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2012-08-27 05:56:43 PM
12 votes:
What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.
2012-08-27 06:08:03 PM
6 votes:

FloydA: The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do


No wonder you don't see teenagers smoking cigarettes.
2012-08-27 07:46:32 PM
5 votes:
I don't know seriously if weed made me less intelligent. How could I? Maybe this is as smart as I was going to get, which sucks. I'm right in that zone where I'm not some ultra-genius who can think through any problem, but I am also "blessed" with enough self-awareness and self-analytical thinking that I second-guess myself, and don't seem to breeze through life like some of the less intelligent people I know.

I think it is possible weed dampened my enthusiasm for things and impaired my social abilities. Then again, I might have turned out to be somewhat shy and introverted anyway. IQ tests are pseudo-science anyway, IMO.
2012-08-27 06:41:52 PM
4 votes:
Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.
2012-08-27 09:17:17 PM
3 votes:
I'm totally pro-legalization, but the responses from stoners to these studies is always hilarious. "Hey man, that's like, so not true. Pot cures my fibromyalgia and increases my brain function, dude."

Just be honest pot-heads, being high feels awesome. That's all the justification you need. Stop trying to rationalize that it's just miracle drug, it makes you look like a kinda dumb burn-out.
2012-08-27 08:39:48 PM
3 votes:
I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)
2012-08-27 06:57:48 PM
3 votes:
Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.
2012-08-27 08:44:54 PM
2 votes:

Point02GPA: Well. that helps explain President Obama.


the guy who graduated summa from Harvard Law? Ya, that devil weed sure did a number on him
2012-08-27 08:02:51 PM
2 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?

Especially for actual adults?


FTA: "Study subjects who didn't take up pot until they were adults with fully-formed brains did not show similar mental declines."

Another article mentioned that study subjects who started smoking pot during college and later quit had their mental faculties return to nearly their previous levels after a year.

Recent research suggests that the brain is not fully developed until the mid-20s.

If you want to trade a few IQ points and other mental faculties for relief of migraines and other maladies, go ahead. I understand perfectly.

But don't deny that a developing brain is more vulnerable to chemical damage than a mature, stable one. You'll end up sounding like creationists.
2012-08-27 06:04:23 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
2012-08-28 04:44:44 PM
1 votes:

Umfufu: Ummm...does anyone think the corner dealers are going to go away if pot is legalized? Really?

Really?


Yes, Really!

The corner dealers would be out of business overnight if pot were legalized. OVERNIGHT.

I explained why above. http://www.fark.com/comments/7291635/78991353#c78991353

TL:DR, Big Tobacco could probably make a very good profit on FIVE CENT joints. (they sell Cigarettes for less) Mark it up with 4000% tax and this fresh, high quality, consistent, safe(er) joint would cost consumers $2.

Street corner dealers can't compete with that, neither can the medical dispensaries or the illicit growers who provide their stock. The illicit pot business would die overnight. The authorities wouldn't have to lift a finger, the market would do the job. 

How many speakeasies survived prohibition? Next to none. They either went legal (so were no longer a speak-easy) or they went under. Most of those currently in the weed business can't go legal. A few small growers would go legal and market their specialty products, legally, but most would go under. The street corner dealer would be out of the weed business, forever.
2012-08-28 02:22:33 PM
1 votes:
FACT: IQ tests not taken prior the ages of 13 tend to favor the test take 3-4 points, FACT: IQ tests taken after the afterthe age of 24 tend to dissfavor the test take 3-4 points.

Logical conclusion Cannabis thus has no real long term affect on IQ

Rational assumption: the people doing the research are competent.
Rational addendum: Thus the research people are aware of the previously mentioned age bias in IQ test.

Logical conclusion: The research people are purposefully using a know test bias to push an agenda and should be sent to the board for investigation and punishment.
2012-08-28 10:53:06 AM
1 votes:

Asa Phelps: namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?

It's also been established that depression makes you stupid.

Can't imagine why someone would become a habitual, dependent user of a numbing agent.


I agree, they aren't taking the top of the class and forcing them to smoke pot all day. They are talking 'stoners' that are smoking conically. At that point I don't know how much a drop in education can be attributed to pot use over simple atrophy.*
That said, there was a fraternity at an engineering college (similar to MIT) that was known as the pot heads, and they were one of the smarter groups of people. I'd like to see a study on that group of people, though again you don't have any control so it wouldn't be any more conclusive than the study from TFA.
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2012-08-28 10:36:39 AM
1 votes:
Oh and I forgot (what a surprise) but I sported a 155 IQ as a teenager, pre-pot. 157 and 158 after 8 years of regular use. So apparently this study started off with "How do we make pot look bad by making shiat up?" and went from there. IQ is apparently, in a sample size of one, not affected.
2012-08-27 11:36:16 PM
1 votes:

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


Def helped me get a good night of sleep. brain dont stop either..
2012-08-27 09:56:26 PM
1 votes:
I smoke pot daily (I have early stage Parkinson's) and I am able to work as a freelance software developer and juggle multiple projects while meeting my deadlines.

I hope the "Hippie Pot Smoking Loser" stereotype dies with the Boomers.
2012-08-27 09:15:34 PM
1 votes:
Personally, my long term memory is shot to bits. Others I know have had the same effect.
2012-08-27 09:12:42 PM
1 votes:
Decrease in IQ? Of course. It is the only explanation for why pot heads seem to think that legalization would increase tax revenue.

Even the Choom Gang knew that it affects IQ.
2012-08-27 09:11:50 PM
1 votes:
"Marijuana is not harmless, particularly for adolescents," and "Quitting pot did not appear to reverse the loss either", said lead researcher Madeline Meier. Anybody else notice she said nothing about correlation != causation? Agenda, have 1 she might.
2012-08-27 09:10:44 PM
1 votes:
So people lose a few IQ points in exchange for being able to cope with life's lemons and enjoying life's lemonade just that much more?

I'd say it's a fair trade. Besides, people should have the right to do whatever the fark they want.
jvl
2012-08-27 09:08:59 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: And you'll, like, marvel at the stars and shiat. STARS, man... we're all, like, MADE of them. hehehehe.... whoa.


When discussing Carl Sagan's use of marijuana, it is important to point out that you are not Carl Farking Sagan and should not attempt to draw conclusions from his use.
2012-08-27 09:02:25 PM
1 votes:

IronJelly: My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.


And you'd know this how?

An 8 point drop in IQ is not something an individual would often notice, but it's definitely something that would show up in large-scale tests. Heavy adolescent weed consumption probably didn't move you from average to retard. More likely, it just moved you from average to slightly less-average.

I get it, you like weed and are loathe to admit it has detrimental, permanent effects on your mental ability. Sucks, but sometimes the truth hurts. Weed isn't as harmful as alcohol, but it's not nearly as harmless as a stone sober existence.
2012-08-27 09:02:21 PM
1 votes:
Only eight points? I'm fine with that.
2012-08-27 08:56:27 PM
1 votes:
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Ready for school, dude.
2012-08-27 08:52:45 PM
1 votes:
Betcha it's still better in the long term than teenage binge drinking.
2012-08-27 08:48:31 PM
1 votes:

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


you are not alone. in fact, i am kind of glad that the guys that made 'road trip' made the weed smoking guy the way they did instead of some skanky wanna-be hippy type that never listens to anything besides marley's legend. it allows him to deal with all kinds of anxiety and other bs that a lot of people might try to drown out with prescription drugs.

/i could teach japanese to a monkey if i knew how to relate the material
2012-08-27 08:47:44 PM
1 votes:
I imagine any activity that you did obsessively at the expense of time spent challenging yourself academically would lead to an erosion of IQ scores. Especially a developing adolescent mind. You could have the same actual intelligence at 13 that you do at 21 and would score lower at 21 because of how the testing is done. Spending every day in a stupor during a period where your potential for gaining brain power is the greatest is just bad policy regardless. That said, only 8 points? Probably worth it.
2012-08-27 08:44:34 PM
1 votes:

mysticcat: Good thing my adolescent IQ was around 150.


If that's true you must have graduated to shooting black tar heroin into your eyeballs to explain a drop this dramatic.
2012-08-27 08:43:15 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.


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2012-08-27 08:40:10 PM
1 votes:
www.skeptic.com

And you'll, like, marvel at the stars and shiat. STARS, man... we're all, like, MADE of them. hehehehe.... whoa.
2012-08-27 08:33:48 PM
1 votes:
As does 98.7% of the shiat we ingest from our environment, including plastics, btw. Way to over-control the .0whatever%, jackhats.
2012-08-27 07:21:20 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: What kind of point are you trying to make? Of course some will get a hold of cigarettes (and booze), but I've never known a single dealer to turn away business based on age or lack of ID.


We got booze just about every weekend. And cases of beer (and during one phase, cases of 40's) are big and relatively heavy. Not super easy to sneak around. You could balance an equal supply of weed on your head.

My point? There are plenty of good arguments for legalizing marijuana; less access for teens ain't one of them.
2012-08-27 06:59:58 PM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: scottydoesntknow: It was a hell of a lot harder to get cigarettes in high school than it was to get pot (or any other illegal substance for that matter).

No wonder I never saw any of the kids in my high school smoking every single day.


What kind of point are you trying to make? Of course some will get a hold of cigarettes (and booze), but I've never known a single dealer to turn away business based on age or lack of ID.
2012-08-27 06:49:59 PM
1 votes:
So keep on popping that methylphenidate and anti-depressants, kids!
2012-08-27 06:44:00 PM
1 votes:
Good thing my adolescent IQ was around 150.
2012-08-27 05:05:15 PM
1 votes:
- The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?
 
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