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2012-08-28 08:59:52 AM

Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?


No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.
 
2012-08-28 09:00:52 AM
I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.
 
2012-08-28 09:02:05 AM

Mrbogey: trotsky: The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.

Because it was right-wingers who flooded this thread and started the political talk.

Jackass.


No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.
 
2012-08-28 09:02:31 AM
erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.



Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-08-28 09:02:52 AM

gaspode: "We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Is this guy for farking real?


While a shockingly insane thing to say, at least he's doing the job he was elected to do. Like an asshole.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:06 AM

stoli n coke: Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.

You're right. both sides r teh bad. So, which Republican should we vote for? The GOP pick or those Republicans that lost in the primaries and now consider themselves "more of a Libertarian?"


I really don't care who you pick but your efforts to paint me as a partisan are a waste. The Republicans are every bit as corrupt as you likely believe but "your team" is no better. As for the 3rd parties, they are all simply offshoots of the 2 major corrupt groups so you'll not find any value there either.

But please feel free to label anyone with a different opinion than you as a member of the other side.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:20 AM
The US government has never handed a blank check to a state for disaster repayments, so what's with Jindal demanding one for LA? It sounds like he's been an incompetent governor if his state doesn't have an emergency fund to deal with what's expected to be a minimal hurricane. I thought all those conservative governors were all "no need for Federal help" in their states, no sir, don't need it, don't want it.

Until a disaster shows up, right Bobby? Or are you looking to pay off some political friends with that blank check?
 
2012-08-28 09:04:23 AM
Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:55 AM
Louisiana is Americas Swap Castle. They said I was stupid for building a castle in a swap but I built it anyway. It sank into the swap. I built another one and it sank too.
 
2012-08-28 09:05:27 AM
Shouldn't be a problem as long as the governor kneels and swears fealty, first. Obama probably wont make him genuflect or kiss his ring the first time.
 
2012-08-28 09:05:32 AM
1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21
 
2012-08-28 09:06:26 AM

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


I see your attempt at being witty but it failed since the government did build the infrastructure for the most part.

Building up a business is something they have nothing to do with and is the result of sweat and hard work.
 
2012-08-28 09:06:31 AM

Monongahela Misfit: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

This.
Also, Bobby is staying home to watch over and protect his state, instead of grandstanding at the RNC. I don't seem to recall clearly, what did the former Gov of LA do during Katrina? Wasn't that guy a Democrat party guy? Again, it's not about Party, it's about People.

Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?


Not necessarily. The request from Jindal was to pay for anything the state spent in 'preparation'. Plus, Federal teams could likely coordinate far more easily.
 
2012-08-28 09:06:47 AM
These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.
 
2012-08-28 09:07:08 AM

The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?


The GOP.
 
2012-08-28 09:07:24 AM
Ya, remember when the GOP wanted to withhold funds to rebuild Joplin when half the town was wiped of the map by a tornado? Because the were too busy holding the economy hostage and destroying our credit rating?

/ Good Times...
 
2012-08-28 09:07:47 AM

BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.


See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.
 
2012-08-28 09:08:37 AM
Can Democrats and the Left be any farking dumber?



I cannot stand your stupidity.
 
2012-08-28 09:08:38 AM

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


National Minimum Drinking Age Act

The interesting part...

Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on July 17, 1984
 
2012-08-28 09:08:57 AM

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]


Obama campaigned on it and mentioned it in every one of the 2008 Presidential debates.
McCain rebutted that it was a bad idea, since Pakistan was an ally.

I know, remembering stuff are hard.
 
2012-08-28 09:09:54 AM

Felgraf: Not necessarily. The request from Jindal was to pay for anything the state spent in 'preparation'. Plus, Federal teams could likely coordinate far more easily.


Knowing how other Republican governors handled federal monies, their budget deficit would be classified as part of the preparation.
 
2012-08-28 09:10:26 AM
Typical Republican -- complains about the federal government spending so much money, but when he needs it he accepts it and is not too shy to demand more.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:19 AM

Charles Martel: Or we could just put this guy in charge of New Orleans -- again.


Or not.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:19 AM

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


Jeez, we'll give you the money. We just want to make fun you a little bit (okay, a lot). Fair trade, I think.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:54 AM
Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country
 
2012-08-28 09:14:54 AM
I don't know. We wouldn't want to offend the bootstrappy conservatives by implying they didn't build that themselves. Maybe we should just let them deal with it on their own.
 
2012-08-28 09:14:56 AM

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]


Please, tell me how you're rubber and I'm glue.

Face it. Obama gave the order. When that happened, you turned pro-bin Laden. Why do you want the terrorists to win, sympathizer?
 
2012-08-28 09:16:16 AM

2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.


Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.
 
2012-08-28 09:16:48 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I don't know. We wouldn't want to offend the bootstrappy conservatives by implying they didn't build that themselves. Maybe we should just let them deal with it on their own.


Indeed. Obama doesn't need the heavily Republican city of New Orleans' vote. Leave them to their own devices.
 
2012-08-28 09:16:54 AM
Socialism
 
2012-08-28 09:17:19 AM

RexTalionis: Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?

No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.


The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.


Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event. It wouldn't be difficult at all for the government of Louisiana to tax its residents at a rate that would allow them to accumulate a rainy day fund to cover these expenses. Instead, they will just pass the cost on to the rest of the country while keeping their tax rate low. This is Republicanism 101.
 
2012-08-28 09:17:53 AM
did it just get KOS-y in here?
 
2012-08-28 09:17:53 AM
"Thank you for the needful moneys, but, we want all the needful moneys. Please be expeditious with the opening of the bank accounts for more, as we want more than what's due us."
 
2012-08-28 09:18:15 AM

McPoonDanlcrat: Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country


Exactly. And Obama is wise to not let Jindal be in charge of anything...

www.eoearth.org
This can't be posted too many times when discussing Jindal's ignorance and/or incompetence.
 
2012-08-28 09:18:25 AM

Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.


Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.
 
2012-08-28 09:19:09 AM

Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.


They've had years to bootstrap themselves out of being a welfare state. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?
 
2012-08-28 09:19:34 AM

RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.


That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.
 
2012-08-28 09:20:15 AM

the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.


Yep, should have known better than that..

Checks profile...
Wait, Raiders and Buckeyes fan? EFFFFF UUURRRRRRRRRR SIDE
 
2012-08-28 09:20:23 AM

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Interesting, but LA already gets more federal tax back than it pays in. What's your point?
 
2012-08-28 09:20:54 AM
You know what, fark Louisiana. Fark em right in their gawddamn ear. They elected a teabagger for governor, that those dumbasses suffer the consequences. They wanted it, let them have it.

See also: Wisconsin (twice), Ohio, Texas, Mississippi...
 
2012-08-28 09:21:05 AM

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Louisiana is one of the ten poorest states in the country. According to the infamous "red states are welfare states" table from 2005, Louisiana also gets about $1.78 back in aid for every $1.00 it sends to the federal government.

Your argument is demonstrably wrong.
 
2012-08-28 09:21:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.


You mean the 8 republicans that live in N.O.?
 
2012-08-28 09:21:55 AM

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT" or "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BLACK." Furthermore, some people have pointed out in this thread why Jindal should perhaps not be trusted to have a blank check on emergency spending, what with creating sand berms to try and stop the oil that most scientists said "This would be a waste of time and money".

And then wasting a lot of money on it anyways.
 
2012-08-28 09:22:43 AM
Sure thing, Piyush, just tread water 'till we get there.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:41 AM

imontheinternet: The Free Market decided you didn't pray hard enough, so you're getting hit by a hurricane. Don't insult its Invisible Hand further by asking for government bailouts. Instead, have faith in its Divine Bootstraps.


*chortle*
 
2012-08-28 09:23:43 AM
The GOP point of view on government is remarkably similar to their views on abortion.

It should never have to exist, it's bad, etc etc. But dear oh dear, lil Suzie got into a 'situation' and they had to deal with it. Which makes it okay 'for them' and them alone.

Y'see, for Bobby, it's clearly a very important matter that should be given the utmost in support, material, and money to take care of it all. But if, say, Jerry over in California needs some help after wildfires, mudslides, and earthquakes.... sorry Jerry. Should've thought of that, because those things aren't the same.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:55 AM

Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.


Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?
 
2012-08-28 09:24:10 AM

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Except Jindal's criticism is in no way legitimate. Mr. Federal Government Shouldn't Pay for Volcano Monitoring is crying that the federal government won't write him a blank check to cover costs associated with expected expenses.

Then you have apologists like yourself who whine about the people pointing and laughing at the blatant hypocrisy. Go piss up a rope.
 
2012-08-28 09:24:25 AM

Aarontology: 2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.

Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.


I read the transcript. Is this what you are referring to?

"We oppose the national Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government."

If so, I'd say that's disingenuous at best.
 
2012-08-28 09:25:01 AM

andhravodu: the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.

Yep, should have known better than that..

Checks profile...
Wait, Raiders and Buckeyes fan? EFFFFF UUURRRRRRRRRR SIDE


Yea I do kinda cheer for fark's "axis of evil" don't I? lol
 
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