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(Yahoo)   The 2013 Ford C-Max Hybrid will mark two firsts in the US. The first real American challenger to the Prius and the first time you can potentially use Ford and smug in the same sentence   (autos.yahoo.com) divider line 38
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2012-08-28 11:59:57 AM
Good gravy that's a busy dash
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All of those electronics and no digital speedometer?
 
2012-08-28 12:42:40 PM
So it's a bloated Focus?
 
2012-08-28 12:44:30 PM
Or you could buy a B or C segment, use slightly more gas, but pocket the $10k difference in price that you'll never make up in gas savings with either a C-Max or a Prius.
 
2012-08-28 12:44:31 PM
FTFA: Enter the 2013 Ford C-Max Hybrid, a five-passenger tall hatchback that, like the Prius, will only succeed or fail as a hybrid.

Deep thoughts.
 
2012-08-28 12:50:51 PM
I bet that car is just sitting there right now thinking about how much better it is than you.
 
2012-08-28 12:51:51 PM
I can see insurance companies boosting the rates for cars with these flexible, programmable displays. My van is strictly knobs and switches. Everything is in the same place every day. I don't have to look at the dashboard to do anything, except check my speed. Much safer.
 
2012-08-28 12:59:26 PM

Hot Carl To Go: FTFA: Enter the 2013 Ford C-Max Hybrid, a five-passenger tall hatchback that, like the Prius, will only succeed or fail as a hybrid.

Deep thoughts.


I think they mean as opposed to things like the Fusion Hybrid. Unlike the Fusion, the C-Max will be only a hybrid, not a regular car with an optional hybrid drivetrain.

/ whatever, as long as it doesn't have the gawdawful double-clutch automatic gearbox they put in some of their recent cars.... that thing is the worst transmission EVER.
// offer the six-speed manual on Focuses other than the base model, idiots!
 
2012-08-28 01:09:55 PM
I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?
 
2012-08-28 01:25:56 PM
it's not a Prius killer, it's a Prius V knockoff.

Make something smaller for those who don't need a glorified station wagon, and i'd bet Ford could be competitive.
 
2012-08-28 01:27:09 PM

Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?


stpauler: Good gravy that's a busy dash
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All of those electronics and no digital speedometer?


Still not as bad as button-happy Hondas and Acuras.
 
2012-08-28 01:27:45 PM
There's a couple Escape Hybrids in the pool car fleet. They're actually my favourite of the pool cars. They're comfortable and roomy. There is no shudder between the electric and gas engine engagement like on our Civic Hybrid.
 
2012-08-28 01:30:02 PM

Andy Andy: it's not a Prius killer, it's a Prius V knockoff.
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If you actually RTFA, the power plant and drivetrain are completely different.
 
2012-08-28 01:32:46 PM

natazha: I can see insurance companies boosting the rates for cars with these flexible, programmable displays. My van is strictly knobs and switches. Everything is in the same place every day. I don't have to look at the dashboard to do anything, except check my speed. Much safer.


These fancy dashes will look very outdated in a few years and be inoperable in 10.
 
2012-08-28 01:39:09 PM

Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?


Someone at the EPA HATES diesel vehicles and has set NOx regulations that are different from any other country in the world and very difficult to meet in a small car. The Holy Pickup Truck doesn't have to meet the standards, so they chuff along.
 
2012-08-28 01:52:36 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: // offer the six-speed manual on Focuses other than the base model, idiots!


The 6-speed will only be available with the upcoming ST. A 5-speed stick is available on the top-level Titanium as an option.
 
2012-08-28 02:00:22 PM

ptr2void: The 6-speed will only be available with the upcoming ST. A 5-speed stick is available on the top-level Titanium as an option.


Looks like they changed it around for 2013 and off the 5-speed on everything now. Good. That double-clutch was a complete POS. It was like riding in a car with somebody who'd never driven a stick before but there's nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-08-28 02:32:52 PM
Agreed. The tranny just can't wait to get out of first gear. It's bizarre. I also found the go pedal a little too close to the brake. But I might just test out an ST, given the three pedals with the six-speed. If the six-speed was available on the Titanium I'd consider that.
 
2012-08-28 03:16:33 PM

Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?


Chevrolet Cruze, next spring.
 
2012-08-28 03:17:41 PM
If they'd just import their more efficient and less polluting C-Max from the UK (Link), they wouldn't have to use batteries to push the car to its limit of a combined 44mpg.


They would already have 54mpg on just diesel.
 
2012-08-28 03:51:06 PM

Alphakronik: If they'd just import their more efficient and less polluting C-Max from the UK (Link), they wouldn't have to use batteries to push the car to its limit of a combined 44mpg.


They would already have 54mpg on just diesel.


Those 50+ mpg numbers are in imperial gallons.
 
2012-08-28 04:04:22 PM

dumbobruni: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Chevrolet Cruze, next spring.


Awesome; I had heard they were bringing the Cruze diesel to the US. Where's it going to be manufactured, though? :)
 
2012-08-28 04:19:02 PM

oldass31: Alphakronik: If they'd just import their more efficient and less polluting C-Max from the UK (Link), they wouldn't have to use batteries to push the car to its limit of a combined 44mpg.

They would already have 54mpg on just diesel.

Those 50+ mpg numbers are in imperial gallons.


Also on the same European testing cycle that rates a regular Prius as 76.3 mpg.
 
2012-08-28 04:34:39 PM

natazha: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Someone at the EPA HATES diesel vehicles and has set NOx regulations that are different from any other country in the world and very difficult to meet in a small car. The Holy Pickup Truck doesn't have to meet the standards, so they chuff along.


^^
That.

And according to the specs for the US equivalent of Mrs Poopy's (UK) diesel Merc, to meet the standards farks both the power AND fuel economy.
 
2012-08-28 04:41:22 PM

Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?


YES!
 
2012-08-28 04:41:38 PM

MrSteve007: oldass31: Alphakronik: If they'd just import their more efficient and less polluting C-Max from the UK (Link), they wouldn't have to use batteries to push the car to its limit of a combined 44mpg.

They would already have 54mpg on just diesel.

Those 50+ mpg numbers are in imperial gallons.

Also on the same European testing cycle that rates a regular Prius as 76.3 mpg.


Knowing a couple of folks with Euro Priuses - that 76.3 mpg isn't realistic. The figure for the diesel probably isn't far off.

I suspect many Euro Prius owners won't be buying another.

/ Not a hater: Prius is a beautiful piece of engineering. But not necessarily a great car for the money...
 
2012-08-28 04:42:52 PM

Lord Dimwit: dumbobruni: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Chevrolet Cruze, next spring.

Awesome; I had heard they were bringing the Cruze diesel to the US. Where's it going to be manufactured, though? :)


Ohio
 
2012-08-28 04:44:58 PM

opiumpoopy: MrSteve007: oldass31: Alphakronik:

Those 50+ mpg numbers are in imperial gallons.


True. Multiply by 5/6 (near enough) to convert from Imperial to US, dear readers.
 
2012-08-28 04:49:32 PM
Another UAW POS. YAAAWWWWWWWNNNN
 
2012-08-28 06:47:41 PM

natazha: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Someone at the EPA HATES diesel vehicles and has set NOx regulations that are different from any other country in the world and very difficult to meet in a small car. The Holy Pickup Truck doesn't have to meet the standards, so they chuff along.


Truth. Took forever for BMW and VW to get one to come across.
 
2012-08-28 09:54:44 PM
^^^^
I dont know about that. Volkswagen sells a tourquey TDI Jetta in California. And if they can sell that here, then they can sell that anywhere in the US. I think cost and the bad reputation it has with baby boomers is more the culprit.
 
2012-08-28 10:24:08 PM
Something else to burn up in the garage.
 
2012-08-28 10:28:37 PM
So cutting edge, it only took them 12 years to get around to making one.

I hope it's a decent car. I like the idea of cleaner air.

Someone above mentioned the 10K difference in price with a regular car. Yeah, I looked at a P1 and an Echo. The P1 was 10K more than the Echo. Had the P1 for 10 years. The thing with the Prius is that you get to visit the gas station less often. This is nice when you're on a long road trip and it's late on Sunday night. Not a lot of gas stations on I5 between LAX and PDX, I tellya.
 
2012-08-29 12:39:55 AM
As a smug Prius owner, I'll be the first to say Ford's the only US car-maker who's made a quality hybrid product in the Escape Hybrid. Ford licensed Toyota patents in exchange for Toyota licensing some of Ford's EU patents, but whatever. It's a good car. I'm sure this one will be good car too, as opposed to every other US car-maker's half-assed attempt at a gas/electric hybrid.
 
2012-08-29 07:14:23 AM

Sword and Shield: natazha: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Someone at the EPA HATES diesel vehicles and has set NOx regulations that are different from any other country in the world and very difficult to meet in a small car. The Holy Pickup Truck doesn't have to meet the standards, so they chuff along.

Truth. Took forever for BMW and VW to get one to come across.


VW has been selling diesel Jettas continuously in North America since at least the 80s.
 
2012-08-29 03:21:23 PM
And the price tag is..
 
2012-08-29 05:16:45 PM

opiumpoopy: But not necessarily a great car for the money...



Congratulations at missing the point. It's not an econobox, it's not designed to save you money. It's designed to not emit many emissions and use a lot less gas.
 
2012-08-29 11:24:38 PM

Mose: Sword and Shield: natazha: Lord Dimwit: I would pay real, American money for an American-built diesel sedan. Why is that so hard?

Someone at the EPA HATES diesel vehicles and has set NOx regulations that are different from any other country in the world and very difficult to meet in a small car. The Holy Pickup Truck doesn't have to meet the standards, so they chuff along.

Truth. Took forever for BMW and VW to get one to come across.

VW has been selling diesel Jettas continuously in North America since at least the 80s.

Yes, and they existed in Germany in the Mid 70s. Still took a decade.
 
2012-08-30 02:50:15 PM

intelligent comment below: opiumpoopy: But not necessarily a great car for the money...


Congratulations at missing the point. It's not an econobox, it's not designed to save you money. It's designed to not emit many emissions and use a lot less gas.


People told me I was stupid to get a hybrid and told me I wasn't going to save money. That wasn't the point. I wanted to use less fuel. I have relatives who survived 9/11 both in DC and in NYC. The only reason the US is messing with the middle east is their oil fields.
 
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