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(Mother Jones)   Bizarre super-PAC, seeking moderation, targets both left and right because it's for booting out the more ideological members of the Democratic and Republican parties   (motherjones.com) divider line 68
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2012-08-28 09:22:25 AM  
Is there going to be anybody left if they succeed?
 
2012-08-28 09:23:09 AM  
if I were a billionaire, I'd start a superPAC with the express intent of trolling the shiat out of everyone.
 
2012-08-28 09:25:54 AM  
If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...
 
2012-08-28 09:29:12 AM  
Moderation for the sake of moderation is not necessarily a good thing.
 
2012-08-28 09:33:52 AM  

Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...


And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still
 
2012-08-28 09:38:53 AM  
If there is hope for American politics, it lies with the moderates. The teahadist are tearing apart the GOP and, if the liberals lose this election, the herbal teabaggers will take the Democrats back to the McGovern days. Being a moderate does not mean you don't have a position, just that you recognize that balance is good, compromise is necessary, and extremism - in all its forms - is the path to societal mediocrity.
 
2012-08-28 09:45:37 AM  

Lucky LaRue: extremism - in all its forms - is the path to societal mediocrity.


Mediocrity at this point would be several steps up the ladder. This is of course solely the fault of That Other Party.
 
2012-08-28 09:55:59 AM  
So it's targeting the entire GOP and Bernie Sanders?
 
2012-08-28 09:56:22 AM  

Aarontology: if I were a billionaire, I'd start a superPAC with the express intent of trolling the shiat out of everyone.


Im in. Where do I donate?
 
2012-08-28 10:10:20 AM  
You know, if you think you're a PAC that is truly going after extremists, cite your claims. Just because you hit people on both sides doesn't mean you should automatically be listened to. You say someone voted against job creation? Prove it. Can't be that hard to put a couple source URLs on a flier.

Until then, you're really just another yelling voice with hidden interests, and we have plenty of that.
 
2012-08-28 10:18:20 AM  
What makes a man turn neutral?
 
2012-08-28 10:20:50 AM  

cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron


If you want to be taken seriously, you can start by giving examples.
 
2012-08-28 10:26:26 AM  

propasaurus: What makes a man turn neutral?


It's called maturity, and happens at about the same time he realizes that absolute good is just as horrific and tyrannical as absolute evil.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 10:56:33 AM  

Lucky LaRue: If there is hope for American politics, it lies with the moderates. The teahadist are tearing apart the GOP and, if the liberals lose this election, the herbal teabaggers will take the Democrats back to the McGovern days. Being a moderate does not mean you don't have a position, just that you recognize that balance is good, compromise is necessary, and extremism - in all its forms - is the path to societal mediocrity.


The problem is that there aren't any liberals in this election, not in the presidental election anyway.

Obama is a moderate; the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is marginalized.

I suspect that this PAC is more about the Republican right struggling against the even farther right for control of the party.
 
2012-08-28 11:08:19 AM  

cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still


Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.
 
2012-08-28 11:19:50 AM  

Aarontology: if I were a billionaire, I'd start a superPAC with the express intent of trolling the shiat out of everyone.


Same here. Just ads, all day all night that do nothing but highlight stupidity, lies, hypocrisy, etc... of all politicians. Just to piss them off. No message. No candidate. Just shiatting on them all.
 
2012-08-28 11:22:53 AM  

netizencain: Aarontology: if I were a billionaire, I'd start a superPAC with the express intent of trolling the shiat out of everyone.

Same here. Just ads, all day all night that do nothing but highlight stupidity, lies, hypocrisy, etc... of all politicians. Just to piss them off. No message. No candidate. Just shiatting on them all.


So...the Daily Show?
 
2012-08-28 11:27:08 AM  
No... just ads on the big networks, right in primetime.
 
2012-08-28 11:30:41 AM  
growlersoftware.com
 
2012-08-28 11:37:07 AM  

what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.


Senator Harkin
 
2012-08-28 11:40:35 AM  

cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin


Oh, and Senator Sanders

How did I forget about him?
 
2012-08-28 11:41:57 AM  

vpb: I suspect that this PAC is more about the Republican right struggling against the even farther right for control of the party.


I suspect you are right, though I am not sure there is any down-side to that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 11:45:58 AM  

cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin


So, the political landscape is skewed so far to the right that Harkin qualifies as a leftist?

I wonder what you think of Bernie Sanders?
 
2012-08-28 11:52:44 AM  

vpb: cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin

So, the political landscape is skewed so far to the right that Harkin qualifies as a leftist?

I wonder what you think of Bernie Sanders?


Since the list of his pro-conservative positions is pretty damn low, I thought it would be much shorter post to just link you to this.
 
2012-08-28 12:03:45 PM  
An official "Both Sides Are Bad" PAC?

Oh, Joy.
 
2012-08-28 12:06:08 PM  

cman: Senator Harkin



Harkin is also a staunch supporter of Israel. He is a member of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, which appropriates about $2 billion annually for military financing for Israel. In the Senate, he is the second-largest career recipient of pro-Israel Political Action Committee (PAC) contributions.[26]

Fail. He's a moderate.

cman: Oh, and Senator Sanders



Bernie Sanders is a good guy, I like him. BUT HE IS NOT A FARKING DEMOCRAT.
 
2012-08-28 12:08:44 PM  

what_now: cman: Senator Harkin


Harkin is also a staunch supporter of Israel. He is a member of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, which appropriates about $2 billion annually for military financing for Israel. In the Senate, he is the second-largest career recipient of pro-Israel Political Action Committee (PAC) contributions.[26]

Fail. He's a moderate.

cman: Oh, and Senator Sanders


Bernie Sanders is a good guy, I like him. BUT HE IS NOT A FARKING DEMOCRAT.


He is still pretty damn far-left, and left does not always mean "Democrat"
 
2012-08-28 12:09:00 PM  

cman: vpb: cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin

So, the political landscape is skewed so far to the right that Harkin qualifies as a leftist?

I wonder what you think of Bernie Sanders?

Since the list of his pro-conservative positions is pretty damn low, I thought it would be much shorter post to just link you to this.


Yeah, that's basically exactly how I would have voted.

Much like Senator Sanders, I am also not a registered Democrat.

So, you've got one moderate, and one socialist.

Zero "extreme leftist democrats".
 
2012-08-28 12:09:58 PM  

quatchi: An official "Both Sides Are Bad" PAC?

Oh, Joy.


When I look at the extreme elements of the left and the right, I can only conclude that both sides *are* bad.
 
2012-08-28 12:11:03 PM  

cman: He is still pretty damn far-left, and left does not always mean "Democrat"


Stop moving the goal posts. The quote was:

cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still


Bernie Sanders is an "extreme leftist" in your opinion but he sure as hell does not have any real power in the Democratic Party, a party that he is not a member of.
 
2012-08-28 12:12:08 PM  

what_now: cman: He is still pretty damn far-left, and left does not always mean "Democrat"

Stop moving the goal posts. The quote was:

cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Bernie Sanders is an "extreme leftist" in your opinion but he sure as hell does not have any real power in the Democratic Party, a party that he is not a member of.


Ok, I will give ya that. I was basing my answers on the headline and not on his question.
 
2012-08-28 12:12:38 PM  

what_now: cman: Senator Harkin


Harkin is also a staunch supporter of Israel. He is a member of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, which appropriates about $2 billion annually for military financing for Israel. In the Senate, he is the second-largest career recipient of pro-Israel Political Action Committee (PAC) contributions.[26]

Fail. He's a moderate.

cman: Oh, and Senator Sanders


Bernie Sanders is a good guy, I like him. BUT HE IS NOT A FARKING DEMOCRAT.


So you're saying he's a DINO.
 
2012-08-28 12:16:43 PM  

cman: Ok, I will give ya that. I was basing my answers on the headline and not on his question.


Ok. Fair. But understand that I am the extreme left wing of the Democratic party. And I'm a girl on an internet message board. I don't even have a blog.

The extreme right wing of the Republican party has completely taken over.

This will be equivalent when they start electing people like me to office, and I get to make mandatory birth control a part of my platform.
 
2012-08-28 12:21:24 PM  

MrBallou: So you're saying he's a DINO.

He's a DICO: Democrat in caucusing only.

He's not a member of the Democratic party. He runs as an Independent.
 
2012-08-28 12:22:59 PM  

Lucky LaRue: When I look at the extreme elements of the left and the right, I can only conclude that both sides *are* bad.


Saying "both sides are bad" is being obvious.

Saying "both sides are equally bad and it doesn't matter which one gets in" is being oblivious.

I realize nuance isn't your strong suit but work on it a bit. K? 

In terms of extremes the entire GOP seem to have radicalized to a frightening degree over the last decade or so while the Dems have become more moderate since Clinton took the center back in the 90s.
 
2012-08-28 12:25:11 PM  
Bernie Sanders is essentially an updated D.D. Eisenhower, FFS.

That's how off-the-rails you GOP farkos have gone.
 
2012-08-28 12:30:18 PM  

quatchi: An official "Both Sides Are Bad" PAC?

Oh, Joy.


It's Independenty™
 
2012-08-28 12:34:48 PM  

cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin


Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa is an extreme leftest? That's all you got? At some point your going to have to just fess up and say it wasn't meant to be a factual statement.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 12:39:25 PM  

cman: vpb: cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin

So, the political landscape is skewed so far to the right that Harkin qualifies as a leftist?

I wonder what you think of Bernie Sanders?

Since the list of his pro-conservative positions is pretty damn low, I thought it would be much shorter post to just link you to this.


I know who he is, I was wondering what you thought of him. He must be like the antichrist if Harkin is a leftist.
 
2012-08-28 12:42:15 PM  

impaler: cman: what_now: cman: Howie Spankowitz: If only there were any extreme "leftists" with any real power in the Democratic Party...

And people think I am a moron

/Well, I am, but still

Name one.

I'm an extreme leftist. I don't get a vote in the Senate.

Senator Harkin

Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa is an extreme leftest? That's all you got? At some point your going to have to just fess up and say it wasn't meant to be a factual statement.


It is more likely that my definition of far-left could be wrong.
 
2012-08-28 12:55:55 PM  

cman: It is more likely that my definition of far-left could be wrong.


what is this i don't even

/did you hit your head?
//you seem to be admitting that your perspective could be warped
 
2012-08-28 12:59:39 PM  
Born Bernard Sanders
September 8, 1941 (age 70)
New York City, New York
Political party Independent - (Democratic Socialist)

It is just not your day, is it cman.
 
2012-08-28 01:01:00 PM  

quatchi: Saying "both sides are equally bad and it doesn't matter which one gets in" is being oblivious.

I realize nuance isn't your strong suit but work on it a bit. K?


Wow. Are you f*cking Superman to make a leap like that?

I reject your premise that, given one extreme is more "bad" than the other, reason should compel me to choose the "lesser evil". I choose neither and reject both. Instead will work from a moderate point of view.

K?
 
2012-08-28 01:02:14 PM  

impaler: MrBallou: So you're saying he's a DINO.
He's a DICO: Democrat in caucusing only.

He's not a member of the Democratic party. He runs as an Independent.


My point is, they're trying to make Democrats derp like they derp. Don't fall for it.

Both sides are NOT the same. Don't vote for evil.
 
2012-08-28 01:31:27 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I reject your premise that, given one extreme is more "bad" than the other,


And that is why you fail, young Padewan.
 
2012-08-28 01:32:04 PM  

gameshowhost: It's Independenty™


Correction cheerfully accepted.
 
2012-08-28 01:47:22 PM  

MrBallou: My point is, they're trying to make Democrats derp like they derp. Don't fall for it.


It's worth noting too that the first person this group is targeting as "too extreme" is backing someone claimed to be a fake Democrat. They say they're going to target Sheriff Joe next, but they haven't yet. This could easily be another PAC pretending to care about the truth and really just trying to upend the Democrats and nobody can know their real goals because their funding is hidden.
 
2012-08-28 02:04:24 PM  

quatchi: Lucky LaRue: I reject your premise that, given one extreme is more "bad" than the other,

And that is why you fail, young Padewan.


Let's look at my entire statement, shall we?

Lucky LaRue: I reject your premise that, given one extreme is more "bad" than the other, reason should compel me to choose the "lesser evil". I choose neither and reject both. Instead will work from a moderate point of view.


If you are on the side that needs to take words out of context to bolster your argument, you may want to consider if it really is the lesser of the two evils..
 
2012-08-28 02:29:22 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Moderation for the sake of moderation is not necessarily a good thing.


I can't think of any situation where it is a good thing.

/compromise is a thing you do, no a principle to hold.
 
2012-08-28 02:31:46 PM  
Vote 'em all out. They're all too far to the right.
 
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