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2012-08-28 01:20:17 PM

HeartBurnKid: He appears to crave power for power's sake


I agree. I see no reason for him to want power other than a desire to accumulate it. I'm not saying I think he is an evil man and will do bad things with power - though I do see him attempting to enrich himself further, because that's what he does: pile up wealth and power. Seemingly for their own sake. I really have no use for such a nihilist. There's just no point to Romney. He is a machine, designed and built to accumulate things for himself.
 
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2012-08-28 01:21:31 PM
He doesn't crave power for power's sake.

There is a huge payoff for Romney if he wins. There has to be.
 
2012-08-28 01:21:42 PM

d23: They're not screwed. If the U.S. public cared about honesty, logic, and facts then Willard would of been flat out on his ass months ago.

It's the most illogical and unfair campaign season since the gilded age. Mittens could release a video where if screws a black boy on the hood of his car and he would still get the right-wing nutter vote.


I think that is called a sandsusky continental.
 
2012-08-28 01:21:56 PM

what_now: Weaver95: nah, the Romney people can't possibly be that stupid! the headline is probably just and exaggeration.

*reads article*

Oh my f*cking gods....you said...with reporters standing....

*blink* *blink*

you people are screwed. completely, totally and in every possibly way...screwed.

No they aren't. 30% of the voters will automatically check his name off, and he's got enough money to convince 10-15% of the voters that Obama did something bad to them, personally.

I worry about that last 5-6%


I don't like to cloud my head full of "facts" and "a coherent understanding of my best interests". No, Sir, just a bunch of elitist nonsense. I like to call myself a "streamlined information" voter, in that I like to let as little actual information sway me as possible. Shiat, I don't even follow the news until about 2-3 hours the morning of election day.
 
2012-08-28 01:22:19 PM
If Romney somehow ekes out a win I think we Canadians should build a fence along our southern border...
 
2012-08-28 01:23:19 PM

clevershark: If Romney somehow ekes out a win I think we Canadians should build a fence along our southern border...


so you will be hiring?
 
2012-08-28 01:24:09 PM
"Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,"

If this were the case they wouldn't be fact checkers, they would be spin doctors.
 
2012-08-28 01:24:09 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Why in the hell does he want to be President?


Gordon Gekko bet him $10,000 that he couldn't do it.
 
2012-08-28 01:24:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We gutted welfare back in the 90's. There's not much left to get upset about. Maybe the GOP would be happier if we just brought back indentured servitude.


I know a Republican who has actually, seriously suggested that very thing, on multiple occasions.
 
2012-08-28 01:25:10 PM

d23: He doesn't crave power for power's sake.

There is a huge payoff for Romney if he wins. There has to be.


Romney has been given everything his entire life. it is not out of the realm of possibility that he truly believes that"deserves" the presidency in his mind. Just like his inheritance, he was born for this.
 
2012-08-28 01:25:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-28 01:25:34 PM

clevershark: If Romney somehow ekes out a win I think we Canadians should build a fence along our southern border...


Maybe we could reach an accord of some kind... build the wall at the Mason-Dixon line and just have a fully open border between the northern U.S. and Canada.
 
2012-08-28 01:26:34 PM
Cons don't need their facts checked. They would never lie.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/09/hbc-90005789

In an interview, the late Irving Kristol stated he was deeply indebted to Leo Strauss for an understanding of the "noble lie."
 
2012-08-28 01:26:50 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.

No. Romney just wants to be President. Everything he does is in service of that. If he lies, it's not because he is a liar (although the act of lying makes him one) it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president. If he acts like a sack of sh*t, it's not because he is a sack of sh*t (although the act of acting like a sack of sh*t does make him one), it's because he is ambitious and wants to be president.

My only question is why. Why in the hell does he want to be President?


He is the Chosen One.
 
2012-08-28 01:27:05 PM
Obviously the Romney campaign is to be commended for knowing the difference between Libfacts™ (verifiable data which runs counter to The Holy Narrative) and The Truth™ (rumors, innuendo and falsehoods that support The Holy Narrative).
 
2012-08-28 01:27:11 PM

d23: There is a huge payoff for Romney if he wins. There has to be.


Why? Why can't he just be in it for the win? If anything, his apparent inability to prepare for simple complications in the future - such as the inevitable questions about his finances, and the fact that he only held companies long enough to rape the sh*t out of them and suck the marrow from their bones - describes a man that just wants what he wants when he wants it. He piles up his treasure higher and higher, with seemingly no greater purpose than to stack paper to the ceiling. He doesn't build anything. He hasn't created anything. What is he, then, if not simply an accumulation machine?
 
2012-08-28 01:27:15 PM
Who needs to worry bother with measly facts when you have one of these:

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-08-28 01:27:36 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: HeartBurnKid: He appears to crave power for power's sake

I agree. I see no reason for him to want power other than a desire to accumulate it. I'm not saying I think he is an evil man and will do bad things with power - though I do see him attempting to enrich himself further, because that's what he does: pile up wealth and power. Seemingly for their own sake. I really have no use for such a nihilist. There's just no point to Romney. He is a machine, designed and built to accumulate things for himself.


I don't think he, himself, is an evil man-- but I think he's probably going to be easily manipulated by people who maybe aren't such boring glasses of milk.
 
2012-08-28 01:27:41 PM
Romney camp: "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact"

Brietbarted.... but horrifyingly still accurate, apparently....
 
2012-08-28 01:28:35 PM
Jackson Herring 2012-08-28 01:07:55 PM

Weaver95: remember - this is the party of 'moral values'.

I am seriously going to have a farking aneurysm this election season. Every time the Romney campaign doubles down on an easily disproved lie about objective observable reality, my blood pressure rises measurably.


PINK FLOYD, BOOZE, CATNIP, NASA TV - 2012
 
2012-08-28 01:28:42 PM
 
2012-08-28 01:29:36 PM
I'll say it again: it's surreal to see the right in such a froth over the president giving decision making responsibility back to the states.
 
2012-08-28 01:29:46 PM

violetvolume: I don't think he, himself, is an evil man-- but I think he's probably going to be easily manipulated by people who maybe aren't such boring glasses of milk.


He could be just as easily manipulated by good people, too. All he needs is more for himself and it will happen. But I don't think that's how it will go down. You're probably right.
 
2012-08-28 01:29:54 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We gutted welfare back in the 90's. There's not much left to get upset about. Maybe the GOP would be happier if we just brought back indentured servitude.


Indentured servitude is a slander term for servitude of personal responsibility. If you can't pay your debts by your own means you will be made responsible and your creditor will get to decide how you will live up to your responsibility. No debt no problem. Don't let people steal by not paying back loans.
 
2012-08-28 01:29:55 PM
You know, I try my very hardest not to look at Mitt Romney as an evil person because, in many respects, I don't think he is evil. I just don't see any possible viewpoint that makes this kind of behavior not sociopathic and egotistical.
 
2012-08-28 01:29:57 PM

gameshowhost: Politifact certainly fell apart in a hurry.

/the funny thing is that the gop's bullshiat/whining is what destroyed the place


Most "fact checking" is just opinion / editorial anyway. Not so much combing over speeches / debates for stated facts, then checking for accuracy. Washington Post is particularly bad. Granted, it's not made easy by the language politicians use.
 
2012-08-28 01:30:22 PM
"Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," he said. The fact-checkers - whose institutional rise has been a feature of the cycle - have "jumped the shark," he added after the panel.

Yeah, the "thoughts and beliefs" of making sure that your claims are based in reality, you stupid moron.

Seriously, Obama need to use this damn quote, that's all the campaign has to say.
 
2012-08-28 01:31:07 PM
"Our most effective ad is our welfare ad," a top television advertising strategist for Romney, Ashley O'Connor, said at a forum Tuesday hosted by ABCNews and Yahoo! News. "It's new information."

ie, a total fabrication.

When Romney's own campaign is outright making stuff up, they give up any right to whine about something a pro-Obama superpac puts out (not that that will stop them).
 
2012-08-28 01:31:27 PM
Leo Strauss was right you know. We really do need "noble lies"

Just remember all the "good" and "noble" consequences of the WMDs lie.

Half a million dead Iraqis for no farking reason was a noble accomplishment.
 
2012-08-28 01:31:34 PM
The election, Fehrnstrom said, "will be a referendum on the president's handling of the economy."

Good luck with that, rapist.
 
2012-08-28 01:31:52 PM

Jackson Herring: Obama should do an ad where he sticks Rafalca's head in the freezer and farks her from behind.0


YOU LEAVE RAFALCA ALONE!!!
 
2012-08-28 01:32:16 PM

DeaH: "The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


I've always been fascinated by that notion. The universe proves time and again it has absolutely no use for people that believe such things, but they go on believing it anyway. Right up until the universe points them in the direction of a place like Afghanistan or drops a tumor on their brain stem.
 
2012-08-28 01:32:25 PM

Jackson Herring: "Our most effective ad is our welfare ad," a top television advertising strategist for Romney, Ashley O'Connor, said at a forum Tuesday hosted by ABCNews and Yahoo! News. "It's new information."

farking kill yourselves, you disgusting farking human trash cans


Please don't insult cans like this.
 
2012-08-28 01:33:51 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: DeaH: "The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

I've always been fascinated by that notion. The universe proves time and again it has absolutely no use for people that believe such things, but they go on believing it anyway. Right up until the universe points them in the direction of a place like Afghanistan or drops a tumor on their brain stem.


Oh, I agree. But I would like to point out that less than a month later, Bush won a second term.
 
2012-08-28 01:34:01 PM

Serious Black: You know, I try my very hardest not to look at Mitt Romney as an evil person because, in many respects, I don't think he is evil. I just don't see any possible viewpoint that makes this kind of behavior not sociopathic and egotistical.


That's what I'm saying. Unless you believe that nihilism is, itself, evil - and I can certainly see the merit in such an argument - then Mitt Romney is not evil. He's just piling up honors and wealth for himself, for no other reason than that is what he does.
 
2012-08-28 01:35:52 PM
Lies and hyperbole.......it is ALL the GOP has.
 
2012-08-28 01:37:55 PM

Erix: I'll say it again: it's surreal to see the right in such a froth over the president giving decision making responsibility back to the states.


Also, didn't Romney lobby the WH as governor of MA for such a waiver back in 2005?

Why yes. Yes he did.

// that last link is a PDF copy of a letter from the RGA - including one Willard Chesterforth Mittens Montgomery Framingham Romney IV - to then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist asking for "increased waiver authority" in administering TANF
 
2012-08-28 01:38:08 PM

Lando Lincoln:
"For years, the GOP has been burdened with facts stopping us from getting public support for our insane ideas. But what if we simply ignore facts from here on out? What if we just make up a whole bunch of crazy shiat, and say that it's true, and say that the people who say that our lies aren't true are just part of the liberal conspiracy? This is our best game plan, and we're moving forward with it."


That's been the plan for the couple of years or so, it seems.
 
2012-08-28 01:38:30 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That's what I'm saying. Unless you believe that nihilism is, itself, evil - and I can certainly see the merit in such an argument - then Mitt Romney is not evil. He's just piling up honors and wealth for himself, for no other reason than that is what he does.


Well, while I don't believe Mitt Romney himself is evil (in part because that, in some ways, obviates him of responsibility: He only does bad things because that's all he can do, like a rabbiatchewing on crap), I will say that the way he does such is evil. But that's because I think I've gained a good bit of my definition of sin/evil from a Terry Pratchett book.

"And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."
 
2012-08-28 01:39:32 PM
I hope that in the future, our children will all be able to look back on the GOP of 2012 and just shake their heads in disbelief that people actually thought that way.
 
2012-08-28 01:40:07 PM

FlashHarry: these guys are borderline obscene.

the welfare attack is pure racist dog whistle shiat. not only is it completely untrue - romney himself lobbied for the same provisions as governor of mass.

romney is a racist, lying sack of shiat. that's all.


Forgive him, see, his wife had a miscarriage in 1989. Somehow, they felt this was also relevant to his qualifications for President. Facts have no place in politics.
 
2012-08-28 01:40:17 PM

Felgraf: "And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."


I like that. But that makes me a sinner, because I believe Mitt Romney is a thing - in the same sense that Bender is a thing.
 
2012-08-28 01:40:43 PM
I would turn right around and make this an ad, if I were a Democratic strategist. And broaden it -- apply it to everything Romney has said or done. And punctuate it hard, with the closing:

"The fact is, Romney is unfit to lead."
 
2012-08-28 01:42:09 PM

Wyalt Derp: they give up any right to whine about something a pro-Obama superpac puts out (not that that will stop them).


I forgot where in the Constitution you give up your free speech rights based on complaining about a superpac ad.
Can you remind me where that is?
 
2012-08-28 01:42:26 PM
It wouldn't take much to persuade me that Romney is actually a decent human being in person. Not nearly as charismatic and suave as Obama, but not a greedy, selfish bastard.

But he's going to lose this campaign because he has surrounded himself with the most blatantly incompetent morons. Every day I think I have a handle on how retarded they can be, and almost every day they surprise the living shiat out of me.
 
2012-08-28 01:43:12 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Felgraf: "And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."

I like that. But that makes me a sinner, because I believe Mitt Romney is a thing - in the same sense that Bender is a thing.


I dunno, I think of Bender as a person, in some ways. A mechanical person, but still a person.
/Plus, everyone screws up/thinks evil things/sins etc. It's part of the human condition! The key is to realizing your doing it, I think...
 
2012-08-28 01:43:55 PM

teeny: It wouldn't take much to persuade me that Romney is actually a decent human being in person. Not nearly as charismatic and suave as Obama, but not a greedy, selfish bastard.


How much would it take to convince you I am a Nigerian prince and I need you to give me your bank account numbers so I can hide some of my vast wealth with you for a little while?
 
2012-08-28 01:44:05 PM
Ignoring all semblance of tact
Romney's aides have finally cracked.
They said, right out loud
"Our campaign won't be cowed
by people who choose to check facts.

Link
 
2012-08-28 01:45:29 PM
Even though the facts show that Romney is a pathological liar, my gut feelings are telling me that he would be a great President.
 
2012-08-28 01:46:44 PM

what_now: Weaver95: nah, the Romney people can't possibly be that stupid! the headline is probably just and exaggeration.

*reads article*

Oh my f*cking gods....you said...with reporters standing....

*blink* *blink*

you people are screwed. completely, totally and in every possibly way...screwed.

No they aren't. 30% of the voters will automatically check his name off, and he's got enough money to convince 10-15% of the voters that Obama did something bad to them, personally.

I worry about that last 5-6%



Case in point:

Link

DeadAsshole.com's headline reads "Hallelujah! Romney to Media Fact-Checkers: Drop Dead" for this story.

The idiots are literally jubilant about the fact that Romney's campaign just said they aren't affected by facts in any way. At this point it's literally impossible to get any dumber than that.
 
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