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(Huffington Post)   The 1% is: a) the smartest of the population. b) the richest of the population. c) the portion of national electrical power used to grow weed   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 77
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2012-08-28 06:43:16 PM  
If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.
 
2012-08-28 06:47:57 PM  

Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.


Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?
 
2012-08-28 06:57:18 PM  

Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.


Sure, if you're game enough to grow it outside and risk someone seeing it and reporting it.
 
2012-08-28 07:02:43 PM  
Well they're not the smartest, I can tell you that.
 
2012-08-28 07:15:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?


That might work. Unfortunately, something like that would need a god or an enormous bang to create it, so I guess we're out of luck.
 
2012-08-28 07:23:37 PM  

Ed Finnerty: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?

That might work. Unfortunately, something like that would need a god or an enormous bang to create it, so I guess we're out of luck.


Yeah... too bad you can't just snap your fingers and say "Let there be gro-light"
 
2012-08-28 07:23:55 PM  

Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.


The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.
 
2012-08-28 07:35:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?


Solar-powered weed... green green?
 
2012-08-28 07:49:11 PM  
We should tax that one percent. As opposed to arresting them.
 
2012-08-28 08:11:29 PM  
I do not believe that number. 1% is too high by at least a factor of 10, and probably more like 100.
 
2012-08-28 09:14:52 PM  

Makh: We should tax that one percent. As opposed to arresting them.


...But the ban is almost working, we just need to ban harder!
 
2012-08-28 09:15:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.


LOL. Obviously you don't live on the West Coast.
 
2012-08-28 09:16:18 PM  
If you're not off the grid, you're on it. And you're being watched.

Stupid potheads.
 
2012-08-28 09:17:58 PM  
They gloss over getting growers to give up year round harvests in their argument for allowing outdoor cultivation.
 
2012-08-28 09:18:35 PM  
How does one say 'fiat gro-lux' in Aramaic?
 
2012-08-28 09:18:56 PM  

bronyaur1: I do not believe that number. 1% is too high by at least a factor of 10, and probably more like 100.


I'm sure it's right if you're taking it to the nearest percentage point and rounding all decimals up.
 
2012-08-28 09:19:24 PM  

bronyaur1: I do not believe that number. 1% is too high by at least a factor of 10, and probably more like 100.


It does seem pretty fantastic.

I've seen some big grow ops, but think of just normal lighting, electronics, cooling and heating (those that heat w/ electric). Refrigerators, microwaves, ovens... and this is just normal residential stuff. Once we look at commercial lighting, server farms (and all the systems that support datacenters), industrial applications...

Yeah, now that I typed all that.... no way in hell does it account for 1%. This is just a "statistic" made so people can say "oooh oh! look! it's bad for the environment too!!!"
 
2012-08-28 09:20:26 PM  
I'm going to go with d) all of the above.
 
2012-08-28 09:21:14 PM  
Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.
 
2012-08-28 09:21:36 PM  
Legalize it. People will grow it outside. Problem solved.
 
2012-08-28 09:22:08 PM  
Proper curing of weed takes six months anyway, after which it is shelf-stable, so if outdoor cultivation were allowed, the bump in yield would probably cover the spikiness in output timing.

//pothead
//SMPS designer
 
2012-08-28 09:25:04 PM  
Anyone got experience with l.e.d. grow lights? Seems like it might help.
 
2012-08-28 09:26:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ed Finnerty: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?

That might work. Unfortunately, something like that would need a god or an enormous bang to create it, so I guess we're out of luck.

Yeah... too bad you can't just snap your fingers and say "Let there be gro-light"


You can if you use the clap on grow light system.
 
2012-08-28 09:27:18 PM  
Would like a word with Subby.

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2012-08-28 09:28:15 PM  
If it were legal you would have real electrical systems running good equipment.

when it's illegal it isn't always the best equipment or method of obtaining a larger amount of electricity.
 
2012-08-28 09:28:41 PM  
There's no free lunch hippies!

/They never bathe so it probably balances out
 
2012-08-28 09:29:47 PM  
I had a part time job at Home Depot in the Electrical Department from 2002-2007 and about two or three times a month some young hipster or stoner would come in asking about the different lights we sell, eventually he'd get around to asking if they were good for plants. I'd always try to work into the conversation a casual comment about somebody buying a bunch of grow lights on-line and the feds busting him because they look for that type of stuff.
 
2012-08-28 09:30:05 PM  
Maybe another reason Texans didn't want smart electric meters installed on their homes.

/agree that 1% is a ridiculous overestimate
/that researcher should have his pocket protector and lab coat confiscated
 
2012-08-28 09:31:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.


Slugs.

Goddamn I hate the slugs this year.

(don't tell me about beer, diotemacious earth, eggshells...none of it worked. Farkin slugs...)
 
2012-08-28 09:31:53 PM  
One percent doesn't seem that far out, aren't ten percent of adults regular users? Even if its 2% and half their consumption goes to bud, as they are pretty green otherwise, we arrive at our 1% figure, neglecting industrial/military consumption of electricity.
 
2012-08-28 09:34:17 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Marcus Aurelius: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.

Slugs.

Goddamn I hate the slugs this year.

(don't tell me about beer, diotemacious earth, eggshells...none of it worked. Farkin slugs...)


Line your garden with copper? Expensive though.
 
2012-08-28 09:35:08 PM  

clevershark: Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.


Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! How dare they uphold the laws they swore to uphold. (sarcasm)

/Worked marijuana eradication task force before.
 
2012-08-28 09:36:23 PM  

Silverstaff: clevershark: Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.

Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! How dare they uphold the laws they swore to uphold. (sarcasm)

/Worked marijuana eradication task force before.


You want a medal or something?
 
2012-08-28 09:36:37 PM  
The article notes that indoor grows consume one-sixth of the amount of power consumed by fridges in the United States.

I'm sort of confused as to why anyone bothered to write this.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:35 PM  

Hypothetical Imperative: The article notes that indoor grows consume one-sixth of the amount of power consumed by fridges in the United States.

I'm sort of confused as to why anyone bothered to write this.


I guess it helps people to quantify and understand the data if they have an analogy such as, "the Mariana Trench would fit X number of Empire State Buildings" or some such nonsense.
 
2012-08-28 09:39:02 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Marcus Aurelius: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.

LOL. Obviously you don't live on the West Coast.


Sometimes I wish I did. My brother lived north of Sacramento for a time, and it was like living in another world.
 
2012-08-28 09:39:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?


Solar powered weed? God you hippies make me sick.
 
2012-08-28 09:42:53 PM  

BigEd: I had a part time job at Home Depot in the Electrical Department from 2002-2007 and about two or three times a month some young hipster or stoner would come in asking about the different lights we sell, eventually he'd get around to asking if they were good for plants. I'd always try to work into the conversation a casual comment about somebody buying a bunch of grow lights on-line and the feds busting him because they look for that type of stuff.


CSB: Our new shop is in a remote area of the county. Having spent 40+ years working under less than ideal lighting conditions, I designed it to be exceedingly well lit. Our electrical contractor cautioned me to install only about a third of the fixtures before the inspection and wait until afterwards to install the rest. He assured me that to do otherwise would end up drawing a lot of attention. Glad I didn't buy all of the fixtures online....
 
2012-08-28 09:51:35 PM  

Silverstaff: Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! follow orders without question.


FTFY.

They're only following orders, right?
 
2012-08-28 09:54:28 PM  

kim jong-un: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.
Are you suggesting some sort of solar-powered alternative?
Solar powered weed? God you hippies make me sick.


I use the stems and seeds to run my car!
 
2012-08-28 09:58:29 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Marcus Aurelius: Ed Finnerty: If only there were some type of free, outdoor energy source that could aid in the growth of plants. Hey! The...oh, right.

The only risk is five to ten years in prison. And getting your crop stolen / eaten by deer / seized by the po po. And Lyme disease.

Slugs.

Goddamn I hate the slugs this year.

(don't tell me about beer, diotemacious earth, eggshells...none of it worked. Farkin slugs...)


Chickens?
 
2012-08-28 10:03:01 PM  

pxlboy: Silverstaff: clevershark: Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.

Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! How dare they uphold the laws they swore to uphold. (sarcasm)

/Worked marijuana eradication task force before.

You want a medal or something?


Profile says he has a badge. Odd, his attitude said that before checking the profile.
 
2012-08-28 10:17:14 PM  

Silverstaff: clevershark: Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.

Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! How dare they uphold the laws they swore to uphold. (sarcasm)

/Worked marijuana eradication task force before.


You sound like an authoritarian mega douche. (no sarcasm)
 
2012-08-28 10:21:26 PM  
what an absurdly stupid claim to make. 1% of US electricity use goes to grow lamps, eh? Lets see...according to EIA.gov (Energy Information Agency) residential and commercial use accounts for 10.6% of the total consumed. Pretty much every agency agrees commercial consumes more than residential, though the exact numbers took more than the few seconds I wanted to spend looking. Lets have "more than" mean 5.6% for commerical, and 5% for residential. One can assume that the overwhelming majority of energy used on MJ is grow lamps in a house - plants in a field use sunlight, as it were. That means residential. That means 20% (supposedly - 1% of total, contained within the 5% of total) of the electricity used by residential customers is used for pot production.

Now, since we're assuming everyone in the country is constantly stoned (has to be, with the amount being produced...) we're going to use massive grow equipment. How about this type stuff some of which runs 1000W! According to EIA, the average monthly US residential usage is 958 kilowatt hours. 24*30=720, so that 1000W system is really jacking up someone's electric use. In fact, if we say 20%(x)=720, X then is 3600, which means that slightly more than 1 in 4 houses has a full-scale massive hydroponic farm in operation. We'd be able to keep the farking planet stoned at that rate.
 
2012-08-28 10:22:32 PM  
Hey, Marx tells us that cops are here to reinforce the existing class structure; the guy is just doin' his job!
 
2012-08-28 10:26:29 PM  
eh, I did the wrong alegbra at the end - meh. Should just base it on 20% of 958, which means that one in 5 has a full hydroponic farm. Note also I'm only counting the ballast use - it would really be more than that. And also note that the 1 in 5 person isn't using any other electricity, their whole bill is going to pot growth. Since that isn't realistic, it is still going to be 1/3 have a major pot farm. Which is still pretty stupid.
 
2012-08-28 10:29:24 PM  

IamAwake: what an absurdly stupid claim to make. 1% of US electricity use goes to grow lamps, eh? Lets see...according to EIA.gov (Energy Information Agency) residential and commercial use accounts for 10.6% of the total consumed. Pretty much every agency agrees commercial consumes more than residential, though the exact numbers took more than the few seconds I wanted to spend looking. Lets have "more than" mean 5.6% for commerical, and 5% for residential. One can assume that the overwhelming majority of energy used on MJ is grow lamps in a house - plants in a field use sunlight, as it were. That means residential. That means 20% (supposedly - 1% of total, contained within the 5% of total) of the electricity used by residential customers is used for pot production.

Now, since we're assuming everyone in the country is constantly stoned (has to be, with the amount being produced...) we're going to use massive grow equipment. How about this type stuff some of which runs 1000W! According to EIA, the average monthly US residential usage is 958 kilowatt hours. 24*30=720, so that 1000W system is really jacking up someone's electric use. In fact, if we say 20%(x)=720, X then is 3600, which means that slightly more than 1 in 4 houses has a full-scale massive hydroponic farm in operation. We'd be able to keep the farking planet stoned at that rate.


I'll throw this out:

Let's assume, on the high side, the average grow light is a 1000 watt device, and is used year round.
If on for 12 hours a day, the device consumes 12 kilowatt hours of electricity per day.
I'll round up to 5000kwh per year.
Total electrical usage in the US (2009) was 25.155 terawatt hours, or 25155000000 kwh.
1% of 25155000000 kwh is 251550000 kwh.
251550000 kwh works out to 50,310 1kw grow lights running 12 hours a day/ 365 a year in the US.
Not an outrageous number, but I could be wrong.
/Feel free to check the math
//Buzzed
 
2012-08-28 10:30:58 PM  
Air filtration uses about three-quarters as much power as the lights.
Everyone who buys indoor pot is using electricity by proxy.
 
2012-08-28 10:34:22 PM  

signaljammer: Air filtration uses about three-quarters as much power as the lights.
Everyone who buys indoor pot is using electricity by proxy.


replace "lights use 1k" with "whole setup uses 1k" and it still works. That still means 1/3 of the household have a growing operation? They pulled a number out of their ass - it was a stupid number.
 
2012-08-28 10:37:53 PM  

Silverstaff: clevershark: Growers would love to use the sun at no cost, but fascist assholes with badges keep interfering.

Yeah, how dare they enforce laws passed by elected officials that say it's a felony to do something! How dare they uphold the laws they swore to uphold. (sarcasm)

/Worked marijuana eradication task force before.


You mean the laws passed using racial fear mongering in both houses of congress and in full session? The laws funded and lobbied for by monetarily motivated individuals in the paper and petrochemical industries? The laws that killed 25% of the U.S. economy? The laws that criminalize average citizens and sick people? The laws that are the base of police corruption? The laws based on blatant lies that are the seed of distrust in our government and its officials?

You mean those laws?

/have a tic tac you still have dick on your breath probably held over by the vacuum between your ears.
 
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