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(CBS News)   Gov Bobby Jindal (R -La) experiences his "Come to Obama" moment   (cbsnews.com) divider line 128
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2012-08-28 08:28:42 AM
11 votes:

r1niceboy: And then when Obama questions the spending, Jindal will claim he's abandoning Louisiana to the elements.


It's not fair to hold conservatives to their beliefs when it comes time for them to actually hold fast to their beliefs.

Conservatives are like petulant teenagers. They think they're an island of solutions and can do everything for themselves, know better than everyone else, etc, but the instant you actually leave them to their own devices when things get a little rough they have a hissy fit, start crying for mommy and scream that it's unfair that you're doing exactly what they asked you to.

I'm all for helping them with their little hurricane problem because, as a liberal, I understand how reality works, but I'm still going to mock the shiat out these knobs every time they come pestering for a handout as long as they keep up this stupid "GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT, SHRINK IT, NO VOLCANO MONITORING!" garbage. 

Just don't waste my money buying bootstraps, okay guys?
2012-08-28 08:21:22 AM
11 votes:
I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.
2012-08-28 02:16:59 AM
10 votes:
Sorry Bobby, it all went to billionaires' tax refunds.
2012-08-28 02:34:25 AM
8 votes:
Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."
2012-08-28 08:28:16 AM
6 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.
2012-08-28 08:12:32 AM
6 votes:
We will need offsetting cuts in spending on defense and oil subsidies.
2012-08-28 07:33:44 AM
6 votes:

teto85: Sorry Bobby, it all went to billionaires' tax refunds.


Let's be fair. Some of it went to jet engines the Air Force doesn't even want.
2012-08-28 01:57:09 AM
6 votes:
So now he DOES want the federal government to pay for everything.

I guess we aren't supposed to notice (again)?
2012-08-28 08:16:06 AM
5 votes:
Maybe the state of Louisiana could sue the RNC for praying the storm away from their convention and towards New Orleans.
Yes, yes, you can't sue someone for acts of God, but I don't see why you can't sue them for their actions which lead to God changing his mind and shifting his point of aim.
2012-08-28 03:17:52 AM
5 votes:
Like he didn't think another hurricane might hit.

Shoud've started a Hurricane Savings Account (HSA).
2012-08-28 02:05:03 AM
5 votes:
thinkprogress.org

once you get some of that Obama stimulus package you gotta come back for more.
2012-08-28 09:56:57 AM
4 votes:
gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.
2012-08-28 09:25:33 AM
4 votes:
Let's clear one thing up: barring a secret fark account or two, no one in here is actually in a position to withhold funding from Louisiana. So the sudden influx of neocons accusing liberals of playing politics with disaster relief is both misguided and hilarious.

Thanks to the liberal belief that the federal government is here to help in every way feasible, Louisiana will get all the federal aid that it needs. All commentary in this thread to the contrary is just us liberals having some fun at Jindal's expense because of the hypocritical nature of his policies versus this request.
2012-08-28 08:51:51 AM
4 votes:

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.


Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.
2012-08-28 08:31:10 AM
4 votes:

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.
2012-08-28 08:28:08 AM
4 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.
2012-08-28 08:22:56 AM
4 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


You should tell Jindal that.
2012-08-28 08:20:19 AM
4 votes:

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


www.bartcop.com

Jindal should ask the RNC for help.
2012-08-28 08:13:29 AM
4 votes:
It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.
2012-08-28 10:08:31 AM
3 votes:

GooberMcFly: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

You should tell Jindal that.


Actually, he isn't asking for "help to the state he governs" - he's already getting that. What he is asking for, according to the article, is that the federal government pay not just for the direct federal assistance his state is already receiving, but also that the federal government reimburse his state government for the help his government was already paid to provide (y'know, that whole "taxes" thing.)

That's the embarrassment here. After his bootstrappy posturing, he now thinks it's OK to tell the federal goverment to support his state in its entirety because it had an unforeseen emergency. He doesn't just want "help", he wants Big Guv'mint to make it all better at the expense of the taxpayers from the rest of the country - one of the very things about which he and others of his ilk whine incessantly.
2012-08-28 09:07:24 AM
3 votes:
Ya, remember when the GOP wanted to withhold funds to rebuild Joplin when half the town was wiped of the map by a tornado? Because the were too busy holding the economy hostage and destroying our credit rating?

/ Good Times...
2012-08-28 08:57:09 AM
3 votes:
Bootstrap it Jindal. Show us how it is done. The Federal Gov is not under any obligation to repay states for emergency preparedness measures, that's your job, do it. Pass a law allowing more Federal control if you don't like that, you socialist. GO AHEAD DO IT.
2012-08-28 08:34:14 AM
3 votes:

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.HOW DARE IT BE SUGGESTED THAT A CONSERVATIVE HOLD TO HIS OWN BELIEFS! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


Go be butthurt somewhere else crybaby. Louisiana will get what it needs (unlike the last time we had this problem) and asschunks like Jindal and his supporters will get the taunting and mockery they deserve.

Then the asschunks will go right back to bleating about how the government can't do anything right while cashing their government checks.
2012-08-28 08:30:43 AM
3 votes:
Give them the money. Just require Jindal to do a photo-op shaking hands with Obama.
2012-08-28 08:25:45 AM
3 votes:
Still not as bad as Perry grandstanding about secession, and then putting a hand out when Texas had all those wildfires last year.

A lot of these Republican governors remind me of spoiled teenagers. You know the kind. The ones who tell their parents to go fark themselves, then ask for their allowance an hour later.
2012-08-28 08:22:12 AM
3 votes:
He doesn't have a hurricane voucher? He could shop around for the cheapest hurricane disaster aid assistance. He's got 24 hours to do it.
Bobby feels very entitled and loves that government hammock.
2012-08-28 12:52:27 PM
2 votes:
Remember when Obama forced BP to put $20 Billion aside for clean-up efforts (mostly for LA) and Republicans apologized for Obama's behavior to the oil industry. Good times.
2012-08-28 11:58:50 AM
2 votes:

RyogaM: JackieRabbit: RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.

No, they won't. The Congress may appropriate money for such a purpose, but they have no authority to disburse it. That authority resides solely with the Office of the President of the United States. He is the chief executive and he runs the government, not Congress.

Right, but it's more likely to be disbursed if the Congress authorizes it first. Can the president even refuse to disburse funds appropriated by the Congress? I thought that was settled with a no.

In fact, what Jindal is requesting marks a dangerous precedent. He's basically saying the president should have sole discretion to disburse federal money to states to reimburse a state for ordinary state expenses, ordinary meaning, a state in a hurricane prone area should ordinary be preparing for hurricanes, without any Congressional oversight. Sees dangerous to me.


When the president declares a state of emergency, he can disburse money without congressional approval. If the amount is quite large, he can ask Congress for a special appropriation, so that he doesn't have to divert too much money from federal programs. The president is not required to spend any money appropriated by Congress for a specific use. He can issue an executive order to not pursue the funded activity and leave the money in the treasury. He cannot divert the money to other uses, however.

Jindal is just playing politics and attempting to paint the president. The State of Louisiana, like all states, receives annual federal funding to assist with hurricane and other disaster planning. After Karina, one would think that the state would now have a fully funded storm preparation plan. If they don't, that reflects badly on Jindal and his government. If I were Jindal, I'd be backing away with a confrontation with Barack Obama over this. It's one thing to attempt to politically embarrass the president, but outright pissing him off, when you need his help, is not going to get you anywhere.
2012-08-28 11:30:55 AM
2 votes:
Obama should hold an hour-long press conference detailing his decision-making process in this matter, specifying how the funds are going the be used, discussing the importance of federal aid to the states, etc.

. . . just so he can use the terms "Bobby Jindal" and "government money" in the same sentence a thousand times.
2012-08-28 10:45:23 AM
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't.


However, this is unquestionably the first step towards that goal. He can't blame Obama for not helping when the aid is already authorized. He has to make an unreasonable request that is certain to be denied before he can claim that his pleas fell on deaf ears.
2012-08-28 10:29:06 AM
2 votes:
Let's try to look at the facts, and see if there is evidence to support the contention that Jindal is trying to make a political statement by asking Obama for reimbursement of state preparation funds.

Fact: Jindal is a Republican, Obama is a Democrat. Obviously, Jindal would like to make Obama look bad just for this reason.

Fact: We are in the midst of a closely contested presidential race, making Obama look bad is especially important right now.

Fact: Obama has already pledged direct federal assistance to the area, the type of assistance standard in emergencies of this sort.

Fact: Jindal appears to be asking for extraordinary assistance in the request for a black check to pay back state funds.

Fact: Jindal is asking Obama for these funds, and, if Obama refuses these funds, could be construed as not helping LA enough.

Fact: Jindal has apparently not asked the Republicans in the House or the Senate for a special disbursement of emergency "Blank check" funds.

Fact: It's odd that Jindal would ask for a reimbursement now, rather than concentrate on doing what is needed and worrying about the money later. However, Jindal could be doing both at the same time, so not too much should be made of this.

These facts strongly support the assertion that Jindal has political reasons to ask for the black check from Obama, rather than Congress directly.
2012-08-28 09:59:59 AM
2 votes:
the best thing to do, IMHO, would be to evacuate ALL of NO, break all the levees and let the water find its level. Then rebuild on higher ground. Think of all the jobs that would create!
2012-08-28 09:59:30 AM
2 votes:

andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


I didn't give a "guy" on the other "side". Here's a raving hypocrite, like Ron Paul with his "earmarks are bad, except for when I need them" crap. You can't make a principled stand and then go against that principle. He should not have done the stunt about Medicaid, it's stupid. He only serves his people when it's politically convenient. Good for him for requesting aid. It doesn't mean I can't call him an insufferable hypocritical douchebag nontheless.
2012-08-28 09:42:12 AM
2 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Preparedness for local emergencies is the state's job. Especially if the emergency recurs frequently and you have warning that it is coming. It's your job Jindal, do it. The Federal government should not write you a blank check. If we had what you have been bleating about it would not be coming to help after the disaster either. Do your job.


I actually don't mind a governor asking for emergency funds.

I do mind this governor, who argues the federal government should not spend money on volcano monitoring and satellites (some of which provide us with weather updates) and should instead concentrate on the economy, publically chastising the federal government when they don't give him more emergency funds.
2012-08-28 09:24:10 AM
2 votes:

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Except Jindal's criticism is in no way legitimate. Mr. Federal Government Shouldn't Pay for Volcano Monitoring is crying that the federal government won't write him a blank check to cover costs associated with expected expenses.

Then you have apologists like yourself who whine about the people pointing and laughing at the blatant hypocrisy. Go piss up a rope.
2012-08-28 09:21:05 AM
2 votes:

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Louisiana is one of the ten poorest states in the country. According to the infamous "red states are welfare states" table from 2005, Louisiana also gets about $1.78 back in aid for every $1.00 it sends to the federal government.

Your argument is demonstrably wrong.
2012-08-28 09:20:54 AM
2 votes:
You know what, fark Louisiana. Fark em right in their gawddamn ear. They elected a teabagger for governor, that those dumbasses suffer the consequences. They wanted it, let them have it.

See also: Wisconsin (twice), Ohio, Texas, Mississippi...
2012-08-28 09:17:19 AM
2 votes:

RexTalionis: Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?

No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.


The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.


Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event. It wouldn't be difficult at all for the government of Louisiana to tax its residents at a rate that would allow them to accumulate a rainy day fund to cover these expenses. Instead, they will just pass the cost on to the rest of the country while keeping their tax rate low. This is Republicanism 101.
2012-08-28 09:14:56 AM
2 votes:

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
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Please, tell me how you're rubber and I'm glue.

Face it. Obama gave the order. When that happened, you turned pro-bin Laden. Why do you want the terrorists to win, sympathizer?
2012-08-28 09:11:54 AM
2 votes:
Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country
2012-08-28 09:08:38 AM
2 votes:

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


National Minimum Drinking Age Act

The interesting part...

Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on July 17, 1984
2012-08-28 09:07:08 AM
2 votes:

The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?


The GOP.
2012-08-28 08:59:52 AM
2 votes:

Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?


No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.
2012-08-28 08:48:34 AM
2 votes:
Wow ... that's pretty socialist of him. I thought socialism was the death of America and something that republicans were 100% against. Until their state needs some money I guess.
2012-08-28 08:34:34 AM
2 votes:

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


Obama offered complete assistance, but Jindal says he doesn't want that. Jindal wants a blank check.
2012-08-28 08:21:06 AM
2 votes:

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


Translation - "LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HYPOCRISY!"
2012-08-28 08:17:49 AM
2 votes:

Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.


Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment
2012-08-28 08:16:45 AM
2 votes:
But.. but... government is the DEVIL!!! 

/Two-faced jackass
2012-08-28 08:13:28 AM
2 votes:
"We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Is this guy for farking real?
2012-08-28 02:45:10 AM
2 votes:

LIGAFF: At least it's not a volcano, right?


Damn, I forgot about that particular Epic Fail. If Jindal starts scoffing at the CDC, we are well and truly farked.
2012-08-28 02:42:11 AM
2 votes:
At least it's not a volcano, right?
2012-08-28 11:17:08 PM
1 votes:

steamingpile:

Building up a business is something they have nothing to do with and is the result of sweat and hard work.


And roads, and bridges, and public schools, and teachers, and courts of law, with judges and DAs to handle cases of contract law, and firemen and policemen, and streetlights, and road repair crews, and sewer lines, and an electric grid... etc.

Yeah, government has absolutely nothing to do with business. Nosiree.

Except provide a nice stable framework where you can start one and keep it going. 

/government is to rebar as business is to concrete
2012-08-28 03:45:24 PM
1 votes:
Shouldn't there be a law that, if you are a federally negative funded state (i.e. you take more than you give), then you are not allowed to carry on and on about how evil socialism is???

Because, it seems to me, that the federal government would be very happy to grant you your greatest wish of reducing your federal taxes to zero as long as they are able to reduce the money they give you back to zero as well.

It is win-win. The state stops being hypocrites and the feds save money!!
2012-08-28 03:29:07 PM
1 votes:
Another Republican leader of an ignorant backwater with his hand out.
2012-08-28 02:40:32 PM
1 votes:
As long as none of it goes to schools.
2012-08-28 12:20:30 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Reagan even threatened to withhold federal highway funds from states that didn't ratify the National Minimum Drinking Age Act:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1092767630.html
2012-08-28 12:10:46 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: propasaurus: Eric Cantor, for one.

Now, while I do think that was bad, he was not against Joplin getting aid. He just wanted some offsetting cuts in what he viewed as wasteful spending. Damn bad time to try that maneuver though.


That's one way to put it. Another would be that he held Joplin hostage for his pet-cuts. Seriously, it was disgusting, unprincipled grandstanding and Eric Cantor should be universally reviled for even being willing to play games with a natural disaster like that. Farking sociopath.
2012-08-28 12:08:32 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: RussianPooper: What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.

Who co-opted it now? I've never seen a rightwinger use the term.


Really?

"I got my education from the University of Idaho because that's what I could afford. No, I don't come from the self-proclaimed 'movers and shakers' group and that's fine with me. It's caused me, or rather, allowed me, to work harder and pull myself up by my bootstraps without anyone else helping me. I think it allows me to be in touch with the vast majority of Americans who are in the same position that I am."

Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Nominee 2008.
2012-08-28 11:38:28 AM
1 votes:

max_pooper: trappedspirit: Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?

It's a term beloved by the GOP apologists who happen to be rugged individualist that would never under any circumstances need governmental support. When said rugged individualists ask for governmental support it is fun to point our their complete and utter hypocrisy by using their buzzwords and catch phrases against them.


What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.
2012-08-28 11:20:43 AM
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: Paul Baumer: If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.

You know, I get that giving wealthy donors the ambassadorship to Luxembourg or making them head of the President's Council on Jazzercise is a long-standing tradition on both sides...but the head of farking FEMA?


And the thing is, statistically you know FEMA is going to be called out several times a year to a greater or lesser extent, and at least one big one every couple of years, so it's not even if you can pretend you can get lucky and his leadership wouldn't be needed for his term in charge. It does make you wonder if the accusation the GOP is "proving government sucks by screwing it up" isn't just hyperbole/satire, but an accurate assessment of their strategy. It seems like it should be too silly to be real and just an exaggeration, but stuff like that appointment really make you wonder.
2012-08-28 11:00:54 AM
1 votes:

Aarontology: 2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.

Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.


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2012-08-28 10:50:54 AM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: RyogaM: What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?

Now you're just purposefully being obtuse and trying to divert the issue.

Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't. That the posters here making it political aren't the ones starting it.

Because Republicans make you do things.


No, I think the facts are such that there is strong evidence that Jindal is politicizing the request for a blank check. I think Jindal did start it, and that the posters who recognize Jindal's attempt should be applauded for their astute observation of the political sphere we now find ourselves in. I think people who fail to see that Jindal's request seems to be an attempt to make Obama look bad, in addition to being an attempt to make LA's budget look better, probably are a little naive or are Republican apologists. Neither side should be insulted or made to feel they have some mental health concerns, except for the Republican apologists, who are clearly nuts.
2012-08-28 10:43:21 AM
1 votes:
The Muthaship: Now, while I do think that was bad, (Eric Cantor) was not against Joplin getting aid. He just wanted some offsetting cuts in what he viewed as wasteful spending. Damn bad time to try that maneuver though.

When is it ever a "damn bad time" to try and push the GOP agenda? The Republicans have shown time and again that they're willing to hold anyone (population of Joplin, Missouri) or anything (America's credit rating) hostage if it means furthering the Right Wing agenda. And all while praising Jebus and wearing a lapel flag and telling each other they love their country.
2012-08-28 10:37:45 AM
1 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


the dude has a long history of bemoaning the federal aid he gets. see the pictures above of the stimulus checks. those reflect what many republicans did, piss and moan and spend the money. he has also turned down the federal medicaid help that come with the ACA because socialism or some crap. actually he doesn't like that it make us pay some downstream in year 3 or 4.

and i said us because i live in LA and will be getting real wet in the next 36 hours. bobby has done every tea party thing you can do with a budget and now we have no money and he's complaining that Obama isn't helping enough.

it's disgusting.
2012-08-28 10:37:07 AM
1 votes:
Bobby Jindal is the bum who asks you for a dollar outside the Newark Penn Station McDonald's so he can get a burger, and then when you're kind enough to give him one he asks for another dollar for some fries.

Fark him.
2012-08-28 10:32:01 AM
1 votes:

More_Like_A_Stain: On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being stick your dick in a light socket and 10 being that you think you can shiat play-doh, how stupid are you?


Please don't engage the performance artist playing the stereotypical angry rightwing dumbfark, maybe he'll finally go away.
2012-08-28 10:29:20 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."

Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


Where did you see this?
2012-08-28 10:26:38 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."

Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being stick your dick in a light socket and 10 being that you think you can shiat play-doh, how stupid are you?
2012-08-28 10:21:14 AM
1 votes:
From my (limited) experience working Federal emergency response operations, I don't think Federal aid works that wthe way Mr. Jindal thinks it does.

If Louisiana and the Fedearl Government had agreements on preventative measures that the Federal government is now refusing to reimburse, that'd be one thing. If the State just decided they were going to build a bunch of stuff and then charge the Federal government later, that's another thing entirely.

Generally speaking, any emergency response requests get coordinated and requested through the State, then routed up to the appropriate Federal agency for distribution and payment. The State doesn't get to provide whatever they want and then expect the Feds to reimburse everything, no questions asked.

Granted, I don't know the full story, but it sounds like Jindal is asking for a blank check, which isn't just a waste of many, it could lead to gross mismanagement of finite resources and manpower that could do a lot of damage and potentially get people hurt.
2012-08-28 10:15:06 AM
1 votes:
This is the same moron who approved barrier islands because he complained that Obama wasn't doing enough to halt the BP oil spill despite scientists telling him it was a dumb idea. He got to grandstand about taking state initiative over the Feds only to watch his expensive project wash away. Why the fark would anyone give this man a blank check?
2012-08-28 10:01:41 AM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!

What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"


and all this spending will be used to thrash him over the head with later on. just like all their tax cut debt. tarp debt. medicare part d debt. war debt. like it's somehow all attributed to Obama's socialist agenda and it was all given to blacks of welfare.
2012-08-28 09:56:30 AM
1 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


I think you are the one being obtuse. Maybe if republicans would quit yelling about socialism and how bad government is we wouldn't want to rub their noses in stuff like this. They want to pretend that taxes are unfairly redistributed instead of acknowledging that there is a need in a civilized society to share certain burdens.
2012-08-28 09:56:26 AM
1 votes:

RyogaM: BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.

See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.


This. The US did not event emergency management processes. These exist everywhere in the world and pretty much follow the same hierarchical process. Local authorities do what needs to be done. If it exceeds their capabilities they go to regional authorities and they do what needs to be done and so on up to Federal or even International level if necessary.

You don't think about budgets in an emergency, you spend and sort it out later. If people's lives are at stake and you don't authorize an expenditure you are a complete idiot.
2012-08-28 09:50:05 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that fark you, not enough money and too many restrictions
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...


ftfy
2012-08-28 09:47:54 AM
1 votes:

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?


Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...
2012-08-28 09:45:31 AM
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.


You know, I get that giving wealthy donors the ambassadorship to Luxembourg or making them head of the President's Council on Jazzercise is a long-standing tradition on both sides...but the head of farking FEMA?
2012-08-28 09:44:53 AM
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Headso:
If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.

Is that why we give food aid to North Korea when we know that most of it goes straight to feed the army? In the hope that some will reach the actual starving people?


No, we give food aid to North Korea because China doesn't want millions of starving North Korean refugees pouring across their border. It's a simple way to endear ourselves to China that also happens to have humanitarian benefits.
2012-08-28 09:40:50 AM
1 votes:

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

2012-08-28 09:40:48 AM
1 votes:

Headso: More_Like_A_Stain: Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.

Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.

If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.


Sending aid in the form of personnel, equipment, and supplies effectively deals with the disaster while reducing the opportunity for corruption. A blank check just invites more corruption with no guarantee of actual disaster relief at all. Based on the results of the last time a hurricane hit NOLA, and the efforts of Jindal and crew during the BP oil spill, there is no reason to expect that simply guaranteeing reimbursement of 100% of the States expenditures will have a more positive effect than sending direct aid. Perhaps if LA, NOLA and Jindal himself had a better track record, this would be less of an issue.
2012-08-28 09:40:29 AM
1 votes:

immrlizard: Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work


Every state should get a voucher for based on the amount of tax as it paid in. Be careful what you wish for Republicans, I think that this would actually be a good idea to balance the budget. Bring it on.
2012-08-28 09:40:01 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


This is a very good example. Louisiana did fine during the actual hurricane. The problem were the levees which failed unexpectedly after the hurricane. In this case, the flooding was a unexpected event. sinc ethe levees weren't topped and were supposed to handle that volume of water.

Mississippi, on the other hand got prison raped by Katrina, the Hurricane.
2012-08-28 09:40:00 AM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Does it really make you feel better to point out that Jindal is simply being an idiot instead of partisan on this matter?


I think pointing out the stupidity of some farkers is an easy yet satisfying endeavor sometimes.

"Jindal is being partisan!!!"
"Really? You think he's doing this because Obama is a Democrat?"
"Who said anything about him being a Democrat? You idiot!!!"
"It's what partisan means. Doing things because of party affiliation"
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2012-08-28 09:38:57 AM
1 votes:
Right wingers: your stance is self reliance, build it yourself, and no government help.

How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?
2012-08-28 09:38:10 AM
1 votes:

Muta: Louisiana is Americas Swap Castle. They said I was stupid for building a castle in a swap but I built it anyway. It sank into the swap. I built another one and it sank too.


Yeah, idiots building in the mouth of one of the world's largest river system that leads into the heart of one of the most abudant agricultural, industial and natural resource development area on the planet is just INSANE!.
2012-08-28 09:36:33 AM
1 votes:
Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work
2012-08-28 09:34:55 AM
1 votes:

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"
2012-08-28 09:33:40 AM
1 votes:

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


But on the other paw, he has in the past come out against all forms of federal spending, disaster assistance, hurricane studies and detection, volcano and earth quake studies and detection. And now he's asking for all this money, plus money they would have spent even if there wasn't a hurricane. This isn't the first time the state has had to deal with a hurricane, shouldn't have they prepared for this?
2012-08-28 09:33:30 AM
1 votes:
If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.
2012-08-28 09:33:04 AM
1 votes:
White House to Gov. Jindal: fark you! Politic with your own goddamned money, asshole. If the storm hits, we'll help; we always have. How very typical of you Republican governors to deride the federal government as too big, too bloated, too wasteful, etc. until you need it to bail your sorry asses out of a jam, because of a lack of governance on your part.
2012-08-28 09:21:55 AM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT" or "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BLACK." Furthermore, some people have pointed out in this thread why Jindal should perhaps not be trusted to have a blank check on emergency spending, what with creating sand berms to try and stop the oil that most scientists said "This would be a waste of time and money".

And then wasting a lot of money on it anyways.
2012-08-28 09:20:23 AM
1 votes:

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Interesting, but LA already gets more federal tax back than it pays in. What's your point?
2012-08-28 09:18:15 AM
1 votes:

McPoonDanlcrat: Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country


Exactly. And Obama is wise to not let Jindal be in charge of anything...

www.eoearth.org
This can't be posted too many times when discussing Jindal's ignorance and/or incompetence.
2012-08-28 09:17:53 AM
1 votes:
did it just get KOS-y in here?
2012-08-28 09:16:16 AM
1 votes:

2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.


Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.
2012-08-28 09:14:54 AM
1 votes:
I don't know. We wouldn't want to offend the bootstrappy conservatives by implying they didn't build that themselves. Maybe we should just let them deal with it on their own.
2012-08-28 09:10:26 AM
1 votes:
Typical Republican -- complains about the federal government spending so much money, but when he needs it he accepts it and is not too shy to demand more.
2012-08-28 09:08:57 AM
1 votes:

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
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Obama campaigned on it and mentioned it in every one of the 2008 Presidential debates.
McCain rebutted that it was a bad idea, since Pakistan was an ally.

I know, remembering stuff are hard.
2012-08-28 09:07:47 AM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.


See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.
2012-08-28 09:04:20 AM
1 votes:
The US government has never handed a blank check to a state for disaster repayments, so what's with Jindal demanding one for LA? It sounds like he's been an incompetent governor if his state doesn't have an emergency fund to deal with what's expected to be a minimal hurricane. I thought all those conservative governors were all "no need for Federal help" in their states, no sir, don't need it, don't want it.

Until a disaster shows up, right Bobby? Or are you looking to pay off some political friends with that blank check?
2012-08-28 09:02:05 AM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: trotsky: The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.

Because it was right-wingers who flooded this thread and started the political talk.

Jackass.


No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.
2012-08-28 09:00:52 AM
1 votes:
I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.
2012-08-28 08:53:17 AM
1 votes:
The Free Market decided you didn't pray hard enough, so you're getting hit by a hurricane. Don't insult its Invisible Hand further by asking for government bailouts. Instead, have faith in its Divine Bootstraps.
2012-08-28 08:52:03 AM
1 votes:

the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.


You're right. both sides r teh bad. So, which Republican should we vote for? The GOP pick or those Republicans that lost in the primaries and now consider themselves "more of a Libertarian?"
2012-08-28 08:51:38 AM
1 votes:

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.


There's nothing like a good emergency to lead republicans to backpedal hard on what's supposed to be their core values.
2012-08-28 08:48:17 AM
1 votes:
I laugh at Jindal's humiliation. Like all Republicans, he deserves to be publicly mocked for his short-sightedness and total lack of ability to deal with the real world. Sorry, Bobby.

Here's how you make the world a better place: take all of the supa-fat idiots who voted for you, peel them out of their Hoverrounds, tie them together into a raft, and float to Galt's Gulch when the levee breaks?
2012-08-28 08:46:48 AM
1 votes:

RassilonsExWife: But.. but... government is the DEVIL!!! 

/Two-faced jackasselephant




FTFY.
2012-08-28 08:41:44 AM
1 votes:
Perfect set up. Now when a hurricane hits he will blame Obama for not helping.

F*ck him and his anti volcano monitoring.

*eyeballs Rainier
2012-08-28 08:41:36 AM
1 votes:

andhravodu:
Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


No Jindal is. Before it even hits he is more interested in trying to set up make the feds look bad than in the people's welfare.
2012-08-28 08:40:44 AM
1 votes:

Monongahela Misfit: Also, Bobby is staying home to watch over and protect his state, instead of grandstanding at the RNC.


Bobby is staying home because he wasn't invited. The storm just gives him a convenient cover story and allows him to be a martyr.
2012-08-28 08:40:20 AM
1 votes:
What's all the fuss about Isaac anyways? It's not even a hurricane yet and even if it reaches hurricane strength, it's only forecasted to go up to Cat 2 max. Not exactly Katrina level strength.
2012-08-28 08:39:47 AM
1 votes:

Harry Freakstorm: They got 14 billion to rebuild their levies. The Corp of Engineers says the walls will protect against the projected surge. If you get blasted again, it's just your God telling you to move somewhere else.


I used to work for the Corps of Engineers. I've seen the document signed by the then Governor (R), the senator and mayor of New Orleans (D) stating that they wouldn't increase the height of the levees as to not ruin the aesthetic value of New Orleans.

What they really didn't want to do is imminent domain the two blocks of houses it would have taken to increase the levee ALL along lake pontatrain! When you double the height of a levee you triple its width.
2012-08-28 08:37:11 AM
1 votes:
Give them the aid they need, then publicly call them on demanding Federal welfare.
2012-08-28 08:35:33 AM
1 votes:
www.propublica.org

All I need is a truck and some national guardsmen.
2012-08-28 08:30:12 AM
1 votes:
How many times have Republican governors and senators protested overreaching federal influence, only to accept federal aid, ask for more federal aid, then complain when the federal aid isn't up to their expectations?

/has to be a lot
//would be really nice (on both sides of the aisle) if principles didn't vanish when the wallet comes out
2012-08-28 08:29:59 AM
1 votes:

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


How about "we ALL built this" LOLZ socialism helps make capitalistic countries work. Or at least not fly off the rails.
2012-08-28 08:29:34 AM
1 votes:

pag1107: Close2TheEdge: LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm

Translation - "LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HYPOCRISY!"

It's not hypocrisy if they do it, it's sound governance.


I would agree. A Governor requesting federal help in the event of an emergency is sound governance. Complaining about federal spending later is just being a tool.
2012-08-28 08:28:47 AM
1 votes:
This shows that welfare just creates dependency; you give, they only ask for more. The evils of socialism can turn even the most bootstrappy of Republicans into a welfare queen.
2012-08-28 08:26:38 AM
1 votes:
why doesn't he just get more bootstrappy? if things go bad it's because god is trying to teach him something.
2012-08-28 08:23:24 AM
1 votes:

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.


And then when Obama questions the spending, Jindal will claim he's abandoning Louisiana to the elements.
2012-08-28 08:22:26 AM
1 votes:
I can see it now... Federal money helps rebuild the state. Jindal and the GOPers continue to attack Obama for the "you didn't build that," comment.
2012-08-28 08:20:08 AM
1 votes:
With all the votes the oil and gas industry has bought over the years, you would think maybe they might pick up the bill for once?
2012-08-28 08:18:42 AM
1 votes:
Yes, these "small government" conservatives are shameless hypocrites... Thanks for the heads up.

Maybe Jindal can get some SuperPAC money to help him out.
2012-08-28 08:18:33 AM
1 votes:
Had a moron complaining about property taxes on FB a couple of months ago. I looked him up and his only FB post were about electric cars and how he wanted one. One week after complaining about taxes he was bemoaning how the town should put in free electric car charging stations.

An awful lot of these no tax types don't want to pay but they still want to get.
2012-08-28 08:17:23 AM
1 votes:
Why doesn't Jindal reject this blood money? After all, it's coming from a Democrat.
2012-08-28 08:15:04 AM
1 votes:

LIGAFF: At least it's not a volcano, right?


I like the cut of your jib.
2012-08-28 08:14:42 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: We will need offsetting cuts in spending on defense and oil subsidies.


What if we ban abortion instead?
2012-08-28 02:36:31 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: [thinkprogress.org image 533x240]

once you get some of that Obama stimulus package you gotta come back for more.


Once you go black?
2012-08-28 02:01:52 AM
1 votes:
Seriously, Piyush? fark you.
 
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