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(WLOX Biloxi)   Obama's new mileage standards would save consumers $1.7 Trillion. That is if the consumers can find jobs and get credit in order to buy the imaginary 55mpg vehicles in the year 2025   (wlox.com) divider line 152
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2012-08-28 03:21:35 PM
So idiotmitter thinks the oil will last forever, then?
 
2012-08-28 03:25:58 PM
DAMN YOU FARTBONGO!
 
2012-08-28 03:26:11 PM
....if man is still alive
 
2012-08-28 03:29:50 PM

themindiswatching: So idiotmitter thinks the oil will last forever, then?


Gee, if we could explore for oil all over the US, we might increase our proven reserves by about 100 years....As we have done with Natural Gas.

/since all cars will be built out of aluminum foil and cheap plastic, the new standards will go a long way in culling the herds by contributing to their early demise when in a car wreck
 
2012-08-28 03:32:28 PM
If you're physically able and you can't find a job or get credit in the next 13 years, you're homeless and like it that way.

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2012-08-28 03:34:24 PM
Poor people shouldn't be buying new cars, anyway subby.
 
2012-08-28 03:35:49 PM
That's if man is still alive.
 
2012-08-28 03:36:51 PM

Aarontology: Poor people shouldn't be buying new cars, anyway subby.


How are they going to get their big screen TVs and refrigerators home?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 03:38:12 PM
So, does Subby think that 55mpg is impossible or is Subby against innovation?
 
2012-08-28 03:38:28 PM

EnviroDude: Gee, if we could explore for oil all over the US, we might increase our proven reserves by about 100 years....As we have done with Natural Gas.


That doesn't change the fact that the oil won't last forever. And all that oil is in oil shale, whose extraction process is extremely damaging to the environment and requires far more energy than our current methods of oil production.
 
2012-08-28 03:39:07 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Aarontology: Poor people shouldn't be buying new cars, anyway subby.

How are they going to get their big screen TVs and refrigerators home?


On the backs of a thousand crying job creators. Duh.
 
2012-08-28 03:45:33 PM
2011 VW Polo (Europe only) gets over 70 MPG and has lower emissions than many current US cars

Each manufacturer will just have to get busy getting stuff like this US-spec'd and certified to meet the AVERAGE economy standards. If you have an 80+ MPG ringer, you can get away with a 20 MPG sport-utility.
 
2012-08-28 03:47:18 PM
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 03:49:45 PM

markie_farkie: 2011 VW Polo (Europe only) gets over 70 MPG and has lower emissions than many current US cars

Each manufacturer will just have to get busy getting stuff like this US-spec'd and certified to meet the AVERAGE economy standards. If you have an 80+ MPG ringer, you can get away with a 20 MPG sport-utility.


For a 2025 deadline? They don't have to get very busy.
 
2012-08-28 03:50:16 PM

dahmers love zombie: All sorts of cars that get 70-90 MPG.


Even when you convert from Imperial Gallons to US Gallons those cars STILL kick almost any US-available model today.
 
2012-08-28 03:54:24 PM
Are Rapeublicans rolling out the "Proper tire pressure = SOCHIALIZMZ!!1!" schtick again?
 
2012-08-28 03:55:33 PM
$1.7T less dollars that profitable companies have to hire employees.

Good job all around, very clearly thought out policy.
 
2012-08-28 03:57:50 PM

EnviroDude: /since all cars will be built out of aluminum foil and cheap plastic, the new standards will go a long way in culling the herds by contributing to their early demise when in a car wreck


You're like pants on head retarded, aren't you?
 
2012-08-28 03:58:38 PM
I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe
 
2012-08-28 03:59:12 PM
Having bought cars with imaginary safety restraint systems after they were mandated by the government, I'm not having a problem with this.
 
2012-08-28 03:59:34 PM
 
2012-08-28 03:59:47 PM
Car companies don't voluntarily do it so they need to be forced to, bottom line.
 
2012-08-28 04:00:08 PM

Lost Thought 00: I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe


This is the thing......consumers want high mileage but we don't get it in the U.S. Why is that?
 
2012-08-28 04:00:27 PM
This headline is so retarded I don't know where to start. It's like when we had that FARK thread about high speed magnetic rail that right wing FARKers thought didn't exist yet.
 
2012-08-28 04:00:37 PM

hillbillypharmacist: $1.7T less dollars that profitable companies have to hire employees.

Good job all around, very clearly thought out policy.


1.7T dollars that can be spent on vacation, kids' college and shiat.

/alright i'll lay off the coffee.
 
2012-08-28 04:00:38 PM
I can buy a delivery van that gets over 50 mpg now for crying out loud.

But as I live in Europe, this must be socialism or something according to the dumbmitter
 
2012-08-28 04:02:18 PM

Citrate1007: Lost Thought 00: I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe

This is the thing......consumers want high mileage but we don't get it in the U.S. Why is that?


Gas is too cheap. We can get our huge Family Trucksters without the fillup costing a month's pay. Let gas get up to around $6 a gallon and you'll see some real mileage cars showing up here. Hell, there are automakers who have said on camera that they're not marketing high mileage cars here because nobody will buy them.
 
2012-08-28 04:02:20 PM
media.oregonlive.com

"Save trillions? We'll see about that."
 
2012-08-28 04:02:41 PM

Citrate1007: Lost Thought 00: I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe

This is the thing......consumers want high mileage but we don't get it in the U.S. Why is that?


Gas is too cheap here, so it doesn't put enough market pressure on high-mileage vehicles. It's not like the mileage comes for "free" - it's the result of weaker engines and smaller cars (which are not necessarily cheaper). In the US, gas is cheap (even at $4US per gallon) compared to everywhere else, so consumers aren't as willing to make the sacrifice.
 
2012-08-28 04:04:15 PM
The economy probably won't change one way or the other in the next 13 years.
 
2012-08-28 04:04:41 PM
Hey subtardmitter I drove a car that gets BETTER than that yesterday! Yes on normal streets in the US.

Do I win a prize for driving an "imaginary" car, you idiot?
 
2012-08-28 04:04:56 PM

Lost Thought 00: Gas is too cheap here, so it doesn't put enough market pressure on high-mileage vehicles. It's not like the mileage comes for "free" - it's the result of weaker engines and smaller cars (which are not necessarily cheaper). In the US, gas is cheap (even at $4US per gallon) compared to everywhere else, so consumers aren't as willing to make the sacrifice.


And they drive a lot more diesels in Europe than they do here precisely because of the higher mileage.
 
2012-08-28 04:05:10 PM

dahmers love zombie: Citrate1007: Lost Thought 00: I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe

This is the thing......consumers want high mileage but we don't get it in the U.S. Why is that?

Gas is too cheap. We can get our huge Family Trucksters without the fillup costing a month's pay. Let gas get up to around $6 a gallon and you'll see some real mileage cars showing up here. Hell, there are automakers who have said on camera that they're not marketing high mileage cars here because nobody will buy them.


Better to just force car companies to make higher mileage cars directly than doing it in a roundabout way via hurting the poor and middle class with even more regressive taxes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 04:05:38 PM

hillbillypharmacist: $1.7T less dollars that profitable companies have to hire employees.

Good job all around, very clearly thought out policy.


Do you think you are going to find many people dumb enough to believe that companies take all of their profits and hire excess workers with them just because they can?

Or have you just not thought up any replacement spin?
 
2012-08-28 04:07:10 PM
I image that in 13 years, cars with technology like the Chevy Volt & the Fisker Karma will be more refined and a lot cheaper for the masses.

Remember what an HDTV cost 10 years ago? We thought they were toys for only the rich, but flash forward to today, they're about 10x times less than what they used to cost, and in nearly everybodies home.

That's how technology works.
 
2012-08-28 04:07:51 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: ....if man is still alive


+1 for getting in first with the reference.
 
2012-08-28 04:08:02 PM

themindiswatching: idiotmitter


vpb: So, does Subby think that 55mpg is impossible or is Subby against innovation?


Corvus: This headline is so retarded I don't know where to start.


Corvus: Hey subtardmitter


I see whoever submitted this got some VERY high-mileage trolleriffic action out of the headline..

(not submitter)
 
2012-08-28 04:08:32 PM

themindiswatching: EnviroDude: Gee, if we could explore for oil all over the US, we might increase our proven reserves by about 100 years....As we have done with Natural Gas.

That doesn't change the fact that the oil won't last forever. And all that oil is in oil shale, whose extraction process is extremely damaging to the environment and requires far more energy than our current methods of oil production.


very funny study. Refining oil releases toxic chemicals.
 
2012-08-28 04:09:09 PM
20 years ago a V-6 Mustang with over 300hp, that gets 30 mpg, was imaginary.
 
2012-08-28 04:09:25 PM
So.... we'll be in a longer downturn than the Great Depression, then. Yeah. Sure.
 
2012-08-28 04:09:30 PM

Lost Thought 00: Citrate1007: Lost Thought 00: I can buy a car which gets 75mpg easily. I just have to move to Europe

This is the thing......consumers want high mileage but we don't get it in the U.S. Why is that?

Gas is too cheap here, so it doesn't put enough market pressure on high-mileage vehicles. It's not like the mileage comes for "free" - it's the result of weaker engines and smaller cars (which are not necessarily cheaper). In the US, gas is cheap (even at $4US per gallon) compared to everywhere else, so consumers aren't as willing to make the sacrifice.


Plus we like our vehicles big. My niece and her husband just bought a new car. Her mother and her in-laws all chastised her for not getting an SUV because she is a mother now, and mothers need SUVs.
 
2012-08-28 04:10:01 PM

vpb: So, does Subby think that 55mpg is impossible or is Subby against innovation?


Wasn't Honda shipping a 45mpg CVCC to the USA in the 70s? WTF has everybody been doing since then?
 
2012-08-28 04:10:15 PM

hillbillypharmacist: $1.7T less dollars that profitable companies have to hire employees.

Good job all around, very clearly thought out policy.


As we all know, money not spent on gas cannot enter the economy in any other way.
 
2012-08-28 04:10:56 PM

EnviroDude: themindiswatching: EnviroDude: Gee, if we could explore for oil all over the US, we might increase our proven reserves by about 100 years....As we have done with Natural Gas.

That doesn't change the fact that the oil won't last forever. And all that oil is in oil shale, whose extraction process is extremely damaging to the environment and requires far more energy than our current methods of oil production.

very funny study. Refining oil releases toxic chemicals.


Right because there is no such thing as something being bad and worse. The only choices you have is perfect and not perfect... well if you are a simpleton idiot like you are.
 
2012-08-28 04:12:05 PM
But you can't fit a gun rack in a low emission vehicle!!!
 
2012-08-28 04:12:28 PM
This pisses me off no end, as this targets potential consumption, not actual consumption. Fuel should be taxed and on top of that go ahead and throw a luxury tax on premium fuel. I'm fine with paying extra every time I top off the Corvette prior to going out and screwing around on back country roads or the track. By raising fuel prices you'll in turn raise demand for mass transit, more fuel efficient cars, etc. Back when gas seemed to be heading for 5 dollars a gal the resale on fuel efficient cars went up because consumers demanded them.

MPG limits are just a cop out by the government to force manufacturers to make cars that consumers aren't excited out and don't want. It lets the government keep its hands clean of having to raise taxes or the like while leaving the manufacturers hung out to dry and trying to convince everyone they really do want a subcompact. Push gas prices up and you'll have people fighting it out over the last Cruze/Focus/Prius/Volt/Fit/etc left on the dealer's lot.

I also dislike how it impacts a certain class of car based on the concept it guzzles more gas. For example at one time in my life the only vehicle I owned was a 7 Liter V8. Yet I put gas it once a month since I took the bus to work or biked and I lived two blocks from a grocery store. Only time I drove it was on the weekends for a bit of recreation. Yet CAFE will kill off that kind of muscle car. The other example would be five engineers I know, none of whom want to own a commuter. So they arranged a car pool and come in together in a Yukon. While the Yukon is far from the most efficient thing on the road, 5 people in 1 Yukon is more efficient than 5 individuals rolling into work in 5 Chevy Aveos.

The government really just needs to nut up, push the gas price up, luxury tax levels of fuels commonly used for recreation/sport, and direct the extra tax revenue directly into mass transit and alternative energy. When people biatch, tell them that's life and it is for national security (get off foreign oil). Let us decide what kind of car to roll in though and how much we'll use that car. Some people will likely be fine with blowing 10k a year to commute in their own SUV, others will alter their lifestyle (be it a different car, use of mass transit, carpools, etc).

/the joke around here is that we'll sell blister packs of cars, 2 Volts and 1 Corvette in a pack, the dealer will sell you the cars, promptly buy the Volts back and roll them over to the used car lot, thus meeting brand wide MPG requirements
 
2012-08-28 04:13:06 PM

lucksi: I can buy a delivery van that gets over 50 mpg now for crying out loud.

But as I live in Europe, this must be socialism or something according to the dumbmitter


I heard all the roads in Europe run downhill. That's where the fuel savings come in.
 
2012-08-28 04:14:05 PM

EnviroDude: themindiswatching: So idiotmitter thinks the oil will last forever, then?

Gee, if we could explore for oil all over the US, we might increase our proven reserves by about 100 years....As we have done with Natural Gas.

/since all cars will be built out of aluminum foil and cheap plastic, the new standards will go a long way in culling the herds by contributing to their early demise when in a car wreck


Since we are currently drilling more oil than most years during the Bush administration, your retarded point is retarded.
 
2012-08-28 04:14:10 PM
More conservative double talk.

When the U.S. automakers were in financial trouble: "It is their fault destroying the economy by building big gas guzzling SUVs and not innovating in smaller more fuel efficient vehicles that the consumer wants. That is why the imports are killing us."


When the automakers are rebounding but the oil market is volatile due to international pressures despite record domestic production: "How dare the governent force the automakers to switch from the roomy SUVs they want and create smaller more fuel efficient vehicles that nobody wants. It will destroy the economy and once again the imports will kill us,
 
2012-08-28 04:14:13 PM
And...? The clean air act mandated 90% reduction in emissions on a 5 year deadline. People whined about how impossibly unfair that was, but they did it
 
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