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2012-08-28 09:25:05 AM
That boy ain't right wing.
 
2012-08-28 09:25:33 AM
Let's clear one thing up: barring a secret fark account or two, no one in here is actually in a position to withhold funding from Louisiana. So the sudden influx of neocons accusing liberals of playing politics with disaster relief is both misguided and hilarious.

Thanks to the liberal belief that the federal government is here to help in every way feasible, Louisiana will get all the federal aid that it needs. All commentary in this thread to the contrary is just us liberals having some fun at Jindal's expense because of the hypocritical nature of his policies versus this request.
 
2012-08-28 09:26:46 AM

stoli n coke: karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
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Obama campaigned on it and mentioned it in every one of the 2008 Presidential debates.
McCain rebutted that it was a bad idea, since Pakistan was an ally.

I know, remembering stuff are hard.


No, no, no. Don't make it easy like that. Provide a link, with quotes and sources, and see if the shill will deny that. It goes to credibility, you see. Here, check it out:

Here's a link

Then, you find a quote from the link that's hilarious in retrospect... "John Podhoretz wrote in the New York Post that Obama 'basically promised that, as president, he would invade Pakistan,' adding: 'This country is never going to insert military forces to conduct a major campaign against al Qaeda inside Pakistan without the permission of that country's government.'"

Make 'em deny that.
 
2012-08-28 09:27:20 AM

Felgraf: Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT"...


Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.
 
2012-08-28 09:27:41 AM
Aagh- where's preview when I need it?

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2012-08-28 09:28:12 AM

fireclown: did it just get KOS-y in here?


Yes. Yes it did.
 
2012-08-28 09:29:11 AM

Sgt Otter: SAND BERMS!


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2012-08-28 09:30:28 AM
Preparedness for local emergencies is the state's job. Especially if the emergency recurs frequently and you have warning that it is coming. It's your job Jindal, do it. The Federal government should not write you a blank check. If we had what you have been bleating about it would not be coming to help after the disaster either. Do your job.
 
2012-08-28 09:31:17 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.

Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.


If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.
 
2012-08-28 09:32:10 AM
"They'll be fine. We tithe!"

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2012-08-28 09:32:19 AM

Mrbogey: Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.


Does it really make you feel better to point out that Jindal is simply being an idiot instead of partisan on this matter?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:04 AM
White House to Gov. Jindal: fark you! Politic with your own goddamned money, asshole. If the storm hits, we'll help; we always have. How very typical of you Republican governors to deride the federal government as too big, too bloated, too wasteful, etc. until you need it to bail your sorry asses out of a jam, because of a lack of governance on your part.
 
2012-08-28 09:33:07 AM

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


You do realize the words "black" or "Democrat" don't appear in the quote you've cited at all, right?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:27 AM

Headso:
If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.


Is that why we give food aid to North Korea when we know that most of it goes straight to feed the army? In the hope that some will reach the actual starving people?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:30 AM
If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.
 
2012-08-28 09:33:40 AM

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


But on the other paw, he has in the past come out against all forms of federal spending, disaster assistance, hurricane studies and detection, volcano and earth quake studies and detection. And now he's asking for all this money, plus money they would have spent even if there wasn't a hurricane. This isn't the first time the state has had to deal with a hurricane, shouldn't have they prepared for this?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:57 AM

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


One day before landfall, Katrina was a category 5 hurricane. Issac is due to make landfall tomorrow but is currently just a tropical storm.

One of these is a common occurrence and one is a storm of a lifetime.
 
2012-08-28 09:34:44 AM

andhravodu: This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Neither is the whole recession, but judging from congress and the endless anti-abortion bills, apparently there is no depth that they won't sink to win one for the party.
 
2012-08-28 09:34:55 AM

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"
 
2012-08-28 09:36:33 AM
Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work
 
2012-08-28 09:36:58 AM

Paul Baumer: whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.


Sounds like he'd do a heckuva job for Romney in case Rafalca gets a cabinet level position.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:08 AM
President to speak on Isaac at 10AM EDT. Link
 
2012-08-28 09:38:10 AM

Muta: Louisiana is Americas Swap Castle. They said I was stupid for building a castle in a swap but I built it anyway. It sank into the swap. I built another one and it sank too.


Yeah, idiots building in the mouth of one of the world's largest river system that leads into the heart of one of the most abudant agricultural, industial and natural resource development area on the planet is just INSANE!.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:41 AM
Funny how the red state Goopers always have their hands out for gubmint-taxpayer money.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:57 AM
Right wingers: your stance is self reliance, build it yourself, and no government help.

How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?
 
2012-08-28 09:40:00 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Does it really make you feel better to point out that Jindal is simply being an idiot instead of partisan on this matter?


I think pointing out the stupidity of some farkers is an easy yet satisfying endeavor sometimes.

"Jindal is being partisan!!!"
"Really? You think he's doing this because Obama is a Democrat?"
"Who said anything about him being a Democrat? You idiot!!!"
"It's what partisan means. Doing things because of party affiliation"
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2012-08-28 09:40:01 AM

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


This is a very good example. Louisiana did fine during the actual hurricane. The problem were the levees which failed unexpectedly after the hurricane. In this case, the flooding was a unexpected event. sinc ethe levees weren't topped and were supposed to handle that volume of water.

Mississippi, on the other hand got prison raped by Katrina, the Hurricane.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:03 AM
Obviously, Obama doesn't care about racially ambiguous people.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:29 AM

immrlizard: Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work


Every state should get a voucher for based on the amount of tax as it paid in. Be careful what you wish for Republicans, I think that this would actually be a good idea to balance the budget. Bring it on.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:32 AM

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?


Since when have conservatives cared about the fact that they're enormous hypocrites?
 
2012-08-28 09:40:48 AM

Headso: More_Like_A_Stain: Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.

Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.

If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.


Sending aid in the form of personnel, equipment, and supplies effectively deals with the disaster while reducing the opportunity for corruption. A blank check just invites more corruption with no guarantee of actual disaster relief at all. Based on the results of the last time a hurricane hit NOLA, and the efforts of Jindal and crew during the BP oil spill, there is no reason to expect that simply guaranteeing reimbursement of 100% of the States expenditures will have a more positive effect than sending direct aid. Perhaps if LA, NOLA and Jindal himself had a better track record, this would be less of an issue.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:50 AM

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

 
2012-08-28 09:42:12 AM

KarmicDisaster: Preparedness for local emergencies is the state's job. Especially if the emergency recurs frequently and you have warning that it is coming. It's your job Jindal, do it. The Federal government should not write you a blank check. If we had what you have been bleating about it would not be coming to help after the disaster either. Do your job.


I actually don't mind a governor asking for emergency funds.

I do mind this governor, who argues the federal government should not spend money on volcano monitoring and satellites (some of which provide us with weather updates) and should instead concentrate on the economy, publically chastising the federal government when they don't give him more emergency funds.
 
2012-08-28 09:43:46 AM

Born_Again_Bavarian: RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?

This is a very good example. Louisiana did fine during the actual hurricane. The problem were the levees which failed unexpectedly after the hurricane. In this case, the flooding was a unexpected event. sinc ethe levees weren't topped and were supposed to handle that volume of water.

Mississippi, on the other hand got prison raped by Katrina, the Hurricane.


And to be fair to MS, there was little they could do about that. It basically scoured the coastal areas. Same thing happened a few weeks later with Rita on the other side of LA.
 
2012-08-28 09:44:53 AM

KarmicDisaster: Headso:
If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.

Is that why we give food aid to North Korea when we know that most of it goes straight to feed the army? In the hope that some will reach the actual starving people?


No, we give food aid to North Korea because China doesn't want millions of starving North Korean refugees pouring across their border. It's a simple way to endear ourselves to China that also happens to have humanitarian benefits.
 
2012-08-28 09:45:31 AM

Paul Baumer: If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.


You know, I get that giving wealthy donors the ambassadorship to Luxembourg or making them head of the President's Council on Jazzercise is a long-standing tradition on both sides...but the head of farking FEMA?
 
2012-08-28 09:46:06 AM

draa: johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

 
2012-08-28 09:47:54 AM

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?


Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...
 
2012-08-28 09:49:38 AM

Mrbogey: I think pointing out the stupidity of some farkers is an easy yet satisfying endeavor sometimes.


It's easy because you're picking low-hanging fruit in the form of technicalities. Patting yourself on the back for that is more than just a little pathetic.
 
2012-08-28 09:50:05 AM

JackieRabbit: johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that fark you, not enough money and too many restrictions
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...


ftfy
 
2012-08-28 09:50:25 AM

Mrbogey: Felgraf: Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT"...

Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.


I do think Jindal is making it a partisan issue. You apparently do not. That's and honest difference of opinion, hardly worthy of saying someone is psychotic and needs meds, but welcome to Fark, right?

So, my question is, has any Louisiana governor asked for federal reimbursement of all state funds spent on hurricane preparation before?
 
2012-08-28 09:51:11 AM
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2012-08-28 09:54:33 AM

the1hatman: but "your team" is no better


You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?
 
2012-08-28 09:56:26 AM

RyogaM: BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.

See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.


This. The US did not event emergency management processes. These exist everywhere in the world and pretty much follow the same hierarchical process. Local authorities do what needs to be done. If it exceeds their capabilities they go to regional authorities and they do what needs to be done and so on up to Federal or even International level if necessary.

You don't think about budgets in an emergency, you spend and sort it out later. If people's lives are at stake and you don't authorize an expenditure you are a complete idiot.
 
2012-08-28 09:56:30 AM

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


I think you are the one being obtuse. Maybe if republicans would quit yelling about socialism and how bad government is we wouldn't want to rub their noses in stuff like this. They want to pretend that taxes are unfairly redistributed instead of acknowledging that there is a need in a civilized society to share certain burdens.
 
2012-08-28 09:56:57 AM
gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.
 
2012-08-28 09:58:22 AM

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.

 
2012-08-28 09:59:27 AM

qorkfiend: No, we give food aid to North Korea because China doesn't want millions of starving North Korean refugees pouring across their border. It's a simple way to endear ourselves to China that also happens to have humanitarian benefits.


Not to mention, that be feeding the Best Koreans we have some leverage with them. It's all a poker game.
 
2012-08-28 09:59:30 AM

andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


I didn't give a "guy" on the other "side". Here's a raving hypocrite, like Ron Paul with his "earmarks are bad, except for when I need them" crap. You can't make a principled stand and then go against that principle. He should not have done the stunt about Medicaid, it's stupid. He only serves his people when it's politically convenient. Good for him for requesting aid. It doesn't mean I can't call him an insufferable hypocritical douchebag nontheless.
 
2012-08-28 09:59:59 AM
the best thing to do, IMHO, would be to evacuate ALL of NO, break all the levees and let the water find its level. Then rebuild on higher ground. Think of all the jobs that would create!
 
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