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(Huffington Post)   S.C. State Senator George "Chip" Campsen III R(eally? Chip?) admits the examples he gave in federal Voter ID trial weren't the type of fraud that his bill would stop   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 42
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2012-08-28 08:12:11 AM
He also said he could not find cases of voter impersonation in South Carolina, but added that the state lacks the tools to root them out.

OK then. Go write a law or come up with a plan that would give you those tools. Go find me more cases of voter-id preventable fraud than the inevitable disenfranchisements and then I won't think you're trying to implement Jim Crow 2.0. Until then take your non-solution in search of a non-problem and kindly fark off.
 
2012-08-28 08:38:28 AM
GOP backed voter ID laws are out and out voter suppression.

In order to ostensibly avoid an imaginary blow to democracy they want to deal a real one and then claim moral superiority.

They are quite, quite mad.
 
2012-08-28 08:51:50 AM
Sen. George "Chip" Campsen III

The name says it all.
 
2012-08-28 09:39:33 AM

quatchi: GOP backed voter ID laws are out and out voter suppression.


they have already admitted this proudly. the pennsylvania state senator who wrote his state's voter ID law bragged that it would hand the state to romney in november. he said this openly.

voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. yet the party of "small government" wants to write laws to fight it. laws that, oh by the way, disproportionately disenfranchise democratic voters.
 
2012-08-28 10:11:34 AM
What'ssat?
 
2012-08-28 10:13:37 AM
What's the count on this anyway? The number of recent historical examples of vote fraud that these I.D. laws would have prevented? Zero? Are we still at zero?

And the number of people who can't get I.D. at all or without significant hardship is greater than zero still?

Basic arithmetic says this is vote suppression. As usual, math proves republicans are immoral liars.
 
2012-08-28 10:15:14 AM
FTFA: "The people it will hurt, mostly minorities, do not live in the world of the courtroom, Beeney said."

I bet they know how to manipulate the justice system better than most blue collar middle class folks.
 
2012-08-28 10:17:37 AM

USCLaw2010: I bet they know how to manipulate the justice system better than most blue collar middle class folks.


So that's why minorities are so underrepresented in the prison system!

Law student at the University of South Carolina.

Maybe you should consider your other options.
 
2012-08-28 10:18:02 AM

USCLaw2010: FTFA: "The people it will hurt, mostly minorities, do not live in the world of the courtroom, Beeney said."

I bet they know how to manipulate the justice system better than most blue collar middle class folks.


"do not live in the world of the courtroom"? What the fark is that supposed to mean?
 
2012-08-28 10:19:44 AM
You know, my grandmother never had a driver's license, but she had a state ID card (in SC). I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Hell every time I vote I forget ID is not required and pull it out anyway. Not saying I support voter ID laws, I just don't see how it can really be THAT big of an inconvenience.

I'm also the biggest bleeding-heart in my family.
 
2012-08-28 10:21:21 AM
Just like the Ohio Republican party chairman of Franklin county talking about the real reason for cutting early voting hours:

"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban - read African-American - voter turnout machine."
 
2012-08-28 10:21:50 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.


Oh. Well, since you can't see it, I guess it's impossible.
 
2012-08-28 10:24:59 AM
My SIL brought this up while we were on the phone yesterday, citing the illegal immigrants that voted in the Mexican mafia mayor of Los Angeles. Is this one of her stories from Imagination Land? If it was in fact a huge case of voter fraud, then I assume I would have heard about it before.
 
2012-08-28 10:26:17 AM

qorkfiend: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Oh. Well, since you can't see it, I guess it's impossible.


Not to mention that he's assuming any ID works for the laws specifically designed against that idea, while no other part of society functions that way.
 
2012-08-28 10:26:47 AM
Yeah, we all already know the real reason you're doing this.
 
2012-08-28 10:27:15 AM
Making fun of someone's name, subby? That's just sad.

I grew up with a guy who went by Chip. I think his legal name is Charles but his parents always called him Chip and he liked it better than "Chuck" or "Charlie". What's in a name? He's a nice guy.

Senator Campsen is a cockbag for reasons that have nothing to do with his appellation.
 
2012-08-28 10:27:53 AM

FlashHarry: laws that, oh by the way, disproportionately disenfranchise democratic voters.


And that's their own damn fault. If they weren't so lazy and poor that they can't "afford" voter ID, they just might actually bring in an income that's subject to taxes and thus, vote Republican in their own interest. These laws are meant to compensate for their ignorance watering down democracy.

They're lucky they can even vote in the first place, the Constitution intended the right to vote for landowners only. Skin in the game, freeloaders.

// ?/10
 
2012-08-28 10:28:20 AM

qorkfiend: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Oh. Well, since you can't see it, I guess it's impossible.


I am almost 26, and I had no form of photo ID between 22 and early last year and never ran into a situation where I needed one. I only broke down and got one so I could be a legal passenger in my partner's 18 wheeler. Even then, I could have probably used my birth certificate or social security card, but didn't want any extra hassle by the DOT if we were inspected. My point... you can have a normal life with no photo ID.
 
2012-08-28 10:31:51 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, my grandmother never had a driver's license, but she had a state ID card (in SC). I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Hell every time I vote I forget ID is not required and pull it out anyway. Not saying I support voter ID laws, I just don't see how it can really be THAT big of an inconvenience.

I'm also the biggest bleeding-heart in my family.


When it comes down to it, the ID is a poll tax. Some states have said they will provide IDs for free to get around the poll tax accusations, but then the people who need to procure a birth certificate to get the free ID are still paying a fee to vote. Sure, it may be hard to imagine going through life without those forms of ID, but it does happen to people of all ages. It is simply a greater burden for the poor and homeless.
 
2012-08-28 10:35:08 AM
Winning the arguments means nothing if the judges are too hyperpartisan to listen. We'll see how it goes, but don't mistake proving your case for being an automatic win.

The real question is what's going to happen if these laws stay in place and huge numbers of people in poor districts start getting turned away from the polls. Do these states have contingency plans for riots breaking out on election day?
 
2012-08-28 10:37:08 AM

humanshrapnel: What'ssat?


What's this guy need a tent or somethin?

/tsss
 
2012-08-28 10:40:51 AM
This whole issue is a smoke screen for what they're really trying to do (just as with their abortion agenda). Voter fraud is a complete non-issue in every measurable way. Even if each voting station had 20 people voting who shouldn't be, they could not skew an election for anything other than PTA president. And the real numbers are actually tiny--less than 1% of all votes cast anywhere are fraudulent, and a vast majority of polling stations have 0 fraudulent voters.

This is a witch hunt that sounds great to people concerned about someone getting one over on them. Well OF COURSE we need to fight voter fraud, we can't have secret muslins sneaking in and taking everything over.

My real question is whether the politicians actually know they're being disingenuous and are doing it to further, or do they really buy this crap hook, like, and sinker and think they're fighting a righteous fight? Frankly, I don't even know which is worse...
 
2012-08-28 10:44:28 AM

truthseeker2083: qorkfiend: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Oh. Well, since you can't see it, I guess it's impossible.

I am almost 26, and I had no form of photo ID between 22 and early last year and never ran into a situation where I needed one. I only broke down and got one so I could be a legal passenger in my partner's 18 wheeler. Even then, I could have probably used my birth certificate or social security card, but didn't want any extra hassle by the DOT if we were inspected. My point... you can have a normal life with no photo ID.


Fair enough.

I am also a smoker and a drinker and therefore get IDed quite often. I drive, so I have to have a license. I get asked for ID to buy marking paint for yard work. I get ided for cashing checks. I suppose that since I have had an ID since I was 15 I don't know how easy or difficult it is to not have one.
 
2012-08-28 10:44:41 AM
Republicans needing to resort to lies to win an argument........shocking.
 
2012-08-28 10:45:26 AM
Remember all that Freedom from Tyranny talk and waving the Flag and the Constitution?
Where are all those goddamn Gadsden flags now?
 
2012-08-28 10:51:59 AM

truthseeker2083: I only broke down and got one so I could be a legal passenger in my partner's 18 wheeler


? Why do you need an ID to be a legal passenger?
 
2012-08-28 10:57:27 AM

Hoboclown: humanshrapnel: What'ssat?

What's this guy need a tent or somethin?

/tsss


Home run Hoboclown!

/double sleepin' bags!
 
2012-08-28 10:57:37 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: What's the count on this anyway? The number of recent historical examples of vote fraud that these I.D. laws would have prevented? Zero? Are we still at zero?

And the number of people who can't get I.D. at all or without significant hardship is greater than zero still?

Basic arithmetic says this is vote suppression. As usual, math proves republicans are immoral liars.


A five year investigation by the BUSH Justice Department found a total of 9 cases of people voting multiple times.

4 of those were aquitted or dismissed. 

How many people in this thread who support voter ID believe that there are less than 5 people in all of the states enacting these laws who will be unable to get the required ID but are otherwise eligible to vote?
 
2012-08-28 10:58:13 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, my grandmother never had a driver's license, but she had a state ID card (in SC). I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Hell every time I vote I forget ID is not required and pull it out anyway. Not saying I support voter ID laws, I just don't see how it can really be THAT big of an inconvenience.


10.7% of people who voted in Indiana's 2006 election did not have an ID, according to a study.

Keep in mind, these people had access to a landline phone.
 
2012-08-28 11:00:25 AM
Republicans are so transparent in everything they do.

"voter ID" laws = Democratic voter suppression

arcane abortion clinic "safety regulations" = attempts to get a de facto ban on abortion by closing all the clinics

Introducing mandated language to "question" or point out "flaws" in evolutionary theory in science classrooms = roundabout way of getting creationism and ultimately religion and prayer (Christian of course) in public schools.

I'm not sure whether they know how flimsy their pretexts are, or they just don't care, or maybe they need to make the pretexts as flimsy as possible in order for their none-too-bright voting base to be able to read between the lines.
 
2012-08-28 11:05:52 AM

Doc Daneeka: Republicans are so transparent in everything they do.

"voter ID" laws = Democratic voter suppression

arcane abortion clinic "safety regulations" = attempts to get a de facto ban on abortion by closing all the clinics

Introducing mandated language to "question" or point out "flaws" in evolutionary theory in science classrooms = roundabout way of getting creationism and ultimately religion and prayer (Christian of course) in public schools.

I'm not sure whether they know how flimsy their pretexts are, or they just don't care, or maybe they need to make the pretexts as flimsy as possible in order for their none-too-bright voting base to be able to read between the lines.


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The American Legislative Exchange Council
 
2012-08-28 11:07:58 AM

palelizard: truthseeker2083: I only broke down and got one so I could be a legal passenger in my partner's 18 wheeler

? Why do you need an ID to be a legal passenger?


Insurance requirements through the DOT.
 
2012-08-28 11:20:28 AM

Misch: Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, my grandmother never had a driver's license, but she had a state ID card (in SC). I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Hell every time I vote I forget ID is not required and pull it out anyway. Not saying I support voter ID laws, I just don't see how it can really be THAT big of an inconvenience.

10.7% of people who voted in Indiana's 2006 election did not have an ID, according to a study.

Keep in mind, these people had access to a landline phone.


So, old conservatives?
 
2012-08-28 11:22:56 AM

quatchi: GOP backed voter ID laws are out and out voter suppression.


This is it. This is all it is. They want to stop people that don't vote Republican from voting.
 
2012-08-28 11:25:01 AM

Hoboclown: humanshrapnel: What'ssat?

What's this guy need a tent or somethin?

/tsss


Voter ID? Why not NoseD or sumptin?

/take us out fatso
 
2012-08-28 11:49:14 AM
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I'd probably get things wrong too if I had the politics of a ten year old shoved up my back side.
 
2012-08-28 12:07:28 PM
I'm not sure what the hubbub is all about.

He clearly stated that there was no way to know how many impersonations are being attempted until people are required to have ID.

It's not rocket science, but the author of the linked article wrote his attack piece in such a way as to confuse his readers on this topic.

From a real news source:

Campsen and the House author of the voter ID bill, state Rep. Alan Clemmons said their intent was to create a way to detect identification fraud and deter it.

Sheesh.
 
2012-08-28 12:09:34 PM
If these twits actually gave a rat's ringhole about any sort of electoral or voter fraud, they'd be trying to stamp out the recent rash of (almost always Republican) candidates blatantly rigging their elections.

Of course, they don't, so.
 
2012-08-28 12:58:01 PM

humanshrapnel: What'ssat?


Came for the Chip jokes.

This made me choke on my burrito.

I farking love you people.

/marry 'em or sumptin
// tss tss
 
2012-08-28 01:11:13 PM

Leeds: I'm not sure what the hubbub is all about.

He clearly stated that there was no way to know how many impersonations are being attempted until people are required to have ID.

It's not rocket science, but the author of the linked article wrote his attack piece in such a way as to confuse his readers on this topic.

From a real news source:

Campsen and the House author of the voter ID bill, state Rep. Alan Clemmons said their intent was to create a way to detect identification fraud and deter it.

Sheesh.



They had no way to track it before?
If someone came up and said "it looks like i voted but i haven't"
if you mailed something out to the people who voted and see how many envelopes are returned?
'Spotters' can ask people of color for additional information or make them use a (I forgot the name....it's the counted manually ballot) ballot?
Matching the signatures on the sign in sheet?

None of these have any ability to detect fraud.
But now that they have added a photo ID, they can now start counting how many fraudulent votes they get?

I don't think the ID law has anything to do with stopping fraud.
 
2012-08-28 01:41:40 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, my grandmother never had a driver's license, but she had a state ID card (in SC). I just don't see how someone could live in this country without an ID.

Hell every time I vote I forget ID is not required and pull it out anyway. Not saying I support voter ID laws, I just don't see how it can really be THAT big of an inconvenience.

I'm also the biggest bleeding-heart in my family.


I am in the same boat... To get a job, you have to show picture ID. If IDs (non-driver) are free... What is the real hardship? Heck, if they can't afford it, give them a free passport, which is valid for voting purposes... (then, if there isn't a DMV nearby, they can hit the post office)

I am not wanting people shut out... I they can't get an iD, and can't, presumably, work, either... That is a bigger issue, isn't it?
 
2012-08-28 02:49:23 PM

rdalton: Leeds: I'm not sure what the hubbub is all about.

He clearly stated that there was no way to know how many impersonations are being attempted until people are required to have ID.

It's not rocket science, but the author of the linked article wrote his attack piece in such a way as to confuse his readers on this topic.

From a real news source:

Campsen and the House author of the voter ID bill, state Rep. Alan Clemmons said their intent was to create a way to detect identification fraud and deter it.

Sheesh.


They had no way to track it before?
If someone came up and said "it looks like i voted but i haven't"
if you mailed something out to the people who voted and see how many envelopes are returned?
'Spotters' can ask people of color for additional information or make them use a (I forgot the name....it's the counted manually ballot) ballot?
Matching the signatures on the sign in sheet?

None of these have any ability to detect fraud.
But now that they have added a photo ID, they can now start counting how many fraudulent votes they get?

I don't think the ID law has anything to do with stopping fraud.


I don't think that you've thought through what type of fraud this *could* prevent.

At present:
-If I am on the voter rolls at my current residence and my previous residence, and I have no need for ID with an address on it, I could vote twice.
-If I know my neighbor is sick and can't make it to the polls I can hit the polls twice on voting day, once claiming to be me and once claiming to be him, signing his name is all I need to vote twice.
-Etc.

And none of those methods would be caught or even counted until someone puts in place a way to check. Voter ID laws are that way to check.
 
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