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2012-08-28 02:13:56 PM  
7 votes:
These dipshiats make me ashamed to be 1/2 Quebecois.

What a bunch of self-deluded fools. You see, most separatists call for "sovereignty-association", in other words, independence from Ottawa but still keeping all the benefits of confederation. Problem: That's not up to them, it's up to us, and they're kidding themselves if they think they're going to be allowed to choose anyting other than "you're in or you're out".

What separatists don't realize is that public opinion would turn the tide very quickly into something like this:

-When they left they'd have to pay off their entire per-capita share of the national debt.
-A vote for separation would trigger massive federal granting of all pending Indian land claims prior to secession, cutting the size of Quebec by about 75%.
-All federal assets, including infrastructure, that aren't removed would have to be purchased by the province.
-Quebec would be left completely wihtout a military force of any kind, as all personnel and equipment would be removed.
-Quebec would have to join NAFTA or negotiate a separate trade deal with Canada, otherwise their status would be no different than, say, Botswana.
-Quebec would no longer be entitled to any current federal funding of any programs or projects.
-Any person who wished to retain Canadian citizenship would have the legal right to do so, creating a sub-community with divided loyalties within the province.
-Industries would be given huge tax and other incentives to relocate out of Quebec and remain in Canada proper.
-The federal government would freeze any Quebec assets under its control until all monies owed were paid in full.
-Quebec would not be able to use Canadian currency, throwing their financial markets into utter chaos.
-Their tax base of well under 10 million people is simply not big neough to sustain all the new responsibilities a "federal" Quebec government would suddenly have.

There are others, but perhaps the biggest consequence of separation would be this: Once Quebecers are flat broke, out of work, and desperately beginning to realize what a foolish decision they've made, they can't just reverse it. The shoe would be on the other foot, since it would be the rest of the country that's now voting on whether or not to even let them back in!

Quebeckers should ask the Southern U.S. states how they enjoyed Reconstruction and having the terms of re-admittance dictated to them.

The good news in all of this is that, regardless of media hype and separatist spin, there simply isn't anywhere near the popular vote support for a separation referendum to pass. They might be able to elect people, but with a multi-party system you only need about 35% of the popular vote to make it look like you ran away with the election. In a simple yes/no referendum It wouldn't even be close.

News flash to all the deluded separatists: It's not the 1980's anymore.
2012-08-28 01:40:57 PM  
4 votes:
Quebec French: even more annoying than the real French.
2012-08-28 01:53:30 PM  
3 votes:
As a former Quebec resident and a fluent Acadian francophone, I say good riddance.

The victim culture in Quebec is like nothing I've ever seen.

There is nothing in the world that a hard-lined quebecer likes better than to blame someone else for their woes.

If they actually separate, and force all the anglos out, then they'll have no one left to blame. Only once this happens might they actually develop a culture worth saving.
2012-08-28 01:36:07 PM  
3 votes:
Pas cette merde encore, le submittre.

/Je pense
//filthy hAnglo
///Les slashies!
2012-08-28 01:34:01 PM  
3 votes:
"The Parti Quebecois (PQ) complains that Quebec does not make enough from rich reserves of iron, zinc, nickel, copper and gold and wants to force mining firms to pay higher royalties. It also plans to make it harder for foreign firms to take over Quebec companies.
It will strengthen already tough language laws to ensure French dominates, and promises a third referendum on splitting off from Canada when the time is right.
"

Good luck with that profitability thing
2012-08-29 12:16:20 AM  
2 votes:
We've been farked in the ass by the Liberals for the last ten years...

What people tend to forget is that, before that, we got farked in the ass by the PQ for nearly a decade before that.

Prior to that? Bourassa. Let's be honest, a semi-intelligent mould, or a slightly retarded pidgeon would have been better than Bourassa.

People, Quebec needs actual goddamned leadership, not the professional graft-artists we've had for the last 20 years.

And to the Rest of Canada, as an Anglo, a staunch federalist and someone with the brainpower to manage TWO (that's 2) languages: Yes, Quebec sponges money. Yes, Quebec whines a lot. But Ontario is broke as fark too. So are most of the Maratime Provinces, and if it wasn't for Montreal industry a hundred years ago, Alberta would still be a wasteland. So fark off a bit, yeah? Let us, real patriots who live here and love Canada and have stayed for generations, fight the fight we have to. You can biatch and moan to yourselves, but we deal with this shiat every goddamned day, and we don't need the static.

Let's lay off the anti-French comments, try to understand one another, and at least pretend like Canadians have all the big-boy words we need to make our country work and maybe, maybe I won't have to frig off to another province in the next five years.
2012-08-28 02:37:29 PM  
2 votes:

catson:
As a québécois, I hope the referendum will succeed and we will become a sovereign and prosperous nation.


Those two goals are mutually exclusive. Something the Separatards(R) just don't get.
2012-08-28 02:11:03 PM  
2 votes:
I bet Canada would be far better off without Quebec, assuming we drop the official bilingualism crap the moment Quebec separates (or the rest of Canada kicks them out). Having to produce bilingual packaging for the Canadian market is part of the reason why Canadian prices are higher than US prices for identical items. Not having to pay for French-speaking bureaucrats that serve a staggeringly small minority outside of Quebec, plus all the time producing all legislation, regulations, etc. in both languages.

Nobody has done a study to quantify this, because that might hurt Quebec's little feelings.
Plus we'd have to pay to write it in "Quebecois French" too.

Oh, and by the way, we'll redesign our currency immediately too, getting rid of the French, to discourage the Quebeggers from continuing to use the CANADIAN dollar.

Quebeckers are like the 30-year old guy living in his parent's basement paying no rent and complaining he doesn't get enough respect as an independent hard-working.... oh, have you got my allowance??
2012-08-28 02:09:36 PM  
2 votes:
The idea of Quebec seceeding from Canada is particularly attractive to the US because once it occurs, Canada will break apart and guess who will be therre to pick up the pieces...you're too smart for me...right...Uncle Sam and we will have new states in the union and new sources of natural resources to plunder. It was believed that the parts of Canada would not be strong enough to make a go of it on their own and would go into negotiations with the US to unite with us. It might take a few years to happen but eventually it would. Just think of all the oil, iron, etc that would be available around our new northern border on the Arctic Circle. And we wouldn't have to fire a single shot to make it happen.
2012-08-28 01:59:29 PM  
2 votes:
I don't understand the opposition to separation. The RoC obviously likes Stephen Harper's authoritarian right-wing ways, we clearly don't. Us leaving would leave the path for the RoC to accomplish its goal of becoming as retarded as the USA, while we do our own thing.
2012-08-28 01:48:18 PM  
2 votes:
Ah Quebec. European style arrogance with none of the charm.
2012-08-28 01:45:02 PM  
2 votes:
Good. Split. Leave. Then slowly sink into poverty as your mineral resources are exploited to exhaustion, leaving Quebec with nothing more than an over-inflated sense of self-worth.

Is there something inherent in the French language that makes native speakers insist on preeminence regardless of their fundamental irrelevance?
2012-08-29 10:46:23 AM  
1 vote:
Coboc
Let's lay off the anti-French comments, try to understand one another, and at least pretend like Canadians have all the big-boy words we need to make our country work and maybe, maybe I won't have to frig off to another province in the next five years.

Wish I'd read this first too. Why can't the sensible comments be at the top of the thread?
2012-08-28 11:05:44 PM  
1 vote:

tirob: RanDomino: It has nothing to do with separatism and everything to do with the student strike. Really, none of you know about it? Repeated quarter million -turnout rallies, classes canceled, thousands of people fighting police (and sometimes winning)? Yes? No?

There is some souverainiste sentiment among the student strikers (how's that for alliteration?), but I don't sense that the students' demands are what this election is being fought about. Furthermore, the student strikes are winding down now that the new school year is beginning.

I think that whoever wrote the Yahoo article is being alarmist. It doesn't necessarily follow that a PQ win will generate a referendum. After the 1995 referendum resulted in a win for the "Non," the PQ governed for eight years without calling for a new referendum. Even now, Marois is talking much more about the economy, social services, and strengthening Bill 101 than about plans for a referendum.

What *is* clear to me is that some Canadian commenters here get their balls in an uproar every time this subject is mentioned.


Exactly.

For god's sake, people, us Quebecers voted the Bloc (which only short-sighted separatists voted for anyway) right off the freakin' map and opted to back a party that actually wants to do something on a national rather than provincial scale for a change. Do you honestly think that the PQ, which will have a minority government if it manages to come out ahead at all, will call for a referendum the next day? Or even on the short-term? Hells no, and if you do think that, you are one paranoid anglo. Marois will tackle education, money and corruption issues right off the bat to "get the house in order", and will be blocked every step of the way by the Liberal Party and Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ), which will most likely comprise the opposition, as they wait for their shot at re-election. Hell, maybe even Québec Solidaire, the left-leaning party who also has independence on its platform (thought not as vehemently touted as the PQ), will probably impeded any delusions the PQ has of actually governing this province.

Quebecers are tired of the Liberals, but look at the choices they have: PQ (yay separatism! again!), the CAQ (yay cutting social programs and limiting immigration for the sake of cultural integrity!), Québec Solidaire (yay even more taxes 'cuz what the hell let's hike post-retirement payments for the elderly even though the aging population will soon have an insufficient taxpayer base to support it!) or the little known Option Nationale (yay underdog with no exposure that also wants to separate!). What's more, all the newly-minted voters are balls-deep in the student protest, so no way are they tossing their support to Charest or the CAQ. In a way, the protest is a boon to the PQ. If it hadn't happen, the Libs would've been unceremoniously sworn back in.

In essence, the reason the separatists have any sort of traction again is due to an event that is making people want to choose what they perceive as the lesser of two evils. It's deeply sad and unfortunate, but trust me, there will be no more referendums. The only positive thing I can attribute to the PQ is its desire to keep natural resources in Québec, thereby strengthening the economy, instead of just letting anyone waltz in and profit. Unfortunately, that's very much eclipsed by their incessant separatist rant.
2012-08-28 05:13:05 PM  
1 vote:

the_sidewinder: "The Parti Quebecois (PQ) complains that Quebec does not make enough from rich reserves of iron, zinc, nickel, copper and gold and wants to force mining firms to pay higher royalties. It also plans to make it harder for foreign firms to take over Quebec companies.
It will strengthen already tough language laws to ensure French dominates, and promises a third referendum on splitting off from Canada when the time is right."

Good luck with that profitability thing


That and Quebec totally farked Newfoundland by buying out their power plans and totally jacked them hard. Then they went and got some phone lines so that anyone building anything on those lines pays big. They are a bunch of way-too-proud-for-little-to-no-accomplishments types that think the world should bend to their rules. Total dogshiat. They can go independent and try to deal with Canada like a foreign nation. See how that works out.
2012-08-28 04:48:31 PM  
1 vote:
If they secede can we somehow work out an international agreement prohibiting them from wearing speedos at the beaches in Cape Cod?
2012-08-28 03:26:48 PM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: your neighbor to the south hates Frenchies


So does our Prime Minister at the moment. You want to know the biggest allies of Quebec independence right now? Stephen Harper's contempt and Jean Charest's utter corruption. If it hadn't been for those two assholes separatism would be as dead and buried as it was last year.
2012-08-28 03:11:28 PM  
1 vote:
but i am le tired...
2012-08-28 03:07:04 PM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, good luck with that, Quebec. Go ahead and "separate" in the middle of a country the size of the US, and be your own nation with no coasts, no independent exports, no trade that comes in over your own airspace, and your neighbor to the south hates Frenchies. You go ahead and be your own country, but first do some research on how landlocked non-producing nations actually fare in the global economy. (Hint: They're all grindingly poor and full of angry people)

I appreciate that you don't like being marginalized by Canada and want some independence; but there is a REASON the flyover states in the US haven't actually seceded yet, and it's not because they secretly really like the government. It's because with no port cities and no independent airspace, they're as stuck with the coasts as we are with them.


The St. Lawrence is navigable all the way through the province (Montreal's been a port since forever), and depending on where the sea boundaries end up in the Gulf of St. Lawerence, they'd probably have clear access to international waters.

Thunder Bay, on the other hand, would be hosed. Moose Factory might experience a boom once climate change melts a path into Hudson Bay, though.
2012-08-28 03:06:54 PM  
1 vote:

Biness: mon dieu!

scare bleu!

Dijion!

Fromage!


frottage
2012-08-28 03:01:06 PM  
1 vote:

crab66: Ah Quebec. European style arrogance with none of the charm.


I've never heard it put that way, but... yeah, pretty much. More potholes too.
2012-08-28 02:59:11 PM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: but first do some research on how landlocked non-producing nations actually fare in the global economy. (Hint: They're all grindingly poor and full of angry people)


You may want to consult a map first, Quebec isn't exactly what I'd call "landlocked"
2012-08-28 02:57:02 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah, good luck with that, Quebec. Go ahead and "separate" in the middle of a country the size of the US, and be your own nation with no coasts, no independent exports, no trade that comes in over your own airspace, and your neighbor to the south hates Frenchies. You go ahead and be your own country, but first do some research on how landlocked non-producing nations actually fare in the global economy. (Hint: They're all grindingly poor and full of angry people)

I appreciate that you don't like being marginalized by Canada and want some independence; but there is a REASON the flyover states in the US haven't actually seceded yet, and it's not because they secretly really like the government. It's because with no port cities and no independent airspace, they're as stuck with the coasts as we are with them.
2012-08-28 02:52:17 PM  
1 vote:

madcan34: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: GoldDude: I bet Canada would be far better off without Quebec, assuming we drop the official bilingualism crap the moment Quebec separates (or the rest of Canada kicks them out). Having to produce bilingual packaging for the Canadian market is part of the reason why Canadian prices are higher than US prices for identical items. Not having to pay for French-speaking bureaucrats that serve a staggeringly small minority outside of Quebec, plus all the time producing all legislation, regulations, etc. in both languages.

Nobody has done a study to quantify this, because that might hurt Quebec's little feelings.
Plus we'd have to pay to write it in "Quebecois French" too.

Oh, and by the way, we'll redesign our currency immediately too, getting rid of the French, to discourage the Quebeggers from continuing to use the CANADIAN dollar.

That word made me laugh... and to keep with the US comparisons made earlier, it made me think that a good term for the Quebec separatists is Quebaggers.

/Isn't it clear that Quebec is the Florida of Canada? Complete with the hot women in the major cities, too....

Never stick your dick in crazy - and Quebec french crazy is the one of them sever kinds of crazy that you just don't wanna mess with.

/speaking from experience
//not french
///ice tea tabernac


The term is DFG - Dirty French Girls

//Just don't use your real name
//They won't care anyway
2012-08-28 02:43:53 PM  
1 vote:

clevershark: Why do half the Canadians in Fark end up on my ignore list? Oh yeah, Quebec threads. Oh well, nothing of value is lost.


Every Quebecois I've met as an individual has been cool and easy to get along with (except that one tete de merde in the Laurentians). It's when they gather together in large numbers shouting slogans that they get irritating.

Granted, most of those meetings have been outside La Belle Province, meaning those people took the stick out of their ass long enough to visit the ROC. I think all the separatists should come pick fruit in BC for a summer so they can see we're not actually assholes (and vice versa).
2012-08-28 02:29:09 PM  
1 vote:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: So is Quebec the Canadian Texas?


Quebec is the Canadian Florida.
2012-08-28 02:28:10 PM  
1 vote:
Love how they always forget us english-speaking Quebecois .....
2012-08-28 02:25:36 PM  
1 vote:

GoldDude: I bet Canada would be far better off without Quebec, assuming we drop the official bilingualism crap the moment Quebec separates (or the rest of Canada kicks them out). Having to produce bilingual packaging for the Canadian market is part of the reason why Canadian prices are higher than US prices for identical items. Not having to pay for French-speaking bureaucrats that serve a staggeringly small minority outside of Quebec, plus all the time producing all legislation, regulations, etc. in both languages.

Nobody has done a study to quantify this, because that might hurt Quebec's little feelings.
Plus we'd have to pay to write it in "Quebecois French" too.

Oh, and by the way, we'll redesign our currency immediately too, getting rid of the French, to discourage the Quebeggers from continuing to use the CANADIAN dollar.


That word made me laugh... and to keep with the US comparisons made earlier, it made me think that a good term for the Quebec separatists is Quebaggers.

/Isn't it clear that Quebec is the Florida of Canada? Complete with the hot women in the major cities, too....
2012-08-28 02:19:38 PM  
1 vote:
Let them go -- just cut off their oil.
2012-08-28 02:16:31 PM  
1 vote:

GoldDude: I bet Canada would be far better off without Quebec, assuming we drop the official bilingualism crap the moment Quebec separates (or the rest of Canada kicks them out).


Know how I know you're not from New Brunswick?
2012-08-28 02:15:55 PM  
1 vote:

catson: madcan34: Why doesn't the rest of the country have a vote to see if they can stay?

Because it is none of their farking business.

As a québécois, I hope the referendum will succeed and we will become a sovereign and prosperous nation, while all the foreigners and the rest of Canada can go suck cock.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHA
2012-08-28 02:13:36 PM  
1 vote:

clevershark: On the one hand I'm rather annoyed at how the media is freaking out and making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is. On the other hand I'm rather pleased that this means we can still make the rest of Canada shiat itself in panic, although I'm not sure why they want us to stick around since they have nothing better to do the rest of the time than biatch and whine about us.


The rest of Cananda no longer cares. Like the article says "there will be no repeat of the unity rally". The rest of Canada varies between wishing you would take your anchor on the economy, and begone, to just sighing at your obvious bluff.

Vas y. Personne t'arrete.
2012-08-28 02:06:19 PM  
1 vote:
ahh separatists...
those who don't understand basic economics. hint....look at the debt (and the future fleeting companies).

Pauline Marois is a nutbag. Listen to any of her speeches.

/They tend to like it so only those who are white, with a French last name, are prosperous here. Glass ceilings everywhere.
2012-08-28 02:05:03 PM  
1 vote:
Also that headline was clearly written by Google. What we'd say for "oh, not this shiat again" is "ah, pas encore ça tabarnac".
2012-08-28 02:01:35 PM  
1 vote:

catson: madcan34: Why doesn't the rest of the country have a vote to see if they can stay?

Because it is none of their farking business.

As a québécois, I hope the referendum will succeed and we will become a sovereign and prosperous nation, while all the foreigners and the rest of Canada can go suck cock.


...and the majority of Canadians disagree with you. Given, the majority of Canadians feel like we need Quebec like we need another hole in the head, but I digress.

LineNoise: Crap. Is the canadian intelligence service going to rig the stanley cup playoffs again over this?


Probably, but if it means the Cup comes back to Canada even for one year I think I'd be alright with it.
2012-08-28 02:00:39 PM  
1 vote:
www.klixpix.com
//Hey guys! Remember what happened to me when I lead the Referendum?
2012-08-28 01:53:08 PM  
1 vote:
Would they use the CAD$ or the € or a new "Quebec franc" or what?
2012-08-28 01:49:34 PM  
1 vote:

madcan34: Why doesn't the rest of the country have a vote to see if they can stay?


Because that would set a dangerous precedent for Florida...
2012-08-28 01:48:03 PM  
1 vote:

clevershark: On the one hand I'm rather annoyed at how the media is freaking out and making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is. On the other hand I'm rather pleased that this means we can still make the rest of Canada shiat itself in panic, although I'm not sure why they want us to stick around since they have nothing better to do the rest of the time than biatch and whine about us.


Our impression is that the separatists are like a kid running away from home. Most of it is just attention-whoring. Especially in the West, we see them (rightly or wrongly) as entitled whiners who get the lion's share of attention and funding from Ottawa, yet are never bloody satisfied. Add to that the fact they can't win a referendum without cheating, and even if they did manage to be their own country they think they can still benefit from Confederation without shouldering their share of the debt, and you get a topic that the rest of us are sick and tired of hearing about. Even the Franco-Ontariens and Acadiens can't stand the Quebecois (according to the two or three people I've talked to).

Yes, Quebec is so brutally oppressed, with your* dumptrucks of federal cash and your draconian language laws and your absolute intolerance of non-francophones.

Finally, a lot of us Anglos think Canada is a pretty neat country, and I guess some of us get a little miffed that anyone would want to leave it.

* - that was vous, not tu
2012-08-28 01:45:22 PM  
1 vote:
Cher Parti Quebecois,

I fart in your general direction!

Now. go away before I taunt you again!
2012-08-28 01:41:49 PM  
1 vote:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: So is Quebec the Canadian Texas?


No, that's Alberta.
2012-08-28 01:41:18 PM  
1 vote:
So is Quebec the Canadian Texas?
2012-08-28 01:40:42 PM  
1 vote:
The amusing thing this time around is that the prime minister of the country is not from Quebec, and in fact is extremely unpopular here (as in, "I wouldn't give the motherfarker a glass of water if he were on fire"), as is the rest of his party. So in the event of a referendum the RoC can put on a big show of so-called "love", but I think it's much less likely to "stick" this time around.
2012-08-28 01:38:10 PM  
1 vote:
Arret.

Hammertime.
2012-08-28 01:37:00 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't they try to pull this back in 96?
2012-08-28 01:35:22 PM  
1 vote:
On the one hand I'm rather annoyed at how the media is freaking out and making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is. On the other hand I'm rather pleased that this means we can still make the rest of Canada shiat itself in panic, although I'm not sure why they want us to stick around since they have nothing better to do the rest of the time than biatch and whine about us.
2012-08-28 01:32:58 PM  
1 vote:
That's an 18% gratuity tacked on now, buddy boy...
 
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