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(ABC)   U.S. restaurants to tourists: "Here is your bill. We added an 18% gratuity for openly speaking a foreign language in our restaurant. Welcome to America"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 366
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2012-08-27 06:05:42 PM
I find it funny that the lady complained about a 18% tip added on, and instead tipped 15%

Are you that cheap that 3% is a big deal?
 
2012-08-27 06:23:31 PM
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"I f***ing HATE foreigners!"
 
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2012-08-27 06:34:10 PM
"They explained to us that they get pretty bad tips from people from Quebec and Europe, and that they had a policy to add gratuity to get what they needed,"


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2012-08-27 06:34:44 PM

overlord_mike: I find it funny that the lady complained about a 18% tip added on, and instead tipped 15%

Are you that cheap that 3% is a big deal?


I normally tip pretty well, but I would also leave a smaller one in that case as well.
 
2012-08-27 06:54:33 PM
Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?
 
2012-08-27 06:55:50 PM

overlord_mike: I find it funny that the lady complained about a 18% tip added on, and instead tipped 15%

Are you that cheap that 3% is a big deal?


We've got a delivery place that does mandatory gratuity. I always do the minimum 15%. If they left it up to me I would definitely tip more than that, but since they decided to make it mandatory, that will be the mandatory amount that I give.

It's one of those "force me to do something and you will get the bare minimum" situations.
 
2012-08-27 07:06:55 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips?


Less money spent on wages.

Ambivalence: What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


Employers will not willingly move to a system that makes them less money without some other benefit. No, "slight employee happiness" is not a benefit.
 
2012-08-27 07:54:16 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


Tipping is a sign of class reinforcement. In some parts of the world it is insulting to be given a tip.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:51 PM
TIPPING THREAD
 
2012-08-27 09:27:59 PM

RoyBatty: TIPPING THREAD


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2012-08-27 09:30:22 PM
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Pourquoi suis-je Mr. Pink?
 
2012-08-27 09:31:00 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


Some states already do that. Oregon waitstaff get $8.80 hour (Oregon minimum wage) and all tips are on top of that. IIRC, California and Washington are similar.
 
2012-08-27 09:40:00 PM
I never realized that there were so many black people in Canada.
 
2012-08-27 09:40:43 PM
Canadians are very cheap. I blame the English influence.

/Canadian, often embarrassed by friends' skinflintiness.
 
2012-08-27 09:41:26 PM
What's more, many cafes and restaurants in Europe and Canada automatically include a gratuity in the bill, and many tourists expect it to be similar in the States.

I say this about tourists everywhere: RTF travel books, don't expect wherever you go to be exactly like home.

/in the US I tip 15-20%
//here in Australia people often tip 0% because the minimum wage is $15.51 per hour
///can you imagine the shiatstorm if a restaurant added a gratuity for Jewish diners (you know, the cheap stereotype)?
 
2012-08-27 09:48:24 PM

Rusty Shackleford: Canadians are very cheap. I blame the English influence.

/Canadian, often embarrassed by friends' skinflintiness.


My wife is Canadian. As a former waiter/bartender, I had to educate her and her parents on the fact that servers make $2.13/hour in Virginia, where we were living at the time. They were appalled, but thereafter they handed me the bill to calculate the tip, even if they were picking up the tab.
 
2012-08-27 09:52:05 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?

Some states already do that. Oregon waitstaff get $8.80 hour (Oregon minimum wage) and all tips are on top of that. IIRC, California and Washington are similar.


Yeah, but we live in them socialist blue states

/it does kind of bother me that they would automatically add a tip like that, though
//it's wrong
 
2012-08-27 09:53:21 PM
Here we go, another "I'm entitled to a tip no matter what" thread.
 
2012-08-27 10:30:40 PM
here we go, another "i'm too good for social norms and customs"
 
2012-08-27 10:31:15 PM
...thread
 
2012-08-27 10:32:05 PM
In restaurant lingo "Canadians" is often used as a reference for black customers.
 
2012-08-27 10:33:52 PM
When did 18% become the norm? I thought it was 15%. I do over 20% for good service, but always at least 15% (unless they really piss me off which has only happened twice in my life). 18% sucks to calculate.
 
2012-08-27 10:36:15 PM

Paris1127: What's more, many cafes and restaurants in Europe and Canada automatically include a gratuity in the bill, and many tourists expect it to be similar in the States.

I say this about tourists everywhere: RTF travel books, don't expect wherever you go to be exactly like home.

/in the US I tip 15-20%
//here in Australia people often tip 0% because the minimum wage is $15.51 per hour
///can you imagine the shiatstorm if a restaurant added a gratuity for Jewish diners (you know, the cheap stereotype)?


Sometimes I wonder how many people know that USA waitstaff tend to work for sub-human wages, unlike waitstaff around most of the rest of the civilized world.
 
2012-08-27 10:39:39 PM
French Canadians are f*cking cheap. In English Canada, 15% is pretty standard.
 
2012-08-27 10:39:45 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?

Some states already do that. Oregon waitstaff get $8.80 hour (Oregon minimum wage) and all tips are on top of that. IIRC, California and Washington are similar.

Yeah, but we live in them socialist blue states

/it does kind of bother me that they would automatically add a tip like that, though
//it's wrong


I agree. IMHO, it's a form of discrimination.
 
2012-08-27 10:47:25 PM

Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?

Some states already do that. Oregon waitstaff get $8.80 hour (Oregon minimum wage) and all tips are on top of that. IIRC, California and Washington are similar.

Yeah, but we live in them socialist blue states

/it does kind of bother me that they would automatically add a tip like that, though
//it's wrong

I agree. IMHO, it's a form of discrimination.


I'd cut them a check for the sub-total and tell them to fark the hell off.
 
2012-08-27 11:08:47 PM

kingoomieiii: Employers will not willingly move to a system that makes them less money without some other benefit. No, "slight employee happiness" is not a benefit.


Too many service industry business owners are idiots, and would not exchange short-term profits for anything, even long-term profit, increased stability, lower employment turnover, and so forth.
 
2012-08-27 11:09:23 PM
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2012-08-27 11:09:44 PM

doglover: Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?

Some states already do that. Oregon waitstaff get $8.80 hour (Oregon minimum wage) and all tips are on top of that. IIRC, California and Washington are similar.

Yeah, but we live in them socialist blue states

/it does kind of bother me that they would automatically add a tip like that, though
//it's wrong

I agree. IMHO, it's a form of discrimination.

I'd cut them a check for the sub-total and tell them to fark the hell off.


Agreed. It's the absolute definition of discrimination and I'd love to see the whole "mandatory gratuity" thing in court. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to just say, "Oh, in this arbitrary case, we tack on another fifth of the price."

That said, if the French Canadians aren't tipping, they ARE still dicks.
 
2012-08-27 11:12:41 PM

NFA: "They explained to us that they get pretty bad tips from people from Quebec and Europe, and that they had a policy to add gratuity to get what they needed,"


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WTF, I'm from Quebec and tip 15% for adequate service. 20% for good and more for great...what a BS stereotype.
 
2012-08-27 11:13:13 PM
Here we go, another "I'm a waiter and I am entitled to a bonus that no other low-wage earners receive, even those in my industry (cooks, washers, etc)" thread.

/is that what we do now?
//oh, shiat, I capitalized "here"
 
2012-08-27 11:14:47 PM

Rusty Shackleford: Canadians are very cheap. I blame the English influence.

/Canadian, often embarrassed by friends' skinflintiness.


From what I've seen, not the Newfies. They're usually drunk, talking the ear off the staff, and over-tipping. Really drunk.
 
2012-08-27 11:15:58 PM
Repost of a 4 day-old Consumerist article. A FOUR DAY OLD CONSUMERIST ARTICLE. Really? Got scooped by them?

Way to go ABC, and very late Farker. 

Oh, another tipping thread. I forgot my popcorn, and am walking away. Learn to tip, read travel books, you know, the whole "When in Rome..." thing.
 
2012-08-27 11:17:33 PM

CommieTaoist: In restaurant lingo "Canadians" is often used as a reference for black customers.


It's Vermont, we really mean Canadians. We only have half a dozen blacks in the whole place!
 
2012-08-27 11:17:44 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


because then the wait staff cant hide cash tips from the IRS. Like all of them do.
 
2012-08-27 11:18:15 PM

Patterson: NFA: "They explained to us that they get pretty bad tips from people from Quebec and Europe, and that they had a policy to add gratuity to get what they needed,"


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WTF, I'm from Quebec and tip 15% for adequate service. 20% for good and more for great...what a BS stereotype.


Maybe you guys just suck at math.
 
2012-08-27 11:18:54 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


Why do we have people that think they can support a family on a waitstaff pay?
 
2012-08-27 11:19:01 PM
i'm am american living in Quebec and tipping 15% is pretty common here. Staff also makes like 9.50$ or so minimum wage.
That being said...the anglos are generally better tippers on the whole
 
2012-08-27 11:20:23 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


Because they make more money that way most of the time, on Europe they don't tip usually but don't bother asking since if they know you're American they will let you tip them on top of their wages. I didn't mind tipping like we do over here, just be honest, the one guy who told us the truth got a 40% tip and then he even chased us down because he thought we made a mistake, I just told him it wasn't a mistake he was just the only honest waiter we had in 3 days. He still didn't want to take it so we just left so he had to accept, we went back on our way out and he bought our beers.

You can't put a price on honesty in my book.
 
2012-08-27 11:20:27 PM

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong wtih giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


More importantly, why is 2.13/hour no longer a livable wage?
 
2012-08-27 11:20:38 PM

puffy999: Here we go, another "I'm a waiter and I am entitled to a bonus that no other low-wage earners receive, even those in my industry (cooks, washers, etc)" thread.


Well, cooks, washers and such are legally entitled to a normal minimum wage.

Servers aren't. They get a tiny fraction of minimum wage. They are essentially working for tips.

Legally, technically the restaurant is supposed to give them at least minimum wage if they don't make that off tips plus wages, but in practice that NEVER happens, the restaurant will just say that the server got cash tips and didn't report them.

It's a hideously defective system, to be sure, but on the list of things about this country that need to be changed, it's way down on the list.
 
2012-08-27 11:20:43 PM
Don't eat yellow snow.
 
2012-08-27 11:21:44 PM
"Mandatory gratuity" IS illegal, they have to label it something else or you can refuse it.

Tip splitting between the wait staff and the rear service staff is also illegal. If I wanna give the 4 months pregnant waitress an extra $20 for baby toys I don't want ten of it to go to chuck the pot-head who admittedly does nice salads.
 
2012-08-27 11:21:58 PM
What's the protocol for tipping hairdressers?
 
2012-08-27 11:22:02 PM
This article made me angry, as a Canadian and as an opposer to tipping waitstaff.

Ambivalence: Why do we have a system were waitstaff are DEPENDANT on tips? What's wrong with giving them a decent, base wage and having tips be a bonus instead of the bulk of their income?


That just about sums up my feelings on it. I will always tip the standard 15-20% because I freaking have to, but I don't understand giving a tip to someone who writes down what I want and then brings it to my table. I'd rather tip the people who prepared my food. The reason I go to a restaurant to eat is because I can't prepare the food I order in the same way. But I'm pretty sure I could go up to the chef and tell him what I wanted and retrieve my plate myself.
 
2012-08-27 11:22:39 PM
Ooo... a tipping thread!
 
2012-08-27 11:22:58 PM

overlord_mike: I find it funny that the lady complained about a 18% tip added on, and instead tipped 15%

Are you that cheap that 3% is a big deal?


You do know what a "gratuity" is, don't you? If they add it to the bill it's no longer a tip. It's not the 3%. It's the restaurant being a bunch of dickheads.
 
2012-08-27 11:23:09 PM

Shostie: I never realized that there were so many black people in Canada.


This.
 
2012-08-27 11:24:30 PM
Is it mandatory or suggested? Anytime I have seen a party of 5 more 18% line it says suggested. I don't know about Canada but in parts of Europe gratuity is included in the meal. So if Europeans are traveling here and they are ignorant about US customs then hey might assume it is here too.

/In Europe...Tipped a waitress at a small cafe about 20%. She 'corrected' me about the custom thinking I was an ignorant American. I ran her my explanation, of good service but also builds relationship and then she'd take car of me in the future. She caught on quick and from there on in she had my drink in hand when I first sat down or on here first stop at the table. Those were a great few months.
 
2012-08-27 11:24:54 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: French Canadians are f*cking cheap. In English Canada, 15% is pretty standard.


This.
Also wanted to say, here in AB it's easy to figure 15% since the tax is 5% and is always a separate item on the bill so just tax x3 for 15% which is my base tip amt and I will go less or more dependent on service quality.
 
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