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(CBS News)   Gov Bobby Jindal (R -La) experiences his "Come to Obama" moment   (cbsnews.com) divider line 335
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2012-08-28 01:57:09 AM  
So now he DOES want the federal government to pay for everything.

I guess we aren't supposed to notice (again)?
 
2012-08-28 02:01:52 AM  
Seriously, Piyush? fark you.
 
2012-08-28 02:05:03 AM  
thinkprogress.org

once you get some of that Obama stimulus package you gotta come back for more.
 
2012-08-28 02:16:59 AM  
Sorry Bobby, it all went to billionaires' tax refunds.
 
2012-08-28 02:34:25 AM  
Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."
 
2012-08-28 02:36:31 AM  

Hobodeluxe: [thinkprogress.org image 533x240]

once you get some of that Obama stimulus package you gotta come back for more.


Once you go black?
 
2012-08-28 02:42:11 AM  
At least it's not a volcano, right?
 
2012-08-28 02:45:10 AM  

LIGAFF: At least it's not a volcano, right?


Damn, I forgot about that particular Epic Fail. If Jindal starts scoffing at the CDC, we are well and truly farked.
 
2012-08-28 03:17:52 AM  
Like he didn't think another hurricane might hit.

Shoud've started a Hurricane Savings Account (HSA).
 
2012-08-28 07:33:44 AM  

teto85: Sorry Bobby, it all went to billionaires' tax refunds.


Let's be fair. Some of it went to jet engines the Air Force doesn't even want.
 
2012-08-28 08:12:32 AM  
We will need offsetting cuts in spending on defense and oil subsidies.
 
2012-08-28 08:13:28 AM  
"We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Is this guy for farking real?
 
2012-08-28 08:13:29 AM  
It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.
 
2012-08-28 08:14:42 AM  

Kibbler: We will need offsetting cuts in spending on defense and oil subsidies.


What if we ban abortion instead?
 
2012-08-28 08:15:04 AM  

LIGAFF: At least it's not a volcano, right?


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-08-28 08:16:06 AM  
Maybe the state of Louisiana could sue the RNC for praying the storm away from their convention and towards New Orleans.
Yes, yes, you can't sue someone for acts of God, but I don't see why you can't sue them for their actions which lead to God changing his mind and shifting his point of aim.
 
2012-08-28 08:16:45 AM  
But.. but... government is the DEVIL!!! 

/Two-faced jackass
 
2012-08-28 08:17:12 AM  
yawn..
 
2012-08-28 08:17:18 AM  
Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm
 
2012-08-28 08:17:23 AM  
Why doesn't Jindal reject this blood money? After all, it's coming from a Democrat.
 
2012-08-28 08:17:49 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.


Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment
 
2012-08-28 08:18:25 AM  
i.imgur.com
"Come to Butthead..."
 
2012-08-28 08:18:25 AM  

gaspode: "We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Is this guy for farking real?


The Feds should do it, then tell Jindal that the extra cash came from cashing in their "Volcano Insurance". :P
 
2012-08-28 08:18:33 AM  
Had a moron complaining about property taxes on FB a couple of months ago. I looked him up and his only FB post were about electric cars and how he wanted one. One week after complaining about taxes he was bemoaning how the town should put in free electric car charging stations.

An awful lot of these no tax types don't want to pay but they still want to get.
 
2012-08-28 08:18:42 AM  
Yes, these "small government" conservatives are shameless hypocrites... Thanks for the heads up.

Maybe Jindal can get some SuperPAC money to help him out.
 
2012-08-28 08:18:49 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Kibbler: We will need offsetting cuts in spending on defense and oil subsidies.

What if we ban abortion instead?


Makes sense.
 
2012-08-28 08:20:08 AM  
With all the votes the oil and gas industry has bought over the years, you would think maybe they might pick up the bill for once?
 
2012-08-28 08:20:10 AM  

b0rg9: [i.imgur.com image 265x240]
"Come to Butthead..."


Came for this

Leaving satisfied
 
2012-08-28 08:20:19 AM  

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


www.bartcop.com

Jindal should ask the RNC for help.
 
2012-08-28 08:21:06 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


Translation - "LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HYPOCRISY!"
 
2012-08-28 08:21:22 AM  
I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.
 
2012-08-28 08:22:12 AM  
He doesn't have a hurricane voucher? He could shop around for the cheapest hurricane disaster aid assistance. He's got 24 hours to do it.
Bobby feels very entitled and loves that government hammock.
 
2012-08-28 08:22:19 AM  
OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!
 
2012-08-28 08:22:26 AM  
I can see it now... Federal money helps rebuild the state. Jindal and the GOPers continue to attack Obama for the "you didn't build that," comment.
 
2012-08-28 08:22:56 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


You should tell Jindal that.
 
2012-08-28 08:23:01 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Nope but you sure are making it seem that way.

Fark conservatives are awesome at this

Step 1: Politicize a potential emergency.
Step 2:???
Step 3: Profit!
 
2012-08-28 08:23:24 AM  

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.


And then when Obama questions the spending, Jindal will claim he's abandoning Louisiana to the elements.
 
2012-08-28 08:24:27 AM  
Obama's America. Release the longform instructions on how to work the Weather Dominator, Obama.
 
2012-08-28 08:24:29 AM  

Close2TheEdge: LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm

Translation - "LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HYPOCRISY!"


It's not hypocrisy if they do it, it's sound governance.
 
2012-08-28 08:25:00 AM  
If the federal government bail them out, what will they learn for the next hurricane? Bend over and grab those boot straps Bobby.
 
2012-08-28 08:25:45 AM  
Still not as bad as Perry grandstanding about secession, and then putting a hand out when Texas had all those wildfires last year.

A lot of these Republican governors remind me of spoiled teenagers. You know the kind. The ones who tell their parents to go fark themselves, then ask for their allowance an hour later.
 
2012-08-28 08:26:06 AM  
yes i am indian and my name is Bobby
 
2012-08-28 08:26:18 AM  
NOLA hurricane preparation.
rumdood.com
 
2012-08-28 08:26:38 AM  
why doesn't he just get more bootstrappy? if things go bad it's because god is trying to teach him something.
 
2012-08-28 08:28:08 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.
 
2012-08-28 08:28:16 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.
 
2012-08-28 08:28:42 AM  

r1niceboy: And then when Obama questions the spending, Jindal will claim he's abandoning Louisiana to the elements.


It's not fair to hold conservatives to their beliefs when it comes time for them to actually hold fast to their beliefs.

Conservatives are like petulant teenagers. They think they're an island of solutions and can do everything for themselves, know better than everyone else, etc, but the instant you actually leave them to their own devices when things get a little rough they have a hissy fit, start crying for mommy and scream that it's unfair that you're doing exactly what they asked you to.

I'm all for helping them with their little hurricane problem because, as a liberal, I understand how reality works, but I'm still going to mock the shiat out these knobs every time they come pestering for a handout as long as they keep up this stupid "GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT, SHRINK IT, NO VOLCANO MONITORING!" garbage. 

Just don't waste my money buying bootstraps, okay guys?
 
2012-08-28 08:28:47 AM  
This shows that welfare just creates dependency; you give, they only ask for more. The evils of socialism can turn even the most bootstrappy of Republicans into a welfare queen.
 
2012-08-28 08:29:15 AM  

jat26006: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Nope but you sure are making it seem that way.
bunch of derp....
more derp....
blah blah


Is this one of those No you moments?
 
2012-08-28 08:29:34 AM  

pag1107: Close2TheEdge: LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm

Translation - "LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HYPOCRISY!"

It's not hypocrisy if they do it, it's sound governance.


I would agree. A Governor requesting federal help in the event of an emergency is sound governance. Complaining about federal spending later is just being a tool.
 
2012-08-28 08:29:59 AM  

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


How about "we ALL built this" LOLZ socialism helps make capitalistic countries work. Or at least not fly off the rails.
 
2012-08-28 08:30:12 AM  
If Jindal was a real Republican, he'd be mobilizing the state police to actively fight the boots that heathen Democrat wants to put on the ground. He'd have them shoot first and ask questions later.
 
2012-08-28 08:30:12 AM  
How many times have Republican governors and senators protested overreaching federal influence, only to accept federal aid, ask for more federal aid, then complain when the federal aid isn't up to their expectations?

/has to be a lot
//would be really nice (on both sides of the aisle) if principles didn't vanish when the wallet comes out
 
2012-08-28 08:30:43 AM  
Give them the money. Just require Jindal to do a photo-op shaking hands with Obama.
 
2012-08-28 08:30:55 AM  

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for?


wonkroom.thinkprogress.org

SAND BERMS!
 
2012-08-28 08:30:57 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.


Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?
 
2012-08-28 08:31:10 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.
 
2012-08-28 08:31:32 AM  

Scorpius.Raven: How many times have Republican governors and senators protested overreaching federal influence, only to accept federal aid, ask for more federal aid, then complain when the federal aid isn't up to their expectations?


This.
 
2012-08-28 08:31:54 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


This.
Also, Bobby is staying home to watch over and protect his state, instead of grandstanding at the RNC. I don't seem to recall clearly, what did the former Gov of LA do during Katrina? Wasn't that guy a Democrat party guy? Again, it's not about Party, it's about People.

Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?
 
2012-08-28 08:33:40 AM  
willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com

Or we could just put this guy in charge of New Orleans -- again.
 
2012-08-28 08:34:14 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.HOW DARE IT BE SUGGESTED THAT A CONSERVATIVE HOLD TO HIS OWN BELIEFS! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


Go be butthurt somewhere else crybaby. Louisiana will get what it needs (unlike the last time we had this problem) and asschunks like Jindal and his supporters will get the taunting and mockery they deserve.

Then the asschunks will go right back to bleating about how the government can't do anything right while cashing their government checks.
 
2012-08-28 08:34:34 AM  

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


Obama offered complete assistance, but Jindal says he doesn't want that. Jindal wants a blank check.
 
2012-08-28 08:35:25 AM  
They got 14 billion to rebuild their levies. The Corp of Engineers says the walls will protect against the projected surge. If you get blasted again, it's just your God telling you to move somewhere else.

My God is pretty mellow. Sits on his mighty throne that is a lot more comfortable that it looks, sees your God calling on his cell phone and put the phone down, goes back to watching premium cable on his J. Chick Jumbotron. "Thank me for Caller ID" He says. "It's that attention whore god again."
 
2012-08-28 08:35:33 AM  
www.propublica.org

All I need is a truck and some national guardsmen.
 
2012-08-28 08:37:11 AM  
Give them the aid they need, then publicly call them on demanding Federal welfare.
 
2012-08-28 08:38:08 AM  
Why doesn't Obama just send in the army to make sure we don't have another bad thing happen?
 
2012-08-28 08:39:00 AM  
Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.
 
2012-08-28 08:39:05 AM  

cabbyman: Why doesn't Obama just send in the army to make sure we don't have another bad thing happen?


Because if Jindal had any guts, he'd mobilize the state police to prevent that.
 
2012-08-28 08:39:47 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: They got 14 billion to rebuild their levies. The Corp of Engineers says the walls will protect against the projected surge. If you get blasted again, it's just your God telling you to move somewhere else.


I used to work for the Corps of Engineers. I've seen the document signed by the then Governor (R), the senator and mayor of New Orleans (D) stating that they wouldn't increase the height of the levees as to not ruin the aesthetic value of New Orleans.

What they really didn't want to do is imminent domain the two blocks of houses it would have taken to increase the levee ALL along lake pontatrain! When you double the height of a levee you triple its width.
 
2012-08-28 08:40:20 AM  
What's all the fuss about Isaac anyways? It's not even a hurricane yet and even if it reaches hurricane strength, it's only forecasted to go up to Cat 2 max. Not exactly Katrina level strength.
 
2012-08-28 08:40:35 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: They got 14 billion to rebuild their levies. The Corp of Engineers says the walls will protect against the projected surge. If you get blasted again, it's just your God telling you to move somewhere else.

My God is pretty mellow. Sits on his mighty throne that is a lot more comfortable that it looks, sees your God calling on his cell phone and put the phone down, goes back to watching premium cable on his J. Chick Jumbotron. "Thank me for Caller ID" He says. "It's that attention whore god again."


forum.i3d.net
 
2012-08-28 08:40:44 AM  

Monongahela Misfit: Also, Bobby is staying home to watch over and protect his state, instead of grandstanding at the RNC.


Bobby is staying home because he wasn't invited. The storm just gives him a convenient cover story and allows him to be a martyr.
 
2012-08-28 08:41:36 AM  

andhravodu:
Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


No Jindal is. Before it even hits he is more interested in trying to set up make the feds look bad than in the people's welfare.
 
2012-08-28 08:41:44 AM  
Perfect set up. Now when a hurricane hits he will blame Obama for not helping.

F*ck him and his anti volcano monitoring.

*eyeballs Rainier
 
2012-08-28 08:41:52 AM  
www.global-air.com

During his 2009 GOP Response to Obama's ''State of the Nation'' speech, Bobby Jindal said during Katrina, he helped a sheriff battle government red tape to rescue stranded victims. The sheriff was there, but Bobby wasn't. (new window)
 
2012-08-28 08:42:43 AM  

tfresh


OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


You're going to have to be more specific.
 
2012-08-28 08:44:25 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.HOW DARE IT BE SUGGESTED THAT A CONSERVATIVE HOLD TO HIS OWN BELIEFS! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

Go be butthurt somewhere else crybaby. Louisiana will get what it needs (unlike the last time we had this problem) and asschunks like Jindal and his supporters will get the taunting and mockery they deserve.

Then the asschunks will go right back to bleating about how the government can't do anything right while cashing their government checks.


The best part is how conservatives accuse liberals of living in a fantasy world of rainbows and unicorns. Yet time and time again when disaster strikes, the first place these anti-government dickholes run to is the government.

And the best part? The government will help out here and not demand a dime in return from Louisiana, unlike say if it were a private enterprise. Whose philosophy is pure fantasy again?
 
2012-08-28 08:45:36 AM  

Charles Martel: [willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com image 211x300]

Or we could just put this guy in charge of New Orleans -- again.


What's this "we" shiat Scotsman?
 
2012-08-28 08:45:45 AM  

andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.
 
2012-08-28 08:45:54 AM  
ole' Jindal loves Obama and the Federal Government now -- now that there is some dollars coming down the pipeline. lol

last week Obama and the Federal Govenment were destroying America. lol

Let the market work on Lousyiana. the Government is interfering again.

methinks me smells a Republican in my midst.......
 
2012-08-28 08:46:48 AM  

RassilonsExWife: But.. but... government is the DEVIL!!! 

/Two-faced jackasselephant




FTFY.
 
2012-08-28 08:46:59 AM  

mediablitz: So now he DOES want the federal government to pay for everything.

I guess we aren't supposed to notice (again)?



only when it benefits HIM. typical republican.
 
2012-08-28 08:47:51 AM  

teto85: Sorry Bobby, it all went to billionaires' tax refunds.



snicker.
 
2012-08-28 08:48:17 AM  
I laugh at Jindal's humiliation. Like all Republicans, he deserves to be publicly mocked for his short-sightedness and total lack of ability to deal with the real world. Sorry, Bobby.

Here's how you make the world a better place: take all of the supa-fat idiots who voted for you, peel them out of their Hoverrounds, tie them together into a raft, and float to Galt's Gulch when the levee breaks?
 
2012-08-28 08:48:34 AM  
Wow ... that's pretty socialist of him. I thought socialism was the death of America and something that republicans were 100% against. Until their state needs some money I guess.
 
2012-08-28 08:49:11 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.


BINGO! step forward and claim your prize.
 
2012-08-28 08:49:16 AM  

trotsky: The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.


Because it was right-wingers who flooded this thread and started the political talk.

Jackass.
 
2012-08-28 08:51:38 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.


There's nothing like a good emergency to lead republicans to backpedal hard on what's supposed to be their core values.
 
2012-08-28 08:51:44 AM  
Isaac is much better organized and is definitely going to strike louisiana with a decent strike of new orleans.
 
2012-08-28 08:51:51 AM  

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.


Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.
 
2012-08-28 08:52:03 AM  

the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.


You're right. both sides r teh bad. So, which Republican should we vote for? The GOP pick or those Republicans that lost in the primaries and now consider themselves "more of a Libertarian?"
 
2012-08-28 08:53:17 AM  
The Free Market decided you didn't pray hard enough, so you're getting hit by a hurricane. Don't insult its Invisible Hand further by asking for government bailouts. Instead, have faith in its Divine Bootstraps.
 
2012-08-28 08:53:42 AM  

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!



and it came in for the incoming "Wall Street Greed Storm of 2008" too. but when it comes it to help people, or reroof public schools, or healthcare, etc, then its "Socialism".

welcome to Republicanville.
 
2012-08-28 08:56:02 AM  

Farking Canuck: Wow ... that's pretty socialist of him. I thought socialism was the death of America and something that republicans were 100% against. Until their state needs some money I guess.



BINGO! you too have won a prize.
 
2012-08-28 08:56:32 AM  
"However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."


No, that's a republican statement. He's worried about the money NOW. The people aren't nearly important as they money.
Rmoney....my mind on money and money on my mind
 
2012-08-28 08:57:09 AM  
Bootstrap it Jindal. Show us how it is done. The Federal Gov is not under any obligation to repay states for emergency preparedness measures, that's your job, do it. Pass a law allowing more Federal control if you don't like that, you socialist. GO AHEAD DO IT.
 
2012-08-28 08:57:42 AM  

Linux_Yes: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

BINGO! step forward and claim your prize.


That's why he's a hypocrite RINO.

The federal assistance money might help some poor people.
 
2012-08-28 08:58:11 AM  
HEY, BOBBY: BE MORE BOOTSTRAPPY
 
2012-08-28 08:59:09 AM  

planes: During his 2009 GOP Response to Obama's ''State of the Nation'' speech, Bobby Jindal said during Katrina, he helped a sheriff battle government red tape to rescue stranded victims. The sheriff was there, but Bobby wasn't. (new window)


We've gone over this. He was recounting an exchange with Harry Lee he had. Harry Lee was never one to not rant and argue well after an issue had been settled. The whole faux controversy is a good example of how something can be nebulous enough that it can be spun into a lie.
 
2012-08-28 08:59:26 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Except that the Governor of that state you mentioned *is* making it a "my party vs. other party" moment.

It would behoove you to not be so obtuse to this.
 
2012-08-28 08:59:52 AM  

Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?


No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.
 
2012-08-28 09:00:52 AM  
I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.
 
2012-08-28 09:02:05 AM  

Mrbogey: trotsky: The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.

Because it was right-wingers who flooded this thread and started the political talk.

Jackass.


No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.
 
2012-08-28 09:02:31 AM  
erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.



Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
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2012-08-28 09:02:52 AM  

gaspode: "We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Is this guy for farking real?


While a shockingly insane thing to say, at least he's doing the job he was elected to do. Like an asshole.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:06 AM  

stoli n coke: Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.

You're right. both sides r teh bad. So, which Republican should we vote for? The GOP pick or those Republicans that lost in the primaries and now consider themselves "more of a Libertarian?"


I really don't care who you pick but your efforts to paint me as a partisan are a waste. The Republicans are every bit as corrupt as you likely believe but "your team" is no better. As for the 3rd parties, they are all simply offshoots of the 2 major corrupt groups so you'll not find any value there either.

But please feel free to label anyone with a different opinion than you as a member of the other side.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:20 AM  
The US government has never handed a blank check to a state for disaster repayments, so what's with Jindal demanding one for LA? It sounds like he's been an incompetent governor if his state doesn't have an emergency fund to deal with what's expected to be a minimal hurricane. I thought all those conservative governors were all "no need for Federal help" in their states, no sir, don't need it, don't want it.

Until a disaster shows up, right Bobby? Or are you looking to pay off some political friends with that blank check?
 
2012-08-28 09:04:23 AM  
Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.
 
2012-08-28 09:04:55 AM  
Louisiana is Americas Swap Castle. They said I was stupid for building a castle in a swap but I built it anyway. It sank into the swap. I built another one and it sank too.
 
2012-08-28 09:05:27 AM  
Shouldn't be a problem as long as the governor kneels and swears fealty, first. Obama probably wont make him genuflect or kiss his ring the first time.
 
2012-08-28 09:05:32 AM  
1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21
 
2012-08-28 09:06:26 AM  

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


I see your attempt at being witty but it failed since the government did build the infrastructure for the most part.

Building up a business is something they have nothing to do with and is the result of sweat and hard work.
 
2012-08-28 09:06:31 AM  

Monongahela Misfit: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

This.
Also, Bobby is staying home to watch over and protect his state, instead of grandstanding at the RNC. I don't seem to recall clearly, what did the former Gov of LA do during Katrina? Wasn't that guy a Democrat party guy? Again, it's not about Party, it's about People.

Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?


Not necessarily. The request from Jindal was to pay for anything the state spent in 'preparation'. Plus, Federal teams could likely coordinate far more easily.
 
2012-08-28 09:06:47 AM  
These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.
 
2012-08-28 09:07:08 AM  

The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?


The GOP.
 
2012-08-28 09:07:24 AM  
Ya, remember when the GOP wanted to withhold funds to rebuild Joplin when half the town was wiped of the map by a tornado? Because the were too busy holding the economy hostage and destroying our credit rating?

/ Good Times...
 
2012-08-28 09:07:47 AM  

BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.


See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.
 
2012-08-28 09:08:37 AM  
Can Democrats and the Left be any farking dumber?



I cannot stand your stupidity.
 
2012-08-28 09:08:38 AM  

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


National Minimum Drinking Age Act

The interesting part...

Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on July 17, 1984
 
2012-08-28 09:08:57 AM  

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
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Obama campaigned on it and mentioned it in every one of the 2008 Presidential debates.
McCain rebutted that it was a bad idea, since Pakistan was an ally.

I know, remembering stuff are hard.
 
2012-08-28 09:09:54 AM  

Felgraf: Not necessarily. The request from Jindal was to pay for anything the state spent in 'preparation'. Plus, Federal teams could likely coordinate far more easily.


Knowing how other Republican governors handled federal monies, their budget deficit would be classified as part of the preparation.
 
2012-08-28 09:10:26 AM  
Typical Republican -- complains about the federal government spending so much money, but when he needs it he accepts it and is not too shy to demand more.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:19 AM  

Charles Martel: Or we could just put this guy in charge of New Orleans -- again.


Or not.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:19 AM  

LivingDeadX1: Good to see the Fark Libs taking the high road in the face of a impending emergency.

/Using "emergency" lightly
//Got gonna be a big storm


Jeez, we'll give you the money. We just want to make fun you a little bit (okay, a lot). Fair trade, I think.
 
2012-08-28 09:11:54 AM  
Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country
 
2012-08-28 09:14:54 AM  
I don't know. We wouldn't want to offend the bootstrappy conservatives by implying they didn't build that themselves. Maybe we should just let them deal with it on their own.
 
2012-08-28 09:14:56 AM  

karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]


Please, tell me how you're rubber and I'm glue.

Face it. Obama gave the order. When that happened, you turned pro-bin Laden. Why do you want the terrorists to win, sympathizer?
 
2012-08-28 09:16:16 AM  

2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.


Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.
 
2012-08-28 09:16:48 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I don't know. We wouldn't want to offend the bootstrappy conservatives by implying they didn't build that themselves. Maybe we should just let them deal with it on their own.


Indeed. Obama doesn't need the heavily Republican city of New Orleans' vote. Leave them to their own devices.
 
2012-08-28 09:16:54 AM  
Socialism
 
2012-08-28 09:17:19 AM  

RexTalionis: Monongahela Misfit: Oh, and instead of spending how Much Fed money on Moving Fed people into the state, wouldn't just underwriting the cost of Local response teams be less expensive, and more effective?

No. For two reasons:
1) Police, firefighter and local response team overtime is expensive. A police officer can double or triple his base compensation through overtime. Having to pay overtime for a state's entire contingent of police, firefighters and national guard would not be cheap.

2) Expertise. Sometimes, only the federal government has the right expertise for a job. For example, the Army Corp of Engineers may take relatively little expense and effort to rebuild a destroyed structure that may take much more manpower and manhours to build by local authorities who might not have experience or expertise in doing so.


The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.


Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event. It wouldn't be difficult at all for the government of Louisiana to tax its residents at a rate that would allow them to accumulate a rainy day fund to cover these expenses. Instead, they will just pass the cost on to the rest of the country while keeping their tax rate low. This is Republicanism 101.
 
2012-08-28 09:17:53 AM  
did it just get KOS-y in here?
 
2012-08-28 09:17:53 AM  
"Thank you for the needful moneys, but, we want all the needful moneys. Please be expeditious with the opening of the bank accounts for more, as we want more than what's due us."
 
2012-08-28 09:18:15 AM  

McPoonDanlcrat: Jindal is making this an us vs. them. Not anyone on Fark. He is setting up a future talking point that will go like this

"We lost X number of good people and Y number of homes in New Orleans. It is truly a tragedy. And it could have been avoided if OBAMALAMADINGDONG had just allowed the good people of the great state of Louisiana to manage the disaster instead of getting BIG GUBMENT involved."

So to those who are fooling themselves into believing this is non-partisan, mark my words.

/Party before Country


Exactly. And Obama is wise to not let Jindal be in charge of anything...

www.eoearth.org
This can't be posted too many times when discussing Jindal's ignorance and/or incompetence.
 
2012-08-28 09:18:25 AM  

Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.


Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.
 
2012-08-28 09:19:09 AM  

Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.


They've had years to bootstrap themselves out of being a welfare state. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?
 
2012-08-28 09:19:34 AM  

RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.


That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.
 
2012-08-28 09:20:15 AM  

the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.


Yep, should have known better than that..

Checks profile...
Wait, Raiders and Buckeyes fan? EFFFFF UUURRRRRRRRRR SIDE
 
2012-08-28 09:20:23 AM  

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Interesting, but LA already gets more federal tax back than it pays in. What's your point?
 
2012-08-28 09:20:54 AM  
You know what, fark Louisiana. Fark em right in their gawddamn ear. They elected a teabagger for governor, that those dumbasses suffer the consequences. They wanted it, let them have it.

See also: Wisconsin (twice), Ohio, Texas, Mississippi...
 
2012-08-28 09:21:05 AM  

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Louisiana is one of the ten poorest states in the country. According to the infamous "red states are welfare states" table from 2005, Louisiana also gets about $1.78 back in aid for every $1.00 it sends to the federal government.

Your argument is demonstrably wrong.
 
2012-08-28 09:21:33 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.


You mean the 8 republicans that live in N.O.?
 
2012-08-28 09:21:55 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT" or "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BLACK." Furthermore, some people have pointed out in this thread why Jindal should perhaps not be trusted to have a blank check on emergency spending, what with creating sand berms to try and stop the oil that most scientists said "This would be a waste of time and money".

And then wasting a lot of money on it anyways.
 
2012-08-28 09:22:43 AM  
Sure thing, Piyush, just tread water 'till we get there.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:41 AM  

imontheinternet: The Free Market decided you didn't pray hard enough, so you're getting hit by a hurricane. Don't insult its Invisible Hand further by asking for government bailouts. Instead, have faith in its Divine Bootstraps.


*chortle*
 
2012-08-28 09:23:43 AM  
The GOP point of view on government is remarkably similar to their views on abortion.

It should never have to exist, it's bad, etc etc. But dear oh dear, lil Suzie got into a 'situation' and they had to deal with it. Which makes it okay 'for them' and them alone.

Y'see, for Bobby, it's clearly a very important matter that should be given the utmost in support, material, and money to take care of it all. But if, say, Jerry over in California needs some help after wildfires, mudslides, and earthquakes.... sorry Jerry. Should've thought of that, because those things aren't the same.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:55 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.


Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?
 
2012-08-28 09:24:10 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


Except Jindal's criticism is in no way legitimate. Mr. Federal Government Shouldn't Pay for Volcano Monitoring is crying that the federal government won't write him a blank check to cover costs associated with expected expenses.

Then you have apologists like yourself who whine about the people pointing and laughing at the blatant hypocrisy. Go piss up a rope.
 
2012-08-28 09:24:25 AM  

Aarontology: 2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.

Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.


I read the transcript. Is this what you are referring to?

"We oppose the national Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government."

If so, I'd say that's disingenuous at best.
 
2012-08-28 09:25:01 AM  

andhravodu: the1hatman: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

So some governor requests federal aid ahead of a potential disaster and the politards want to make it an us vs. them issue and you're stunned by this? [welcometofark.jpg]

The best part of threads like this is watching both sides act like they don't do the exact same shiat.

Yep, should have known better than that..

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Wait, Raiders and Buckeyes fan? EFFFFF UUURRRRRRRRRR SIDE


Yea I do kinda cheer for fark's "axis of evil" don't I? lol
 
2012-08-28 09:25:05 AM  
That boy ain't right wing.
 
2012-08-28 09:25:33 AM  
Let's clear one thing up: barring a secret fark account or two, no one in here is actually in a position to withhold funding from Louisiana. So the sudden influx of neocons accusing liberals of playing politics with disaster relief is both misguided and hilarious.

Thanks to the liberal belief that the federal government is here to help in every way feasible, Louisiana will get all the federal aid that it needs. All commentary in this thread to the contrary is just us liberals having some fun at Jindal's expense because of the hypocritical nature of his policies versus this request.
 
2012-08-28 09:26:46 AM  

stoli n coke: karnal: erveek

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.

Remember when Obama said that we would go into Pakistan to kill bin Laden? Remember how Republicans screeched in horror that he would invade our best chums in the world who would never harbor any terrorists?

Of course you don't. Fox News told you it never happened.


Is that what NBC News told you?
Here's your card:
[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

Obama campaigned on it and mentioned it in every one of the 2008 Presidential debates.
McCain rebutted that it was a bad idea, since Pakistan was an ally.

I know, remembering stuff are hard.


No, no, no. Don't make it easy like that. Provide a link, with quotes and sources, and see if the shill will deny that. It goes to credibility, you see. Here, check it out:

Here's a link

Then, you find a quote from the link that's hilarious in retrospect... "John Podhoretz wrote in the New York Post that Obama 'basically promised that, as president, he would invade Pakistan,' adding: 'This country is never going to insert military forces to conduct a major campaign against al Qaeda inside Pakistan without the permission of that country's government.'"

Make 'em deny that.
 
2012-08-28 09:27:20 AM  

Felgraf: Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT"...


Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.
 
2012-08-28 09:27:41 AM  
Aagh- where's preview when I need it?

"Throwing away URL because its web server didn't send a 'Content-Type:' header: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/05/02/flashback-the-right-wing-attac k-on-obamas-crazy/179233: 403 Forbidden"
 
2012-08-28 09:28:12 AM  

fireclown: did it just get KOS-y in here?


Yes. Yes it did.
 
2012-08-28 09:29:11 AM  

Sgt Otter: SAND BERMS!


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2012-08-28 09:30:28 AM  
Preparedness for local emergencies is the state's job. Especially if the emergency recurs frequently and you have warning that it is coming. It's your job Jindal, do it. The Federal government should not write you a blank check. If we had what you have been bleating about it would not be coming to help after the disaster either. Do your job.
 
2012-08-28 09:31:17 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.

Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.


If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.
 
2012-08-28 09:32:10 AM  
"They'll be fine. We tithe!"

downloads.thedaily.com
 
2012-08-28 09:32:19 AM  

Mrbogey: Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.


Does it really make you feel better to point out that Jindal is simply being an idiot instead of partisan on this matter?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:04 AM  
White House to Gov. Jindal: fark you! Politic with your own goddamned money, asshole. If the storm hits, we'll help; we always have. How very typical of you Republican governors to deride the federal government as too big, too bloated, too wasteful, etc. until you need it to bail your sorry asses out of a jam, because of a lack of governance on your part.
 
2012-08-28 09:33:07 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: No, Jindal started the political talk by pretending the response of the administration was inadequate because the Fed's refuse to write him a blank check by guaranteeing every dollar the state spends on the disaster will be reimbursed by the Feds.

That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


You do realize the words "black" or "Democrat" don't appear in the quote you've cited at all, right?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:27 AM  

Headso:
If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.


Is that why we give food aid to North Korea when we know that most of it goes straight to feed the army? In the hope that some will reach the actual starving people?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:30 AM  
If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.
 
2012-08-28 09:33:40 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


But on the other paw, he has in the past come out against all forms of federal spending, disaster assistance, hurricane studies and detection, volcano and earth quake studies and detection. And now he's asking for all this money, plus money they would have spent even if there wasn't a hurricane. This isn't the first time the state has had to deal with a hurricane, shouldn't have they prepared for this?
 
2012-08-28 09:33:57 AM  

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


One day before landfall, Katrina was a category 5 hurricane. Issac is due to make landfall tomorrow but is currently just a tropical storm.

One of these is a common occurrence and one is a storm of a lifetime.
 
2012-08-28 09:34:44 AM  

andhravodu: This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


Neither is the whole recession, but judging from congress and the endless anti-abortion bills, apparently there is no depth that they won't sink to win one for the party.
 
2012-08-28 09:34:55 AM  

tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!


What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"
 
2012-08-28 09:36:33 AM  
Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work
 
2012-08-28 09:36:58 AM  

Paul Baumer: whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.


Sounds like he'd do a heckuva job for Romney in case Rafalca gets a cabinet level position.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:08 AM  
President to speak on Isaac at 10AM EDT. Link
 
2012-08-28 09:38:10 AM  

Muta: Louisiana is Americas Swap Castle. They said I was stupid for building a castle in a swap but I built it anyway. It sank into the swap. I built another one and it sank too.


Yeah, idiots building in the mouth of one of the world's largest river system that leads into the heart of one of the most abudant agricultural, industial and natural resource development area on the planet is just INSANE!.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:41 AM  
Funny how the red state Goopers always have their hands out for gubmint-taxpayer money.
 
2012-08-28 09:38:57 AM  
Right wingers: your stance is self reliance, build it yourself, and no government help.

How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?
 
2012-08-28 09:40:00 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Does it really make you feel better to point out that Jindal is simply being an idiot instead of partisan on this matter?


I think pointing out the stupidity of some farkers is an easy yet satisfying endeavor sometimes.

"Jindal is being partisan!!!"
"Really? You think he's doing this because Obama is a Democrat?"
"Who said anything about him being a Democrat? You idiot!!!"
"It's what partisan means. Doing things because of party affiliation"
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2012-08-28 09:40:01 AM  

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


This is a very good example. Louisiana did fine during the actual hurricane. The problem were the levees which failed unexpectedly after the hurricane. In this case, the flooding was a unexpected event. sinc ethe levees weren't topped and were supposed to handle that volume of water.

Mississippi, on the other hand got prison raped by Katrina, the Hurricane.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:03 AM  
Obviously, Obama doesn't care about racially ambiguous people.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:29 AM  

immrlizard: Sorry bud, we turned it into a voucher program. Here is your buck two fifty. Make due. We are balancing the budget and all. Time to get boot strappy and make it work


Every state should get a voucher for based on the amount of tax as it paid in. Be careful what you wish for Republicans, I think that this would actually be a good idea to balance the budget. Bring it on.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:32 AM  

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?


Since when have conservatives cared about the fact that they're enormous hypocrites?
 
2012-08-28 09:40:48 AM  

Headso: More_Like_A_Stain: Headso: These welfare states need our tax money in these situations, at the end of the day playing politics with disaster relief funding is farked because there are real people in desperate times. These poorer states should be paid back 100%.

Even if the money was spent ineffectively? Or worse, in a blatantly corrupt fashion? Because that's what seems to be the request here. FEMA has a pretty good track record everywhere they've been needed, except when LA and NOLA officials are involved. Disaster relief aid is offered and available, but Jindal wants a blank check instead. No, that doesn't sound fishy at all.

If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.


Sending aid in the form of personnel, equipment, and supplies effectively deals with the disaster while reducing the opportunity for corruption. A blank check just invites more corruption with no guarantee of actual disaster relief at all. Based on the results of the last time a hurricane hit NOLA, and the efforts of Jindal and crew during the BP oil spill, there is no reason to expect that simply guaranteeing reimbursement of 100% of the States expenditures will have a more positive effect than sending direct aid. Perhaps if LA, NOLA and Jindal himself had a better track record, this would be less of an issue.
 
2012-08-28 09:40:50 AM  

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

 
2012-08-28 09:42:12 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Preparedness for local emergencies is the state's job. Especially if the emergency recurs frequently and you have warning that it is coming. It's your job Jindal, do it. The Federal government should not write you a blank check. If we had what you have been bleating about it would not be coming to help after the disaster either. Do your job.


I actually don't mind a governor asking for emergency funds.

I do mind this governor, who argues the federal government should not spend money on volcano monitoring and satellites (some of which provide us with weather updates) and should instead concentrate on the economy, publically chastising the federal government when they don't give him more emergency funds.
 
2012-08-28 09:43:46 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?

This is a very good example. Louisiana did fine during the actual hurricane. The problem were the levees which failed unexpectedly after the hurricane. In this case, the flooding was a unexpected event. sinc ethe levees weren't topped and were supposed to handle that volume of water.

Mississippi, on the other hand got prison raped by Katrina, the Hurricane.


And to be fair to MS, there was little they could do about that. It basically scoured the coastal areas. Same thing happened a few weeks later with Rita on the other side of LA.
 
2012-08-28 09:44:53 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Headso:
If you have to deal with a higher level of corruption to get people aid in certain parts of the nation than so be it, if corruption in government is suddenly a priority than deal with it after the fact.

Is that why we give food aid to North Korea when we know that most of it goes straight to feed the army? In the hope that some will reach the actual starving people?


No, we give food aid to North Korea because China doesn't want millions of starving North Korean refugees pouring across their border. It's a simple way to endear ourselves to China that also happens to have humanitarian benefits.
 
2012-08-28 09:45:31 AM  

Paul Baumer: If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.


You know, I get that giving wealthy donors the ambassadorship to Luxembourg or making them head of the President's Council on Jazzercise is a long-standing tradition on both sides...but the head of farking FEMA?
 
2012-08-28 09:46:06 AM  

draa: johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

 
2012-08-28 09:47:54 AM  

johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?


Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...
 
2012-08-28 09:49:38 AM  

Mrbogey: I think pointing out the stupidity of some farkers is an easy yet satisfying endeavor sometimes.


It's easy because you're picking low-hanging fruit in the form of technicalities. Patting yourself on the back for that is more than just a little pathetic.
 
2012-08-28 09:50:05 AM  

JackieRabbit: johnnyrocket: How is this not hypocrisy for Jindal to want to suck off the government teat?

Bad: the government liberals wasting money by sending it to other states
Good: the government liberals giving money to my state
Today: mumbling...Thank you, we sure appreciate that fark you, not enough money and too many restrictions
Tomorrow: those bleeding-heart liberals are going to break us!!!!! All they can do is spend, spend, spend!!!!!

Lather, rinse, repeat...


ftfy
 
2012-08-28 09:50:25 AM  

Mrbogey: Felgraf: Um, he didn't say anything about "IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRAT"...

Perhaps you missed how he accused Jindal of making it a partisan issue? That's stating that Jindal is doing this because Obama is a Democrat.


I do think Jindal is making it a partisan issue. You apparently do not. That's and honest difference of opinion, hardly worthy of saying someone is psychotic and needs meds, but welcome to Fark, right?

So, my question is, has any Louisiana governor asked for federal reimbursement of all state funds spent on hurricane preparation before?
 
2012-08-28 09:51:11 AM  
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2012-08-28 09:54:33 AM  

the1hatman: but "your team" is no better


You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?
 
2012-08-28 09:56:26 AM  

RyogaM: BeesNuts: I'm not going to begrudge the man doing what needed to be done to literally save his constituents' lives.

I'd begrudge the ever-living fark out of the man had he chosen to ride this out on his own until his state was underwater.

See, here's the thing though: Jindal now faces a decision, spend the money he should spend in order to protect the state's citizens, even though there is no guarantee that the money will be reimbursed by the fed, which is the right decision, or, refuse to spend the money he should spend, and let the citizens suffer, because there is no guarantee the money is going to be reimbursed, and pretend that the Obama is to blame for his decision to not spend the money and let everyone suffer. Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.


This. The US did not event emergency management processes. These exist everywhere in the world and pretty much follow the same hierarchical process. Local authorities do what needs to be done. If it exceeds their capabilities they go to regional authorities and they do what needs to be done and so on up to Federal or even International level if necessary.

You don't think about budgets in an emergency, you spend and sort it out later. If people's lives are at stake and you don't authorize an expenditure you are a complete idiot.
 
2012-08-28 09:56:30 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


I think you are the one being obtuse. Maybe if republicans would quit yelling about socialism and how bad government is we wouldn't want to rub their noses in stuff like this. They want to pretend that taxes are unfairly redistributed instead of acknowledging that there is a need in a civilized society to share certain burdens.
 
2012-08-28 09:56:57 AM  
gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.
 
2012-08-28 09:58:22 AM  

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.

 
2012-08-28 09:59:27 AM  

qorkfiend: No, we give food aid to North Korea because China doesn't want millions of starving North Korean refugees pouring across their border. It's a simple way to endear ourselves to China that also happens to have humanitarian benefits.


Not to mention, that be feeding the Best Koreans we have some leverage with them. It's all a poker game.
 
2012-08-28 09:59:30 AM  

andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


I didn't give a "guy" on the other "side". Here's a raving hypocrite, like Ron Paul with his "earmarks are bad, except for when I need them" crap. You can't make a principled stand and then go against that principle. He should not have done the stunt about Medicaid, it's stupid. He only serves his people when it's politically convenient. Good for him for requesting aid. It doesn't mean I can't call him an insufferable hypocritical douchebag nontheless.
 
2012-08-28 09:59:59 AM  
the best thing to do, IMHO, would be to evacuate ALL of NO, break all the levees and let the water find its level. Then rebuild on higher ground. Think of all the jobs that would create!
 
2012-08-28 10:01:41 AM  

HeartBurnKid: tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!

What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"


and all this spending will be used to thrash him over the head with later on. just like all their tax cut debt. tarp debt. medicare part d debt. war debt. like it's somehow all attributed to Obama's socialist agenda and it was all given to blacks of welfare.
 
2012-08-28 10:01:59 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Funny how the red state Goopers always have their hands out for gubmint-taxpayer money.


"Goopers," I'm going to use that.
 
2012-08-28 10:03:57 AM  

Hobodeluxe: HeartBurnKid: tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!

What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

and all this spending will be used to thrash him over the head with later on. just like all their tax cut debt. tarp debt. medicare part d debt. war debt. like it's somehow all attributed to Obama's socialist agenda and it was all given to blacks on welfare.


my bad. still on my first cup of coffee.
 
2012-08-28 10:04:42 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: President to speak on Isaac at 10AM EDT. Link


he's late
 
2012-08-28 10:04:57 AM  

RyogaM: You apparently do not. That's and honest difference of opinion, hardly worthy of saying someone is psychotic and needs meds


That wasn't the issue. We can disagree whether it's politics or not but other claimed it was political. Saying they didn't say that is what you did.
 
2012-08-28 10:05:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: HeartBurnKid: tfresh: OMG its for an incoming hurricane! What's wrong with you people?!

What's wrong with us is we're sick of hearing farkers like Jindal scream about "SMALL GOVERNMENT!" and "OBAMA'S BLOOD MONEY!" until they actually need help, and then it's all "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

and all this spending will be used to thrash him over the head with later on. just like all their tax cut debt. tarp debt. medicare part d debt. war debt. like it's somehow all attributed to Obama's socialist agenda and it was all given to blacks of welfare.


FeFiFoFark: the best thing to do, IMHO, would be to evacuate ALL of NO, break all the levees and let the water find its level. Then rebuild on higher ground. Think of all the jobs that would create!


Especially since in another thread the GW deniers spent so much time showing how easy it is to move, even giving examples of how buildings were moved. I think that moving is a good idea, spend no more money on it and let them move.
 
2012-08-28 10:06:24 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Dusk-You-n-Me: President to speak on Isaac at 10AM EDT. Link

he's late


The moment of quiet had me thinking he was coming, but then...
 
2012-08-28 10:07:29 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.


If Jindal was a Democrat, he'd make the same request and get the same response. It's not (R-LA) or (D-LA), it's (LA)
 
2012-08-28 10:08:27 AM  

FeFiFoFark: the best thing to do, IMHO, would be to evacuate ALL of NO, break all the levees and let the water find its level. Then rebuild on higher ground. Think of all the jobs that would create!


What are you trying to do, pollute the Gulf?
 
2012-08-28 10:08:31 AM  

GooberMcFly: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

You should tell Jindal that.


Actually, he isn't asking for "help to the state he governs" - he's already getting that. What he is asking for, according to the article, is that the federal government pay not just for the direct federal assistance his state is already receiving, but also that the federal government reimburse his state government for the help his government was already paid to provide (y'know, that whole "taxes" thing.)

That's the embarrassment here. After his bootstrappy posturing, he now thinks it's OK to tell the federal goverment to support his state in its entirety because it had an unforeseen emergency. He doesn't just want "help", he wants Big Guv'mint to make it all better at the expense of the taxpayers from the rest of the country - one of the very things about which he and others of his ilk whine incessantly.
 
2012-08-28 10:08:53 AM  
If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.
 
2012-08-28 10:10:10 AM  
Nice to see the little right-wing biatches in here. HELLO biatchES
 
2012-08-28 10:10:24 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: You apparently do not. That's and honest difference of opinion, hardly worthy of saying someone is psychotic and needs meds

That wasn't the issue. We can disagree whether it's politics or not but other claimed it was political. Saying they didn't say that is what you did.


What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?
 
2012-08-28 10:10:49 AM  

RyogaM: Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.


This is precisely where I'm at with it. Except he's already an ass. But being an ass isn't too bad. Being an irresponsible ass when lives are at stake is unacceptable behavior.
 
2012-08-28 10:10:57 AM  

Mrbogey: trotsky: The idiots on the right made stupid shiat like "federal aid for emergencies" a partisan issue. Hell the idiots on the right make everything a partisan issue.

Because it was right-wingers who flooded this thread and started the political talk.

Jackass.


Wait, we can't talk politics on a thread that is clearly a political topic? You really must be a Tea Party member.
 
2012-08-28 10:11:21 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.


This. Brand new walnut desks and Mont Blanc pens for managers and a new Mercedes for regional department heads can be hidden in the expense sheets as office supplies and transportation, but it doesn't do a thing for actual disaster relief. Allowing contractors to send old, worn out heavy equipment to be destroyed in the aftermath, only to be replaced by shiny new equipment at federal gov expense doesn't do shiat for disaster relief.
 
2012-08-28 10:12:23 AM  

The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

Nobody. It's one thing that people don't mind having their tax dollars used for.

The fact that people need federal assistance in emergencies doesn't disqualify them from saying the government overreaches in other areas. The money the feds spend comes from the people they are helping to begin with.


Eric Cantor, for one.
 
2012-08-28 10:13:14 AM  

dofus: Barricaded Gunman: gaspode: He is asking the feds to guarantee to pay for literally everything the state spends associated with the storm. This from someone from a statist party who openly mocks federal spending on important emergency related issues.

This cannot be repeated enough. Once again, it's the hypocricy of the GOP that is drawing the fire in here, not the expense of helping Louisiana (again) fix a problem that they should have foreseen and prepared for (again).

Louisiana will be helped, just not by airlifting Governor Jindal pallets of no-strings-attached money to do with as he sees fit. He can stamp his tiny little feet all he wants, but it's not gonna happen.

If Jindal was a Democrat, he'd make the same request and get the same response. It's not (R-LA) or (D-LA), it's (LA)


I'm trying to find any evidence that any governor of LA has made a request like the one Jindal is making, or any other state, for that matter, and what the normal response to these requests have been. I don't see it.
 
2012-08-28 10:15:06 AM  
This is the same moron who approved barrier islands because he complained that Obama wasn't doing enough to halt the BP oil spill despite scientists telling him it was a dumb idea. He got to grandstand about taking state initiative over the Feds only to watch his expensive project wash away. Why the fark would anyone give this man a blank check?
 
2012-08-28 10:15:17 AM  

BeesNuts: RyogaM: Now, if Jindal goes with plan 2, and tries to blame Obama, he is an ass. Let's see what happens.

This is precisely where I'm at with it. Except he's already an ass. But being an ass isn't too bad. Being an irresponsible ass when lives are at stake is unacceptable behavior.


At least give Obama an opportunity to completely mishandle the government's reaction to the devastation of Hurricane Hayes before pointing fingers. Sheesh.
 
2012-08-28 10:15:58 AM  

RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.


No, they won't. The Congress may appropriate money for such a purpose, but they have no authority to disburse it. That authority resides solely with the Office of the President of the United States. He is the chief executive and he runs the government, not Congress.
 
2012-08-28 10:17:34 AM  
I'm sure that somewhere along the line, considering the complexions of both Obama and Jindal, someone's gonna make a "heckuva job, Brownie" joke, right?

/too soon?
 
2012-08-28 10:18:01 AM  

propasaurus: Eric Cantor, for one.


Now, while I do think that was bad, he was not against Joplin getting aid. He just wanted some offsetting cuts in what he viewed as wasteful spending. Damn bad time to try that maneuver though.
 
2012-08-28 10:19:09 AM  

impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."


Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.
 
2012-08-28 10:21:03 AM  

Thunderpipes: Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


they are a welfare state, not a good idea to try to hold the nation hostage like that if you get back more than you put in...
 
2012-08-28 10:21:14 AM  
From my (limited) experience working Federal emergency response operations, I don't think Federal aid works that wthe way Mr. Jindal thinks it does.

If Louisiana and the Fedearl Government had agreements on preventative measures that the Federal government is now refusing to reimburse, that'd be one thing. If the State just decided they were going to build a bunch of stuff and then charge the Federal government later, that's another thing entirely.

Generally speaking, any emergency response requests get coordinated and requested through the State, then routed up to the appropriate Federal agency for distribution and payment. The State doesn't get to provide whatever they want and then expect the Feds to reimburse everything, no questions asked.

Granted, I don't know the full story, but it sounds like Jindal is asking for a blank check, which isn't just a waste of many, it could lead to gross mismanagement of finite resources and manpower that could do a lot of damage and potentially get people hurt.
 
2012-08-28 10:25:13 AM  
Full reimbursment? Nah. Let's say 30% additional funding for a photo-op shaking hands with the president under a turbulent sky.
 
2012-08-28 10:26:38 AM  

Thunderpipes: impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."

Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being stick your dick in a light socket and 10 being that you think you can shiat play-doh, how stupid are you?
 
2012-08-28 10:29:06 AM  
Let's try to look at the facts, and see if there is evidence to support the contention that Jindal is trying to make a political statement by asking Obama for reimbursement of state preparation funds.

Fact: Jindal is a Republican, Obama is a Democrat. Obviously, Jindal would like to make Obama look bad just for this reason.

Fact: We are in the midst of a closely contested presidential race, making Obama look bad is especially important right now.

Fact: Obama has already pledged direct federal assistance to the area, the type of assistance standard in emergencies of this sort.

Fact: Jindal appears to be asking for extraordinary assistance in the request for a black check to pay back state funds.

Fact: Jindal is asking Obama for these funds, and, if Obama refuses these funds, could be construed as not helping LA enough.

Fact: Jindal has apparently not asked the Republicans in the House or the Senate for a special disbursement of emergency "Blank check" funds.

Fact: It's odd that Jindal would ask for a reimbursement now, rather than concentrate on doing what is needed and worrying about the money later. However, Jindal could be doing both at the same time, so not too much should be made of this.

These facts strongly support the assertion that Jindal has political reasons to ask for the black check from Obama, rather than Congress directly.
 
2012-08-28 10:29:20 AM  

Thunderpipes: impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."

Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


Where did you see this?
 
2012-08-28 10:32:01 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being stick your dick in a light socket and 10 being that you think you can shiat play-doh, how stupid are you?


Please don't engage the performance artist playing the stereotypical angry rightwing dumbfark, maybe he'll finally go away.
 
2012-08-28 10:34:30 AM  
Doh: Link
 
2012-08-28 10:36:41 AM  

JackieRabbit: RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.

No, they won't. The Congress may appropriate money for such a purpose, but they have no authority to disburse it. That authority resides solely with the Office of the President of the United States. He is the chief executive and he runs the government, not Congress.


Right, but it's more likely to be disbursed if the Congress authorizes it first. Can the president even refuse to disburse funds appropriated by the Congress? I thought that was settled with a no.

In fact, what Jindal is requesting marks a dangerous precedent. He's basically saying the president should have sole discretion to disburse federal money to states to reimburse a state for ordinary state expenses, ordinary meaning, a state in a hurricane prone area should ordinary be preparing for hurricanes, without any Congressional oversight. Sees dangerous to me.
 
2012-08-28 10:37:07 AM  
Bobby Jindal is the bum who asks you for a dollar outside the Newark Penn Station McDonald's so he can get a burger, and then when you're kind enough to give him one he asks for another dollar for some fries.

Fark him.
 
2012-08-28 10:37:45 AM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


the dude has a long history of bemoaning the federal aid he gets. see the pictures above of the stimulus checks. those reflect what many republicans did, piss and moan and spend the money. he has also turned down the federal medicaid help that come with the ACA because socialism or some crap. actually he doesn't like that it make us pay some downstream in year 3 or 4.

and i said us because i live in LA and will be getting real wet in the next 36 hours. bobby has done every tea party thing you can do with a budget and now we have no money and he's complaining that Obama isn't helping enough.

it's disgusting.
 
2012-08-28 10:39:34 AM  

memtastic: Doh: Link

FTA: But the damage in the other three counties was significant too: In Cleveland County, 154 homes were damaged, including 141 destroyed. Of those, 127 were uninsured. In Oklahoma County, 38 homes were damaged, including 33 destroyed. Of those, 31 were uninsured. In Payne County, 63 homes were damaged, including 53 destroyed. Of those, 59 were uninsured.


What the hell? Are we becoming a nation of morons?
 
2012-08-28 10:41:10 AM  

RyogaM: memtastic: Doh: Link

FTA: But the damage in the other three counties was significant too: In Cleveland County, 154 homes were damaged, including 141 destroyed. Of those, 127 were uninsured. In Oklahoma County, 38 homes were damaged, including 33 destroyed. Of those, 31 were uninsured. In Payne County, 63 homes were damaged, including 53 destroyed. Of those, 59 were uninsured.

What the hell? Are we becoming a nation of morons?


05.images.fireden.net
 
2012-08-28 10:41:29 AM  

RyogaM: What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?


Now you're just purposefully being obtuse and trying to divert the issue.

Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't. That the posters here making it political aren't the ones starting it.

Because Republicans make you do things.
 
2012-08-28 10:42:14 AM  
Hey, Bobby, don't you have some actual work to do? Link: Isaac before landfall
 
2012-08-28 10:42:59 AM  
Seriously, every single one of these right wing ideas should be implemented immediately.

LA does not want to pay Federal taxes? DO IT! the US would save billions.

"just move N.O.". DO IT!.

Need their tax money back. DO IT! pay to each state in proportion to what they put in. The USA would save a ton of money, and states like Texas would get a little more.

Don't want the weather service or other government program, DO IT! Start your own weather service or just die, I don't care. No cheating and using federal data. Maybe you can privatize it.

Don't want health care, DO IT! Your state won't have to pay in, and you won't get any benefits. Just die instead, I don't care.

Want to spend all your money on Jindalberms or hurricane deflection prayer centers or rapture preparation centers for pets , DO IT. No help for you when they don't work. Seriously, states should be able to opt out of all federal benefits.
 
2012-08-28 10:43:21 AM  
The Muthaship: Now, while I do think that was bad, (Eric Cantor) was not against Joplin getting aid. He just wanted some offsetting cuts in what he viewed as wasteful spending. Damn bad time to try that maneuver though.

When is it ever a "damn bad time" to try and push the GOP agenda? The Republicans have shown time and again that they're willing to hold anyone (population of Joplin, Missouri) or anything (America's credit rating) hostage if it means furthering the Right Wing agenda. And all while praising Jebus and wearing a lapel flag and telling each other they love their country.
 
2012-08-28 10:45:23 AM  

Mrbogey: Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't.


However, this is unquestionably the first step towards that goal. He can't blame Obama for not helping when the aid is already authorized. He has to make an unreasonable request that is certain to be denied before he can claim that his pleas fell on deaf ears.
 
2012-08-28 10:45:26 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Seriously, every single one of these right wing ideas should be implemented immediately.

LA does not want to pay Federal taxes? DO IT! the US would save billions.

"just move N.O.". DO IT!.

Need their tax money back. DO IT! pay to each state in proportion to what they put in. The USA would save a ton of money, and states like Texas would get a little more.

Don't want the weather service or other government program, DO IT! Start your own weather service or just die, I don't care. No cheating and using federal data. Maybe you can privatize it.

Don't want health care, DO IT! Your state won't have to pay in, and you won't get any benefits. Just die instead, I don't care.

Want to spend all your money on Jindalberms or hurricane deflection prayer centers or rapture preparation centers for pets , DO IT. No help for you when they don't work. Seriously, states should be able to opt out of all federal benefits.


Can we just let everything south of I-10 and I-12 be part of a new state instead? I could give a flying fark what happens north of I-10.
 
2012-08-28 10:45:33 AM  

smitty04: photos1.blogger.com


I'm pretty sure that there are some homes designed to float in Denmark.
 
2012-08-28 10:45:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: This is the same moron who approved barrier islands because he complained that Obama wasn't doing enough to halt the BP oil spill despite scientists telling him it was a dumb idea. He got to grandstand about taking state initiative over the Feds only to watch his expensive project wash away. Why the fark would anyone give this man a blank check?


Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I didn't even know who the guy was until he did that, exposing himself as a first-class dick. The smarmy asshole was all over the news, pontificating about how HE would save everybody, since the federal government was too incompetent. it was obvious that he didn't give a fark about the real issue, and just needed some disaster so he could put himself in the spotlight.

And what do you know--here he is again, doing the exact same thing.
 
2012-08-28 10:46:22 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?

Now you're just purposefully being obtuse and trying to divert the issue.

Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't. That the posters here making it political aren't the ones starting it.

Because Republicans make you do things.


Soooo, you're saying that GOP "political reality" is in apposite to reality? Color me shocked.
 
2012-08-28 10:50:54 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?

Now you're just purposefully being obtuse and trying to divert the issue.

Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't. That the posters here making it political aren't the ones starting it.

Because Republicans make you do things.


No, I think the facts are such that there is strong evidence that Jindal is politicizing the request for a blank check. I think Jindal did start it, and that the posters who recognize Jindal's attempt should be applauded for their astute observation of the political sphere we now find ourselves in. I think people who fail to see that Jindal's request seems to be an attempt to make Obama look bad, in addition to being an attempt to make LA's budget look better, probably are a little naive or are Republican apologists. Neither side should be insulted or made to feel they have some mental health concerns, except for the Republican apologists, who are clearly nuts.
 
2012-08-28 10:57:52 AM  
THis looks like one of those "politics ends at the waters edge" things. No matter what Jindals politics are, he's looking at the likelihood of a whold mess of destruction, and is trying to take advantage of every tool out there. That's not crazy, it's practical. If I were drowning, I'd grab onto a life preserver from HItler.
 
2012-08-28 10:58:25 AM  

cryinoutloud: Fart_Machine: This is the same moron who approved barrier islands because he complained that Obama wasn't doing enough to halt the BP oil spill despite scientists telling him it was a dumb idea. He got to grandstand about taking state initiative over the Feds only to watch his expensive project wash away. Why the fark would anyone give this man a blank check?

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. I didn't even know who the guy was until he did that, exposing himself as a first-class dick. The smarmy asshole was all over the news, pontificating about how HE would save everybody, since the federal government was too incompetent. it was obvious that he didn't give a fark about the real issue, and just needed some disaster so he could put himself in the spotlight.

And what do you know--here he is again, doing the exact same thing.



This pipsqueak needs to shut up and let the grown ups do their jobs.
 
2012-08-28 11:00:54 AM  

Aarontology: 2wolves: The Muthaship: Who complains about federal spending when it is for disaster aid?

The GOP.

Specifically, Gov Jindal in his post State Of The Union official GOP response to President Obama.


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2012-08-28 11:10:50 AM  

RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.


You should wait until you finish the fifth grade to discuss matters learned in civics class.
 
2012-08-28 11:15:45 AM  

Delay: Hey, Bobby, don't you have some actual work to do? Link: Isaac before landfall


Cool. I'll be checking that out repeatedly. OMGWE'REALLGOINGTODIE
 
2012-08-28 11:17:02 AM  

Green Scorpio: RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.

You should wait until you finish the fifth grade to discuss matters learned in civics class.


Explain to me why I'm wrong.
 
2012-08-28 11:18:25 AM  

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.


If the mission had gone tits up Obama never would have heard the end of Republican whining. No matter how you slice it he gave the order to go in rather than just blow the compound up. We got lots of intelligence info and confirmation of Bin Laden's death.

I guess it's OK for Bushie to fly in on an aircraft carrier and declare Mission Accomplished.
 
2012-08-28 11:18:38 AM  
Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?
 
2012-08-28 11:20:43 AM  

Sgt Otter: Paul Baumer: If nothing else, I hope this focuses attention on the fact that Obama's FEMA director actually worked for 20 years in emergency management, as opposed to the Brownie - hired AFTER 9/11 - whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.

You know, I get that giving wealthy donors the ambassadorship to Luxembourg or making them head of the President's Council on Jazzercise is a long-standing tradition on both sides...but the head of farking FEMA?


And the thing is, statistically you know FEMA is going to be called out several times a year to a greater or lesser extent, and at least one big one every couple of years, so it's not even if you can pretend you can get lucky and his leadership wouldn't be needed for his term in charge. It does make you wonder if the accusation the GOP is "proving government sucks by screwing it up" isn't just hyperbole/satire, but an accurate assessment of their strategy. It seems like it should be too silly to be real and just an exaggeration, but stuff like that appointment really make you wonder.
 
2012-08-28 11:21:57 AM  
He's like almost all Republicans. The govt. spending that benefits him is OK. Govt. spending that benefits people he doesn't like is bad. It's the "fark you, I got mine" party.
 
2012-08-28 11:23:39 AM  

xria: It does make you wonder if the accusation the GOP is "proving government sucks by screwing it up" isn't just hyperbole/satire, but an accurate assessment of their strategy.


It's been painfully clear for almost a decade that this is exactly what they're doing willfully and maliciously, and you're still dithering?
 
2012-08-28 11:24:55 AM  
Actually it's far longer than a decade. Newt Gingrich's GOP orchestrated the government shutdown in 1995 and 1996 -- again, deliberately and maliciously -- and it backfired on the scumbag very quickly.
 
2012-08-28 11:26:04 AM  

domino324: I love it, Obama offers boots on the ground, and Jindal is all "no no, just cut us a check for everything we spend!"

What's he planning on paying for? I would assume emergency personnel and supplies, which Obama's offering directly.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say there's some profiteering by some rich old men that Bobby wants to launder through this emergency.


Not even tinfoil, just smart betting odds.
 
2012-08-28 11:30:17 AM  
Jindal: "We need more federal money"

Obama: "We're sending three truckloads of bootstraps Bobby"

Jindal: "Drats! Hoisted by my own petard!"
 
2012-08-28 11:30:28 AM  

trappedspirit: Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?


It's a term beloved by the GOP apologists who happen to be rugged individualist that would never under any circumstances need governmental support. When said rugged individualists ask for governmental support it is fun to point our their complete and utter hypocrisy by using their buzzwords and catch phrases against them.
 
2012-08-28 11:30:55 AM  
Obama should hold an hour-long press conference detailing his decision-making process in this matter, specifying how the funds are going the be used, discussing the importance of federal aid to the states, etc.

. . . just so he can use the terms "Bobby Jindal" and "government money" in the same sentence a thousand times.
 
2012-08-28 11:33:00 AM  
Business owners are readying to repair levys and repave roads.
 
2012-08-28 11:33:52 AM  

trappedspirit: Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?


Drink!
 
2012-08-28 11:38:28 AM  
Hey all you farking commies, last I checked citizens of LA are forced pay federal income tax, so quit your biatchin!
 
2012-08-28 11:38:28 AM  

max_pooper: trappedspirit: Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?

It's a term beloved by the GOP apologists who happen to be rugged individualist that would never under any circumstances need governmental support. When said rugged individualists ask for governmental support it is fun to point our their complete and utter hypocrisy by using their buzzwords and catch phrases against them.


What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.
 
2012-08-28 11:42:37 AM  

gomundo: Hey all you farking commies, last I checked citizens of LA are forced pay federal income tax, so quit your biatchin!


Yeah but LA already gets $1.44 for every dollar they pay in federal taxes, isn't it time they stop suckling at the federal taxpayers teat? Bobby "Uncle Sugar will take of us" Jindal should put his Socialist hand back in his pocket.
 
2012-08-28 11:43:24 AM  
What people forget about "bootstrapping" is that it's an act which is physically impossible.
 
2012-08-28 11:46:17 AM  
We needs a few hundred million more dollars to funnel towards my donors' dredging companies, so we can build more sand berms (new window).

But could the federal government reimburse please? Thanks!

-Bobby
 
2012-08-28 11:48:28 AM  

RussianPooper: What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.


Who co-opted it now? I've never seen a rightwinger use the term.
 
2012-08-28 11:49:23 AM  

wjmorris3: cabbyman: Why doesn't Obama just send in the army to make sure we don't have another bad thing happen?

Because if Jindal had any guts, he'd mobilize the state police to prevent that.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Oh, shiat, thank you. I needed a laugh like that today.
 
2012-08-28 11:51:17 AM  

The Name: Obama should hold an hour-long press conference detailing his decision-making process in this matter, specifying how the funds are going the be used, discussing the importance of federal aid to the states, etc.

. . . just so he can use the terms "Bobby Jindal" and "government money" in the same sentence a thousand times.


Ermahgerd, This so much.
 
2012-08-28 11:52:18 AM  
Well, who could have possibly predicted that sand would shift when it's saturated with water? It's not like you could recreate that experiment in a tupperware container and get that exact same result... oh wait.

Yeah, that's really the kind of genius you want to give a blank cheque to.
 
2012-08-28 11:54:32 AM  
So Jindal wants a bigger government handout now?
 
2012-08-28 11:56:00 AM  
how did this assclown get elected governor in the first place?
 
2012-08-28 11:58:06 AM  

clevershark: Well, who could have possibly predicted that sand would shift when it's saturated with water? It's not like you could recreate that experiment in a tupperware container and get that exact same result... oh wait.

Yeah, that's really the kind of genius you want to give a blank cheque to.


Quit making fun of the Jindalberms! It was God's will that the sand collapsed when it got wet. There was no way to have known.
 
2012-08-28 11:58:50 AM  

RyogaM: JackieRabbit: RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.

No, they won't. The Congress may appropriate money for such a purpose, but they have no authority to disburse it. That authority resides solely with the Office of the President of the United States. He is the chief executive and he runs the government, not Congress.

Right, but it's more likely to be disbursed if the Congress authorizes it first. Can the president even refuse to disburse funds appropriated by the Congress? I thought that was settled with a no.

In fact, what Jindal is requesting marks a dangerous precedent. He's basically saying the president should have sole discretion to disburse federal money to states to reimburse a state for ordinary state expenses, ordinary meaning, a state in a hurricane prone area should ordinary be preparing for hurricanes, without any Congressional oversight. Sees dangerous to me.


When the president declares a state of emergency, he can disburse money without congressional approval. If the amount is quite large, he can ask Congress for a special appropriation, so that he doesn't have to divert too much money from federal programs. The president is not required to spend any money appropriated by Congress for a specific use. He can issue an executive order to not pursue the funded activity and leave the money in the treasury. He cannot divert the money to other uses, however.

Jindal is just playing politics and attempting to paint the president. The State of Louisiana, like all states, receives annual federal funding to assist with hurricane and other disaster planning. After Karina, one would think that the state would now have a fully funded storm preparation plan. If they don't, that reflects badly on Jindal and his government. If I were Jindal, I'd be backing away with a confrontation with Barack Obama over this. It's one thing to attempt to politically embarrass the president, but outright pissing him off, when you need his help, is not going to get you anywhere.
 
2012-08-28 12:01:05 PM  
@MikeMc those figures have been debunked many times over. Anyway come November you lose!
 
2012-08-28 12:03:40 PM  
Everyone's a socialist when their house is burning down.
 
2012-08-28 12:08:32 PM  

Mrbogey: RussianPooper: What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.

Who co-opted it now? I've never seen a rightwinger use the term.


Really?

"I got my education from the University of Idaho because that's what I could afford. No, I don't come from the self-proclaimed 'movers and shakers' group and that's fine with me. It's caused me, or rather, allowed me, to work harder and pull myself up by my bootstraps without anyone else helping me. I think it allows me to be in touch with the vast majority of Americans who are in the same position that I am."

Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Nominee 2008.
 
2012-08-28 12:10:46 PM  

The Muthaship: propasaurus: Eric Cantor, for one.

Now, while I do think that was bad, he was not against Joplin getting aid. He just wanted some offsetting cuts in what he viewed as wasteful spending. Damn bad time to try that maneuver though.


That's one way to put it. Another would be that he held Joplin hostage for his pet-cuts. Seriously, it was disgusting, unprincipled grandstanding and Eric Cantor should be universally reviled for even being willing to play games with a natural disaster like that. Farking sociopath.
 
2012-08-28 12:12:17 PM  

karnal: Sure - turn this natural disaster into a partisan play. Obama's defining moment!? Nope - his defining moment was the killing of Bin Laden....and we all know how much he had to do with that.


I thought his defining moment was when Obamacare was upheld by the Supreme Court. No? Something else?
 
2012-08-28 12:13:11 PM  
Princess Jindal: "Save me Oba-Ma. You're my only hope."
 
2012-08-28 12:13:24 PM  
It's not socialism when we do it! Emergency of not, stick to your farking guns you rotten POS.
 
2012-08-28 12:18:45 PM  

clevershark: What people forget about "bootstrapping" is that it's an act which is physically impossible.


You can pull on your bootstraps all you want, but it'll just bring you down to the ground where you're easier to walk over.

Which is the point.
 
2012-08-28 12:20:30 PM  

beta_plus: 1) Federal Liberals: Tax people too heavily so the conservative states can't get that money

2) Conservative States ask federal liberals for some of that money back for things like roads and emergency services such as extra law enforcement

3) Federal Liberals "HAHAHAHA! Now you like big government!"

/this is what liberals actually do and believe
//LA really hates it since Federal Liberals used that taxing power to force the drinking age to 21


Reagan even threatened to withhold federal highway funds from states that didn't ratify the National Minimum Drinking Age Act:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1092767630.html
 
2012-08-28 12:22:51 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: It's not socialism when we do it! Emergency of not, stick to your farking guns you rotten POS.


No. Help your constituency, even if it makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Better a hypocrite than a murderer.

There are times to renege on a commitment. In this case, it's not taking aid that makes Jindal a shiatwaffle. It's his constant braying about OTHER people taking aid. It's his attempts to deny other people aid. It's his politicizing of national tragedy and it's his willingness to be so blatantly duplicitous about his principles.

It will be annoying if he's given the blank check and he proceeds to use it to pay his buddies. It will be annoying if he's not given a blank check, but rather a reasonable compromise which he mismanages and then it will be even more annoying if he then pretends that this is somehow Obama's fault.

But taking federal money to make sure people don't die in the streets? Hard to get mad at the man.
 
2012-08-28 12:27:42 PM  

Thunderpipes: impaler: Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

It's nice to see Republicans be all bootstrappy and shat.

Give him all he asks and more, and make sure there is a bumper sticker on every piece of equipment that says "WE built this."

Obama wants to deny funds paid by taxpayers in the first place? Fine. The state can declare its citizens immune from federal income tax.

Man, libs are dumbasses.


I thought everyone in NOLA was a welfare queen who just wanted big daddy government to take care of them, but now they are hard-working tax-paying citizens?

Which is it Thunderpipes?
 
2012-08-28 12:28:57 PM  

b0rg9: [i.imgur.com image 265x240]
"Come to Butthead..."


Aw - thanks....I was really hoping to see this!
 
2012-08-28 12:41:53 PM  

andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


No, we're just pointing out his hypocrisy. Believe it or not, a Fark discussion is not going to determine whether he gets his money. And neither is your white-knighting him.
 
2012-08-28 12:45:23 PM  

gomundo: @MikeMc those figures have been debunked many times over. Anyway come November you lose!


By who? Rinse Prius or Bobby Jindal?
 
2012-08-28 12:47:56 PM  

BeesNuts: No. Help your constituency, even if it makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Better a hypocrite than a murderer.


He's asking for federal money to reimburse the state for any money it spends. That's not the same thing as "OMGWTFBBQ people are dying we need help!!!!111!"
 
2012-08-28 12:50:33 PM  

gomundo: Hey all you farking commies, last I checked citizens of LA are forced pay federal income tax, so quit your biatchin!


Last time I checked LA was a State that takes more than it gives. Nothing wrong with that but it does make you look stupid when you shiat on a system that protects your existence.
 
2012-08-28 12:50:52 PM  

JackieRabbit: RyogaM: JackieRabbit: RyogaM: I

When the president declares a state of emergency, he can disburse money without congressional approval. If the amount is quite large, he can ask Congress for a special appropriation, so that he doesn't have to divert too much money from federal programs. The president is not required to spend any money appropriated by Congress for a specific use. He can issue an executive order to not pursue the funded activity and leave the money in the treasury. He cannot divert the money to other uses, however.

Jindal is just playing politics and attempting to paint the president. The State of Louisiana, like all states, receives annual federal funding to assist with hurricane and other disaster planning. After Karina, one would think that the state would now have a fully funded storm preparation plan. If they don't, that reflects badl ...


Thanks for the education.
 
2012-08-28 12:52:27 PM  
Remember when Obama forced BP to put $20 Billion aside for clean-up efforts (mostly for LA) and Republicans apologized for Obama's behavior to the oil industry. Good times.
 
2012-08-28 01:08:55 PM  
I think Jindal should hire Curt Schilling as a consultant on this matter. Curt is really great at procuring government funds.
 
2012-08-28 01:09:16 PM  

gomundo: @MikeMc those figures have been debunked many times over. Anyway come November you lose!


Three statisticals..

1. 30% of Johnson supporters for Romney
2. 1 in 7 undecided
3. Silent Majority

Romney wins. You guys are gonna be sooo pissed off.
 
2012-08-28 01:11:57 PM  

RexTalionis: Born_Again_Bavarian: Perhaps. Maybe if Louisiana was having some kind of unexpected emergency like a earthquake, volcano or zombie invasion. However, the problem here is hurricanes are very common on the Gulf Coast. And the expenses associated with Gulf Coast hurricanes aren't some crazy completely unexpected event.

Tell me, considering that hurricanes are so very common on the Gulf Coast, how well did Louisiana do in 2005?


After being told how many times their levies were insufficient and in desperate need of maintenance, repair or flat out replacement?

Other areas of LA got hit jyst as bad, but fared far better cause they did the did listen instead of suing the corps of engineers afterwards.
 
2012-08-28 01:12:37 PM  

Green Scorpio: RyogaM: If Jindal really, really wants this money, no strings attached, a big ol' black check, he does have other options than Obama. He is free to write a letter to the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate and request that they provide the funds he seeks. It's not that hard.

You should wait until you finish the fifth grade to discuss matters learned in civics class.


So should you. Obama can disperse money that is already earmarked for FEMA, and it appears that he has chosen to do so with federal oversight (which Mr. Jindal does not like). Congress, OTOH, can create an emergency appropriations bill to create a new earmark that the executive branch would be obligated to disperse as required by the bill. Unless he were to veto it, and Congress could not overcome the veto, of course.
 
2012-08-28 01:22:00 PM  
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2012-08-28 01:33:55 PM  

Crapinoleum: andhravodu: PC LOAD LETTER: andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment

Give me a fracking break. He rejected the expansion of Medicaid, which also helps people in the state he governs. Not affording medical care is pretty damn tragic. Just not at "dramatic" as a Hurricane. It really doesn't matter if you are miserable because you lost your house or because you can't afford medical care you need. Sometimes the two are related, as well.

Sure he has his problems. But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?

No, we're just pointing out his hypocrisy. Believe it or not, a Fark discussion is not going to determine whether he gets his money. And neither is your white-knighting him.


This one takes the cake. Me white-knighting Jindal. ha haaa haaa. What's next, Jindal's gonna sleep with me?
 
2012-08-28 01:37:40 PM  

MaliFinn: wjmorris3: cabbyman: Why doesn't Obama just send in the army to make sure we don't have another bad thing happen?

Because if Jindal had any guts, he'd mobilize the state police to prevent that.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Oh, shiat, thank you. I needed a laugh like that today.


That wasn't meant to be funny. Jindal and the rest of Louisiana should secede.
 
2012-08-28 01:45:16 PM  
Louisiana is turning into a disaster dependent welfare state. Well, OK, it was already a welfare state, but now most of their construction industry depends on getting hit with these periodic disasters and then getting those sweet sweet taxpayer Obama dollars to fix it until the next time. 1.1 billion in taxpayer money just to build a wall around NOLA that will fail in the next cat 4 or 5, for example. I'll bet that being a disaster victim is now one of their main industries.
 
2012-08-28 01:45:25 PM  

wjmorris3: Jindal and the rest of Louisiana should secede.


Let the dykes erode away and wait for the ocean to do its thang.
 
2012-08-28 02:04:39 PM  
Boobie Jipall is a douche. He's LOVIN this hurricane, it givse him lots of media facetime, he can look like a hero. Standing up to Obama is heroic in La so he wins on that regardless...hypocrisy doesn't exist. Bite the hand that feeds you much?
 
2012-08-28 02:10:04 PM  
You forget.

GOP "says" they don't want any more spending.
in actuality,
GOP "does" spend tons.

We don't want the Fed involved,
until we want the Fed involved.

Geez...sounds like a bratty teen talking about their parents.
 
2012-08-28 02:14:25 PM  
What's Obama doing here? Getting all his teams prepared, because they can't know where it will strike, but they have an idea, but whatever the case they will try to be ready.

What's Jindal doing? Grandstanding. Do you really think it is appropriate for this behavior with a hurricane bearing down on the Gulf Coast. He should worry about his people and the pennies later.
 
2012-08-28 02:33:34 PM  

MrBallou: the1hatman: but "your team" is no better

You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?


Well when you put forth such a fair and reasoned response such as this I guess I am forced to bow to your personal beliefs. Consider me justly thwarted oh wise and humble farker!
 
2012-08-28 02:40:32 PM  
As long as none of it goes to schools.
 
2012-08-28 03:06:38 PM  

the1hatman: MrBallou: the1hatman: but "your team" is no better

You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?

Well when you put forth such a fair and reasoned response such as this I guess I am forced to bow to your personal beliefs. Consider me justly thwarted oh wise and humble farker!


Yay! I win.

No offense, dude. I just don't accept the "If you did one thing wrong, it makes every nasty thing I ever did OK" argument.
 
2012-08-28 03:20:26 PM  

andhravodu: But in case of an impending storm which needs immediate attention, are you looking to make this our guy vs. their guy?


As TFA states, Louisiana's already been declared a disaster area. Feds can now offer direct assistance "to save lives, protect public health and safety and preserve property in coastal areas".

Jindal is asking for money - reimbursement for preventative measures taken by the state. Why don't we see what he spent it on before deciding on any reimbursement? I'd rather not pay for any more sand berms.
 
2012-08-28 03:25:33 PM  

MrBallou: the1hatman: MrBallou: the1hatman: but "your team" is no better

You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?

Well when you put forth such a fair and reasoned response such as this I guess I am forced to bow to your personal beliefs. Consider me justly thwarted oh wise and humble farker!

Yay! I win.

No offense, dude. I just don't accept the "If you did one thing wrong, it makes every nasty thing I ever did OK" argument.


I love this one, "Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?" followed by "No offense, dude."

Anyway, I also do not accept the "If you did one thing wrong, it makes every nasty thing I ever did OK" argument. This is also not anywhere close to what I said. Next time read someone's entire post before reducing it to the part you took issue with. Remember, reading comprehension saves lives.
 
2012-08-28 03:29:07 PM  
Another Republican leader of an ignorant backwater with his hand out.
 
2012-08-28 03:34:02 PM  

theorellior: Paul Baumer: whose resume was Dancing Horse Society Director.

Sounds like he'd do a heckuva job for Romney in case Rafalca gets a cabinet level position.


I'm Emperor Caligula and I approve of this message.
 
2012-08-28 03:36:15 PM  

the1hatman: MrBallou: the1hatman: MrBallou: the1hatman: but "your team" is no better

You are really wrong. Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?

Well when you put forth such a fair and reasoned response such as this I guess I am forced to bow to your personal beliefs. Consider me justly thwarted oh wise and humble farker!

Yay! I win.

No offense, dude. I just don't accept the "If you did one thing wrong, it makes every nasty thing I ever did OK" argument.

I love this one, "Does it physically hurt to be so profoundly stupid?" followed by "No offense, dude."

Anyway, I also do not accept the "If you did one thing wrong, it makes every nasty thing I ever did OK" argument. This is also not anywhere close to what I said. Next time read someone's entire post before reducing it to the part you took issue with. Remember, reading comprehension saves lives.


Yeah, OK. Have a nice day.
 
2012-08-28 03:40:17 PM  

stoli n coke: Still not as bad as Perry grandstanding about secession, and then putting a hand out when Texas had all those wildfires last year.

A lot of these Republican governors remind me of spoiled teenagers. You know the kind. The ones who tell their parents to go fark themselves, then ask for their allowance an hour later.


No. No, I don't know the kind. Kids get ass whippings where I'm from.
 
2012-08-28 03:45:24 PM  
Shouldn't there be a law that, if you are a federally negative funded state (i.e. you take more than you give), then you are not allowed to carry on and on about how evil socialism is???

Because, it seems to me, that the federal government would be very happy to grant you your greatest wish of reducing your federal taxes to zero as long as they are able to reduce the money they give you back to zero as well.

It is win-win. The state stops being hypocrites and the feds save money!!
 
2012-08-28 03:54:02 PM  

Farking Canuck: Shouldn't there be a law that, if you are a federally negative funded state (i.e. you take more than you give), then you are not allowed to carry on and on about how evil socialism is???

Because, it seems to me, that the federal government would be very happy to grant you your greatest wish of reducing your federal taxes to zero as long as they are able to reduce the money they give you back to zero as well.

It is win-win. The state stops being hypocrites and the feds save money!!


But then we would still have to listen to Texas:

i290.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-28 04:18:52 PM  
Whar is blank check guvernmint?.....stupid socialist Fartbongo, give Bobby da check, waterproof bootstraps is expensive.
 
2012-08-28 05:43:38 PM  
virginiavirtucon.files.wordpress.com 

Barack Obama does not care about black people.
 
2012-08-28 05:51:00 PM  

Graffito: I thought everyone in NOLA was a welfare queen who just wanted big daddy government to take care of them, but now they are hard-working tax-paying citizens?

Which is it Thunderpipes?



To be fair, NOLA either drowned or out-sourced most of the worst of their riff-raff.
 
2012-08-28 05:52:26 PM  

The Muthaship: theorellior: gomundo: @MikeMc those figures have been debunked many times over. Anyway come November you lose!

Three statisticals..

1. 30% of Johnson supporters for Romney

I think the proper term is "Log Cabin Republicans".

 
2012-08-28 06:15:51 PM  
So basically, Jindal wants the money to go to Acadian Ambulance not AMR.
 
2012-08-28 06:39:58 PM  

RussianPooper: What's strangest about it is that the expression, "hoist yourself by your own bootstraps", is meant to be absurd in the first place, and they have co-opted it as an example of their self-reliance.


Maybe you are thinking of Captain Jean Luc Petard
 
2012-08-28 06:40:48 PM  

Devo: trappedspirit: Is somebody getting paid for each use of the word 'bootstrap' in this thread? Or is it just group think?

Drink!


Now you're talking!
 
2012-08-28 08:06:53 PM  
He's complaining we didn't give him enough? Damn entitlement mentality.
 
2012-08-28 10:51:33 PM  

andhravodu: Lost Thought 00: It's not wasteful spending if it benefits Republicans.

Please don't be obtuse. The dude is asking for help to the state he governs. It's an entire state with people who have experienced tragedy not too far out. This isn't a my party vs. other party moment


It never is when it's something you want for yourself. When it's to help someone else the words "fark them" can't leave republican lips fast enough. Like those heifers at the convention a few threads up... somehow they deserve government assistance in raising their kids (food stamps, welfare, govt backed student loans and grants for college etc) but no one else does, especially if they vote democrat or are non-white.
There's no denying that there are people in Louisiana that will need the help... but I wish there were a way to separate them from the troglodytes who think that government, especially the federal government, is whatever evil bastard antichrist FoxNews tells them it is. I have no issue helping them, but the assholes who b*tch and moan about the government all the time shouldn't get one goddamn dime.
 
2012-08-28 11:04:45 PM  
Ermahgerd!

www.eoearth.org

SERND BERMS!
 
2012-08-28 11:17:08 PM  

steamingpile:

Building up a business is something they have nothing to do with and is the result of sweat and hard work.


And roads, and bridges, and public schools, and teachers, and courts of law, with judges and DAs to handle cases of contract law, and firemen and policemen, and streetlights, and road repair crews, and sewer lines, and an electric grid... etc.

Yeah, government has absolutely nothing to do with business. Nosiree.

Except provide a nice stable framework where you can start one and keep it going. 

/government is to rebar as business is to concrete
 
2012-08-28 11:43:56 PM  
 
2012-08-29 04:09:43 AM  

Mrbogey:
That's kinda the best example of how this disease works. Everything that someone criticizes Obama about isn't doing it for the obvious reason. It's because he's a Democrat... and he's black.

They have anti-psychotics that are quite effective, you know.


I'll pick up the tab for your first month's script, mmmkay.
 
2012-08-29 04:14:07 AM  

Mrbogey: RyogaM: What? I claimed others said it was not political? Where?

Now you're just purposefully being obtuse and trying to divert the issue.

Your claim is that Jindal is making this a political issue even though he didn't. That the posters here making it political aren't the ones starting it.

Because Republicans make you do things.


You make me *facepalm* with every one of your asinine posts. So. There's that.
 
2012-08-29 08:51:24 AM  

MikeMc: BeesNuts: No. Help your constituency, even if it makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Better a hypocrite than a murderer.

He's asking for federal money to reimburse the state for any money it spends. That's not the same thing as "OMGWTFBBQ people are dying we need help!!!!111!"


Flip it over to what he'd have to do to not be a hypocrite.

Obama offers funds. Jindal says, no thanks we got this. And 15 thousand people drown or some shiat.

The Point is very farking simple people:
The way he is asking is clearly political. This makes Bobby Jindal an asshat. That he is asking despite having previously been an asshat is not what makes him an asshat.

If I ran around screaming I hate gay people, and then donated heavily to GLAAD and really enjoyed myself at a dance party or two, I'd be a hypocrite (OMG!).

Which of the two contradictory positions that I'm holding are you gonna hate on me for? Donating to GLAAD, or hating gay people?

I'll hate on Jindal for his political grandstanding, using a natural disaster as an excuse to campaign, farking up damn near everything he chooses to manage himself, and generally being a shiatheel about things. I'll hate on him specifically for asking for a blank check, I guess, if that makes people feel better, but I think I covered that by saying he's obviously being a farkwad about this for partisan reasons.

But I won't hate on him for pushing for disaster relief funds when a hurricane's bearing down on his city. Which happens to be below sea level. Why? First of all, because I think that's the wrong thing to focus on, and secondly because that's what he's counting on and I don't like playing into people's games. I can hear that fart now in his post-Isaac PC talking about how he succeeded in keeping his constituency safe or whatever. Then I can hear Hannity yacking about all the democrats who wanted Obama to deny him funds because of his politics and ideology.

Don't play their game. It sucks.
 
2012-08-29 12:31:22 PM  

BeesNuts: MikeMc: BeesNuts: No. Help your constituency, even if it makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Better a hypocrite than a murderer.

He's asking for federal money to reimburse the state for any money it spends. That's not the same thing as "OMGWTFBBQ people are dying we need help!!!!111!"

Flip it over to what he'd have to do to not be a hypocrite.

Obama offers funds. Jindal says, no thanks we got this. And 15 thousand people drown or some shiat.


But that's not what's happening at all. Obama offered manpower and supplies. Jindal says, "No thanks, we got this... but you better pay us back every penny we spend, or else we'll hit the press and cry about how you're politicizing this."
 
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