping but armed waiting for what ever they believe to be a potential problem.
 
2012-08-29 07:30:08 AM

Cinaed: Loaded Six String: ...and being that there is no effective rehabilitation program in place

And whose fault would that be, I wonder?


The guy who chose to rob a convenience store had to be dealt with by the customers and staff.
"Fixing the prison system" was not an option presented to the shooter.
 
2012-08-29 07:30:12 AM
Rufus Lee King: Jesus tap-dancing Christ. Where but on FARK could you find people chiming in to defend armed robbery?

I don't think anyone has done that.

I think people are trying to make a misguided attempt to say that the guy could have done anything but shoot and kill someone. Some people like to live in a fairy tale land where the Disney Villains surrender to the Prince when he draws his sword.
 
2012-08-29 07:30:45 AM
wwwdelivery.superstock.com 

How many times does the latter actually happen vs the former.
 
2012-08-29 07:31:16 AM

PreMortem: violentsalvation: themeaningoflifeisnot: Dd either of the robbers display a firearm? The article doesn't mention anything about that.

So if they didn't, they are proving that a firearm is not needed to commit a violent felony, just as gun rights advocates have been saying all along. It is bad people, not bad guns. Thank you for you contribution and failed attempt at a talking point.

Outstanding, I can satisfy my bloodthirst by waiting in convenience stores in seedy neighborhoods. Just wait for someone to try and rob it with a milk crate.


So, when faced with a situation where lives could be in danger, including your own, you find it incumbent upon yourself to make sure its a fair fight?
 
2012-08-29 07:31:26 AM
Thank god he was there to kill someone so some corporation saved the $50 they had in the register.
 
2012-08-29 07:31:57 AM

JRoo: Pribar: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

So you're saying you are against any kind of gun restriction at all?The mentally ill should have access to guns and people with criminal records should have access to guns?

At least until the culture changes?


The restrictions currently in place are measures to reduce the ease of acquirement by persons agreed by societal norms to be untrustworthy or unsafe to the public at large to own firearms. Additional restrictions often proposed are either previous restrictions which were shown to have no effect on violent crime whatsoever, or would make the acquirement of firearms by the law abiding public difficult to the point of being out of reach of the lower economic strata, similar to the effects of proposed voter ID laws. Until society or humanity as a whole no longer feels the need to harm one another out of fear, desperation, or rage it is an increasingly bad idea to either remove all restrictions, or attempt to disarm the public.
 
2012-08-29 07:31:59 AM
andersoncouncil42: [wwwdelivery.superstock.com image 233x350] 

How many times does the latter actually happen vs the former.


What does someone using a concealed weapon lawfully have to do with a bunch of guys repairing an electrical pole?

Are you saying they should shoot the insulators and expect it to work?
 
2012-08-29 07:32:46 AM

BronyMedic: andersoncouncil42: [wwwdelivery.superstock.com image 233x350] 

How many times does the latter actually happen vs the former.

What does someone using a concealed weapon lawfully have to do with a bunch of guys repairing an electrical pole?

Are you saying they should shoot the insulators and expect it to work?


Cherry picking data
 
2012-08-29 07:35:33 AM

Pribar: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.


swiss resident here.

this is exaggerated. not everyone here is armed. if youre still in the service age you have your weapon at home but youre not allowed to touch your ammo or have much of it. if youre no longer in the service you can keep your weapon but it gets cut to semiauto.

gun demographics split sorta like the US does; more popular in the rural than in urban areas. most of the swiss i know cant WAIT to get rid of their guns when thye turn 30 and get out of the service. The gun culture in the US is much more "gung ho". Its more regarded here as a duty to be grimly done than something people are getting worked up about and joining the nra over. granted that segment does exist here too but its much larger in the US.

my perspective on it is admittedly skewed from living in zurich and luzern which are urban and progressive and not conservative.

however, i really wish the NRA and the politically active pro gun guys would quit using Switzerland as a model of why everyone in the US should be able to get a sturmgewehr. The reaons switzerland is has so little crime isnt because theyre armed to the teeth; the way the swiss are obliged to store their firearms its not a deterrrent to B&E, rather, Switzerland has so little crime because it has it has a number of very comprehensive safety nets which these same people would call "socialism".

mandatory health insurance purchase
good job security
generous vacation for full time workers
paid maternity leave
80% of your salary for up to 2 years if youre unemployed

id say its reasons like this that people arent snapping and going postal and killing people like you hear about people in the US doing when "they wouldnt give me my unemployment check" or "i lost my house when my wife got sick" or whatever.

that being said, cant wait till i can get a stgw57, theyre only a few hundred bucks here.
 
2012-08-29 07:35:53 AM
andersoncouncil42: BronyMedic: andersoncouncil42: [wwwdelivery.superstock.com image 233x350] 

How many times does the latter actually happen vs the former.

What does someone using a concealed weapon lawfully have to do with a bunch of guys repairing an electrical pole?

Are you saying they should shoot the insulators and expect it to work?

Cherry picking data


My idea was funnier. :(
 
2012-08-29 07:37:06 AM
Quatchi is the first Farkonian to show any intelligence in this thread.

you dont shoot unarmed people. you use reasonable force. you warn before firing. yeah, these are 'disadvantages' to our police and citizenry against criminals, but zomg it perpetuates something called 'civilized society'.

Boo for just shooting anyone dead for any crime. Fark that. not cool. Guess what, pulling a gun and a loud voice on someone without a gun coulda handled that situation fine. Now some mom is crying someonwhere cuz her kid robbed a dollar store like a dummy and died.

Seriously, you ppl know jack shiat about the offenders. What if he was robbing the store to buy some formula for his kids? Unlikely, but YOU DONT know. Shame on you people whose first instinct is to cheer this crap on.

Real ballz is being the 'good guy' and doing all the stuff the good guys do.
 
2012-08-29 07:37:27 AM

elguerodiablo: Thank god he was there to kill someone so some corporation saved the $50 they had in the register.


Counterpoint: Homicide is immoral, but can be ethical. This is not marginalizing the life of another, but understanding the human condition as it is now.
 
2012-08-29 07:37:43 AM
Lot of guys with really small genitalia in this thread.

Which one of you underendowed losers is really George ZImmerman?
 
2012-08-29 07:37:51 AM

Pribar: BronyMedic: Pribar: I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

The only people who keep their issue-weapons in their homes are members of the Militia and members of the Swiss regular military, and they have to keep their ammunition and magazines in sealed containers which are regularly inspected by their superiors. That was before 2007, now they aren't allowed to keep the ammunition for those weapons at home, they have to report to an armorer to obtain it.

In addition, after the end of their service period, if they choose to keep their weapon, the rifle has it's select fire action removed, and replaced with a semi-auto version.

Purchases of non-Army firearms are also regulated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Army-issued_ a rms

Actually the sealed ammo was their issued ammo and it was sealed only to make sure that they did not use it for non mil use, and as for the regulated sales I lived there for 7 years and as a resident alien I was issued a weapons acquisition permit (I still have it framed on my I love me wall) and bought a K 31 so I could shoot with the locals who were hosting me, the only difference between their gun laws and ours was the fact it was a bit harder to get a carry permit than it is in the states.


/oh and so far the US govt won't subsidize my ammo like the Swiss does for its citizens.


you were "issued" a Waffenschein?

ive never heard of that, you have to apply for one and only permanent residents or passholders may get one. did you marry a swiss?
 
2012-08-29 07:38:18 AM

Pete_T_Mann: Actually, its my understanding that the college eduction programs in prisons were pretty effective at stopping recidivism. Of course they were scrapped as being too costly, even though they stopped the much greater cost of housing inmates.


That kind of sh*t pisses me off to no end
 
2012-08-29 07:38:25 AM

BronyMedic: Some people like to live in a fairy tale land where the Disney Villains surrender to the Prince when he draws his sword.


That kind of thinking is a part of the reason why some police departments in this country have a "shoot first, second, third, and ask questions when someone is dead" policy.

BronyMedic: I think people are trying to make a misguided attempt to say that the guy could have done anything but shoot and kill someone.


It's not really fair for anyone to judge this person, because we weren't there.
 
2012-08-29 07:38:59 AM

Father_Jack: The reaons switzerland is has so little crime isnt because theyre armed to the teeth; the way the swiss are obliged to store their firearms its not a deterrrent to B&E, rather, Switzerland has so little crime because it has it has a number of very comprehensive safety nets which these same people would call "socialism".


It's a part of the NRA argument.
Fix all these other things and the crime problem goes away.
We can have our cake and eat it too or we can try to get rid of the guns, and probably fail, while fixing nothing.
 
2012-08-29 07:41:08 AM
so this dirty harry wannabee decides that a human life is cheaper than the contents of the till at Dollar General.
What's heroic about that; if anything
 
2012-08-29 07:41:26 AM

craigdamage: fisker You can kill people for robbing a store?

A smart person would ask:

"If I try to rob a store with a weapon,can I get my ass killed?"

....this is THE question every single criminal is NOW asking in the neighborhood of that Dollar General.


I agree, there are better ways to rob people.

What the fark are you talking about? Why aren't the employees of that store armed? Why are ALL employees EVERYWHERE armed?
 
2012-08-29 07:41:49 AM

spamdog: themeaningoflifeisnot: Dd either of the robbers display a firearm? The article doesn't mention anything about that.

Two unidentified men entered the store about 9:20 p.m., both with handguns


Okay. Old guy gets a pat on the head. His action, while risky, was justifiable.
 
2012-08-29 07:42:33 AM

elguerodiablo: Thank god he was there to kill someone so some corporation saved the $50 they had in the register.


....or, you know, the life of the clerk.

notsureifseriousorjustmildlyretarded.jpg
 
2012-08-29 07:42:35 AM

Axias: Quatchi is the first Farkonian to show any intelligence in this thread.

you dont shoot unarmed people. you use reasonable force. you warn before firing. yeah, these are 'disadvantages' to our police and citizenry against criminals, but zomg it perpetuates something called 'civilized society'.

Boo for just shooting anyone dead for any crime. Fark that. not cool. Guess what, pulling a gun and a loud voice on someone without a gun coulda handled that situation fine. Now some mom is crying someonwhere cuz her kid robbed a dollar store like a dummy and died.

Seriously, you ppl know jack shiat about the offenders. What if he was robbing the store to buy some formula for his kids? Unlikely, but YOU DONT know. Shame on you people whose first instinct is to cheer this crap on.

Real ballz is being the 'good guy' and doing all the stuff the good guys do.


Civilised society doesn't commit armed robbery. The use of deadly force in a situation not deemed a "forcible fealony" i.e. rape, assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, carries stiff penalties when the justice system works as intended. "Real ballz" is choosing an option other than armed robbery to feed your children, even if it means allowing yourself to starve so they may live.
 
2012-08-29 07:42:45 AM

Father_Jack: Pribar: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I love how your graphic lists Switzerland, where basically every male between the ages of 20 and 30 has a real honest to God assault rifle (with select fire) at home and gun ownership is pretty much on par with the US, showing its the culture not the guns, but lets go on trying to regulate the guns, not change the culture.

swiss resident here.

Snip

..


cut your rambling knee jerk post down so I could reply without the wall of text that said the same thing I did but in many many more words Its the culture not the guns read before your knee goes all jerky next time Padre, ok?
 
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