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(NYPost)   In Mexico, a voter must provide a photo, a signature and a thumbprint. The voter-registration card includes holographic security, a magnetic code and a serial number. But asking a voter for ID in the United States is presumably racist   (nypost.com) divider line 340
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2012-08-28 10:18:12 AM  
Did Mexico have a serious problem with personation or multiple voting? Because the US doesn't, and the comparison is about as retarded as I would expect from the NY Post.

The US has a vanishingly small incidence of voter fraud, so apparently voter ID laws in the US are for some other purpose. I wonder what that could possibly be?
 
2012-08-28 10:19:54 AM  
Conservatives: the U. S. is the greatest country in the world! The only thing that would make it better is to be more like Mexico!
 
2012-08-28 10:26:27 AM  
So the GOP wants a national ID card now?
 
2012-08-28 10:27:05 AM  
If only we didn't have that pesky Constitution. Then, America could be MORE like Mexico.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 10:37:22 AM  
Yes, and in Mexico, gay marriage is legal.

Your move, GOP.
 
2012-08-28 10:41:44 AM  
Mexico also has socialized medicine.
 
2012-08-28 10:43:50 AM  
And yet 100% of people who vote in Mexico's elections are illegal immigrants.
 
2012-08-28 10:43:50 AM  
I think the Republicans are also fine with requiring all those things of anyone who looks like they might be Mexican.
 
2012-08-28 10:44:13 AM  
Voting Rights Act of 1964.

Shut the fark up you worthless piece of shiat.
 
2012-08-28 10:44:29 AM  
And in Mexico, the government provides those cards for free.
 
2012-08-28 10:49:28 AM  
Do elections really matter in MExico? I mean the politicians there are probably all really corrupt and controlled by those cold-blooded, well-funded cartels looking to protect their business.
 
2012-08-28 10:58:43 AM  
It's almost like Mexico is a different country, with different rules, laws, and precedents covering its voting process.
 
2012-08-28 10:58:47 AM  
Is this what we're saying, now, GOP?

Don't have medical care like Sweden and Canada, even though it's cheaper and covers everyone.

Have a political system like Mexico, which is falling apart.

These are the talking points?
 
2012-08-28 11:03:19 AM  

Dinki: So the GOP wants a national ID card now?


Mark of the Beast if you ask me.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 11:07:22 AM  

Rincewind53: And in Mexico, the government provides those cards for free.


And not just to people who are likely to vote for a particular power.
 
2012-08-28 11:15:44 AM  

Dinki: So the GOP wants a national ID card now?


Bush signed the Real ID Act which would be the gateway for a national ID system. Obama pushed for the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace... another step towards National ID's. I don't think it's just a GOP thing (though their push in the voter ID thing is a bit unwarranted)
 
2012-08-28 11:34:24 AM  
So we should be more like Mexico?
 
2012-08-28 11:35:52 AM  
And that page comment section is quite the display of herp and derp.

Unfortunately, these idiots get to vote.
 
2012-08-28 11:36:16 AM  
Mexico sounds like just what these guys are looking for.  I say we help them pack.
 
2012-08-28 11:39:08 AM  
I have no problem with voter ID laws.

AS LONG AS WE PROVIDE THOSE IDS FOR FREE.

You see, there is this pesky thing in the constitution about a poll tax, etc...
 
2012-08-28 11:47:51 AM  
Of course, the real objection to requiring voter ID isn't based in civil rights, but in civil wrongs. With elections often decided by narrow margins, the ability to produce a few thousand more ballots can often swing the results. (In Minnesota's 2008 disputed US Senate election, won by Al Franken - who proceeded to cast the deciding vote in favor of ObamaCare - the margin of victory was 312, but it turned out that 1,099 votes were cast by felons who were ineligible to vote. Many of them have gone to jail, but Franken has remained in the Senate).

"Many of them have gone to jail..." Notice the nice rhetorical trick? Six felons were charged with illegally registering in the 2008 election. Of course, to the NY Post, that doesn't mean that there were only 6 proved cases of fraud out of the alleged 1,099 that their biased source drummed up. It means the rest of them just got away with it (and voted for Franken, of course, because they're felons).

FYI: News Corp is a member of ALEC, the corporate lobby that wrote the Voter ID amendment getting voted on in Minnesota in November. Because if there's one thing the Constitution is for, it's limiting citizen voter rights.
 
2012-08-28 11:48:47 AM  
Of course, the real objection to requiring voter ID isn't based in civil rights, but in civil wrongs. With elections often decided by narrow margins, the ability to produce a few thousand more ballots can often swing the results. (In Minnesota's 2008 disputed US Senate election, won by Al Franken - who proceeded to cast the deciding vote in favor of ObamaCare - the margin of victory was 312, but it turned out that 1,099 votes were cast by felons who were ineligible to vote. Many of them have gone to jail, but Franken has remained in the Senate).

That horse, it's dead Jim.

Inapt analogy is inapt and disregards the fact that the GOP have outright admitted they are promoting new ID laws and using other voter suppression techniques like caging, trying to prevent early voting, last minute disinformation campaigns, etc for purely political reasons and not because voter fraud actually exists but go on herping that derp.

Tell it to the choir, preacher man, I aint buying.
 
2012-08-28 11:51:14 AM  
Did Mexico put those voter ID laws in place just before an election?
 
2012-08-28 11:53:31 AM  
This isn't Mexico.
 
2012-08-28 12:07:04 PM  
I thought that looking to other countries for ideas was un-American? THESE ARE NOT MY BREITBART REPUBLICANS
 
2012-08-28 12:44:24 PM  
(In Minnesota's 2008 disputed US Senate election, won by Al Franken - who proceeded to cast the deciding vote in favor of ObamaCare - the margin of victory was 312, but it turned out that 1,099 votes were cast by felons who were ineligible to vote. Many of them have gone to jail, but Franken has remained in the Senate).

Am I to assume that all 1,099 votes cast by felons were for Franken?
Am I to assume that those felons were all individual felons, or did you find 80 John Smiths who voted and 1 John Smith who was on parole?
Am I to assume that they went to jail for voting illegally, or did they get sent to the hoosegow for something else entirely?

NY Post, I know what people say when you assume, but I'm changing it this time. You're making an ass out of just yourself.
 
2012-08-28 12:47:30 PM  
Also, am I the only one who believes that newspaper articles should include citations of the facts and studies they reference in their articles; at least on the online articles? I realize they may not have space available on the print versions.
 
2012-08-28 12:52:26 PM  
FTA: The irony is that it is precisely the people who Eric Holder et al. purport to speak for - poor, often black, inner-city residents - who suffer the most from voter fraud.

Many of America's largest and worst-governed cities suffer from entrenched and corrupt political machines that maintain their position in no small part via voter fraud.


Oh, so, the NY Post has evidence of this massive campaign of voter fraud . . . no? Figures. Just more lying about the issue then.
 
2012-08-28 12:54:27 PM  
How much do mexicans pay for their national ID or is their national ID free??
LOL
 
2012-08-28 12:55:31 PM  
So the Post is saying that the US needs a nationally-issued ID card, free of charge?
 
2012-08-28 12:56:37 PM  
Also, might I add, fark The Post.
 
2012-08-28 01:05:40 PM  
So America's government should defer to Mexico? I've just about had it with you goddamn commies and your One World Government. America is exceptional and that's that.
 
2012-08-28 01:06:38 PM  
Hey, if the US Government wants to provide, FOR FREE, a "Voter ID" for EVERY eligible voter, I'm personally fine with that.

The problem here is the Republican party effectively changing the rules immediately proceeding an election to disenfranchise millions of predominantly Democratic voters. And worse yet...they're farkING ADMITTING TO IT.

You want a case of elections fraud? THERE IT farkING IS. Republicans are using voter ID laws to commit election fraud.
 
2012-08-28 01:22:19 PM  
Voter ID is unnecessary, free or not. We should make it as easy as possible to vote.
 
2012-08-28 01:25:56 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Voter ID is unnecessary, free or not. We should make it as easy as possible to vote.


Online voting when it comes will change democracy as we know it.
 
2012-08-28 01:28:14 PM  

quatchi: Online voting when it comes will change democracy as we know it.


It's possible. That and higher education.
 
2012-08-28 01:29:47 PM  

Samalie: Hey, if the US Government wants to provide, FOR FREE, a "Voter ID" for EVERY eligible voter, I'm personally fine with that.

The problem here is the Republican party effectively changing the rules immediately proceeding an election to disenfranchise millions of predominantly Democratic voters. And worse yet...they're farkING ADMITTING TO IT.

You want a case of elections fraud? THERE IT farkING IS. Republicans are using voter ID laws to commit election fraud.


I'm in the same boat. I have no problem with Voter ID in principle. It's just the fact that it's a completely, 100% partisan adventure in voter disenfranchisement that royally pisses me off. There only has to be one case of an old lady losing the right to vote to make the whole concept sour for me. Especially since it's a fix in search of a problem.

Not to mention, it doesn't make political sense. Why would the party of freedom and small government want to surrender their precious voting rights to government bureaucracy? Via the Constitution? Absolute bunk. We should all FIGHT for our voting rights. The freer the better until fraud is proven to be a problem.
 
2012-08-28 01:35:44 PM  

Rincewind53: And in Mexico, the government provides those cards for free.


^^^^^^^^^^

Also, the voting card also serves as a national identity document.
 
2012-08-28 01:39:44 PM  
If these cards were given gratis then there would be no legal leg to stand on. Until you make them gratis, you will be challenged day after day.
 
2012-08-28 02:07:48 PM  

cman: If these cards were given gratis then there would be no legal leg to stand on. Until you make them gratis, you will be challenged day after day.


Cost isn't the only difficulty. Another is lost/missing/stolen prior documentation, leading to lawsuits by people who've voted in every election for the past 67 years getting pissed that they have to produce a birth certificate as proof of citizenship to get a state photo ID... and the county clerk's office insists on a state photo ID before handing over a copy of their birth certificate.
 
2012-08-28 02:11:51 PM  

abb3w: cman: If these cards were given gratis then there would be no legal leg to stand on. Until you make them gratis, you will be challenged day after day.

Cost isn't the only difficulty. Another is lost/missing/stolen prior documentation, leading to lawsuits by people who've voted in every election for the past 67 years getting pissed that they have to produce a birth certificate as proof of citizenship to get a state photo ID... and the county clerk's office insists on a state photo ID before handing over a copy of their birth certificate.


I really dont know much about each state law. I was able to secure a "Certificate of Live Birth" from my birth state Virginia online with no documentation whatsoever. It was strange, their process. All they did is gave me multiple choice questions that had to deal with my history to determine that I was who I said I was. No written documents at all. Not even a mail in signature on some sort of application.
 
2012-08-28 02:17:44 PM  
I know people argue that it's possible to not have an sort of photo identification, but I still can't conceive how that is possible? How do you get a job, open a bank account, use a debit or credit card, apply for financial assistance? I supposed I could see how it might be possible to be really, really old and not have an UPDATED form of identification, but the idea that a person could exist without anything at all to identify themselves is mystifying to me.
 
2012-08-28 02:26:36 PM  

spman: I know people argue that it's possible to not have an sort of photo identification, but I still can't conceive how that is possible?


Yes, we know, as you remind us of this in every voter ID thread while ignoring the examples provided to you in every voter ID thread.
 
2012-08-28 02:29:05 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: spman: I know people argue that it's possible to not have an sort of photo identification, but I still can't conceive how that is possible?

Yes, we know, as you remind us of this in every voter ID thread while ignoring the examples provided to you in every voter ID thread.


Or all the countless examples provided of people who are unfairly targeted by these laws.
 
2012-08-28 02:34:36 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: spman: I know people argue that it's possible to not have an sort of photo identification, but I still can't conceive how that is possible?

Yes, we know, as you remind us of this in every voter ID thread while ignoring the examples provided to you in every voter ID thread.


Every voted ID thread? You mean the one time I brought it up in the last one? The one where no one answered my above questions? I'm not asking how it's possible, I know it IS, what I don't understand is how people can function without one, and that's not a question that has been satisfactorily answered. But don't let your lack of reading comprehension get in the way of your hyperbole.
 
2012-08-28 02:38:16 PM  

netizencain: Dinki: So the GOP wants a national ID card now?

Bush signed the Real ID Act which would be the gateway for a national ID system. Obama pushed for the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace... another step towards National ID's. I don't think it's just a GOP thing (though their push in the voter ID thing is a bit unwarranted)


Yeah, REAL ID sounds like it's a national ID card, but it's not. All it does is set standards for state issued drivers licenses. Standards that all 50 states requested waivers and extensions on.
 
2012-08-28 02:45:34 PM  

spman: what I don't understand is how people can function without one, and that's not a question that has been satisfactorily answered.


You should take some time to go find some answers to your questions.

For now, since we agree it is possible, we'll start the conversation from there.
 
2012-08-28 02:47:49 PM  

spman: Dusk-You-n-Me: spman: I know people argue that it's possible to not have an sort of photo identification, but I still can't conceive how that is possible?

Yes, we know, as you remind us of this in every voter ID thread while ignoring the examples provided to you in every voter ID thread.

Every voted ID thread? You mean the one time I brought it up in the last one? The one where no one answered my above questions? I'm not asking how it's possible, I know it IS, what I don't understand is how people can function without one, and that's not a question that has been satisfactorily answered. But don't let your lack of reading comprehension get in the way of your hyperbole.


Have you ever tried to answer your own questions?
 
2012-08-28 02:59:45 PM  
But asking a voter for ID in the United States is presumably racist

You're a liar, fark off.
 
2012-08-28 03:02:18 PM  
Because if their is one thing the U.S. needs to be more like.....it's Mexico.

/farking tarded
 
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