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2012-08-29 08:23:26 AM
Does that mean some underpaid shiathead is going to trail about ten steps behind me while I try to look at ipods?

if so, they can farking keep it.
 
2012-08-29 08:31:21 AM
Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. It probably will be out of business within 10 years.
 
2012-08-29 08:50:00 AM
Apple have managed a fantastic feat of marketing over the last decade. They have managed to become the giant corporation, that has quite literally one million Chinese workers assembling its products, while still keeping its image as the cool hip underdog sticking it to 'the Man'. People happily pay a huge premium to buy an Apple product when there are better products selling for far less. The Apple Store experience was one of the reasons for this, Apple fans could hang out and reassure themselves that they were 'not like other companies'. If this ex Dixons guy (and UK Farkers will know all about Dixons/Currys/PC World....) turns the store into just another Best Buy/Radio Shack clone then that image will take a dent.

The Apple Store business is a relatively minor part of Apple. For the sake of squeezing a little bit more profit out of it they might just damage the whole company and lose far more.
 
2012-08-29 09:21:07 AM
So now I'm twice as unlikely to walk into an Apple store, but two multiplied by zero is still zero.
 
2012-08-29 09:27:44 AM

spelletrader: So now I'm twice as unlikely to walk into an Apple store, but two multiplied by zero is still zero.


Apple stores are GREAT if you just need a few minutes of Web time to check weather, maps, email, or whatever. I just wish they served drinks.
 
2012-08-29 09:27:57 AM
Since a HUGE portion of the value the Apple Stores provide is as ADVERTISEMENT, I don't understand how the company can't understand that keeping the aesthetic pure and reflecting the overall Apple company feel is more important than squeezing an extra % out of it.
 
2012-08-29 09:45:33 AM

macdaddy357: Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. It probably will be out of business within 10 years.


I always saw him as the autistic lunatic holding back the retarded avaricious jackals. We'll see I guess.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:50 AM
But Best Buy has already patented the bad consumer experience.
 
2012-08-29 10:19:53 AM
Specialist performance will now be directly measured in part by how many accessories they can sell with each hardware item sold.

One would have to be the biggest dumbass on the planet to buy accessories there.

I find it amusing that Best Buy is trying to copy Apple, and now Apple seems to be trying to copy Best Buy. The problem here is that as much as I hate Apple products and their overbearing and anti-competitive legal behavior, I do admire and appreciate the vision they had with their stores, and the benefit they provided to novice computer consumers. Why would the fark that up?
 
2012-08-29 10:21:47 AM

ChrisDe: But Best Buy has already patented the bad consumer experience.


"Can I help you?"
"Go away. I'll beckon you when I need to demand a discount."

Usually works. Be a bit more polite than that though. Research what you want to look at, and the important features, before you set foot in the store.
 
2012-08-29 10:38:57 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Specialist performance will now be directly measured in part by how many accessories they can sell with each hardware item sold.

One would have to be the biggest dumbass on the planet to buy accessories there.

I find it amusing that Best Buy is trying to copy Apple, and now Apple seems to be trying to copy Best Buy. The problem here is that as much as I hate Apple products and their overbearing and anti-competitive legal behavior, I do admire and appreciate the vision they had with their stores, and the benefit they provided to novice computer consumers. Why would the fark that up?


When the iPhone 5 comes out they'll at least be able to sell a shiatload of adapters to let everyone who buys one use it with their docking stations, Bose Sounddocks etc that were built for every iPod, iPhone up to now. If they make an adapter that is. Maybe they'll just hope everyone buys a new Sounddock?
 
2012-08-29 10:42:36 AM
I've never been to an apple store, but I hit a sprint store yesterday and it was so bad I didn't buy anything. They had a greeter who signed me in, but couldn't sell me the cable I wanted.
They had someone come up to try to sell me a phone upgrade, but couldn't actually sell me an item, just talk it up while I waited for in line for the representative who can actually take my money.
Then I notice four people sitting in the corner in chairs reading magazines like a farking doctor's office.

I left, and will never return.
 
2012-08-29 10:47:38 AM

Smackledorfer: I've never been to an apple store, but I hit a sprint store yesterday and it was so bad I didn't buy anything. They had a greeter who signed me in, but couldn't sell me the cable I wanted.
They had someone come up to try to sell me a phone upgrade, but couldn't actually sell me an item, just talk it up while I waited for in line for the representative who can actually take my money.
Then I notice four people sitting in the corner in chairs reading magazines like a farking doctor's office.

I left, and will never return.


Sprint stores make no effort to be like Apple stores, to my knowledge. I don't even think that guy was a greeter. Typically that person just coordinates people who need something at the main counter. They're not trying to be what you envision. It's just a crappy cell phone store like every cell phone store.
 
2012-08-29 10:55:17 AM
I intensely dislike going to Apple store for the fact if it's busy (which the one near me always is) it's difficult to get someone to ring my purchase up. But ever since they gave the Apple Store app the functionality to walk into a store, pay for your purchase on your phone, and walk out without having to talk to a single person I like it a lot better.
 
2012-08-29 11:17:02 AM
At Best Buy I particularly enjoy walking through the CD section and staring at all the music I won't buy, then walking over to the software section and admiring all the hundreds of Sims expansions I'll never bother to play, then cutting through the cell phone and camera section and taking a note of all the accessories for crap I'll never purchase, try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase, wander past the laptop sections and smile as the retired people crowd around gigantic HP laptops as high school kids in blue shirts convince them that they'll never get malware on them, walk through the empty aisles of computer accessories such as USB steering wheels and USB joysticks nobody will purchase, mosey on past the flatscreen TV section to gawk at the gimmicky 3D TVs I'll never want even though one blue shirt is now following me asking if he can help me. I'll then say no thanks and escape to the XBOX/PS3/Wii row and hide among the crowd of 30 year old man-boys who are playing the latest Call of Duty in the store as the 12 year olds silently watch, one the blue shirt passes I'll walk back out and over to the car stereo section and start pressing buttons on stereos and subs I'll never bother to put in any vehicle I own, chuckle at the expensive cables on the corner there, take one pass through the washer and dryer section only because it's a ritual you're supposed to do as you head over to the checkout lane and make a break for the door before one of the blue shirts try to sell me a warranty for my pocket lint and escape when the security blue shirt at the front door says have a nice day sir.

If Apple can recreate that experience in their stores I think they will do well.
 
2012-08-29 11:18:06 AM
I went to an Apple store once. It was annoying and over priced. I really don't get it. Maybe because I'm Canadian. They're just different brands of electronics.

'Genius' is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of.

However they got marketing, and customer service right. And if they mess that up, they're stupider than RIM and MySpace and any other tech company that has failed.
 
2012-08-29 11:20:08 AM

theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy walking through the CD section and staring at all the music I won't buy, then walking over to the software section and admiring all the hundreds of Sims expansions I'll never bother to play, then cutting through the cell phone and camera section and taking a note of all the accessories for crap I'll never purchase, try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase, wander past the laptop sections and smile as the retired people crowd around gigantic HP laptops as high school kids in blue shirts convince them that they'll never get malware on them, walk through the empty aisles of computer accessories such as USB steering wheels and USB joysticks nobody will purchase, mosey on past the flatscreen TV section to gawk at the gimmicky 3D TVs I'll never want even though one blue shirt is now following me asking if he can help me. I'll then say no thanks and escape to the XBOX/PS3/Wii row and hide among the crowd of 30 year old man-boys who are playing the latest Call of Duty in the store as the 12 year olds silently watch, one the blue shirt passes I'll walk back out and over to the car stereo section and start pressing buttons on stereos and subs I'll never bother to put in any vehicle I own, chuckle at the expensive cables on the corner there, take one pass through the washer and dryer section only because it's a ritual you're supposed to do as you head over to the checkout lane and make a break for the door before one of the blue shirts try to sell me a warranty for my pocket lint and escape when the security blue shirt at the front door says have a nice day sir.

If Apple can recreate that experience in their stores I think they will do well.


Ok I want you to know I'm sitting here laughing out loud. Like actually out loud.
Partly because it's funny, and partly because that's the EXACT SAME THING I DO. Seriously, the exact same experience every time I decide to walk into one.
 
2012-08-29 11:21:53 AM
I went in one not long ago to check out the new ipads and notebooks with super high res screens. The sales dude asks if I need any help, and when I say no he goes "oh, just playing around? that's fine." Nice attitude, buddy.

Smackledorfer: I left, and will never return.


Yeah, most cell phone stores of any brand are awful. A lot of them don't even have working phones anymore, they just have glossy cardboard pictures of what your phone's screen will look like. It's insane that people would buy based on that shiat.

Oh, and forget going to the store for help with a technical issue after purchase. All that will happen is an incompetent boob will call another incompetent boob and then they will mash their boobs together. But they're gross middle-aged man boobs so it's not hawt at all.
 
2012-08-29 11:22:01 AM
Well, to be fair, it is like if Best Buy only carried one product.
 
2012-08-29 11:23:05 AM

Smackledorfer: I've never been to an apple store, but I hit a sprint store yesterday and it was so bad I didn't buy anything. They had a greeter who signed me in, but couldn't sell me the cable I wanted.
They had someone come up to try to sell me a phone upgrade, but couldn't actually sell me an item, just talk it up while I waited for in line for the representative who can actually take my money.
Then I notice four people sitting in the corner in chairs reading magazines like a farking doctor's office.

I left, and will never return.


There's a Sprint store next to the grocery I shop at. It's one of the non-franchise corporate stores and no matter the time of day the place is batshiat insanely busy. Things are so bad I always see two security guards working in there.
 
2012-08-29 11:29:13 AM

SpectroBoy: spelletrader: So now I'm twice as unlikely to walk into an Apple store, but two multiplied by zero is still zero.

Apple stores are GREAT if you just need a few minutes of Web time to check weather, maps, email, or whatever. I just wish they served drinks.


I just wish they served apples. Then I might actually walk into the store on purpose. I love a crisp Braeburn or Gala apple. McIntosh would be appropriate to stock, of course, but I don't prefer its texture and flavor as much. Still better than Red Delicious which, while red, is anything but delicious.
 
2012-08-29 11:40:15 AM

cefm: Since a HUGE portion of the value the Apple Stores provide is as ADVERTISEMENT, I don't understand how the company can't understand that keeping the aesthetic pure and reflecting the overall Apple company feel is more important than squeezing an extra % out of it.


Exactly, the value of the Apple Store is as an advertisement and as a place to get warranty work done. A lot of sales have likely come from some guy dicking around on an iPad while his wife and daughter were over at some clothing store. Then a couple days later he logs onto apple.com and orders it.

If anything more demos and the like. Keep some units in the backroom for those that absolutely must have it now, but focus more on getting the idea in peoples head so they buy one later.
 
2012-08-29 11:44:56 AM

theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase,.

I'm still shocked at the number of people I see wearing Beats by Dre headphones. Not trying to go all "be at the gym in 26 minutes": but I've been at the back of the cardio section and almost half the people on the machines are wearing "Beats" headphones.

 
2012-08-29 11:46:00 AM

ha-ha-guy: cefm: Since a HUGE portion of the value the Apple Stores provide is as ADVERTISEMENT, I don't understand how the company can't understand that keeping the aesthetic pure and reflecting the overall Apple company feel is more important than squeezing an extra % out of it.

Exactly, the value of the Apple Store is as an advertisement and as a place to get warranty work done. A lot of sales have likely come from some guy dicking around on an iPad while his wife and daughter were over at some clothing store. Then a couple days later he logs onto apple.com and orders it.

If anything more demos and the like. Keep some units in the backroom for those that absolutely must have it now, but focus more on getting the idea in peoples head so they buy one later.


Exactly. It's like a CEO demanding that their sponsorship deal on a NASCAR becomes more profitable. No, dummy, the sponsorship isn't supposed to make a profit, it's supposed to promote your brand and help your entire brand make more profit.

Turn the Apple Stores into just another Best Buy/Radio Shack store and people will start to see Apple as just another manufacturer. Once they start doing that, and actually buying phones by looking at specs and performance, Apple is screwed.
 
2012-08-29 11:48:11 AM

mjohnson71: theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase,.

I'm still shocked at the number of people I see wearing Beats by Dre headphones. Not trying to go all "be at the gym in 26 minutes": but I've been at the back of the cardio section and almost half the people on the machines are wearing "Beats" headphones.


I got a set of Beats Audio with my HTC One X.

The phone is great. The headphones are crap.

/Sennheiser FTW!
 
2012-08-29 11:53:34 AM

Flint Ironstag: mjohnson71: theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase,.

I'm still shocked at the number of people I see wearing Beats by Dre headphones. Not trying to go all "be at the gym in 26 minutes": but I've been at the back of the cardio section and almost half the people on the machines are wearing "Beats" headphones.

I got a set of Beats Audio with my HTC One X.

The phone is great. The headphones are crap.

/Sennheiser FTW!


When I saw that Monster made "Beats" stuff I laughed out loud. There are tons of sheep paying $300.

/If there's anything worse than Bose, "Beats" is it.
 
2012-08-29 11:58:46 AM

ha-ha-guy: A lot of sales have likely come from some guy dicking around on an iPad while his wife and daughter were over at some clothing store. Then a couple days later he logs onto apple.com and orders it.


I think that's part of the problem. Cook and co don't realize how much of their Internet sales come from someone who wandered into the store, spent some time playing with the products and asking questions of the blue-shirts, and then went home and thought it over for a day or two. They then pop onto apple.com, look at the various options for whatever they're interested in, and then finally give in and order the thing.
 
2012-08-29 12:10:06 PM
As I think about it, this is kind of a troubling sign. Assuming of course this article isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. Apple's strength is their unified design experience. They deliver hardware, software, and user experience in one package. You may not like Apple's vision, but you have to admit it is unified. Thus they excel in a market by providing a unified experience when the market is fragmented. However sooner or later everyone gets their shiat together and out competes Apple.

We saw it in the PC market where you had MS and hardware manufacturers jointly out compete Apple. Those pre x86 Macs were pathetic jokes near the end. G5 chip or whatever.

We're starting to see it in the phone market, where Google and manufacturers are moving many more units than Apple. Apple of course retains a solid marketshare and I think the iPhone will always move units, but they're not a juggernaut in that market like they where circa the time of the iPhone 3G release. They're a big gorilla, but not the the 800 pound one.

Tablets are likely next. You can see Google refining Android to be more tablet friendly and Samsung has the hardware out. MS is also sniffing around that market and I hear rumors. HTC is getting in on the 7" tablet market.

Basically Apple gets pulled down a swarm of other predators sooner or later, no matter how strong they come out of the gate.

The issue I see with scaling back on the stores, is that is killing a big part of the user experience. When the iPad came out a lot of people did laugh at it and go "what will you do with that half assed little thing?". As it turns out you could do a lot and Apple moved units. I'd argue a big part of them moving units was the fact they had lots of attractive stores that people wanted to go into. So it was easy to get them in and then get them to play with an iPad or see a demo. In turn that made people realize "Wait, I do want this." If turn your stores into dingy little shiatholes, good luck luring consumers in to try out your new product. Apple is the kind of company that can't survive long term against commodity manufacturers, after Apple lost the PC war it was regulated to being a niche computer maker for graphic artists types, so it needs to be moving forward and defining new markets. shiatty costumer outreach reduces your ability to define those markets.

Basically if you're the kind of company that just sells to known markets, say HTC, you don't need stores. People know they want a tablet. You just need to make sure your model gets a 5* review and then go sell it on Amazon. When you're a company like Apple whose greatest success comes from defining a market, you need the store to reach out to customers.
 
2012-08-29 12:25:22 PM

ha-ha-guy: When the iPad came out a lot of people did laugh at it and go "what will you do with that half assed little thing?". As it turns out you could do a lot and Apple moved units.


Do a lot? No, the iPad is a gimmick, and continues to be one. And the whole world will laugh at the idiots who buy this iPad "mini" (in other words, an iPod touch). Well half the world. The other half will fork over cash for it.

/just because it's a gimmick doesn't mean it doesn't make money
 
2012-08-29 12:32:26 PM

Flint Ironstag: Apple have managed a fantastic feat of marketing over the last decade. They have managed to become the giant corporation, that has quite literally one million Chinese workers assembling its products, while still keeping its image as the cool hip underdog sticking it to 'the Man'. People happily pay a huge premium to buy an Apple product when there are better products selling for far less. The Apple Store experience was one of the reasons for this, Apple fans could hang out and reassure themselves that they were 'not like other companies'. If this ex Dixons guy (and UK Farkers will know all about Dixons/Currys/PC World....) turns the store into just another Best Buy/Radio Shack clone then that image will take a dent.

The Apple Store business is a relatively minor part of Apple. For the sake of squeezing a little bit more profit out of it they might just damage the whole company and lose far more.


It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.
 
2012-08-29 12:37:30 PM

Nemo's Brother: .

It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.


If it boosts stock prices and he gets a bonus for the next 4 to 5 years, he can move on to the next venture before everything falls apart. Most likely this guy is only concerned about his cut, who give a fark about the long term outlook for a company you will not be at?
 
2012-08-29 12:38:02 PM

theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy walking through the CD section and staring at all the music I won't buy, then walking over to the software section and admiring all the hundreds of Sims expansions I'll never bother to play, then cutting through the cell phone and camera section and taking a note of all the accessories for crap I'll never purchase, try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase, wander past the laptop sections and smile as the retired people crowd around gigantic HP laptops as high school kids in blue shirts convince them that they'll never get malware on them, walk through the empty aisles of computer accessories such as USB steering wheels and USB joysticks nobody will purchase, mosey on past the flatscreen TV section to gawk at the gimmicky 3D TVs I'll never want even though one blue shirt is now following me asking if he can help me. I'll then say no thanks and escape to the XBOX/PS3/Wii row and hide among the crowd of 30 year old man-boys who are playing the latest Call of Duty in the store as the 12 year olds silently watch, one the blue shirt passes I'll walk back out and over to the car stereo section and start pressing buttons on stereos and subs I'll never bother to put in any vehicle I own, chuckle at the expensive cables on the corner there, take one pass through the washer and dryer section only because it's a ritual you're supposed to do as you head over to the checkout lane and make a break for the door before one of the blue shirts try to sell me a warranty for my pocket lint and escape when the security blue shirt at the front door says have a nice day sir.

If Apple can recreate that experience in their stores I think they will do well.


This right here. Wow.
 
2012-08-29 12:40:40 PM

Nemo's Brother: Flint Ironstag: Apple have managed a fantastic feat of marketing over the last decade. They have managed to become the giant corporation, that has quite literally one million Chinese workers assembling its products, while still keeping its image as the cool hip underdog sticking it to 'the Man'. People happily pay a huge premium to buy an Apple product when there are better products selling for far less. The Apple Store experience was one of the reasons for this, Apple fans could hang out and reassure themselves that they were 'not like other companies'. If this ex Dixons guy (and UK Farkers will know all about Dixons/Currys/PC World....) turns the store into just another Best Buy/Radio Shack clone then that image will take a dent.

The Apple Store business is a relatively minor part of Apple. For the sake of squeezing a little bit more profit out of it they might just damage the whole company and lose far more.

It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.


That's the thing about Apple. Why can't they be good instead of evil? Why don't they forgo some of those record profits and sitting on their absolutely huge pile of cash with nowhere to go and bring some of those jobs back to America? Why do they have to be literally shamed into providing acceptable working conditions for their slave workers over and over and over? How to they manage to maintain their cool image in the face of all that? That's why I hesitate to buy Apple products. Bring those jobs back, make some real PR gains with that, sell a lot of computers, that is what they should do.
 
2012-08-29 12:40:57 PM

sure haven't: ha-ha-guy: When the iPad came out a lot of people did laugh at it and go "what will you do with that half assed little thing?". As it turns out you could do a lot and Apple moved units.

Do a lot? No, the iPad is a gimmick, and continues to be one. And the whole world will laugh at the idiots who buy this iPad "mini" (in other words, an iPod touch). Well half the world. The other half will fork over cash for it.

/just because it's a gimmick doesn't mean it doesn't make money


Everyone I know who has one has been disappointed in some way. Not saying it isn't their own fault for not learning about what a big purchase like that was good for, but rather I'm pointing to that as evidence that they moved a lot of units not by the value of their product but rather the perception.
 
2012-08-29 12:50:41 PM

wingnut396: Nemo's Brother: .

It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.

If it boosts stock prices and he gets a bonus for the next 4 to 5 years, he can move on to the next venture before everything falls apart. Most likely this guy is only concerned about his cut, who give a fark about the long term outlook for a company you will not be at?


Last year Cook was given shares worth $600million that he can't sell until 2021. He should be very concerned how they do until then at least!
 
2012-08-29 12:54:39 PM

Flint Ironstag: wingnut396: Nemo's Brother: .

It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.

If it boosts stock prices and he gets a bonus for the next 4 to 5 years, he can move on to the next venture before everything falls apart. Most likely this guy is only concerned about his cut, who give a fark about the long term outlook for a company you will not be at?

Last year Cook was given shares worth $600million that he can't sell until 2021. He should be very concerned how they do until then at least!


That just makes them focus entirely on their stock price. Fire some workers, ship some more jobs to China, don't spend that cash reserve, keep that dividend up so the stock price holds. Might be good for their stock price, but it does not help our economy.
 
2012-08-29 01:01:38 PM
When I go into my local Apple store in Durham, NC, it's so freaking packed with people that it seems more like an ant farm with unhelpful employees. If it was physically twice as big, there'd be some room to breathe, but I just buy everything some other place to avoid the mass hysteria.
 
2012-08-29 01:03:30 PM

Smackledorfer: they moved a lot of units not by the value of their product but rather the perception.


Man that's a fantastic phrase. Sums it up perfectly.

...I'm stealing it
 
2012-08-29 01:08:38 PM

Joe_diGriz: ha-ha-guy: A lot of sales have likely come from some guy dicking around on an iPad while his wife and daughter were over at some clothing store. Then a couple days later he logs onto apple.com and orders it.

I think that's part of the problem. Cook and co don't realize how much of their Internet sales come from someone who wandered into the store, spent some time playing with the products and asking questions of the blue-shirts, and then went home and thought it over for a day or two. They then pop onto apple.com, look at the various options for whatever they're interested in, and then finally give in and order the thing.


I believe it was in Walter Isaacson's Jobs biography where I read the reason they gave for starting the retail stores was so people who were unfamiliar with Mac computers would be able to actually see them in person and try them out for themselves since (at the time) places like Best Buy, Fry's, Sears, Walmart and anywhere else that sold Dells and HPs rarely carried anything Apple. The idea was to get the brand and the experience out there, the sale was a sale regardless if it came through at the retail store or through web store.
 
2012-08-29 01:13:11 PM

ha-ha-guy: cefm: Since a HUGE portion of the value the Apple Stores provide is as ADVERTISEMENT, I don't understand how the company can't understand that keeping the aesthetic pure and reflecting the overall Apple company feel is more important than squeezing an extra % out of it.

Exactly, the value of the Apple Store is as an advertisement and as a place to get warranty work done. A lot of sales have likely come from some guy dicking around on an iPad while his wife and daughter were over at some clothing store. Then a couple days later he logs onto apple.com and orders it.

If anything more demos and the like. Keep some units in the backroom for those that absolutely must have it now, but focus more on getting the idea in peoples head so they buy one later.


Well, that and it's basically the highest revenue chain retail store in terms of per square-foot sales.
 
2012-08-29 01:14:34 PM

KarmicDisaster: Flint Ironstag: wingnut396: Nemo's Brother: .

It is amazing how little the so called experts understand outside of the short-sighted pennies they can save.

If it boosts stock prices and he gets a bonus for the next 4 to 5 years, he can move on to the next venture before everything falls apart. Most likely this guy is only concerned about his cut, who give a fark about the long term outlook for a company you will not be at?

Last year Cook was given shares worth $600million that he can't sell until 2021. He should be very concerned how they do until then at least!

That just makes them focus entirely on their stock price. Fire some workers, ship some more jobs to China, don't spend that cash reserve, keep that dividend up so the stock price holds. Might be good for their stock price, but it does not help our economy.


Yeah, you don't have any idea how Apple stock works, do you?
 
2012-08-29 01:22:59 PM

Brah: When I go into my local Apple store in Durham, NC, it's so freaking packed with people that it seems more like an ant farm with unhelpful employees. If it was physically twice as big, there'd be some room to breathe, but I just buy everything some other place to avoid the mass hysteria.


They tripled the size of the Apple store near me and it still didn't help with the crowding. On the back-to-school no sales tax on computer holiday they had to restrict access to the store and put cattle ropes up in the mall walkway to contain all the people lined up to purchase.
 
2012-08-29 01:48:37 PM

macdaddy357: Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. It probably will be out of business within 10 years.


Probably. They need to reanimate him. As big an asshole as he was, he almost always made the right business decisions.


/just finished his bio
/Apple, Next, Pixar for the wins
 
2012-08-29 01:49:26 PM

mjohnson71: Flint Ironstag: mjohnson71: theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... theurge14: At Best Buy I particularly enjoy... try out the ultra expensive Dre Beats headphones that I'll never purchase,.

I'm still shocked at the number of people I see wearing Beats by Dre headphones. Not trying to go all "be at the gym in 26 minutes": but I've been at the back of the cardio section and almost half the people on the machines are wearing "Beats" headphones.

I got a set of Beats Audio with my HTC One X.

The phone is great. The headphones are crap.

/Sennheiser FTW!

When I saw that Monster made "Beats" stuff I laughed out loud. There are tons of sheep paying $300.

/If there's anything worse than Bose, "Beats" is it.


Bose headphones? Yes. But you can have my Bose sound dock and home theater speakers when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
 
2012-08-29 01:51:51 PM

macdaddy357: Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. It probably will be out of business within 10 years.


This. Was never a fan of the guy, but he knew what he was doing.
 
2012-08-29 01:56:17 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But you can have my Bose sound dock and home theater speakers when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

I throw them away because they won't work with the iPhone 5, and presumably the next iPod, because it has a different connector and an adapter would look stupid and stop the dock sliding in and out the way it was designed to. 

And that's if they actually make a adapter. Or charge a fortune for it. Word was any connector or cable would need to have an Apple chip in it and Apple would charge lots of money for them.
 
2012-08-29 02:03:44 PM

lousyskater: macdaddy357: Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. It probably will be out of business within 10 years.

This. Was never a fan of the guy, but he knew what he was doing.


That's the problem with so many companies run by committee. It's better to have one tyrant with a vision who can make decisions in a heartbeat than a committee that takes months and then just comes up with a compromise. I was telling someone a few days ago about reading a book about the founding of CNN. Ted Turner was interviewing a guy for a very senior position at CNN in the run up to starting broadcasting. The guy asked Turner what tape decks he'd ordered. Turner said "We've ordered fifty 3/4 inch decks and 25 1/2 inch". The guy being interviewed said "Well, these days the 1/4 inch decks do the job so I'd have bought 25 1/2 inch and 50 1/4 inch" (or whatever. I'm quoting from memory here)
Turner said "Really?" and picked up his phone and called a guy. "Fred! Cancel those tape decks! I want 25 1/2 inch and 50 1/4 inch! Great!" and hung up.

The guy being interviewed realised that decision would have taken six months, if it could be taken at all, at the network where he worked, so he took the job.
 
2012-08-29 02:03:54 PM

Flint Ironstag: Representative of the unwashed masses: But you can have my Bose sound dock and home theater speakers when you pry them from my cold dead hands. I throw them away because they won't work with the iPhone 5, and presumably the next iPod, because it has a different connector and an adapter would look stupid and stop the dock sliding in and out the way it was designed to. 

And that's if they actually make a adapter. Or charge a fortune for it. Word was any connector or cable would need to have an Apple chip in it and Apple would charge lots of money for them.


meh then I could always just connect using the cord like you would for any other phone out there. No big deal.
 
2012-08-29 02:26:08 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Flint Ironstag: Representative of the unwashed masses: But you can have my Bose sound dock and home theater speakers when you pry them from my cold dead hands. I throw them away because they won't work with the iPhone 5, and presumably the next iPod, because it has a different connector and an adapter would look stupid and stop the dock sliding in and out the way it was designed to. 

And that's if they actually make a adapter. Or charge a fortune for it. Word was any connector or cable would need to have an Apple chip in it and Apple would charge lots of money for them.

meh then I could always just connect using the cord like you would for any other phone out there. No big deal.


Will the remote control work then?
 
2012-08-29 02:33:30 PM

Flint Ironstag: Representative of the unwashed masses: Flint Ironstag: Representative of the unwashed masses: But you can have my Bose sound dock and home theater speakers when you pry them from my cold dead hands. I throw them away because they won't work with the iPhone 5, and presumably the next iPod, because it has a different connector and an adapter would look stupid and stop the dock sliding in and out the way it was designed to. 

And that's if they actually make a adapter. Or charge a fortune for it. Word was any connector or cable would need to have an Apple chip in it and Apple would charge lots of money for them.

meh then I could always just connect using the cord like you would for any other phone out there. No big deal.

Will the remote control work then?


meh I lost it a year ago. no big deal.
 
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