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2012-08-27 05:05:15 PM  
- The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?
 
2012-08-27 05:11:55 PM  

namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?


Especially for actual adults?
 
2012-08-27 05:19:24 PM  
Good thing I didn't start until I was 17.
 
2012-08-27 05:56:43 PM  
What's ironic is that these data will probably be used to try to support a "tough on drugs" stance, when in fact, the most effective way to reduce teenagers' access to pot would be to legalize it and treat it like alcohol or tobacco- no ID, no sale. The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do. Legalize it for sale to adults and the profit will drop out of the bottom, so the criminal gangs won't sell it anymore. Immediately, teenagers' access to pot would be dramatically diminished.
 
2012-08-27 06:04:23 PM  
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
 
2012-08-27 06:08:03 PM  

FloydA: The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do


No wonder you don't see teenagers smoking cigarettes.
 
2012-08-27 06:19:01 PM  
I agree with these findings, as I started smoking dope at 14 and quit when I was 21. There's no way I'm as smart now as I was when I was 13.
 
2012-08-27 06:37:50 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I agree with these findings, as I started smoking dope at 14 and quit when I was 21.


That's like, 20 years man.
 
2012-08-27 06:41:52 PM  
Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.
 
2012-08-27 06:44:00 PM  
Good thing my adolescent IQ was around 150.
 
2012-08-27 06:46:25 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: FloydA: The street corner pot dealers don't ask for ID, but shop clerks do

No wonder you don't see teenagers smoking cigarettes.


It was a hell of a lot harder to get cigarettes in high school than it was to get pot (or any other illegal substance for that matter).
 
2012-08-27 06:48:26 PM  
Adolescent's use of everything is shown to leave lasting stuff. EVERYTHING
 
2012-08-27 06:49:59 PM  
So keep on popping that methylphenidate and anti-depressants, kids!
 
2012-08-27 06:51:00 PM  
Dumb.
 
2012-08-27 06:52:29 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It was a hell of a lot harder to get cigarettes in high school than it was to get pot (or any other illegal substance for that matter).


No wonder I never saw any of the kids in my high school smoking every single day.
 
2012-08-27 06:57:48 PM  
Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.
 
2012-08-27 06:59:58 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: scottydoesntknow: It was a hell of a lot harder to get cigarettes in high school than it was to get pot (or any other illegal substance for that matter).

No wonder I never saw any of the kids in my high school smoking every single day.


What kind of point are you trying to make? Of course some will get a hold of cigarettes (and booze), but I've never known a single dealer to turn away business based on age or lack of ID.
 
2012-08-27 07:21:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: What kind of point are you trying to make? Of course some will get a hold of cigarettes (and booze), but I've never known a single dealer to turn away business based on age or lack of ID.


We got booze just about every weekend. And cases of beer (and during one phase, cases of 40's) are big and relatively heavy. Not super easy to sneak around. You could balance an equal supply of weed on your head.

My point? There are plenty of good arguments for legalizing marijuana; less access for teens ain't one of them.
 
2012-08-27 07:42:32 PM  
I remember reading that smoking pot reduced testosterone and sex drive.  So I spent my teen years smoking joints in between bouts of flogging my wang into a state of bloody callouses, praying to god that it would eventually actually work.
 
2012-08-27 07:46:32 PM  
I don't know seriously if weed made me less intelligent. How could I? Maybe this is as smart as I was going to get, which sucks. I'm right in that zone where I'm not some ultra-genius who can think through any problem, but I am also "blessed" with enough self-awareness and self-analytical thinking that I second-guess myself, and don't seem to breeze through life like some of the less intelligent people I know.

I think it is possible weed dampened my enthusiasm for things and impaired my social abilities. Then again, I might have turned out to be somewhat shy and introverted anyway. IQ tests are pseudo-science anyway, IMO.
 
2012-08-27 07:49:51 PM  

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


If I did smoke, which I would never admit to on a public forum, I would completely agree with you.

I'm just speaking hydroponically, of course.
 
2012-08-27 07:51:43 PM  
That's just like, your opinion, man.
 
2012-08-27 08:02:51 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?

Especially for actual adults?


FTA: "Study subjects who didn't take up pot until they were adults with fully-formed brains did not show similar mental declines."

Another article mentioned that study subjects who started smoking pot during college and later quit had their mental faculties return to nearly their previous levels after a year.

Recent research suggests that the brain is not fully developed until the mid-20s.

If you want to trade a few IQ points and other mental faculties for relief of migraines and other maladies, go ahead. I understand perfectly.

But don't deny that a developing brain is more vulnerable to chemical damage than a mature, stable one. You'll end up sounding like creationists.
 
2012-08-27 08:33:48 PM  
As does 98.7% of the shiat we ingest from our environment, including plastics, btw. Way to over-control the .0whatever%, jackhats.
 
2012-08-27 08:33:55 PM  
Sweet. If I had smoked pot regularly for the last quarter century, which I haven't done of course, I would have started at 23.

/ off to the gym in 23 minutes. Really!
 
2012-08-27 08:35:31 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.


I do love you, secretly. ;)
 
2012-08-27 08:35:46 PM  
The results appear online Aug. 27 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

I always giggle when I see the acronym for PNAS
 
2012-08-27 08:35:56 PM  
I LEARNED IT FROM YOU!
 
2012-08-27 08:36:27 PM  
Well. that helps explain President Obama.
 
2012-08-27 08:36:59 PM  
Weed makes me paranoid and hungry, so much so, I can't enjoy it.
 
2012-08-27 08:37:07 PM  
i84.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-27 08:39:10 PM  
every day all day for most of the past 22 years and I'm doing just okey-dokey, smokey
 
2012-08-27 08:39:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I want an ice pop


I hate when the banana flavor is the same color as the pineapple. Usually, the greens are harsh and somewhat fruity, and the reds are some passion punch bullshiat, but the yellows, man. Those yellows in the tropical assorted fruit flavors can be either banana or pineapple, which I save for daiquiri, and by daiquiri, I mean add rum or tequila and let them mellow yellow in the glass. Don't add ice, because the ice is in the freezy pop, man. Anyway, don't you hate it when the kids get into your stash of freezy pops?
 
2012-08-27 08:39:48 PM  
I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)
 
2012-08-27 08:40:00 PM  
LOL WUT?
 
2012-08-27 08:40:06 PM  

namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?


It's also been established that depression makes you stupid.

Can't imagine why someone would become a habitual, dependent user of a numbing agent.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:10 PM  
www.skeptic.com

And you'll, like, marvel at the stars and shiat. STARS, man... we're all, like, MADE of them. hehehehe.... whoa.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-27 08:40:53 PM  
this shiat the kids smoke today is like a sticky green lobotomy
 
2012-08-27 08:41:23 PM  

Indubitably: I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)


Do you think Mastercharge will buy this ad from me?
 
2012-08-27 08:42:07 PM  

namegoeshere: - The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared.


So we're talking about the heaviest, long-term users here. Anyone got a study about the effects of recreational use?


They can't do those, it's illegal.
 
2012-08-27 08:43:15 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Studies like this just piss me off, mainly because I'm looking in the freezer for some ice pops and the box is in there with a tear in its side from that time i went to grab it by the lip and it tore because the bag of frozen chicken legs was sort of on top of it even though I couldn't tell at first and so when i pulled the bag it tore and a couple of ice pops fell out on the floor and my dog got two of them and ran outside. She doesn't have a dog door but she tore the screen and my friend judy said I'd better fix it because, man, squirrels. Can you imagine how a squirrel would be in a house? Running around all frantic and hopping on stuff. I heard once that squirrels can make noise but I've never heard one do anything but scamper, and that's not really noise if you think about that's just their claws on tree bark. Squirrel claw. Squirrel Claw. Squirrelclaw. That would make an awesome name for a superhero or something, maybe not a superhero but like a super power, like the guy can make his hand take the shape of a squirrel's claw and scamper up a building. Like spiderman, but not a spider, you know? Man, I want an ice pop.


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2012-08-27 08:44:23 PM  
profile.ak.fbcdn.net

// linked... totally linked!
 
2012-08-27 08:44:29 PM  

Indubitably: I just had a brilliant idea.

Just brilliant.

All religios/lawbies must imbibe LSD/psilocybin immediately.

Politics in twenty four hours: priceless.

;)


indeed it will be the gnarliest!
 
2012-08-27 08:44:34 PM  

mysticcat: Good thing my adolescent IQ was around 150.


If that's true you must have graduated to shooting black tar heroin into your eyeballs to explain a drop this dramatic.
 
2012-08-27 08:44:54 PM  

Point02GPA: Well. that helps explain President Obama.


the guy who graduated summa from Harvard Law? Ya, that devil weed sure did a number on him
 
2012-08-27 08:46:36 PM  
See? I could have been a genius, but instead, I'm just a...SubGenius.
 
2012-08-27 08:47:35 PM  
In addition to making them, their clothes, their rooms, etc. smell like dog shiat?? Sucks for them.
 
2012-08-27 08:47:44 PM  
I imagine any activity that you did obsessively at the expense of time spent challenging yourself academically would lead to an erosion of IQ scores. Especially a developing adolescent mind. You could have the same actual intelligence at 13 that you do at 21 and would score lower at 21 because of how the testing is done. Spending every day in a stupor during a period where your potential for gaining brain power is the greatest is just bad policy regardless. That said, only 8 points? Probably worth it.
 
2012-08-27 08:48:31 PM  

IronJelly: Seriously?

I use pot for this exact effect, and I have been since I discovered it at 14 years old. Smoking is the ONLY way I have found to get my brain to shut up. It cures my migraines faster than Excedrin, and it relaxes my mind enough that I can actually fall asleep or watch non intellectual TV (for example, I can't stand Family Guy unless I'm baked). My IQ might maybe be lower while I am under the influence, but it certainly doesn't stay that way.

I can't possibly be the only one to use it for this purpose. I thought for like 6 years after I started that this was what it's for.


you are not alone. in fact, i am kind of glad that the guys that made 'road trip' made the weed smoking guy the way they did instead of some skanky wanna-be hippy type that never listens to anything besides marley's legend. it allows him to deal with all kinds of anxiety and other bs that a lot of people might try to drown out with prescription drugs.

/i could teach japanese to a monkey if i knew how to relate the material
 
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