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(io9)   In honor of its upcoming 20th anniversary, here are 10 things you didn't know about Star Trek: Deep Space 9   (io9.com) divider line 269
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2012-08-28 12:00:24 PM
How many posts until we get the first whiny B5 fan?
 
2012-08-28 12:04:06 PM
Where the FARK did those two decades go??

I need to stop drinking scotch for breakfast every day...
 
2012-08-28 12:13:18 PM

DamnYankees: How many posts until we get the first whiny B5 fan?


I was thinking..

11) That it's a rip-off of B5?

I'm not a DS9 hater. I loved that show. And I have nothing against B5, but I just couldn't get into it.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 12:56:19 PM
Worst of the Star Treks by far. Take everything cool about Star Trek, set that part aside, and have the remains hang out drinking coffee in a space truck stop while life passes them by. Captain Archer would be embarrassed by this nonsense.
 
2012-08-28 01:06:28 PM

DamnYankees: How many posts until we get the first whiny B5 fan?


B5 fan, but not whiny. I do think B5 was responsible for DS9 getting an arc story line, which was not like the reset button in TOS and TNG.
 
2012-08-28 01:19:40 PM

jbc: Worst of the Star Treks by far.



No.
 
2012-08-28 01:20:12 PM
I didn't watch DS9 often when it first aired, so it wasn't until quite recently that I learned that one of my college professors, Dr. Fadwa El Guindi, played Bashir's mom in one episode.
 
2012-08-28 01:23:09 PM

jbc: Worst of the Star Treks by far. Take everything cool about Star Trek, set that part aside, and have the remains hang out drinking coffee in a space truck stop while life passes them by. Captain Archer would be embarrassed by this nonsense.


Captain Archer would be too busy yelling about Xindi and keeping Trip from causing an inter-species incident.
 
2012-08-28 01:31:50 PM

jbc: Worst of the Star Treks by far. Take everything cool about Star Trek, set that part aside, and have the remains hang out drinking coffee in a space truck stop while life passes them by. Captain Archer would be embarrassed by this nonsense.


1/10

If you'd left the Archer reference out, maybe 4/10.
 
2012-08-28 01:39:20 PM
Little known fact: Jadzia Dax's ( Terry Farrell ) stunt double was Patricia Tallman (Lyta Alexzander).
 
2012-08-28 01:40:25 PM
Things I don't know about Star Trek: Deep Space 9:

All of them.
 
2012-08-28 01:41:16 PM
Heh. Been watching ST my whole life. Skipped DS9 for whatever reason. Finally started a few weeks ago on netflix - it kicks ass. I'm on the season 5 finale and enjoying every minute.
 
2012-08-28 01:46:28 PM

Lorelle: I didn't watch DS9 often when it first aired, so it wasn't until quite recently that I learned that one of my college professors, Dr. Fadwa El Guindi, played Bashir's mom in one episode.


Yep.

It was in the episode about getting tards genetically modified.
 
2012-08-28 01:47:08 PM
"3) Lwaxana Troi was supposed to be a major recurring character"

Whew...dodged a major series-killing bullet there. Could not stand that character.
 
2012-08-28 01:47:26 PM
In the episode where Jadzia Dax appears in a bathing suit

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2012-08-28 01:48:54 PM
Best Recurring Trek Character title is split between Q and Garak. DS9 was great, Garak made it awesome.
 
2012-08-28 01:50:49 PM

zarberg: In the episode where Jadzia Dax appears in a bathing suit

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Ezri was better.

janefae.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-28 01:52:24 PM
11. It's trivially easy to tell if an episode will suck or not. Does Sisko have hair? If yes, then it will suck.
 
2012-08-28 01:53:10 PM
Too bad Voyager didn't learn anything about serialization from DS9. The lack of consequences is one of the largest problems with Voyager (although far from the only one).

As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

For me, seasons 2-4 of B5 is some of the best Sci-Fi television in history. When looking at the series' entire run, I slightly prefer DS9 to B5.
 
2012-08-28 01:55:02 PM

not2bright: "3) Lwaxana Troi was supposed to be a major recurring character"

Whew...dodged a major series-killing bullet there. Could not stand that character.


I was thinking the same thing. Several of those, actually, sounded like really bad ideas. A musical? A western? WTF?
 
2012-08-28 01:55:59 PM

NeoCortex42: Too bad Voyager didn't learn anything about serialization from DS9. The lack of consequences is one of the largest problems with Voyager (although far from the only one).

As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

For me, seasons 2-4 of B5 is some of the best Sci-Fi television in history. When looking at the series' entire run, I slightly prefer DS9 to B5.


IIRC, Rick Berman went off to create and oversee Voyager and left the inmates running the asylum at DS9.

That would have greatly helped the quality of DS9.
 
2012-08-28 01:56:22 PM

jbc: Worst Best of the Star Treks by far. Take everything cool about Star Trek, set that part aside, and have the remains hang out drinking coffee in a space truck stop while life passes them by. Captain Archer would be embarrassed by this nonsense and amp it up 1000x.


Fixed.

Huge growth in great characters and gigantic space battles. We had our cake and ate it too with that show.
 
2012-08-28 01:56:25 PM
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2012-08-28 01:57:40 PM

NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.


The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.
 
2012-08-28 01:58:56 PM

But Wait There's More: [t.qkme.me image 310x204]


Or B5, either. Arc stories don't do well in syndication.
 
2012-08-28 01:59:44 PM
I think DS9 was one of the better Star Trek series - behind Enterprise which I think was starting off pretty well then fell off the wagon - they COULD of improved it more with knowledge of TNG and DS9.

By far the worse? Voyager.... I classify it as the A-team of the 90s, how many times did Voyager get blown to bacon bits then the next episode be completely fixed with no issues?

B5 was actually well done, I enjoyed it but not as much as the Star trek series, I think I got into season 2-3 before I completely was lost, I probably gotta watch it over.

Best Sci-fi for me has always been Enterprise and X-files
 
2012-08-28 02:00:33 PM

Fish in a Barrel: NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.


I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.
 
2012-08-28 02:02:01 PM

Fish in a Barrel: NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.


Well, the episode written by Neil Gaiman was pretty good, and most of Season 3 of B5 is excellent. "Sleeping in Light" is a great finale.
 
2012-08-28 02:05:35 PM

FirstNationalBastard: zarberg: In the episode where Jadzia Dax appears in a bathing suit

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x293]

Ezri was better.


I'm rather easy to please:

Brunette, in decent shape, cute smile, brown eyes, not hideous looking.

They both fit.
 
2012-08-28 02:05:46 PM

NeoCortex42: I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.


The character growth and relationship between Londo and G'Kar are part of what makes B5 so great.
 
2012-08-28 02:06:39 PM

NeoCortex42: Fish in a Barrel: NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.

I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.


Exactly. Those two actors, despite starting off just as cheesy as the rest of the show could be, ended up saving it.
 
2012-08-28 02:08:41 PM
And you know, I think I can live with it.
I...can live with it.
I can live with it.


Computer, delete log entry.
 
2012-08-28 02:08:57 PM
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2012-08-28 02:09:08 PM

Misconduc: I think DS9 was one of the better Star Trek series - behind Enterprise which I think was starting off pretty well then fell off the wagon - they COULD of improved it more with knowledge of TNG and DS9.


I just finished watching Enterprise. Season 3 was OK. In fact it was so much better than the other seasons I really wonder what happened there. Bakula made a terrible captain, and T'Pol was the only character I found interesting.

And holy shiat I hated that theme song. And they somehow made it worse in season 3.

Misconduc: By far the worse? Voyager.... I classify it as the A-team of the 90s, how many times did Voyager get blown to bacon bits then the next episode be completely fixed with no issues?


Voyager is the only series I haven't been able to get through. I was about half-way through season 2 when I gave up. "Why am I doing this to myself," I asked.

At least they learned not to just hit the reset button in Enterprise. When the Xindi beat the crap out of them, they spent the rest of the season with at least visible damage. Although they did seem to have all the systems repaired within three or four episodes.
 
2012-08-28 02:10:07 PM
My three reasons for liking DS9

1- In the Pale Moonlight one of the best episodes of any sci fi show I have ever seen. Unlike starfleet captains of past Sisqo shows that sometimes in war you have to set your morals aside.

2- The character of Garak

3- The Dominion war story arc as a whole.
 
2012-08-28 02:10:22 PM

ltdanman44: thread needs more leeta

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She didn't age too badly.
 
2012-08-28 02:10:24 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Bakula made a terrible captain, and T'Pol was the only character I found interesting.


I liked Phlox also.
 
2012-08-28 02:11:47 PM
Michael Westmore, the lead makeup designer and supervisor, drew all of the Trill markings on actress Terry Farrell personally, by hand.

That lucky, lucky bastard. Terry Farrell has been in my spank bank ever since Back to School.
 
2012-08-28 02:11:53 PM
Considering her age, Leeta still looks good. Some...nice tracts of land there. I don't mind the weight gain either.

oh #12) Avery Brooks was batshiat crazy.
 
2012-08-28 02:12:33 PM

ltdanman44: thread needs more leeta

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One of the greatest things I can say about working at Star Trek the Experience in 2000 was that Chase Masterson hit on me. ..but I was so young and stupid and was all "I don't wanna upset my girlfriend."

/is a retard.
 
2012-08-28 02:14:02 PM

DamnYankees: Fish in a Barrel: Bakula made a terrible captain, and T'Pol was the only character I found interesting.

I liked Phlox also.


Yeah! Forgot about him.

NeoCortex42: I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.


G'Kar and Londo were great. I guess what I'm saying is that I felt like I was watching B5 in spite of itself because I always needed to know what was next.
 
2012-08-28 02:15:13 PM
11) The Battlestar Galactica re-imagining was giant middle finger to Paramount from the DS9 producers and writers, especially over Voyager

12) If you enjoyed the original broadcast of "In the Pale Moonlight", you are old.

/feels old
 
2012-08-28 02:15:23 PM
On the flipside, Tim Russ, Robert Duncan McNiel, and Robert Picardo all individually hit on my girlfriend at the time. We should have had some kind of pact.
 
2012-08-28 02:15:46 PM

Erix: NeoCortex42: Fish in a Barrel: NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.

I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.

Exactly. Those two actors, despite starting off just as cheesy as the rest of the show could be, ended up saving it.


I also liked that they made the Narn the "good" guys, for the most part, while the Centauri were the antagonists through most of it. Usually in a sci-fi show, you end up with the almost demonic-looking aliens always being evil, while the almost-human ones are invariably the good guys.
 
2012-08-28 02:16:10 PM

voran: oh #12) Avery Brooks was batshiat crazy.


Was he the one driving all the episodes about racism in the 1950/60s? That just seemed odd.
 
2012-08-28 02:16:45 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Lorelle: I didn't watch DS9 often when it first aired, so it wasn't until quite recently that I learned that one of my college professors, Dr. Fadwa El Guindi, played Bashir's mom in one episode.

Yep.

It was in the episode about getting tards genetically modified.


Nope. It was when Starfleet wanted to base the latest version of the EMH's likeness on Julian, and his parents showed up and spilled the beans about his illegal genetic modification because he was a borderline tard as a young kid.

...and then they go and base it on Andy Dick. Hmmm...
 
2012-08-28 02:18:34 PM

NeoCortex42: Erix: NeoCortex42: Fish in a Barrel: NeoCortex42: As for the DS9 vs B5 thing, I really enjoy both shows. I think the "non-arc" episodes of DS9 were generally stronger than B5, and it was generally better at being "fun". B5 had an amazingly strong arc story, mostly because it was entirely written by JMS, but that ended up hurting the show as a whole slightly because they ended up with a fifth season and nothing to really do with it.

The writing makes up for the fact that everything else on that show is awful. And even the writing has its flaws. The dialogue was frequently terrible, for instance. The overarching plot was just really well done, though.

I'm assuming you're talking about B5? The dialogue had some pretty bad moments, but the casting for Londo and G'Kar made it work. They were able to take any dialogue given to them, no matter how ridiculous, and make it epic.

Exactly. Those two actors, despite starting off just as cheesy as the rest of the show could be, ended up saving it.

I also liked that they made the Narn the "good" guys, for the most part, while the Centauri were the antagonists through most of it. Usually in a sci-fi show, you end up with the almost demonic-looking aliens always being evil, while the almost-human ones are invariably the good guys.


They actually played off that a bit if I remember correctly, with the Centauri trying to convince the humans after they made contact that they were some long lost space cousins.

Although, they didn't even really make the humans the good guys. But yeah, it was nice that not everything was good/evil in the show.
 
2012-08-28 02:19:38 PM

Fish in a Barrel: voran: oh #12) Avery Brooks was batshiat crazy.

Was he the one driving all the episodes about racism in the 1950/60s? That just seemed odd.


"Far Beyond the Stars" was an excellent episode. Not only was it a great episode in its own right, but I always enjoy seeing the alien characters out of their makeup.
 
2012-08-28 02:19:50 PM

Neums: Nope. It was when Starfleet wanted to base the latest version of the EMH's likeness on Julian, and his parents showed up and spilled the beans about his illegal genetic modification because he was a borderline tard as a young kid.

...and then they go and base it on Andy Dick. Hmmm...


Actually, Bashir was being assessed for the LMH (Long Term Medical Hologram), while Andy Dick was playing the new model EMH Mk II (Emergency Medical Hologram).
 
2012-08-28 02:20:13 PM

Cythraul: 11) That it's a rip-off of B5?


Most fans (and producers/crew) of both shows concede that the two pushed each other. Neither was a rip off. They were aware of each other so as soon as one show went somewhere special, the other had to outdo it. It made for very compelling sci-fi TV in the late 90s. Competition is healthy.
 
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