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(Salon)   Liberals twist reality to suit their beliefs far more than conservatives. This headline was submitted by a conservative   (salon.com) divider line 177
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2012-08-27 01:02:59 PM
Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?
 
2012-08-27 01:09:34 PM
Has it only been recently that Salon's website has become a clusterfark of unreadableness?
 
2012-08-27 01:16:46 PM

Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?


It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.
 
2012-08-27 01:22:47 PM
Okay.

Then conservatives must be inventing entirely new ones. Where women's bodies manufacture their own contraceptives; where everything Bush did was budgeted, paid for, and didn't contribute to our debt; where Paul Ryan didn't vote for all those defict-increasing Bush measures; where the GOP isn't trying to create and enforce an economic caste system; where Obama is foreign-born; where Fox News is fair and balanced; where communists and Muslim sleeper agents have infiltrated every level of govenment; where Michelle Bachmann isn't clinically insane; where "privatization" doesn't mean giving freebies to hand-picked cronies and private businesses without competive bidding; and where Sarah Palin knows more about world history than Will and Ariel Durant.
 
2012-08-27 01:26:44 PM

Diogenes: Okay.

Then conservatives must be inventing entirely new ones. Where women's bodies manufacture their own contraceptives; where everything Bush did was budgeted, paid for, and didn't contribute to our debt; where Paul Ryan didn't vote for all those defict-increasing Bush measures; where the GOP isn't trying to create and enforce an economic caste system; where Obama is foreign-born; where Fox News is fair and balanced; where communists and Muslim sleeper agents have infiltrated every level of govenment; where Michelle Bachmann isn't clinically insane; where "privatization" doesn't mean giving freebies to hand-picked cronies and private businesses without competive bidding; and where Sarah Palin knows more about world history than Will and Ariel Durant.


I want to marry this comment.

In Vegas.

In a dirty, dirty ceremony with a goat-boy and a lady with an eye patch and fresh stitches in her neck playing the harp.
 
2012-08-27 01:29:52 PM
A new scientific paper suggests political conservatives more likely than liberals to bend reality to their beliefs

You don't say?
 
2012-08-27 01:30:51 PM

Vodka Zombie: Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?

It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.


What kind of different ways could you define that?
For some reason your comment reminds me of the House episode where a fundie girl walks into the clinic, House tells her she's pregnant and has a yeast infection, and she says she can't be pregnant- the was using jelly. Then she holds up a can of Smucker's grape flavor.
 
2012-08-27 01:37:34 PM

Karac: It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.

What kind of different ways could you define that?
For some reason your comment reminds me of the House episode where a fundie girl walks into the clinic, House tells her she's pregnant and has a yeast infection, and she says she can't be pregnant- the was using jelly. Then she holds up a can of Smucker's grape flavor.


See you answered your own question. Smuckers grape jelly works to prevent pregnancy. Condoms do not.
 
2012-08-27 01:43:32 PM

Karac: Vodka Zombie: Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?

It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.

What kind of different ways could you define that?
For some reason your comment reminds me of the House episode where a fundie girl walks into the clinic, House tells her she's pregnant and has a yeast infection, and she says she can't be pregnant- the was using jelly. Then she holds up a can of Smucker's grape flavor.


I was just being silly and trying to sound like Mittens.

I think that House episode is the one where he says that if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
 
2012-08-27 01:49:17 PM

Diogenes: Okay.

Then conservatives must be inventing entirely new ones. Where women's bodies manufacture their own contraceptives; where everything Bush did was budgeted, paid for, and didn't contribute to our debt; where Paul Ryan didn't vote for all those defict-increasing Bush measures; where the GOP isn't trying to create and enforce an economic caste system; where Obama is foreign-born; where Fox News is fair and balanced; where communists and Muslim sleeper agents have infiltrated every level of govenment; where Michelle Bachmann isn't clinically insane; where "privatization" doesn't mean giving freebies to hand-picked cronies and private businesses without competive bidding; and where Sarah Palin knows more about world history than Will and Ariel Durant.


My father's reality says George W Bush never lowered taxes. Yesterday, after he told this to me, I read the description of both acts that make up the Bush tax cuts to him he just said, "So what's your point?"
 
2012-08-27 01:55:09 PM
In their study, Liu and Ditto asked over 1,500 people about their moral and factual views on four highly divisive political issues. Two of them - the death penalty and the forceful interrogation of terrorists using techniques like waterboarding - are ones where liberals tend to think the act in question is morally unacceptable even if it actually yields benefits (for instance, deterring crime, or providing intelligence that can help prevent further terrorist strikes). The other two - providing information about condoms in the context of sex education, and embryonic stem cell research - are ones where conservatives tend to think the act in question is unacceptable even if it yields benefits (helping to prevent unwanted pregnancies, leading to cures for devastating diseases).

There is a problem with this study. Facts actually do support the "liberal" views, and don't support the "conservative" views. One could come to the "liberal" conclusion through investigation and research instead of emotional moral judgement.
 
2012-08-27 02:35:09 PM

Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?


To take the conservative approach, since condoms don't have a 100% success rate, then logically they're not worth using. QED, biatch.
 
2012-08-27 02:39:06 PM
that headline is genius.
 
2012-08-27 02:42:56 PM
headline of the year?
 
2012-08-27 02:46:19 PM
This sentence is a lie.
 
2012-08-27 02:57:57 PM
fantastic headline. please read at least the sub-heading of tfa before commenting.
 
2012-08-27 03:03:32 PM

Diogenes: Okay.

Then conservatives must be inventing entirely new ones. Where women's bodies manufacture their own contraceptives; where everything Bush did was budgeted, paid for, and didn't contribute to our debt; where Paul Ryan didn't vote for all those defict-increasing Bush measures; where the GOP isn't trying to create and enforce an economic caste system; where Obama is foreign-born; where Fox News is fair and balanced; where communists and Muslim sleeper agents have infiltrated every level of govenment; where Michelle Bachmann isn't clinically insane; where "privatization" doesn't mean giving freebies to hand-picked cronies and private businesses without competive bidding; and where Sarah Palin knows more about world history than Will and Ariel Durant.


that is the joke, you see
 
2012-08-27 03:23:08 PM

Jackson Herring: Diogenes: Okay. That was a good headline and I completely understood the joke.

that is the joke, you see


god, leave it to you libs to completely distort a good godfearing conservative like Diogenes and twist his words to your own libby ends. it's people like you that are why obama has the power to rape our constitution on a daily basis.
 
2012-08-27 03:25:15 PM
Methinks thou doth project too much.
 
2012-08-27 03:37:13 PM

Jackson Herring: Diogenes: Okay.

Then conservatives must be inventing entirely new ones. Where women's bodies manufacture their own contraceptives; where everything Bush did was budgeted, paid for, and didn't contribute to our debt; where Paul Ryan didn't vote for all those defict-increasing Bush measures; where the GOP isn't trying to create and enforce an economic caste system; where Obama is foreign-born; where Fox News is fair and balanced; where communists and Muslim sleeper agents have infiltrated every level of govenment; where Michelle Bachmann isn't clinically insane; where "privatization" doesn't mean giving freebies to hand-picked cronies and private businesses without competive bidding; and where Sarah Palin knows more about world history than Will and Ariel Durant.

that is the joke, you see


You want me to bring teh funny AND RTFA? Farker, please.
 
2012-08-27 03:43:06 PM
So you ask the liberal which facts the conservative would tell you is true, and believe the opposite... and then vote republican?
 
/i suck at these things
 
2012-08-27 03:47:13 PM
You think its bad now? Wait until Obama wins in November and the Republicans go even deeper into their cocoon of crazy.
 
2012-08-27 03:50:36 PM
I thought according to conservatives, facts are just things liberals made up?
 
2012-08-27 04:01:06 PM

Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?


Conservatives believe it helps, but it is unnecessary for a rape.
 
2012-08-27 04:01:23 PM

Vodka Zombie: Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?

It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.


It's only work if you'd rather be doing something else.
 
2012-08-27 04:01:30 PM

Karac: House tells her she's pregnant and has a yeast infection, and she says she can't be pregnant- the was using jelly. Then she holds up a can of Smucker's grape flavor


What Senate seat is she running for?
 
2012-08-27 04:03:47 PM

WTF Indeed: Conservative Fantasy World:


Liberal Fantasy World:


But I hate drum circles and white people. Who should I vote for?
 
2012-08-27 04:04:05 PM
So Romney did kill that woman?
 
2012-08-27 04:04:06 PM
Is it that conservatives actually believe things that are not real, or that they are more willing to lie to justify the actions they desiire to take?

Do they actually believe trickle down economics works despite all evidence otherwise, or are they just willing to lie about the outcome to justify tax cuts for the wealthy?
 
2012-08-27 04:06:20 PM
Twisting reality to suit beliefs?

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And the common liberal equivalence is?

i66.photobucket.com 

Conservatives read things like the parable of the talents and the bits about wrath, liberals read things like the healings and the meekness and trashing the money changers in the temple.

Ahem... Render onto Caesar that which is Caesar's. i.e. PAY YOUR farkING TAXES. 

/Hail all-powerful Atheismo!
 
2012-08-27 04:07:02 PM
They believe the earth is 6000 years old. If you can believe that, you can pretty much believe anything...
 
2012-08-27 04:07:27 PM

Cletus C.: So Romney did kill that woman?


No, but if she lived in Massachusetts, Romneycare would've saved her life.
 
2012-08-27 04:07:44 PM

beantowndog: This sentence is a lie.


No, it's not.
 
2012-08-27 04:07:54 PM

All together now:

soul-amen.com
Noted.
 
2012-08-27 04:09:41 PM

Cletus C.: So Romney did kill that woman?


Counterpoint: "Barack Obama gutted work requirements in welfare rules"

Your move, chump. You want to go tit-for-tat on this? I'm up for it. I'll bet I could whup your ass at this little game just using things Rick Santorum has said.
 
2012-08-27 04:09:46 PM

Rwa2play: All together now:

[soul-amen.com image 372x323]
Noted.


What? The study is projecting?
 
2012-08-27 04:10:10 PM
Well played, subby. Well played.
 
2012-08-27 04:11:01 PM
This is why AM radio works for conservatives, but not for liberals.
This is why attempts at openly political conservative humor crash and burn.
This is why the left is full of immoral, dithering, insecure people
This is guy George W believes in his gut.
This is why herding liberals is like herding cats.
This is who the ends justify the means to so many republicans.

This is why Romney is a job creator and Obama has not created any jobs.
 
2012-08-27 04:11:03 PM

beantowndog: This sentence is a lie.


Uhm... True. I'll go true.
 
2012-08-27 04:11:47 PM
Explains why so many religious people are Republicans. Most of what they believe depends on faith rather than facts.
 
2012-08-27 04:12:35 PM
WTF Indeed:

Conservative Fantasy World:

A gated community that keeps the poors out.

Liberal Fantasy World:

Sweden.
 
2012-08-27 04:13:03 PM
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KIRK: "Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that! Everything Harry tells you is a lie!"

MUDD: "Now listen to this carefully, Norman: I AM LYING!"

NORMAN: "You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but... you lie, you tell the truth, but you cannot for you l... Illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are Human! Only Humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!"
 
2012-08-27 04:13:28 PM
Old enough to know better,
Explains why so many religious people are Republicans. Most of what they believe depends on faith rather than facts.


Seconded.
 
2012-08-27 04:13:29 PM

Cletus C.: So Romney did kill that woman?


Thanks for proving the point. The part where they use the word "more"... because if it were the other way around, you wouldn't be in every politics thread trumpeting that one, single point.
 
2012-08-27 04:15:00 PM

Rwa2play: All together now:


Soooo.... you must have read the study so you base your accusation on what, exactly?
 
2012-08-27 04:15:18 PM
Let's just get this out of the way early.

"In other words, liberals and conservatives alike shaded their assessment of the facts so as to align them with their moral convictions - establishing what Liu and Ditto call a "moral coherence" between their ethical and factual views. Neither side was innocent when it came to confusing "is" and "ought" (as moral philosophers might put it)."

I've carefully omitted the next paragraph which provides context and further information critically relevant to the meaning of the above quote and the article in general.

Therefore both sides are clearly bad, making the entire article meaningless and everyone should go vote Republican.

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2012-08-27 04:16:22 PM
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Good... good. Let the dissonance flow through you. Your derp will make me richer and more powerful.
 
2012-08-27 04:16:26 PM

El Pachuco: Liberal Fantasy World:

Sweden.


www.hogwild.net
 
2012-08-27 04:17:10 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Rwa2play: All together now:

Soooo.... you must have read the study so you base your accusation on what, exactly?


Whoops! My bad...should've RTFA.
 
2012-08-27 04:17:11 PM

Karac: Vodka Zombie: Karac: Forget which side twists facts more. I want to know the breakdown on how each side answered this question:
Do condoms work to prevent pregnancy?

It depends on your definition of "work," my friend.

What kind of different ways could you define that?
For some reason your comment reminds me of the House episode where a fundie girl walks into the clinic, House tells her she's pregnant and has a yeast infection, and she says she can't be pregnant- the was using jelly. Then she holds up a can of Smucker's grape flavor.


They did that old joke? It was probably old when I first heard it back in 1985.
 
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