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2012-08-28 01:47:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Wyalt Derp: they give up any right to whine about something a pro-Obama superpac puts out (not that that will stop them).

I forgot where in the Constitution you give up your free speech rights based on complaining about a superpac ad.
Can you remind me where that is?


I think he was trying to say it would be extremely hypocritical, this is a word you wouldn't understand so I can see why you responded the way you did.
 
2012-08-28 01:51:07 PM  
 
2012-08-28 01:51:52 PM  
So, serious question. The article mentions it and it's been echoed here a couple times... When/why/how did the fact checking websites jump the shark?
 
2012-08-28 01:52:20 PM  

Mr.Tangent: "Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,"

If this were the case they wouldn't be fact checkers, they would be spin doctors.


It's like they think Ryan and Romney are above critique. Like two princes or something.
 
2012-08-28 01:53:08 PM  
Why shouldn't the federal government be spending a lot on welfare programs during the worst economic downturn since the 30s? Go fark yourself GOP, you ignorant, sadistic bastards.
 
2012-08-28 01:53:09 PM  
There's a list of things floating around on fark that are deliberately biased against the GOP. I guess someone needs to add 'fact-checkers' to the list.
 
2012-08-28 01:53:31 PM  

Darkwing: So, serious question. The article mentions it and it's been echoed here a couple times... When/why/how did the fact checking websites jump the shark?


You realize you're attempting to analyze the nature of a statement made by a guy who just said that the campaign he works on isn't going to limit itself to truthful statements, yes?
 
2012-08-28 01:56:40 PM  
Once again the Romney campaign shows that the only thing they're capable of being honest about is how farking evil they are.

Disgusting.
 
2012-08-28 01:59:55 PM  

gameshowhost: "The Wave"


Are you talking about the 30 yr old after school special???

ARE YOU???
 
2012-08-28 02:05:25 PM  
FTFA: "Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," he said.

They've gone so far off the derp end that they don't even know what a fact is anymore. No wonder its impossible to reason with them.
 
2012-08-28 02:06:17 PM  
"To lie in the service of God is not a sin." Liars are just doing God's work. Well, the Protestant God's work. That Catholic God can go nail himself to a door.
 
2012-08-28 02:07:30 PM  
The questions asking why Romney is running for president got me thinking a little. Not much, just a little.

Maybe this is Romney's mid-life crisis. As he famously said, he's 'unemployed.' He's got no prospects of future employment. I guess he could go back to Bain or start some kind of consulting firm, but essentially he's just a retiree sitting around bored looking for something to do.

Whereas some might go through a mid-life crisis and buy a sports car, or pick up a silly little drug habit or something, Mitt has decided he wants to be president. He has the money to do it and he'll just kind of robot his way on through, despite the gaffes, the lack of charisma and lack of ideas, because when he gets down to it, the alternative is just sitting around on his big, fat, pile of money and contemplating how he could possibly spend it all in one lifetime.

Running for president gives him something to do with his time.
 
2012-08-28 02:09:18 PM  

sabreWulf07: what_now: I worry about that last 5-6%

No problem, they'll just transfer the entirety of Ohio's vote count late on election night to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. Perform a moderate vote shift, ignore and downplay the wild discrepancy with the exit polls and declare surprise victory.


From your link:

That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.

That's creepy but it also smacks of conspiracy theory.
 
2012-08-28 02:15:22 PM  

clevershark: If Romney somehow ekes out a win I think we Canadians should build a fence along our southern border...


It'll never happen. The last time we spent money on border security all we got was a fake lake and some new gazebos hundreds of miles away from any border.
 
2012-08-28 02:16:02 PM  
The website PolitiFact is going to be truth-squadding the Republican convention speakers this week, delivering verdicts on which claims are "mostly true" and which deserve a "pants on fire" rating. Our advice: Pay no attention to those ratings. PolitiFact can't be trusted to get the story right.

Well, it's official. Mark your calendars: AUGUST 28, 2012 - the day Republicans officially declared war on facts.

Who has the "People/things conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America" list? We can finally add "Facts" to the list in a serious and non-joking matter.
 
2012-08-28 02:17:06 PM  

impaler: Well, it's official. Mark your calendars: AUGUST 28, 2012 - the day Republicans officially declared war on facts.


It's nice to finally have it official, though.
 
2012-08-28 02:19:46 PM  
I guess the forget that boolean equality operator in c++ is ==, not =.

if(value = false) always evaluates true.

//They should be using strncmp anyways.
 
2012-08-28 02:20:00 PM  

impaler: The website PolitiFact is going to be truth-squadding the Republican convention speakers this week, delivering verdicts on which claims are "mostly true" and which deserve a "pants on fire" rating. Our advice: Pay no attention to those ratings. PolitiFact can't be trusted to get the story right.

Well, it's official. Mark your calendars: AUGUST 28, 2012 - the day Republicans officially declared war on facts.

Who has the "People/things conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America" list? We can finally add "Facts" to the list in a serious and non-joking matter.


Remember: when Politifact decides the facts benefits Republicans, like when they said Paul Ryan wasn't ending Medicare, they're good. But when Politifact decides the facts benefit Democrats, like when they said there were no death panels in ObamaCares, they're worse than Satan.
 
2012-08-28 02:21:37 PM  

Darkwing: So, serious question. The article mentions it and it's been echoed here a couple times... When/why/how did the fact checking websites jump the shark?


When one of them declared that because the voucher system proposed by Paul Ryan to replace Medicare is still a program called Medicare, that it wasn't fundamentally changing Medicare as we know it.
 
2012-08-28 02:26:28 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?


Because if he isn't, the black guy is?
 
2012-08-28 02:31:42 PM  
In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his investments. With a net zero income, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts.

Real Americans don't fact-check.
 
2012-08-28 02:35:47 PM  
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact[s]"

FTFY
 
2012-08-28 02:40:24 PM  

imontheinternet: In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his investments. With a net zero income, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts.

Real Americans don't fact-check.


Hmmm. I'm trying to spice it up some. Does this work better, or is it too information heavy?

In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his U.S. investments. With a net zero income inside the United States, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts, despite making over $4 billion dollars in China that year.
 
2012-08-28 02:43:51 PM  
I can tell you right now that there are plenty of "conservatives" who have already adopted this strategy. I've rebutted points on FB with an acquaintance of mine. He will say in the comments, "No reason to read this as I can tell by the headline what points it's trying to make." And that's to politifact article.

When he posts a CBO link and claims Obama is cutting medicare by 700billion and the "blood of children" will be on Obama's plans I point out to him that it's b/c Republican governors are opting out of the medicaid expansion. After a FB thread that went on for probably a good 30 comments he suddenly vanished (it's his link/page!!!) and I haven't heard about that again.

So this is absolutely not surprising.
 
2012-08-28 02:44:09 PM  

paidhima: Mr.Tangent: "Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,"

If this were the case they wouldn't be fact checkers, they would be spin doctors.

It's like they think Ryan and Romney are above critique. Like two princes or something.


You bastard. You clever bastard.

/that's what I said now
 
2012-08-28 02:44:59 PM  
Mitt Romney knows he cant release 10 years of tax returns, because in 2002 Bain capital made $32,203,924,234 from managing Iraq's oil-for-food program.
 
2012-08-28 02:46:55 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?


Honestly, my guess is Mitt wants to be President because his dad never was, and Mitt needs that as some sort of weird validation thing.
 
2012-08-28 02:47:00 PM  

impaler: In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his U.S. investments. With a net zero income inside the United States, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts, despite making over $4 billion dollars in China that year.


Copypaste it to an email, add pictures of Romney looking evil and/or stupid, and forward it to every crazy uncle you can find.
 
2012-08-28 02:47:05 PM  

Bob16: Leo Strauss was right you know. We really do need "noble lies"


Well, I guess if you follow Strauss then there is no such thing as an assassination, just a "noble murder".

Actually there really is no such thing as assassinations now, although the world would be better off with a few.
 
2012-08-28 02:47:10 PM  
All right, Romney has clearly made his emotional peace with losing in the wake of literally everyone but Ryan turning him down when he asked if they'd run for VP.

Now he's just farking with us.

//I kind of approve, I think. Though he should have tried Herman Cain and really thrown it in our faces.
 
2012-08-28 02:48:12 PM  

impaler: imontheinternet: In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his investments. With a net zero income, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts.

Real Americans don't fact-check.

Hmmm. I'm trying to spice it up some. Does this work better, or is it too information heavy?

In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his U.S. investments. With a net zero income inside the United States, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts, despite making over $4 billion dollars in China that year.


Mitt Romney says that he lost millions of dollars in the Wall Street crash and was left broke by investment losses. He claims that he was forced to apply for food stamps in Massachusetts in order to keep his family fed. The only problem? He actually made millions of dollars from the Wall Street crash and stashed them all in overseas accounts in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. Can you trust a man who lies to his government and steals money from you?

I think you could make that into a 30-second TV ad.
 
2012-08-28 02:48:37 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?

Honestly, my guess is Mitt wants to be President because his dad never was, and Mitt needs that as some sort of weird validation thing.


On that note, I think Obama should mention Mitt's tax returns in the first 5 minutes of the first debate, and close the comment by saying "Your father would be so ashamed of you". Mitt would be completely flustered for the rest of it.
 
2012-08-28 02:50:55 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: RumsfeldsReplacement: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?

Honestly, my guess is Mitt wants to be President because his dad never was, and Mitt needs that as some sort of weird validation thing.

On that note, I think Obama should mention Mitt's tax returns in the first 5 minutes of the first debate, and close the comment by saying "Your father would be so ashamed of you". Mitt would be completely flustered for the rest of it.


Mittens would attack President Obama with scissors, & not the round tip ones his wife puts in his pocket for him.
 
2012-08-28 02:58:42 PM  

Serious Black: I think you could make that into a 30-second TV ad.


"In 2008, Mitt Romney claimed to be 61 years old. Now, he claims to be 65.

Which is it, Mitt? Better keep your story straight..."

// what every ad starts to sound like
// Mitt's a tot-muncher
 
2012-08-28 03:03:50 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // what every ad starts to sound like
// Mitt's a tot-muncher


Romney's the guy who lied to Wolf Blitzer about Mitt being his first name. You can't lampoon a guy like that oblivious.
 
2012-08-28 03:04:14 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: RumsfeldsReplacement: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?

Honestly, my guess is Mitt wants to be President because his dad never was, and Mitt needs that as some sort of weird validation thing.

On that note, I think Obama should mention Mitt's tax returns in the first 5 minutes of the first debate, and close the comment by saying "Your father would be so ashamed of you". Mitt would be completely flustered for the rest of it.



Even my Republican friends on FB agree he needs to at least publish as many years as his dad. They are Hannity/Rush mouthbreathers and this notion that he wont is driving them nuts. Of course Tommy Thompson flat out said no to publishing his until "after I'm elected" I cant believe more people are pissed about not sharing his tax returns
 
2012-08-28 03:09:24 PM  
Mitt says he released his 2010 tax returns for transparency to the American people, but he now admits he only did it because journalists fact checking his taxes for him was cheaper than hiring an accountant.
 
2012-08-28 03:11:56 PM  

Serious Black: impaler: imontheinternet: In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his investments. With a net zero income, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts.

Real Americans don't fact-check.

Hmmm. I'm trying to spice it up some. Does this work better, or is it too information heavy?

In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his U.S. investments. With a net zero income inside the United States, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts, despite making over $4 billion dollars in China that year.

Mitt Romney says that he lost millions of dollars in the Wall Street crash and was left broke by investment losses. He claims that he was forced to apply for food stamps in Massachusetts in order to keep his family fed. The only problem? He actually made millions of dollars from the Wall Street crash and stashed them all in overseas accounts in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. Can you trust a man who lies to his government and steals money from you?

I think you could make that into a 30-second TV ad.


Are you suggesting that MITT ROMNEY IS A WELFARE QUEEN!? I can't help but wonder what Fox News' primary audience would think if they believed that in addition to being an alleged tax cheat, there's also the possibility that MITT ROMNEY IS A WELFARE QUEEN!
 
2012-08-28 03:12:02 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Honestly, my guess is Mitt wants to be President because his dad never was, and Mitt needs that as some sort of weird validation thing.


Great - another patsy for the rich with daddy issues.
 
2012-08-28 03:13:34 PM  

api.photoshop.com

 
2012-08-28 03:21:24 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Darkwing: So, serious question. The article mentions it and it's been echoed here a couple times... When/why/how did the fact checking websites jump the shark?

You realize you're attempting to analyze the nature of a statement made by a guy who just said that the campaign he works on isn't going to limit itself to truthful statements, yes?


I'm just curious if it's a legitimate feeling by logical thinking folks or if it's a simply a case where a particular site did not parrot someone's personal interpretation of the "facts" and therefore the whole fact checking game is invalid. I frequent Politifact and they seems to upset folks on both sides... Which implies to me they are doing their jobs quite well.
 
2012-08-28 03:30:20 PM  

Darkwing: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Darkwing: So, serious question. The article mentions it and it's been echoed here a couple times... When/why/how did the fact checking websites jump the shark?

You realize you're attempting to analyze the nature of a statement made by a guy who just said that the campaign he works on isn't going to limit itself to truthful statements, yes?

I'm just curious if it's a legitimate feeling by logical thinking folks or if it's a simply a case where a particular site did not parrot someone's personal interpretation of the "facts" and therefore the whole fact checking game is invalid. I frequent Politifact and they seems to upset folks on both sides... Which implies to me they are doing their jobs quite well.


They tend to get into trouble when they consider context. A fact is a fact and shouldn't be vulnerable to interpretation based on context. It opens the door to "what was really meant...." At which point your factual accuracy is diminished.
 
2012-08-28 03:34:39 PM  

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: remember - this is the party of 'moral values'.

I am seriously going to have a farking aneurysm this election season. Every time the Romney campaign doubles down on an easily disproved lie about objective observable reality, my blood pressure rises measurably.


THIS. Me too. It pisses me off because the faith-based crowd I know gobbles it up. They'll take anything on faith and it just might ruin the goddamned world.
 
2012-08-28 03:46:54 PM  
Romneybot, you need an update.
 
2012-08-28 03:57:45 PM  

impaler: Mitt Romney knows he cant release 10 years of tax returns, because in 2002 Bain capital made $32,203,924,234 from managing Iraq's oil-for-food program.


I looked it up. That's not actually a real number. They don't go that high. Farking libs, making shiat up again. This is why no one trusts you.
 
2012-08-28 04:00:25 PM  

King Something: Serious Black: impaler: imontheinternet: In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his investments. With a net zero income, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts.

Real Americans don't fact-check.

Hmmm. I'm trying to spice it up some. Does this work better, or is it too information heavy?

In the '08 crash, Mitt Romney, like many others, took losses in his U.S. investments. With a net zero income inside the United States, Romney applied for and received food stamps from the state of Massachusetts, despite making over $4 billion dollars in China that year.

Mitt Romney says that he lost millions of dollars in the Wall Street crash and was left broke by investment losses. He claims that he was forced to apply for food stamps in Massachusetts in order to keep his family fed. The only problem? He actually made millions of dollars from the Wall Street crash and stashed them all in overseas accounts in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. Can you trust a man who lies to his government and steals money from you?

I think you could make that into a 30-second TV ad.

Are you suggesting that MITT ROMNEY IS A WELFARE QUEEN!? I can't help but wonder what Fox News' primary audience would think if they believed that in addition to being an alleged tax cheat, there's also the possibility that MITT ROMNEY IS A WELFARE QUEEN!


I'm sure it would go over gangbusters with that crew, just like how well the accusations of Mitt Romney being a heartless asshole went over with them.
 
2012-08-28 04:11:45 PM  

MithrandirBooga: what_now: Weaver95: nah, the Romney people can't possibly be that stupid! the headline is probably just and exaggeration.

*reads article*

Oh my f*cking gods....you said...with reporters standing....

*blink* *blink*

you people are screwed. completely, totally and in every possibly way...screwed.

No they aren't. 30% of the voters will automatically check his name off, and he's got enough money to convince 10-15% of the voters that Obama did something bad to them, personally.

I worry about that last 5-6%


Case in point:

Link

DeadAsshole.com's headline reads "Hallelujah! Romney to Media Fact-Checkers: Drop Dead" for this story.

The idiots are literally jubilant about the fact that Romney's campaign just said they aren't affected by facts in any way. At this point it's literally impossible to get any dumber than that.


I wouldn't put it past them. One always thinks it can't get dumber... and then it does. I've given up on setting a floor for the depths of human stupidity.
 
2012-08-28 04:15:08 PM  

MithrandirBooga: what_now: Weaver95: nah, the Romney people can't possibly be that stupid! the headline is probably just and exaggeration.

*reads article*

Oh my f*cking gods....you said...with reporters standing....

*blink* *blink*

you people are screwed. completely, totally and in every possibly way...screwed.

No they aren't. 30% of the voters will automatically check his name off, and he's got enough money to convince 10-15% of the voters that Obama did something bad to them, personally.

I worry about that last 5-6%


Case in point:

Link

DeadAsshole.com's headline reads "Hallelujah! Romney to Media Fact-Checkers: Drop Dead" for this story.

The idiots are literally jubilant about the fact that Romney's campaign just said they aren't affected by facts in any way. At this point it's literally impossible to get any dumber than that.


DON'T challenge them that way! They'll feel the need to prove you wrong and the rest of humanity will have strokes due to the sheer magnitude of the stupidity.

/then again perhaps that's the plan makes as much sense as anything else the republicans have said and done lately.
 
2012-08-28 04:49:07 PM  

Felgraf: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That's what I'm saying. Unless you believe that nihilism is, itself, evil - and I can certainly see the merit in such an argument - then Mitt Romney is not evil. He's just piling up honors and wealth for himself, for no other reason than that is what he does.

Well, while I don't believe Mitt Romney himself is evil (in part because that, in some ways, obviates him of responsibility: He only does bad things because that's all he can do, like a rabbiatchewing on crap), I will say that the way he does such is evil. But that's because I think I've gained a good bit of my definition of sin/evil from a Terry Pratchett book.

"And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."


Pratchett really does have a way of cutting through the crap,doesn't he?
 
2012-08-28 05:08:52 PM  

BrotherKalashnikov: Felgraf: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That's what I'm saying. Unless you believe that nihilism is, itself, evil - and I can certainly see the merit in such an argument - then Mitt Romney is not evil. He's just piling up honors and wealth for himself, for no other reason than that is what he does.

Well, while I don't believe Mitt Romney himself is evil (in part because that, in some ways, obviates him of responsibility: He only does bad things because that's all he can do, like a rabbiatchewing on crap), I will say that the way he does such is evil. But that's because I think I've gained a good bit of my definition of sin/evil from a Terry Pratchett book.

"And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."

Pratchett really does have a way of cutting through the crap,doesn't he?


Yes, yes he is.

He is my favorite author, and I began to read his books at a very influential time in my life. I need to get off my butt and finish my letter to him, while I can still send it to 'im.
 
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