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2012-08-28 02:18:05 PM  
At this point i hope the whole area just gets biblically decimated.

Nothing good comes out of any of their bullshiat.

One side is either blaming us or asking us to do their dirty work.

One side is either actively trying to blow us up or steal our secrets

one side is either calling us the great satan or their pocketbook

If it wan't for all the dumbass religious crap in their f-ing countries no one would give a shiat.
 
2012-08-28 02:22:02 PM  
I'm also not entirely sure what the fuss is about the ISM "advocating armed struggle".

As a way of pointing out that the ISM says one thing and does something else, I get that, and it's worthwhile mentioning it. But then again I'm not predicating my view of matters on how "innocent" I believe the parties involved are. If I were, the IDF wouldn't fare terribly well by those House Rules either.

As a way of suggesting that the IDF isn't itself a participant in "armed struggle" (if in fact it isn't the better armed participant- armored bulldozers are all fun and games till you get run over by one) and this all doesn't seem a natural result of escalation to you, well, they aren't exactly hosting a bridge party over there, if no one's noticed.
 
2012-08-28 02:22:29 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: ...And they did this for no reason whatsoever, right?

Check out the UN HDI and how Gaza was treated before Israel took over. Look at the economic growth in Gaza prior to the second intifada. They did it not becasue of poor treatment, but because Israel is mostly Jewish.


No, it was because Israel was founded as a european colony and still carries the colonial mindset with it. So do you, for that matter (hence your constant justifications by way of terra nullius). This is fallout from the way Israel was created.

The areas that were all Jewish were Jewish land.

Private ownership does not make land "jewish" or "arab" or anything else.

Uncle Tractor: Was Egypt part of David's Israel?

Uncle Tractor: Pulling out of Gaza was nothing but tactics. Israel will be back

So it doesn't matter to you waht Israel ever does it will always be a plot to get back Jewish land and any deal they ever makeis just a ruse.


There is one thing Israel can do: Officially state that Gaza and the WB are part of Israel and grant the people who live there (arab and otherwise) full rights as israeli citizens.

Palesteniains elect a party that has removing all the jews from the area and that is becasue "shiat happens" and nobody should be bothered.

The palestinians see the ashkenazim as intruders in the region. While this is no longer true, the perception will remain until the one-state solution is reality.

Israel has a far right party that doesn't get elected with similiar goals and Israel is just like the Nazi's.

The people running Israel now are ridiculously far-right compared with the rest of the world.

That about sum up your derp? Becasue to be honest I am getting sick of reading it.

You think I care whether you're sick of it or not?
 
2012-08-28 02:23:03 PM  

jrw8778: You cannot justify this conduct. Do not try. She was trying to make a stand for what she believed in, agree or disagree she should have been arrested and detained. Not murdered. End of story, Israeli apologists need to get a grip.


She put herself in the path of a slow-moving bulldozer, and then her family and her handlers oh, "friends" act all surprised and shocked when she dies. I'm just glad that it happened before she'd whelped.

BTW: Here's a picture of what a "Shiny, Happy Person" she was:


i135.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-28 02:28:08 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: BTW: Here's a picture of what a "Shiny, Happy Person" she was:


As a result, I fear for my college ruled papers. Thanks a lot.
 
2012-08-28 02:34:41 PM  

SkunkWerks: Secret Master of All Flatulence: BTW: Here's a picture of what a "Shiny, Happy Person" she was:

As a result, I fear for my college ruled papers. Thanks a lot.


Sorry, I thought you knew the backstory. It was supposed to be a representation of the American Flag. It's just that, in addition to being unable to outmaneuver large, slow vehicles, she was also apparently a really shiatty artist.

The more I think about all the potential for future genetic fail she prevented when she removed herself from the gene pool without whelping, the more I like her.
 
2012-08-28 02:39:20 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: It was supposed to be a representation of the American Flag.


Pretty sure burning it is still legal over here- the flag, not college rule. Considered part of Freedom of Speech or some such I'm told. Not really sure that makes her a "monster" of some sort.

I'll give you that she's a bad artist apparently though.
 
2012-08-28 02:41:20 PM  

SkunkWerks: I'm also not entirely sure what the fuss is about the ISM "advocating armed struggle".


Armed struggle might be a declared war, but I think it's usually more like suicide bombings and rocket attacks into civilians.

As a result, I fear for my college ruled papers. Thanks a lot.

It seems to be a reasonable fear, because apparently she was getting college credit for this independent study program....
 
2012-08-28 02:42:19 PM  
This stupid case wasted a LOT of valuable time for the poor Israeli courts.

They knew damn well that they were going to tell the plaintiffs tu STFU and GTFO from the beginning - why the show trial?

Fortunately this type of thing is less likely to happen in the future, as the Israelis have take steps to ensure that Untermenschen will no longer be clogging up their courts.


New regulation may bar migrants, Palestinians from filing lawsuits in Israeli courts
Regulations require that anyone filing a suit in an Israeli court provide an Israeli ID number or foreign passport number.

By Tomer Zarchin 01:04 06.08.12

Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman has signed on regulations that require plaintiffs to cite their Israeli ID numbers or foreign passport numbers on the documents they file. Although the ministry said the cases of individuals such as migrant workers, Palestinian residents of the territories and stateless individuals who have no passport will be referred to a registrar or judge, civil rights activists say the new...


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2012-08-28 02:45:31 PM  

SkunkWerks: Secret Master of All Flatulence: It was supposed to be a representation of the American Flag.

Pretty sure burning it is still legal over here- the flag, not college rule. Considered part of Freedom of Speech or some such I'm told. Not really sure that makes her a "monster" of some sort.


Oh, I don't think she's a monster. I just think she was really, really, really stupid, and the personal cost of her stupidity to her was her life. It's kind of like people who illegally buy a large-dose Fentanyl patch that's supposed to provide pain mitigation to a terminal cancer patient for three days, and then chew it, to release all of the drug at once, and whose parents get all shocked and offended when the dumbass dies.

Once again: "Play Stupid games, win Stupid prizes."
 
2012-08-28 02:48:13 PM  

RoyBatty: Armed struggle might be a declared war, but I think it's usually more like suicide bombings and rocket attacks into civilians.


Or demolishing people's houses, or blowing up people's houses. I know we've had a problem over the last three decades of admitting when there's a war occurring, but mostly that's an issue with the bureaucracy, and for the usual bureaucratic reasons. I credit citizens with more intelligence, or at the very least with less institutionalized pedantry.

That said, when the IDF starts sending bouquets of flowers with apology cards, I'll start being shocked with this sort of reaction to their efforts.

RoyBatty: It seems to be a reasonable fear, because apparently she was getting college credit for this independent study program....


Don't think I heard that bit of the story. Then again George W. got credited with being an Army Veteran when he spent the most of that "career" polishing his public speaking... which was also time well spent, I observe.
 
2012-08-28 02:51:25 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: I just think she was really, really, really stupid


I think a lot of people are stupid. Throw them under the bulldozer then?
 
2012-08-28 02:53:56 PM  

SkunkWerks: Or demolishing people's houses, or blowing up people's houses.


Fwiw, the people aren't in the houses when the IDF comes along to bulldoze them, but the people are in the buses and cafes.

Don't think I heard that bit of the story.

That was in the Mother Jones article up above.
 
2012-08-28 02:58:23 PM  
She was a good dhimmi
 
2012-08-28 02:59:33 PM  

RoyBatty: Fwiw


Very little, honestly.

RoyBatty: That was in the Mother Jones article up above.


You have to admit, for a sympathetic article, they did a pretty good job of playing fair about the university's Character.

What do Matt Groening and the Black Panthers have in common? Wouldn't have guessed.
 
2012-08-28 03:10:14 PM  

SkunkWerks: RoyBatty: FwiwVery little, honestly


Well, you and I will have to differ on that.

You have to admit, for a sympathetic article, they did a pretty good job of playing fair about the university's Character.

In that article why is every instance of ISM (except for one) capitalized? Bad search and replace?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-28 03:28:05 PM  

RoyBatty: In that article why is every instance of ISM (except for one) capitalized? Bad search and replace?


Probably the same reason words on the same line are hyphenated with frequency, I imagine. Still, it's a pretty well-balanced article, I'd have to say, having read most of it.

One thing it goes into, which I don't see mentioned here was that she apparently faced a lot of distrust and even violence from her own "side" of the line. Looks like she accepted that. And while I might not necessarily agree with her ideology or methods, she seems far from the "spoiled stupid rich kid" I keep seeing bandied about in here.
 
2012-08-28 04:04:43 PM  
sucks that she thought protecting the house of a terrorist was more important than living
 
2012-08-28 04:20:54 PM  

SkunkWerks: Secret Master of All Flatulence: I just think she was really, really, really stupid

I think a lot of people are stupid. Throw them under the bulldozer then?


Nope. But if a stupid person decides to travel halfway around the planet to stand in front of a slow-moving, really obvious bulldozer, don't cry or make a martyr out of them when said bulldozer pancakes the biatch. I mean, it's not as if the bulldozer was camoflaged to look like a giant floating blob of cotton candy...
 
2012-08-28 04:21:16 PM  

depmode98: sucks that she thought protecting the house of a terrorist was more important than living


It wasn't even a house. The IDF was clearing scrubland snipers were using as positions from which to shoot at Israelis.

Darwin Ahkbar, Saint Pancake.
 
2012-08-28 04:22:17 PM  

depmode98: sucksIt's great that she thought protecting the house of a terrorist was more important than living


FTFY.
 
2012-08-28 04:26:10 PM  

depmode98: sucks that she thought protecting the house of a terrorist was more important than living



Are you saying the house was owned by an Israeli Zionist?

www.thepeoplesvoice.org

King David Hotel Bombing - Single deadliest act of terrorism ever committed in Israel / Palestine.

Details

Date: July 22, 1946
Number Killed: 91
Number Injured: 46
Terrorist Organization: Irgun (Zionist)
Mastermind: Menachem Begin (with Yitzhak Shamir)


Culprits apprehended? Yes
Culprits tried? No (celebrated)

Sentences imposed:

Begin: Elected Prime Minister of Israel
Shamir: Elected Prime Minister of Israel (twice)


Yep, ol Israel sure hates those terrorists
 
2012-08-28 04:52:03 PM  
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2012-08-28 05:03:00 PM  
Just heard on the radio:

Independent expert testifying for the Corrie Family declared that it would have been impossible for the bulldozer driver to see Rachel Corrie due to where she was standing

Just popped in to say that
 
2012-08-28 05:03:14 PM  
Step away for a day and look at all the bullshiat being slung around. "Industrial accident"? Pshaw. That's when Larry accidentally cuts his thumb off making a bird house or a planter. When there's an operator with a bulldozer trying to destroy someone's home and someone get's killed because the operator's in too much of a rush to destroy shiat that he can't take the time to make sure the person standing in front of him isn't going to end up underneath his several ton piece of machinery, that's at least criminally negligent homicide.

For the rest of the idiots that decried her politics, great. I'm not 100% on the Palestinian bandwagon either (or even 50% for that matter), but when Tats expresses his opinions we don't run him over. She took a stand, if Israel wanted her out of the way they could have forcibly removed her...instead they farking killed her.

It's still indefensible.
 
2012-08-28 05:06:17 PM  
If someone didn't get run over once in awhile, the gesture would be meaningless, since there would be no risk of life and limb.

The whole purpose of standing in front of a bulldozer is that you're daring them to run over you. Sooner or later someone will take you up on that dare.

Whether or not they should have been bulldozing that house, is the world supposed to agree that sitting in front of a bulldozer is some sort of joker card that trumps everything?
 
2012-08-28 05:26:04 PM  
Let me recap the thread:

Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews.
 
2012-08-28 05:39:48 PM  
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2012-08-28 05:41:28 PM  

fatalvenom: Let me recap the thread:

Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews.



Which Jews?
 
2012-08-28 06:11:14 PM  

Uncle Tractor: So it doesn't matter to you waht Israel ever does it will always be a plot to get back Jewish land and any deal they ever makeis just a ruse.

There is one thing Israel can do: Officially state that Gaza and the WB are part of Israel and grant the people who live there (arab and otherwise) full rights as israeli citizens.


There are many things they could do. They could equally declare the land Israel and the people there invading combatants.
 
2012-08-28 06:17:27 PM  

This text is now purple: Uncle Tractor: So it doesn't matter to you waht Israel ever does it will always be a plot to get back Jewish land and any deal they ever makeis just a ruse.

There is one thing Israel can do: Officially state that Gaza and the WB are part of Israel and grant the people who live there (arab and otherwise) full rights as israeli citizens.

There are many things they could do. They could equally declare the land Israel and the people there invading combatants.



Ever notice the similarities between Gnawzi Yermany and Xionist Xrael?

The ideology, the xenophobic racism, the vicious expansionism?

Weird, huh?
 
2012-08-28 06:17:48 PM  

This text is now purple: There are many things they could do. They could equally declare the land Israel and the people there invading combatants.


Invading combatants that have lived there for generations ...

No, the one-state solution is the only civilized outcome left.
 
2012-08-28 07:41:42 PM  
Hey biatch, next time get out of the way.
 
2012-08-28 07:53:29 PM  
I see that Tats the resident judeo-nazi chickenhawk is still around.
 
2012-08-28 08:08:44 PM  

clevershark: I see that Tats the resident judeo-nazi chickenhawk is still around.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com 

Very wise advice clevershark, you should take it.
 
2012-08-28 08:21:22 PM  

RoyBatty:
Very wise advice clevershark, you should take it.


I suppose it's telling that you've decided not to. Don't worry, you're right besides your boyfriend tats on my ignore list.
 
2012-08-28 08:22:32 PM  

clevershark: RoyBatty:
Very wise advice clevershark, you should take it.

I suppose it's telling that you've decided not to. Don't worry, you're right besides your boyfriend tats on my ignore list.


And you're into making homophobic jokes as well. You're a true Christian!

Woohoo!
 
2012-08-28 08:41:29 PM  
SkunkWerks>> Secret Master of All Flatulence: It was supposed to be a representation of the American
>> Flag.
>
>Pretty sure burning it is still legal over here- the flag, not college rule. Considered part of Freedom of
>Speech or some such I'm told. Not really sure that makes her a "monster" of some sort.

Hey buddy that's pretty insensitive! His daddy died in Vietnam for that flag.

Funny coincidence, mine says Made in Vietnam!

/RIP Bill
//Nobody died for a flag, ever
 
2012-08-28 10:57:16 PM  
Funny thing I saw while looking up this event.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/photostory-israeli-bulldozer-dr i ver-murders-american-peace-activist/4449

A website called "electronicintifada" which I assume is not predisposed to being fair and balanced ran the following picture:

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This was the caption: Picture taken at 4:45PM on 16 March 2003, Rafah, Occupied Gaza. Other peace activists tend to Rachel after she was fatally injured by the driver of the Israeli bulldozer (in background). This photo was taken seconds after the bulldozer driver dragged his blade over her for the second time while reversingback over her body. He lifted the blade as seen in the photo only after he had dragged it back over Rachel's body. This image clearly shows that had he lifted his blade at any time he may have avoided killing her, as the bottom section of the bulldozer is raised off the ground. Photo by Richard Purssell.

Lets assume that caption is mostly true.

The picture itself is a bit interesting. Lets take another look at it.

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Notice the area inside the red circle. I saw something funny there. There are 2 ridges (red arrows) where the bulldozer went forward, blade down, and backwards, blade up. The blade had to be up going backwards because the tire treads are visible. So, the bulldozer went forward and back at different angles.

You can see Rachel Corrie in between the treads when the bulldozer was going backwards, but if you look at where the edge of the ridge is when the bulldozer was moving forward, you'll see that the distance is greater than the length of the blade would have been moving forwards.

Rachel Corrie wasn't in front of the bulldozer, and it couldn't have run her over. She was off to the side, and got killed by debris from the earth being moved around her. The driver, if he saw her at all, would have seen her as not being in his path. There couldn't be malice aforethought for him to kill her if she wasn't even in front of him. Looks like she stood off to the side, wrongly assuming the ground wouldn't have moved from under feet.

Well, I guess my observation should point out who the prejudiced people here in the thread are. Opinion before facts.
 
2012-08-29 06:10:16 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: don't cry or make a martyr out of them


Swedish deals. I'm not.

But you really say we shouldn't throw everyone I think is stupid under a bulldozer? You're turning down a tremendous opportunity here. We could depopulate the planet by about 2/3rds.
 
2012-08-29 06:13:30 AM  

Tatsuma: Independent expert testifying for the Corrie Family


Anyone else see the logical problem with this phrase?
 
2012-08-29 07:31:33 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Notice the area inside the red circle. I saw something funny there. There are 2 ridges (red arrows) where the bulldozer went forward, blade down, and backwards, blade up. The blade had to be up going backwards because the tire treads are visible. So, the bulldozer went forward and back at different angles.


That's a good post, expect one problem; that is a crawler dozer. It has no tires.
 
2012-08-29 07:41:55 AM  
Hee
stupid person dies doing something idiotic and nobody else is at fault

And the world is no poorer
 
2012-08-29 11:34:38 AM  

Uncle Tractor: There is one thing Israel can do: Officially state that Gaza and the WB are part of Israel and grant the people who live there (arab and otherwise) full rights as israeli citizens.


Odd how you think when Israel gives land back, make peace with Egypt, gives its arab citizens rights it is all an evil plot to get all the land, that can onlybe disproven by a single state. But when Arabs elect a group that has removing all the jews from Israel as its stated goal then they really don't mean it and they will ive in peace with jews if there is one state.

Amos Quito: Ever notice the similarities between Gnawzi Yermany and Xionist Xrael?

The ideology, the xenophobic racism, the vicious expansionism?


Under Nazi Germany German Jews were all removed from them country adn millions of them were killed and they took over numerous countreis in wars they started, and only "returned land" when they were defeated.

Under Israel Israli Arabs gained the right to vote and enjoy a higher HDI and legal freedoms than any of the surrounding states. They have also given land back to Nations they were involved in wars with and moved out of Gaza.

So, no.


Uncle Tractor: Private ownership does not make land "jewish" or "arab" or anything else.


I didn't say private ownership.

I am pointing out how you think jews living there for thousands of years doesn't make it Jewish, but arabs living there for a few hundred makes it Arab, but there is no double standard.

Uncle Tractor: No, the one-state solution is the only civilized outcome left


Only if you take a civil war as "civilized". But Jews Israelis will be killed so I am sure you are fine with it.
 
2012-08-29 06:18:40 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: There is one thing Israel can do: Officially state that Gaza and the WB are part of Israel and grant the people who live there (arab and otherwise) full rights as israeli citizens.

Odd how you think when Israel gives land back, make peace with Egypt, gives its arab citizens rights it is all an evil plot to get all the land, that can onlybe disproven by a single state. But when Arabs elect a group that has removing all the jews from Israel as its stated goal then they really don't mean it and they will ive in peace with jews if there is one state.


I have no doubt there are plenty of arabs who "want to kill all jews", as you like to claim, but most just want to live their lives in peace. They're only human. Furthermore, this is a conflict that started in the late 1800s, and it has gone through several changes along the way. The peace deal with Egypt was in 1979(?). Today we have a west bank undergoing colonization and a Gaza strip that is little more than an open air prison.

However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?

Uncle Tractor: Private ownership does not make land "jewish" or "arab" or anything else.
I didn't say private ownership.

I am pointing out how you think jews living there for thousands of years doesn't make it Jewish, but arabs living there for a few hundred makes it Arab, but there is no double standard.


No, there isn't, because 90% of the people living there were arab. Therefore it was arab land. If 90% of the population had been jewish, the land would have been jewish. It's not double standards; it's math.

Uncle Tractor: No, the one-state solution is the only civilized outcome left

Only if you take a civil war as "civilized".


Why would there be a civil war? Yes, the extremists on both sides would try to kill everybody else, and this single-state would have to deal with domestic terrorists for at least one generation, but it wouldn't be civil war.

But Jews Israelis will be killed so I am sure you are fine with it.

Now you're being childish again.
 
2012-08-29 07:50:39 PM  

Uncle Tractor: However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?


A two state solution is far more liekly to work than a single state solution. Your only real argument against it is that you think Israel, no matter what they say or do, is bent on removing all the arabs.

Uncle Tractor: No, there isn't, because 90% of the people living there were arab. Therefore it was arab land. If 90% of the population had been jewish, the land would have been jewish. It's not double standards; it's math.


BS. According to maps you post, there were pockets of jewish land. Land where jews had lived for thousands of years. Why are those pockets not jewish land?

If it were "math" you would be able to spit out some specific criteria that you use to determine whose land it is, you can when you have been challenged int he past.


Uncle Tractor: Why would there be a civil war? Yes, the extremists on both sides would try to kill everybody else, and this single-state would have to deal with domestic terrorists for at least one generation, but it wouldn't be civil war.


Slightly different versions of Islam cause civil wars in that part of the world if one side is not clearly in power. You are also missing that the "extremists" (those that want to remove all of the "other side" from the area) are the major party for the Palestinians. Why would their position magically change?


Uncle Tractor: Now you're being childish again


Thinking a people who elected a group that wants to remove all the jews in the region, a group that celebrates people who murder jewish children, a group that would have the support of every surrounding country if there were a war wouldn't cause a civil war isn't childish?
 
2012-08-29 08:22:34 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?

A two state solution is far more liekly to work than a single state solution.



Ain't gonna' happen. "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" was the Zionist motto long before Hitler copied it. They're not going to abandon it now.


liam76: Your only real argument against it is that you think Israel, no matter what they say or do, is bent on removing all the arabs.



That's ridiculous. Who would be left to buy retail?
 
2012-08-29 08:31:31 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76: Uncle Tractor: However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?

A two state solution is far more liekly to work than a single state solution.


Ain't gonna' happen. "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" was the Zionist motto long before Hitler copied it. They're not going to abandon it now.


I am wondering who you think that leader was?

I am wondering why you think they felt that strongly for "one land" when some 40% of the zionists were good with the Uganda proposal? Or were those not the zionists that were pulling the strings behind WWI, WWII, and the Holocaust? It is so hard to keep your conspiracies straight.
 
2012-08-29 09:19:30 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: Uncle Tractor: However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?

A two state solution is far more liekly to work than a single state solution.


Ain't gonna' happen. "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" was the Zionist motto long before Hitler copied it. They're not going to abandon it now.

I am wondering who you think that leader was?



Ben Gurion, as it happened.

The Nazis didn't think Hitler was immortal, did they? Likewise the Zios remained flexible.

liam76: I am wondering why you think they felt that strongly for "one land" when some 40% of the zionists were good with the Uganda proposal?


1903???

The goal was a racist State for Xews - various locations were considered - Canada, Iraq, Libya, Australia... GALVESTON - which kind of shoots down your excuse that the Xios had valid claim to the land as it was the ancestral homeland of the Jews, doesn't it liam76?

Or was Galveston part of the "Promised Land"?

Keep lying, lad. It's fun to watch.
 
2012-08-30 04:06:36 AM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: However, you seem to be against the single-state solution, and the two-state solution is no longer possible. What would you suggest instead? Ethnic cleansing? Palestinian bantustans?

A two state solution is far more liekly to work than a single state solution.


You might have had a point if there had been any land left for the arabs, but that's not the case. No, Gaza and some bantustans on the WB is not enough for a palestinian state.

Your only real argument against it is that you think Israel, no matter what they say or do, is bent on removing all the arabs.

Shiat like this does lead one to that conclusion.

Uncle Tractor: No, there isn't, because 90% of the people living there were arab. Therefore it was arab land. If 90% of the population had been jewish, the land would have been jewish. It's not double standards; it's math.

BS. According to maps you post, there were pockets of jewish land.


Yeah. In 1946. In 1850, before the first aliyah? Zero.

Land where jews had lived for thousands of years. Why are those pockets not jewish land?

Again, you're confusing private ownership with demographics. Also, the jews that had lived there for the past two thousand years were sephardim. The zionists who came in search of living space were ashkenazim. Those are two different peoples.

Slightly different versions of Islam cause civil wars in that part of the world if one side is not clearly in power. You are also missing that the "extremists" (those that want to remove all of the "other side" from the area) are the major party for the Palestinians. Why would their position magically change?

Because it never existed to begin with. Hamas is only in Gaza and (IIRC) they were elected because there wasn't any real alternative. Besides; it's easy to hate your oppressors. There was a time when the average european wanted to kill all germans. That's not what happened.

Uncle Tractor: Now you're being childish again

Thinking a people who elected a group that wants to remove all the jews in the region, a group that celebrates people who murder jewish children, a group that would have the support of every surrounding country if there were a war wouldn't cause a civil war isn't childish?


Your constant direct / indirect accusations of anti-semitism are childish, and will always be childish. Grow up, kid.
 
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