If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Jerusalem Post)   Israeli court rules Israel not at fault in 2003 killing by Israeli military of non-Israeli activist Rachel Corrie   (jpost.com) divider line 265
    More: Followup, Rachel Corrie, Israelis, IDF, bulldozers, diplomacies, court ruling  
•       •       •

2940 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Aug 2012 at 6:14 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



265 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-08-28 02:53:04 AM
so much for a "jury of your peers" eh?
 
2012-08-28 03:02:47 AM
How does an American citizen sue a sovereign nation?
 
2012-08-28 03:04:27 AM

cman: How can an American citizen sue a sovereign nation?



Fixt. Not asking for how I could sue, I was asking for how a sovereign nation could be forced to defend itself in a court of law by a lowly American citizen
 
2012-08-28 03:11:03 AM
I don't know what surveillance tapes Israel has that they are supposedly keeping back, and I don't know if they had external observers in communication with the bulldozer operator,

But if this was in the US and it was a FARK headline of "Family of girl playing in construction site when heavily armored hard to see out of bulldozer strikes her loses lawsuit" most of us would be calling the girl a dumbass and telling the family something similar.

Most of us learned not to play in construction sites around bulldozers or stand in the blind spots of cars or trucks.

Just because you're a protester doesn't magically impart immunity to you.
 
2012-08-28 03:15:12 AM
Will they have a pancake breakfast to celebrate?
 
2012-08-28 03:39:31 AM

RoyBatty: I don't know what surveillance tapes Israel has that they are supposedly keeping back, and I don't know if they had external observers in communication with the bulldozer operator,

But if this was in the US and it was a FARK headline of "Family of girl playing in construction site when heavily armored hard to see out of bulldozer strikes her loses lawsuit" most of us would be calling the girl a dumbass and telling the family something similar.

Most of us learned not to play in construction sites around bulldozers or stand in the blind spots of cars or trucks.

Just because you're a protester doesn't magically impart immunity to you.


Except she wasnt at a "construction site", she was at the home of a Palestinian family where she was a guest. That bulldozer wasnt there to build something it was there to destroy that families home.

FTA: "Judge Gershon invokes "combatant activities" exception, says US activist who was killed by IDF bulldozer in Gaza could have avoided dangerous situation."

By this reasoning Israel could also avoid Katusha rockets if they'd just move Sderot
 
2012-08-28 03:43:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-28 04:02:19 AM

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 441x232]


What if "HERE" is your yard where your family lived for 5 generations?
 
2012-08-28 04:06:54 AM

Frederick: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 441x232]

What if "HERE" is your yard where your family lived for 5 generations?


I disagree with many of the Israeli policies.

But my main point is, don't stand in front of bulldozers, especially heavily armored bulldozers.

And if you're protesting the inhumane actions of a government that you detest by placing your body on the line, well, .... well there's a logic flaw there.
 
2012-08-28 04:22:13 AM

RoyBatty: Frederick: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 441x232]

What if "HERE" is your yard where your family lived for 5 generations?

I disagree with many of the Israeli policies.

But my main point is, don't stand in front of bulldozers, especially heavily armored bulldozers.

And if you're protesting the inhumane actions of a government that you detest by placing your body on the line, well, .... well there's a logic flaw there.


According to Wikipedia she was actually kneeling in front of the bulldozer immediately before this happened. I'm not familiar with this other than what I just read in the article and on her Wikipedia page but just based on that I don't see how you can come to a solid conclusion as to fault without choosing sides - either Israel is evil and they killed her on purpose or Israel would never do that and it was just a horrible accident. 

Oh, and since this is Fark, it seems I should post this:

www.ericthered.net
 
2012-08-28 04:33:09 AM

RoyBatty: And if you're protesting the inhumane actions of a government that you detest by placing your body on the line, well, .... well there's a logic flaw there.


Yeah, I cant argue that. She took that risk. And in a way I admire her passion. I dont have it. I've never put my life on the line for anything, let alone a belief.

I rate her action on par with the Tiananmen square standoff -well, except the Chinese are not Israelis and she was not as successful.
 
2012-08-28 04:41:11 AM
The whole thing over there is just tragedy piled on tragedy.
 
2012-08-28 05:11:25 AM

Frederick: I rate her action on par with the Tiananmen square standoff


That's where I disagree. Those men and women were Chinese citizens in China. Rachel was just, well...a butinski. I kind of blame her parents. There's video of her at ten years old making some kind of speech against world hunger. She kept repeating how she "cared". Later on she got interested in the Palestinian thing. She also use to appear in front of her food co-op handing out pro Palestinian flyers.From her wiki page:

After flying to Israel on January 22, 2003, Corrie underwent a two-day training course at ISM West Bank headquarters, before heading to Rafah to participate in ISM demonstrations.[6][8] During her training, Corrie studied tactics of direct action. Basic rules about avoiding harm were given, which a later article on the Corrie incident summarized as: "Wear fluorescent jackets. Don't run. Don't frighten the army. Try to communicate by megaphone. Make your presence known."[8] On January 27, 2003, Corrie and William Hewitt (also from Olympia), traveled to the Erez checkpoint and entered the Gaza Strip.[8]

So presto, decked out in her keffiyeh scarf she waltzes into a combat zone, i.e. the Gaza Strip, after two days of training. The locals thought her group was crazy and were a little suspicious of them. According to Wiki that made Rachel and the other protesters want to become more engaged and active in stopping the demolitions of housing. After all, she really cared so she had to prove that to the locals.

I have no doubt that some of the Palestinians welcomed her death as it brought in the press where otherwise nothing of the thousands of other deaths would do so. So Rachel was a blip on the radar, soon to be pretty much a nonevent in a decades old fight. It won't change the tide of events no matter how many websites, plays, or documentaries are made. I put her right up there with that John Walker Lindh dork. You want to go play where the spears are flying don't come crying to me when you get stuck.
 
2012-08-28 06:16:19 AM
israel needs to diaf. after shipping their hot women here.
 
2012-08-28 06:19:15 AM
Placing yourself in front of heavy machinery never ends well.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-08-28 06:20:28 AM

fusillade762: Placing yourself in front of heavy machinery never ends well.

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 395x234]


Just ask Arthur Dent.
 
2012-08-28 06:22:45 AM

RoyBatty: well there's a logic flaw there.


photos1.blogger.com
 
2012-08-28 06:25:58 AM

robohobo: israel needs to diaf. after shipping their hot women here.


as long as we can ship them back in 20yrs
 
2012-08-28 06:37:09 AM

cman: cman: How can an American citizen sue a sovereign nation?


Fixt. Not asking for how I could sue, I was asking for how a sovereign nation could be forced to defend itself in a court of law by a lowly American citizen


Google 'Federal long arm statute' for one, iirc.

Lawyer, but it's been ages since I studied that stuff...
 
2012-08-28 06:38:16 AM
Wait, wait.

She knelt infront of a Caterpiller D10 Armored Bulldozer blade? A piece of equipment that is as tall as a tractor-trailer, and blocks the vision of the operator?

What did she expect to happen? He would magically use his X-ray Vision to see her, and stop?

Sounds like a Darwin Award candidate. Had this happened in the US, you people would be mocking her relentlessly. But, since this is Israel, no examination of the matter is to be had. Clearly, they had just finished plotting their takeover for the rest of the world, and needed a blood sacrifice to appease Moses.
 
2012-08-28 06:38:36 AM

SkunkWerks: RoyBatty: well there's a logic flaw there.

[photos1.blogger.com image 576x432]


She really should have gone to the pub for a few pints of bitter
 
2012-08-28 06:50:17 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: SkunkWerks: RoyBatty: well there's a logic flaw there.

[photos1.blogger.com image 576x432]

She really should have gone to the pub for a few pints of bitter


Whilst getting the IDF officer in charge to kneel down in front of the Bulldozer in her place. I mean, it's pretty much agreed on that she'd be there all day anyway...
 
2012-08-28 06:50:29 AM

BronyMedic: Wait, wait.

She knelt infront of a Caterpiller D10 Armored Bulldozer blade? A piece of equipment that is as tall as a tractor-trailer, and blocks the vision of the operator?

What did she expect to happen? He would magically use his X-ray Vision to see her, and stop?

Sounds like a Darwin Award candidate. Had this happened in the US, you people would be mocking her relentlessly. But, since this is Israel, no examination of the matter is to be had. Clearly, they had just finished plotting their takeover for the rest of the world, and needed a blood sacrifice to appease Moses.


The bulldozer and Corrie were on private property. What would you do if a bulldozer prepared to demolish your house?

Dont be cavalier or attempt to misinform by creating your own context.
 
2012-08-28 06:56:26 AM

Frederick: The bulldozer and Corrie were on private property. What would you do if a bulldozer prepared to demolish your house?


Get the fark out of the way of the heavy machinery bearing down on me.

What would you do? Die?
 
2012-08-28 06:59:12 AM
28.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-28 06:59:20 AM

BronyMedic: Wait, wait.

She knelt infront of a Caterpiller D10 Armored Bulldozer blade? A piece of equipment that is as tall as a tractor-trailer, and blocks the vision of the operator?

What did she expect to happen? He would magically use his X-ray Vision to see her, and stop?

Sounds like a Darwin Award candidate. Had this happened in the US, you people would be mocking her relentlessly. But, since this is Israel, no examination of the matter is to be had. Clearly, they had just finished plotting their takeover for the rest of the world, and needed a blood sacrifice to appease Moses.


I *do* mock her relentlessly....
 
2012-08-28 06:59:56 AM
From the Beeb:

Judge Oded Gershon, presiding at the court in the town of Haifa, said Ms Corrie had been protecting terrorists in a designated combat zone.

He said the bulldozer driver had not seen her, adding the soldiers had done their utmost to keep people away from the site. "She [Corrie] did not distance herself from the area, as any thinking person would have done."


Straight talker, for a judge. Really, it's all that needs to be said about the matter.
 
2012-08-28 07:01:44 AM

Frederick: The bulldozer and Corrie were on private property. What would you do if a bulldozer prepared to demolish your house?


I would probably move out of the way. But luckily I live in a country of laws where some native american can't bulldoze my house because he had an ancestor living there 1500 years ago.

Statute of limitations, Israel. Learn what it means.
 
2012-08-28 07:04:35 AM

ShannonKW: From the Beeb:

Judge Oded Gershon, presiding at the court in the town of Haifa, said Ms Corrie had been protecting terrorists in a designated combat zone.

He said the bulldozer driver had not seen her, adding the soldiers had done their utmost to keep people away from the site. "She [Corrie] did not distance herself from the area, as any thinking person would have done."

Straight talker, for a judge. Really, it's all that needs to be said about the matter.


Apparently thinking people never protest anything. They certainly don't put their lives on the line in an act of selflessness and symbolism.

Thinking people never do that. Clearly.


That said, symbols do need to be seen, and I am kinda wondering why you'd intentionally put yourself in a position where the driver can't see you. I get why you might find yourself in the path of a bulldozer as a matter of protest. As Corrie was a protester, this kind of stuff had to be almost routine, I'd imagine.

She got sloppy... I guess?
 
2012-08-28 07:06:53 AM
I'd stand in front of a bulldozer, but I sure as shiat wouldn't clamber up the rotating pill of dirt that is being push along by it.
 
2012-08-28 07:07:21 AM
I've worked around heavy equipment all my professional life. Their line of site can be very poor at times, much less an "armored" version like shown in the picture.

It's generally not a good idea to get in front of them period, much less at a distance under 50'.
 
2012-08-28 07:07:59 AM

deffuse: I'd stand in front of a bulldozer, but I sure as shiat wouldn't clamber up the rotating pile of dirt that is being push along by it.


FFM
 
2012-08-28 07:17:31 AM
The state, he continued, was not responsible for any "damages caused" due to the combat situation but nonetheless called Corrie's death a "regrettable accident."


Except for... you know... mowing down the girl with the bulldozer.
 
2012-08-28 07:18:46 AM

Frederick: BronyMedic: Wait, wait.

She knelt infront of a Caterpiller D10 Armored Bulldozer blade? A piece of equipment that is as tall as a tractor-trailer, and blocks the vision of the operator?

What did she expect to happen? He would magically use his X-ray Vision to see her, and stop?

Sounds like a Darwin Award candidate. Had this happened in the US, you people would be mocking her relentlessly. But, since this is Israel, no examination of the matter is to be had. Clearly, they had just finished plotting their takeover for the rest of the world, and needed a blood sacrifice to appease Moses.

The bulldozer and Corrie were on private property. What would you do if a bulldozer prepared to demolish your house?

Dont be cavalier or attempt to misinform by creating your own context.


You do something deemed illegal in your country and tell me just how long that property remains private. Also, was the land truly privately owned? If you don't know, you should check out there property laws.

The reason this girl is dead is because she wasn't smarter/tougher than the bulldozer.

The reason she was in front of the bulldozer is inconsiquential.
 
2012-08-28 07:19:18 AM
For all the goofy farksticks out there she was standing on a dirt embankment in front of the bulldozer, the bulldozer moved forward, causing the embankment to collapse. She fell and her foot became stuck in the dirt. Over her screams and the protestations of the bystanders the bulldozer ran her over, gravely wounding her. Then the operator put it in reverse and backed over her, killing her.

You cannot justify this conduct. Do not try. She was trying to make a stand for what she believed in, agree or disagree she should have been arrested and detained. Not murdered. End of story, Israeli apologists need to get a grip.
 
2012-08-28 07:20:17 AM
The people who deliberately murdered Rachel Corrie are now lying about it?

Shocked, I'm shocked.
 
2012-08-28 07:22:21 AM
It's true, it was Corries fault that Israel bulldozes people's homes and farms as part of their calculated land grab.
 
2012-08-28 07:22:40 AM

Frederick: BronyMedic: Wait, wait.

She knelt infront of a Caterpiller D10 Armored Bulldozer blade? A piece of equipment that is as tall as a tractor-trailer, and blocks the vision of the operator?

What did she expect to happen? He would magically use his X-ray Vision to see her, and stop?

Sounds like a Darwin Award candidate. Had this happened in the US, you people would be mocking her relentlessly. But, since this is Israel, no examination of the matter is to be had. Clearly, they had just finished plotting their takeover for the rest of the world, and needed a blood sacrifice to appease Moses.

The bulldozer and Corrie were on private property. What would you do if a bulldozer prepared to demolish your house?

Dont be cavalier or attempt to misinform by creating your own context.


Simple. Get the fark out of the way...

I may not like it, but preservation of life comes first. Make sure everyone is evacuated from the building, grab the essentials, and live to fight another day.

/don't agree with the Isreali policy here
//not going to die for it
///judge's reasoning behind verdict is still chickenpoop
 
2012-08-28 07:22:45 AM

jrw8778: For all the goofy farksticks out there she was standing on a dirt embankment in front of the bulldozer, the bulldozer moved forward, causing the embankment to collapse. She fell and her foot became stuck in the dirt. Over her screams and the protestations of the bystanders the bulldozer ran her over, gravely wounding her. Then the operator put it in reverse and backed over her, killing her.

You cannot justify this conduct. Do not try. She was trying to make a stand for what she believed in, agree or disagree she should have been arrested and detained. Not murdered. End of story, Israeli apologists need to get a grip.


Dude, I've been called an anti-Semite racist by Fark's resident Super Jew in Israel related threads. This isn't a case of apologizing for Israel. This is a case of "Don't get in front of a mother farking bulldozer."
 
2012-08-28 07:23:31 AM

SkunkWerks: Apparently thinking people never protest anything. They certainly don't put their lives on the line in an act of selflessness and symbolism.

Thinking people never do that. Clearly.


Apparently the judge assumed that she did not intend to martyr herself. If that were assumed, it certainly wouldn't have been the IDF's responsibility that she chose to commit suicide by bulldozer, and the case might have been even more straightforward. OTOH, if she wasn't intending to severely endanger her life, it was absurdly foolish to act as she did. This has nothing to do with the justice of her cause nor the wisdom of staging protests in general. Any protester who expects to survive the protest, but acts in a way that is obviously likely to kill her, is not thinking clearly.
 
2012-08-28 07:24:30 AM

Satanic_Hamster: I've worked around heavy equipment all my professional life. Their line of site can be very poor at times, much less an "armored" version like shown in the picture.

It's generally not a good idea to get in front of them period, much less at a distance under 50'.


For reference here is a picture I took during reserve training a couple of years ago of the type of armored bulldozer in question.

I'm in the IDF Combat Engineers Corps, and the bulldozer drivers are one of our units. We usually have a few when we do big maneuvers. Way back when in Basic or Advanced training we got to operate one. They are BIG Motherfarkers, and yes, sight lines suck.
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-08-28 07:26:26 AM

jaybeezey: You do something deemed illegal in your country and tell me just how long that property remains private.


What did those palestinians do that was illegal? Own land in the zionist living space?
 
2012-08-28 07:26:38 AM

tjassen: Satanic_Hamster: I've worked around heavy equipment all my professional life. Their line of site can be very poor at times, much less an "armored" version like shown in the picture.

It's generally not a good idea to get in front of them period, much less at a distance under 50'.

For reference here is a picture I took during reserve training a couple of years ago of the type of armored bulldozer in question.

I'm in the IDF Combat Engineers Corps, and the bulldozer drivers are one of our units. We usually have a few when we do big maneuvers. Way back when in Basic or Advanced training we got to operate one. They are BIG Motherfarkers, and yes, sight lines suck.
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]


Posting this to put things in context obviously will make you be viewed as a racist and a misogynist.
 
2012-08-28 07:27:24 AM

Uncle Tractor: What did those palestinians do that was illegal? Own land in the zionist living space?


Be non-Jewish on a sunny day.
 
2012-08-28 07:28:38 AM
encrypted-tbn3.google.com


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-08-28 07:29:19 AM

jrw8778: For all the goofy farksticks out there she was standing on a dirt embankment in front of the bulldozer, the bulldozer moved forward, causing the embankment to collapse. She fell and her foot became stuck in the dirt. Over her screams and the protestations of the bystanders the bulldozer ran her over, gravely wounding her. Then the operator put it in reverse and backed over her, killing her.

You cannot justify this conduct. Do not try. She was trying to make a stand for what she believed in, agree or disagree she should have been arrested and detained. Not murdered. End of story, Israeli apologists need to get a grip.


This goofy farkstick would like a citation. Honestly I'm not familiar with the particulars of this incident, and the link at the top of this thread doesn't get into detail.

So, until I see some preponderance of evidence here it's just a bunch of people posting their own pet version of what happened.

/goofy like that
 
2012-08-28 07:31:52 AM
FaRk YoU Israeli Court, judge, and military.

That is all.
 
2012-08-28 07:32:19 AM

jrw8778: Over her screams and the protestations of the bystanders the bulldozer ran her over, gravely wounding her.


Oh, and this?

Dude, I have heavy equipment where the cab sound levels are at over 100 decibels. Just from the engine. Construction equipment is *loud*.
 
2012-08-28 07:34:46 AM
Look, I'm gonna start swinging my arms around and walking toward you. It's not my fault when you get hit by my arms. Protesters are just stupid. As long as they are trying to defend something I oppose. Like the people living on the land I was given by edict 60 years ago that they and their ancestors lived on for millenia before that. I was also given weapons and material to "defend" "my" land. If they wanted the land more, they get something better than "human shields".
 
2012-08-28 07:35:48 AM
American foreign policy says that Israel is never at fault for anything anyway.
 
Displayed 50 of 265 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report