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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Today's RNC concert review: "You had to be 21 and over to get into Lee Greenwood's Monday show at the Seminole Hard Rock Casino, but to be honest, they would have been safe setting the bar at 50"   (tampabay.com) divider line 25
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2012-08-28 10:33:19 AM
6 votes:
And I'm proud to be an American,
where at least I know I'm free.
as long as I am see-through white
and don't have no ovary
2012-08-28 01:25:28 PM
3 votes:

devilEther: It's used to justify mass murder.


That (which is horrible in and of itself) but it's just creepy to me, in general. Pledging allegiance to a flag. Venerating the flag above the freedom it supposedly represents. Nationalism is a stepping-stone to totalitarianism.

While I don't think that we're necessarily going in that direction, looking at the insanity of America after the 9/11 attacks made me realize that we're disturbingly close to a nightmare. One major catastrophe can make us veer toward fascism. That's frightening. I don't want to be here when that happens.
2012-08-28 01:04:39 PM
2 votes:
Yippie Abbie Hoffman was arrested in one while protesting the Vietnam War in 1968. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wore one while joining fellow Vietnam veterans for a tribute this past Memorial Day. Their attire? Shirts that looked like flags.

On this Flag Day, Melissa Block talks to Marc Leepson, author of Flag: An American Biography about the history of the flag as symbol of American pride and protest.

When Hoffman was arrested outside a U.S. House building in 1968, most states had flag-desecration laws on the books. His conviction was overturned on appeal. And in 1989 and 1990, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the statutes unconstitutional.

Today, wearing flag-like attire does violate the flag code, which proscribes the care and display of the Stars and Stripes but is rarely enforced. "It's kind of a little strange paradox in that people are venerating the flag for the most part and technically violating the U.S. flag code," Leepson says.

Below is a section of the flag code that deals with respecting the flag.

The Flag Code - Respect for Flag


No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.

Bunting of blue, white, and red always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkin or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
2012-08-28 12:44:59 PM
2 votes:
Some bleeding-heart liberal candidate should use one of his songs for their campaign, just to see the conservative uproar.
2012-08-28 12:43:44 PM
2 votes:
Even the Nazis got Wagner. This is the best we can do?
2012-08-28 10:10:00 AM
2 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Married 4 times.

The perfect Republican family man.
2012-08-28 09:45:05 AM
2 votes:
What if I hate Lee Greenwood because all his music farking sucks, not just because he wrote a song with pandering, treacly lyrics that sound like something a hydroencephalatic Cub Scout wrote for a 4th of July Jamboree? Do I have to root for the North Koreans when I go see "Red Dawn" at the dollar theater two weeks after it opens?
2012-08-29 10:54:43 AM
1 votes:
zabadu

Your post got me thinking. People spaz out over a piece of cloth with our national logo on it, but don't seem to care much about their fellow man. These people have some seriously farked up priorities. You're supposed to venerate the flag because "soldiers died for it". Well, let's think about that for a minute...

1) To the uninitiated, the flag and the United States Of America might seem the same, but surprisingly they're not. One is a large mass of land with around 311 million people living on it, and the other is a hunk of silkscreened cloth, probably manufactured by slave labor in China. If you die to save the people back home from an evil invading horde, that's a hero and I appreciate it. If you die for a flag, that's an idiot. But hey - you're free to be one.

2) You buy a flag, it's your property. You paid for it. You should be able to fly it, salute it, worship it, wear it, burn it, wipe your ass on it, dry your car with it, or make sweet love to it down by the fire... We don't tell people what they can and can't do with any other inanimate thing they buy. It's ironic that the very symbol of a supposedly free country is the one thing that's restricted as to what you can do with it.

3) The flag won't care what you do to it.

4) They'll make more.

America would be a better place if people took the energy spent on worshipping an inanimate piece of cloth, and channeled it into being better to their neighbor... helping the poor... or electing public officials based on their intentions and intellect rather than jingoism or loyalty to a party. But... eh. People mostly can't think for themselves, and will do what they will.
2012-08-28 09:43:30 PM
1 votes:
I get a kick out of this guy being a one trick pony. Every decisive International conflict that leads to war, or
a slide in "Exceptionalism" uses this fluff song since 1984. The used it for gulf war 1 and also 9/11 now
this years election. It is not jingoist as Toby Keith song , it just comes off as bad as they have to use this song over and over and over. And for an "Country American Love Song" I prefer this one.
Link

/my 2 cents
2012-08-28 05:14:03 PM
1 votes:

Bleyo: zabadu: (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.

I always interpreted that as you can't use an actual flag as clothing, but clothing with portrayals of the flag were OK.


You mean like slicing a hole in the middle and wearing the flag like a poncho? As kid rock did during the super bowl half time?

There was a time when a stunt like that would get a guy arrested. (or just serve as an excuse for the pigs)

But apparently the right wing fanatics of america who freak at the slightest flash of nipple don't mind a little flag desecration.

But what do you expect from the folks who want to make a traitor our next president?
2012-08-28 01:58:43 PM
1 votes:

CruJones: shred


The mark of a truly inferior musician.

The last thing music is about is how many notes you can jam into a measure. Quantity means nothing.

Learn the truth

http://www.jimhallmusic.com/

He's one of the slowest guitar players you will ever find and probably the best.
2012-08-28 01:42:13 PM
1 votes:
I'm proud to be part of a group I was born into and had to do nothing to gain or earn that right!!
2012-08-28 01:20:15 PM
1 votes:
I'm not proud that he's from America.
2012-08-28 01:12:11 PM
1 votes:

steamingpile: This is getting really tiring Fark, you can keep the mocking to silence an opinion in the political tab and off the main page


Aw, I bet you cry when you hear God Bless the USA, don't you? I bet you STAND UP too!

What a good American you are!
2012-08-28 01:02:46 PM
1 votes:
God bless Abby Hoffman.

In October 1968, he was arrested in Washington for wearing a shirt that resembled the design of an American flag. Authorities at the maximum security penitentiary did their worst to harass and humiliate him. They gave him a preventive de-lousing. They took a blood sample against his will, without affording him the sterile courtesy of a disposable syringe.

Two months later, Abbie was hospitalized in New York City for serum hepatitis. The recuperative process didn't prevent him from helping doctors to organize themselves against some of the oppressive tactics of the medical profession.

When the flag-shirt case came to court, defense attorney Gerald Lefcourt asked, "Is wearing a shirt dishonoring the flag? Does Uncle Sam, when he marches in the parade on July 4th, dishonor?"

Prosecutor Benton Becker argued, "Uncle Sam himself is a national symbol, just as the the flag is a national symbol, and one national symbol, recognized as such, cannot deface and defile and cast contempt upon another national symbol....the Government has a legitimate interest in maintaining the sanctity of its symbols."


Abby Hoffman flag shirt story
2012-08-28 12:55:24 PM
1 votes:

clevershark: Confabulat: Son you better stand up when you hear Lee Greenwood or you may as well be a damn North Korean yourself, commie.

I know you're joking and all, but way too many people think that in earnest.


I have no idea what it's like in 2012, but I once visited the Stone Mountain fireworks show in Georgia back in the 90s, where they end the night with that tune and a few others.

It's pretty surreal seeing people all around you STAND UP and start weeping uncontrollably.

If it's still anything like that (and why wouldn't it be; it's a giant mountain with Confederate heroes carved into it for all time) I highly recommend that experience if it still exists. On hallucinogenic drugs if at all possible but it might freak you out.
2012-08-28 12:54:58 PM
1 votes:
2012-08-28 12:54:01 PM
1 votes:
The only way you can truly appreciate this song is by sitting in your bathtub, shoving a big red white and blue dildo up your ass, and masturbate furiously while getting bukkake'd by a dozen Wall Street Bankers.
2012-08-28 12:44:34 PM
1 votes:
Patriotism or nationalism squicks me out.
2012-08-28 12:43:07 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308]

If I were American, I'd be offended by that shirt.


"Patriotic" clothing is an offensive display of the flag. The fact that republican knuckle draggers don't understand the disrespect shows just how "patriotic" they really are.
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-08-28 12:41:27 PM
1 votes:
target audience:

img.photobucket.com
2012-08-28 12:37:46 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: Mr. Coffee Nerves: What if I hate Lee Greenwood because all his music farking sucks, not just because he wrote a song with pandering, treacly lyrics that sound like something a hydroencephalatic Cub Scout wrote for a 4th of July Jamboree? Do I have to root for the North Koreans when I go see "Red Dawn" at the dollar theater two weeks after it opens?

Son you better stand up when you hear Lee Greenwood or you may as well be a damn North Korean yourself, commie.


There is nothing in this world more contemptible than that farking song. Yeah, it REALLY bothers me when people stand up for it as if it was our anthem. How many more years are they going to play that jingoist crap before games? When does the "middle class white that cheers for war but doesn't want to pay for it with blood or money" guilt wear off?
2012-08-28 12:34:47 PM
1 votes:
Anyone that goes to a Political Party National Convention for any reason other than for work purposes is a complete and utter douche.
2012-08-28 12:27:44 PM
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

If I were American, I'd be offended by that shirt.
2012-08-28 10:10:15 AM
1 votes:
Lee Greenwood: The GOP's own Hans Pfitzner.
 
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