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2012-08-27 08:48:37 PM  

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


Like Ed said, I would never smoke pot. But if I did, hypothetically, it would be because I'd found it to be an excellent cure for insomnia. Hypothetically.
 
2012-08-27 08:50:34 PM  
Disclaimer: I am a square from a suburb of Provo Utah. I have never partaken. I'm pretty sure i couldn't recognize the smell if it got blown in my face. But i don't see the point of the war on drugs. We've clearly lost, and we're making it worse.
 
2012-08-27 08:50:51 PM  

divgradcurl: IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.

you are not alone. in fact, i am kind of glad that the guys that made 'road trip' made the weed smoking guy the way they did instead of some skanky wanna-be hippy type that never listens to anything besides marley's legend. it allows him to deal with all kinds of anxiety and other bs that a lot of people might try to drown out with prescription drugs.

/i could teach japanese to a monkey if i knew how to relate the material


*symbol-symbol, symbol*
 
2012-08-27 08:51:44 PM  

Asa Phelps: Disclaimer: I am a square from a suburb of Provo Utah. I have never partaken. I'm pretty sure i couldn't recognize the smell if it got blown in my face. But i don't see the point of the war on drugs. We've clearly lost, and we're making it worse.


So...
 
2012-08-27 08:52:12 PM  

Indubitably: I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)



Alternative: Ecstasy.

/Or possibly cyanide
 
2012-08-27 08:52:45 PM  
Betcha it's still better in the long term than teenage binge drinking.
 
2012-08-27 08:54:24 PM  
This is why you don't start smoking everyday until your 30s.
 
2012-08-27 08:55:07 PM  
The study is effectively correct, but puts its conclusions in misleading terms.

Chronic daily use of cannabis will indeed cause detrimental effects over time. So will alcohol, tobacco, and just about any other substance.

On the other hand, casual intermittent sporadic use has never been shown to be harmful, therefore persons who wish to use this product recreationally should use it only at intermittent intervals to avoid the danger of adverse side effects. Chronic incessant daily use has been determined to cause adverse effects and should be avoided.
 
2012-08-27 08:55:21 PM  
I save all the ice pop plastics and put them on the dishwasher rack's pegs, and sanitize them.
When they are dry, I fill them with fresh picked fruit form the berry patch saturated in sugar and refreeze with a paper clip on the curled top. Each summer yields a better mix.
Add honey or real maple syrup for YMMV.
 
2012-08-27 08:56:27 PM  
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Ready for school, dude.
 
2012-08-27 08:58:52 PM  
Madeline Meier, a post-doctoral researcher at Duke University, which totally sucks.
 
2012-08-27 08:59:20 PM  
Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders,

Did they find that sheep were left dissatisfied and sexually unfulfilled?
 
2012-08-27 09:02:21 PM  
Only eight points? I'm fine with that.
 
2012-08-27 09:02:25 PM  

IronJelly: My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.


And you'd know this how?

An 8 point drop in IQ is not something an individual would often notice, but it's definitely something that would show up in large-scale tests. Heavy adolescent weed consumption probably didn't move you from average to retard. More likely, it just moved you from average to slightly less-average.

I get it, you like weed and are loathe to admit it has detrimental, permanent effects on your mental ability. Sucks, but sometimes the truth hurts. Weed isn't as harmful as alcohol, but it's not nearly as harmless as a stone sober existence.
 
2012-08-27 09:03:09 PM  

Amos Quito: Indubitably: I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)


Alternative: Ecstasy.

/Or possibly cyanide


Nope, AQ, unless detrimental effects such as paralyzation are addressed, I stand by my original prescript...i want love for all living, not death; live on.
 
2012-08-27 09:03:22 PM  

FloydA: What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.


Yeah, because underaged kids never drink or smoke or find ways to get alcohol and cigarettes. This will decrease drug use for sure.
 
2012-08-27 09:04:56 PM  

divgradcurl: IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.

you are not alone. in fact, i am kind of glad that the guys that made 'road trip' made the weed smoking guy the way they did instead of some skanky wanna-be hippy type that never listens to anything besides marley's legend. it allows him to deal with all kinds of anxiety and other bs that a lot of people might try to drown out with prescription drugs.

/i could teach japanese to a monkey if i knew how to relate the material


Started smoking pot at 14 quit at 19, started smoking again at 31 to alleviate back problems and anxiety issues. Never felt better, racking up a 4.0 every semester as I work on my Grad degree.

I still don't condone kids using drugs then again I don't condone standardized testing, but it still happens.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:36 PM  

MBooda: Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders,

Did they find that sheep were left dissatisfied and sexually unfulfilled?


Do you worry about the size of your penis?
 
2012-08-27 09:06:11 PM  

Indubitably: MBooda: Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders,

Did they find that sheep were left dissatisfied and sexually unfulfilled?

Do you worry about the size of your penis?


I don't.
 
2012-08-27 09:06:33 PM  
Damn, if I didn't smoke all that weed in high school I might have ended up smarter and decided not to go to med school. 

/marijuana's bad...mmmkay
 
2012-08-27 09:07:00 PM  

FloydA: What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.


Don't be talkin' all common sense n sh*t.
 
2012-08-27 09:07:12 PM  
img1.fark.net like when you're 14 and she sticks her hand right down inside your drawers.

/that's just like my opinion, maaaaan
//nice to see miss diminutive followin' me into threads before I get there
 
2012-08-27 09:07:54 PM  

medius: this shiat the kids smoke today is like a sticky green lobotomy


LOL I found my son's stash a few years back. Holy hell- a half dozen juicy squishy moist buds. They didn't have shiat like that back in the day.

I wish I had a csb but the hubby works for the FAA and I have professional licenses I want to keep. We didn't smoke it but I sent it to a good home where it would be loved and cared for.

If I would have smoked what was in that bag, they would have found me drooling in a corner a week later.
 
2012-08-27 09:08:00 PM  
pcdn.500px.net
Love the secondhand smoke.
 
jvl
2012-08-27 09:08:59 PM  

Oznog: And you'll, like, marvel at the stars and shiat. STARS, man... we're all, like, MADE of them. hehehehe.... whoa.


When discussing Carl Sagan's use of marijuana, it is important to point out that you are not Carl Farking Sagan and should not attempt to draw conclusions from his use.
 
2012-08-27 09:09:45 PM  
sample bias
 
2012-08-27 09:09:45 PM  

mekki: FloydA: What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.

Yeah, because underaged kids never drink or smoke or find ways to get alcohol and cigarettes. This will decrease drug use for sure.


Good thing that's not the case. Because if it were, it'd totally prove that it was easier for teens to get booze and cigs than it is for them to get weed.

/I'm not entirely sure which way the sarcasm is even going anymore
//to be more clear, my actual point is "it's easier for teens to get pot than booze" != "it's hard for teens to get booze".
 
2012-08-27 09:10:07 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: MBooda: Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders,

Did they find that sheep were left dissatisfied and sexually unfulfilled?

Do you worry about the size of your penis?

I don't.


What is the point of the penis?

To impart genetic materials to impregnate a female of your desired genetic pairing, no?

Oh, the sex part?

A good man can use his penis to make women stalk him.

This has happened to me more than once.

Twice, in fact.

It isn't pleasant, actually.

Penis.

;)
 
2012-08-27 09:10:25 PM  
So couldn't this just be a difference between the IQ tests for 13 year olds and 18 year olds?
 
2012-08-27 09:10:44 PM  
So people lose a few IQ points in exchange for being able to cope with life's lemons and enjoying life's lemonade just that much more?

I'd say it's a fair trade. Besides, people should have the right to do whatever the fark they want.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:03 PM  
This is like wow, like you know like life changing. Like dude OMG. Like should I have not done that?

Bullshait!
 
2012-08-27 09:11:50 PM  
"Marijuana is not harmless, particularly for adolescents," and "Quitting pot did not appear to reverse the loss either", said lead researcher Madeline Meier. Anybody else notice she said nothing about correlation != causation? Agenda, have 1 she might.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:58 PM  

Rasraf Mekerk: Damn, if I didn't smoke all that weed in high school I might have ended up smarter and decided not to go to med school. 

/marijuana's bad...mmmkay


That weed ruined your life.

/nurse- just as bad.
 
2012-08-27 09:12:39 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: FloydA: The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do

No wonder you don't see teenagers smoking cigarettes.


A lot of teens get their smokes from their parents.

Sometimes for Christmas.

Smoke up, Johnny!


/did I stutter?
 
2012-08-27 09:12:42 PM  
Decrease in IQ? Of course. It is the only explanation for why pot heads seem to think that legalization would increase tax revenue.

Even the Choom Gang knew that it affects IQ.
 
2012-08-27 09:12:47 PM  

jvl: Oznog: And you'll, like, marvel at the stars and shiat. STARS, man... we're all, like, MADE of them. hehehehe.... whoa.

When discussing Carl Sagan's use of marijuana, it is important to point out that you are not Carl Farking Sagan and should not attempt to draw conclusions from his use.


Dude, I had teh munchies so bad I smothered like this whole pile of star stuff with queso and hot sauce. That shiat was dank!
 
2012-08-27 09:13:48 PM  

Indubitably: What is the point of the penis?


does your penis come to a point? does it come to a head? when it comes to head, is the point to come?

the penis, pointing the way ahead

/come again?
 
2012-08-27 09:14:15 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.


The mysteries of the universe cannot be explained

tis a thing of beauty Ninja
 
2012-08-27 09:15:34 PM  
Personally, my long term memory is shot to bits. Others I know have had the same effect.
 
2012-08-27 09:16:01 PM  

medius: Indubitably: What is the point of the penis?

does your penis come to a point? does it come to a head? when it comes to head, is the point to come?

the penis, pointing the way ahead

/come again?


er/...
 
2012-08-27 09:16:12 PM  
I believe this. I noticed a mental change in myself, the way I process information, my memory, etc. after quitting. I was never a pothead, but I smoked at least once a week or more from 13-17ish. It was quite a struggle that first year after quitting. My short term memory was shot and I found it more difficult to concentrate and organize my thoughts. These are problems I still have and I really don't remember having the same problems prior to smoking. Of course it could have also been the acid, but that was only like 10 times (lol I know how devastating that crap can be). I wish I could take at least the last part back :/. I certainly wouldn't mind having a more coherent line of thinking with the ability to concentrate and organize my thoughts and absorb information more easily. I guess I'll never know if it was the weed or if I'm just stupid. I usually just say I'm dumb, but maybe weed can be my scapegoat and now I can be a victim! It's not my fault I smoked that weed and it made me stupid, I was just stupid to do that! Wait what?

/incoherent
 
2012-08-27 09:16:18 PM  

medius: Indubitably: What is the point of the penis?

does your penis come to a point? does it come to a head? when it comes to head, is the point to come?

the penis, pointing the way ahead

/come again?


Realize:Legalize.

End the prohibition.
 
2012-08-27 09:16:44 PM  

We're gonna need a lot more stupid people if we're ever gonna get to...

img855.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-27 09:17:17 PM  
I'm totally pro-legalization, but the responses from stoners to these studies is always hilarious. "Hey man, that's like, so not true. Pot cures my fibromyalgia and increases my brain function, dude."

Just be honest pot-heads, being high feels awesome. That's all the justification you need. Stop trying to rationalize that it's just miracle drug, it makes you look like a kinda dumb burn-out.
 
2012-08-27 09:18:00 PM  

spamdog: Personally, my long term memory is shot to bits. Others I know have had the same effect.


So is mine and I havent smoked in 25 years. You are just farking old- sorry.

God, I miss weed. I think I ended up in the same state without it- might as well have enjoyed life.
 
2012-08-27 09:18:39 PM  
Yeah, but what's the IQ hit from adolescent binge drinking?

Or binge drinking at any age, for that matter?

Can we have a comparison study of the effects of legal drugs in large quantities, compared to illegal drugs in similar quantities?

Can I be on that study, testing for the illicit side?
 
2012-08-27 09:21:06 PM  

FloydA: What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.


Ummm...does anyone think the corner dealers are going to go away if pot is legalized? Really?

Really?
 
2012-08-27 09:21:37 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: MBooda: Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders,


A good man can use his penis to make women stalk him.

This has happened to me more than once.

Twice, in fact.

It isn't pleasant, actually.

Penis.

;)


No more drugs for that man.
 
2012-08-27 09:22:02 PM  

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


You're not.

I get terrible insomnia/headaches and frequently have trouble in verbal conversations because I have a very, VERY active brain. Thoughts are complex and race a mile a minute and are usually very loud, making it nearly impossible to do things that normal people take for granted, like relaxing or meditating or committing to moments and experiences. It's like having a thousand voices shouting about a thousand different things in unison, and trying to pick one out of the din.

About the only thing that slows my thought processes down to a normal, human rate is cannabis (especially strong indicas). Without it, I can't pick a single thought or idea out of the rushing torrent. But with it, I can pick an idea or topic and stick with it. With it, I can calm my mind enough that I can actually enjoy life around me instead of constantly analyzing it. With it, I can have blissful, undisturbed sleep.

I really need to get my NM MMJ card soon. I'm getting exhausted again and the headaches are getting worse.
 
2012-08-27 09:22:09 PM  
I gotta laugh. Fark provides abundant proof of John Kenneth Galbraith's observation: when confronted with a choice between changing their minds or proving it isn't necessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof.

Enjoy your buzzes.
 
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