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(CBS Minnesota)   "People - for hundreds, thousands of years - enjoyed good beer. And for about 25-30 years, they've been exposed to bad beer and all of a sudden, a whole new generation are being exposed to good beer again"   (minnesota.cbslocal.com) divider line 189
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2012-08-27 09:17:19 PM  
Hold on there, subby. Nobody said that beer before the discovery of yeast was any good. All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.

There is beer right now that has no equal in the history of mankind. And it keeps getting better. We are living in a beer renaissance. Enjoy it.
 
2012-08-27 09:39:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln: . All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.


FALSE.

You can make some really good stuff with a natural fermentation. You just have to let go of what you think you like and expose yourself to the flavor. Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.
 
2012-08-27 09:49:47 PM  
Don't know where the idiot in the article grew up, but where I came from I had both good and bad beer available.

I just had the common sense not to buy the bad beer. Unless I was broke.
 
2012-08-27 10:00:27 PM  

doglover: Lando Lincoln: . All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.

FALSE.

You can make some really good stuff with a natural fermentation. You just have to let go of what you think you like and expose yourself to the flavor. Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.


You should try some of my homebrew that has had a wild yeast infection and tastes like a wet goat.
 
2012-08-27 10:07:51 PM  
Currently having one of these so I am getting a kick out of life, this thread on the other hand is likely to soon fill up with pedantic beer snobs so I shall remove myself forthwith.
www.theperfectlyhappyman.com
 
2012-08-27 10:09:46 PM  

violentsalvation: doglover: Lando Lincoln: . All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.

FALSE.

You can make some really good stuff with a natural fermentation. You just have to let go of what you think you like and expose yourself to the flavor. Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.

You should try some of my homebrew that has had a wild yeast infection and tastes like a wet goat.


If you give it a crappy artsy label and call it 'goat crotch,' you can sell your entire batch and get out of town before anyone gets well enough to talk to the police.
 
2012-08-27 10:16:08 PM  

Cake Hunter: violentsalvation: doglover: Lando Lincoln: . All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.

FALSE.

You can make some really good stuff with a natural fermentation. You just have to let go of what you think you like and expose yourself to the flavor. Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.

You should try some of my homebrew that has had a wild yeast infection and tastes like a wet goat.

If you give it a crappy artsy label and call it 'goat crotch,' you can sell your entire batch and get out of town before anyone gets well enough to talk to the police.


Ha!
 
2012-08-27 10:21:07 PM  

violentsalvation: You should try some of my homebrew that has had a wild yeast infection and tastes like a wet goat.


Do you like natto? Shiokara? Head cheese?

Some things aren't good the first few times. But once you get to know them...
 
2012-08-27 10:23:21 PM  
I like Oberon.
 
2012-08-27 10:24:04 PM  

doglover: Lando Lincoln: . All the recipes found for beer before that time produces some really crappy undrinkable beer.

FALSE.

You can make some really good stuff with a natural fermentation. You just have to let go of what you think you like and expose yourself to the flavor. Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.


That still doesn't mean it was good beer.
 
2012-08-27 10:24:16 PM  
You can keep the beer, but why is the rum gone?
 
2012-08-27 10:25:27 PM  

Indubitably: I like Oberon.


You some kind of fairy?
 
2012-08-27 10:26:10 PM  
Here's to good friends. Tonight is kind of special. The beer we pour must be something more, somehow.
So tonight....
Tonight....
 
2012-08-27 10:26:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: We are living in a beer renaissance. Enjoy it.


Cheers!
 
2012-08-27 10:26:54 PM  
Was at the fair yesterday - Minnesota makes a much better beer than wine - which took up this space the last few years.

/of course the wine area has moved across the street - Minnesota wine still sucks
 
2012-08-27 10:28:03 PM  
25-30 years, try since 1930's prohibition. But of course, NOTHING has happened after 1980.

The author needs my 7.5 gallon chemical carboy shoved up his ass!

Your next Subby!

It became legal to home brew again in 1978ish. So better beer happening for about 25-30 years now.
 
2012-08-27 10:28:03 PM  
Only 25-30 years? Buttwiper, Coors and PBR have been around for a lot longer than that
 
2012-08-27 10:28:36 PM  
It's a conspiracy to keep people drunk and complacent.

See also: Legalization of MMJ, and the meth epidemic.

You'd have to be a fool to not see it.
 
2012-08-27 10:29:41 PM  
What I like is good. What you like is bad.
 
2012-08-27 10:31:43 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Indubitably: I like Oberon.

You some kind of fairy?


Shakespearien, perhaps?

;)
 
2012-08-27 10:32:06 PM  
Que?
www.camy.org
 
2012-08-27 10:32:41 PM  

grinding_journalist: It's a conspiracy to keep people drunk and complacent.

See also: Legalization of MMJ, and the meth epidemic.

You'd have to be a fool to not see it.


Is this so that the Zeta Greys can harvest our organs more easily for their underground vats of nutritious human organ-juice that they need to increase their clone army in order to take over the world and enslave us all before their reptilian masters arrive from the Planet Hoobajoob?
 
2012-08-27 10:33:02 PM  
Or, you could live in Colorado like me and be up to your eyeballs in good craft beers...
 
2012-08-27 10:33:07 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Only 25-30 years? Buttwiper, Coors and PBR have been around for a lot longer than that


mmmm, buttwiper!
 
2012-08-27 10:34:23 PM  
This is true in North America, but I think Europe has always had some decent beers around.
 
2012-08-27 10:34:51 PM  
I don't like alcohol regardless. I somehow doubt that's just because I've been exposed to only "bad" beer.
 
2012-08-27 10:35:09 PM  

Hector Remarkable: grinding_journalist: It's a conspiracy to keep people drunk and complacent.

See also: Legalization of MMJ, and the meth epidemic.

You'd have to be a fool to not see it.

Is this so that the Zeta Greys can harvest our organs more easily for their underground vats of nutritious human organ-juice that they need to increase their clone army in order to take over the world and enslave us all before their reptilian masters arrive from the Planet Hoobajoob?


Yes?
 
2012-08-27 10:40:12 PM  
They all taste the same after a half case.
 
2012-08-27 10:40:42 PM  

whatshisname: This is true in North America, but I think Europe has always had some decent beers around.


Well yeah, that is where brewing history kind of comes from.
 
2012-08-27 10:41:30 PM  
Beer wasn't "good" for hundreds or thousands of years.
 
2012-08-27 10:42:16 PM  

whatshisname: This is true in North America, but I think Europe has always had some decent beers around.


Although the "local standard" beer is probably better than American light lager, I think Europeans have a lot of the same issues. People get so caught up with their local beer that they don't really try anything else.
Up until somewhat recently (on the scale of a hundred years or so), it was fairly hard to brew outside of what your local water allowed. Even today it can be quite hard to fight your water chemistry on a large scale.
 
2012-08-27 10:43:43 PM  
Anyone recommend a good whiskey/bourbon/etc that goes well with cola or pibb/pepper and doesn't cost a fortune?
 
2012-08-27 10:45:44 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Anyone recommend a good whiskey/bourbon/etc that goes well with cola or pibb/pepper and doesn't cost a fortune?


12 year Elijah Craig
 
2012-08-27 10:46:17 PM  
Yeah, I get it. Beer has become like coffee. Over priced, over produced, and really not that much better.

Maybe Miller, Bud and PBR were the result of having to consume sh*tty beer, and finally getting a drinkable product?

/I used to home-brew.
//I gave it up after gagging on an IPA with way too much hops that the brewer said "brings out the flavor of the hops. It was undrinkable.
///Still love a good stout or porter, but like mild lagers more. You can't brew anything like them.
 
2012-08-27 10:47:10 PM  
Good beer gets me drunk.

Bad beer is that which I don't have in my fridge.

Bad beer, bad.
 
2012-08-27 10:47:37 PM  

puffy999: Beer wasn't "good" for hundreds or thousands of years.


Wow. Go outside of America where they've been brewing beer the same way for hundreds of years and try their brews. You'll be surprised.
 
2012-08-27 10:48:55 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Anyone recommend a good whiskey/bourbon/etc that goes well with cola or pibb/pepper and doesn't cost a fortune?


McNaughtons. Cheap, easily covered up by the cola. It's old man's whiskey though so be prepared for old men to want to come over and tell you outrageous lies and teach you what it means to be an old school man.

Before too long you'll be drinking and shooting nazis in the face. Because goddammit that's what men do. We shoot nazis and drink whiskey.
 
2012-08-27 10:49:03 PM  

randomjsa: I don't like alcohol regardless. I somehow doubt that's just because I've been exposed to only "bad" beer.


Its probably because you're a party pooper....
 
2012-08-27 10:50:25 PM  

desertfool: Yeah, I get it. Beer has become like coffee. Over priced, over produced, and really not that much better.


You obviously do not get it if you think that the light pilsner swill that Bud/Miller/Coors has been pushing on us for decades is "not that much worse" than a good craft brew.
 
2012-08-27 10:50:36 PM  
But would we have been better off discovering tea and coffee first?

Imagine ancient Egypt or Greece powered by coffee.
 
2012-08-27 10:51:28 PM  

desertfool:

Maybe Miller, Bud and PBR were the result of having to consume sh*tty beer,
.


M/B/PBR was a reult of a bunch of guys going "hey, what is the least costly, fastest to produce, beer product that we can sell to the widest range of people? We dont make beer here. We make money"
 
2012-08-27 10:51:42 PM  

doglover: Also, living in a place that has a good natural yeast is a must.


This probably explains some land wars.

"Why do you want their land so badly?"
"The, uh... the view?"
 
2012-08-27 10:53:10 PM  
Whaatt?


beerwinecoffeetea.com

beveragetitans.com


The shiatty beer is still around. It didn't go anywhere. Now they just mix it with shiattier stuff and call it new.
 
2012-08-27 10:53:26 PM  
Now you've got me all thirsty.

Link
 
2012-08-27 10:53:38 PM  
Bell's Brewery sucks. There, I said it.
 
2012-08-27 10:53:51 PM  
Most beers were made just to keep you from *dying* from the polluted water, FFS... the *purpose* wasn't even "to be tasty". Sure... SOME beer was crafted for enjoyment (and is still made today) but the average beer wasn't a delicious bottle of Hacker-Pschorr.
 
2012-08-27 10:53:52 PM  

lordargent: You can keep the beer, but why is the rum gone?


Kraken. Know it, love it.

/yes, I know it's mass market
//it's good
 
2012-08-27 10:54:35 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Anyone recommend a good whiskey/bourbon/etc that goes well with cola or pibb/pepper and doesn't cost a fortune?


Evan Williams.
 
2012-08-27 10:54:53 PM  
I'm loving the craft brewing trend of recent years. 5+ years ago, I would only drink crappy domestic stuff. I liked it just fine, but then when my friends finally got me to start drinking craft brews, I could never go back to that stuff. I still stick to wits and hefs and can't stand porters or ipa's, hit or miss on everything else.
 
2012-08-27 10:55:06 PM  

violentsalvation:
You should try some of my homebrew that has had a wild yeast infection and tastes like a wet goat.


You could market it to fans of Douglas Adams and call it Froody Goaty Beer.

/also fans of Joss Whedon
/i bet there's a lot of crossover
 
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