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2012-08-27 04:28:33 PM  

RsquaredW: Better than the guys version.

1) be rich and good looking
2) be rich and good looking
3) be rich and good looking cursed to be ugly until good looking again
4) be rich and good looking
5) pretend to be rich and good looking
6) be rich and good looking

Quick, name the movies!


1, 2, 4, 6) Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, Hercules, Snow White, Rapunzel,

3) Beauty and the Beast, The Princess and the Frog, The Emperor's New Groove
5) Aladdin

There's a couple more, though
7) Be Broke But Noble and Good Looking: Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mulan
8) Be Broke and Ignoble, but Become a Prince (and Enlightened) By Marrying the Princess Instead: Pocahontas, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Rapunzel
9) Be Broke and Allergic to Wealth As To Compare Favorably With Princess' Father: Peter Pan
 
2012-08-27 04:29:33 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Then there's the original Rapunzel story, where she gets pregnant, and the wicked witch kicks her out of the tower to starve in the desert. It's quite the Republican response to sex ed.


Really?
 
2012-08-27 04:30:33 PM  

Cymbal: WhippingBoy: I've often wondered... instead of complaining about what Disney does, why don't people make their own movies? That way, they can make the heroes/heroines whatever way they want them to be.

Because it would be half-assed and under-funded shiat that we'd all lose money on to the point of bankruptcy.

Then we'd turn to making reality porn.


th01.deviantart.net
 
2012-08-27 04:31:05 PM  
For fark's sake. Just lay off of Disney. Kids get it fine and they are more honest than any adult. Give it a rest PC police.
 
2012-08-27 04:31:40 PM  
Searches thread for : "sandwich"

0 results

/leaves in a huff
 
2012-08-27 04:31:50 PM  

LeroyBourne: So we should deprive children the movies they may love and have no desire to know about hidden meanings that they really don't understand?


When I was a wee lass, reading all the fairy tales, I never thought that they had all these hidden meanings. For instance, I never thought "Snow White" was about how a girl has to sit home and do the housework and then passively lie around waiting to be woken into womanhood blah blah blah. I thought that the message was that men didn't matter too much.

After all, Snow White got to run away from her mean mother, live in the forest with dwarves and animals and have a good time; while the Prince was just some guy who happened to ride by at the right time. ALL those stories were ABOUT the princess and her trials and tribulations; the Prince was mostly an afterthought, some poor schmuck who was in the right place at the right time. (Disney was the first one, in Sleeping Beauty who actually gave the poor Prince some kind of backstory and his own perils to face)

This was my earliest proof that some people just need to find things to be outraged over.
 
2012-08-27 04:32:05 PM  
Gyrfalcon: "Classic fairy tales ARE gender stereotypes, in case nobody ever noticed before."
They stereotype far more than just gender: race, class, culture, religion, profession, wealth -- pretty much everything.

That's the form, really. Short and simple, with everything framed in extremes.
(e.g. if the story is at all about wealth, the main characters will only be either dirt-poor or filthy-rich. The dirt-poor will be honest and hardworking and the rich will be mizerly, pompous, scheming and lazy)

At the same time, those characterizations do reinforce expectations among young, impressionable minds.

So while it's weak-sauce to biatch about a given princess needing to be rescued or, say, a given merchant being a jewish stereotype, it's still valid to raise questions and concerns if damn near *every* princess sits around waiting to be rescued, or *every* merchant is a jewish stereotype, etc.
 
2012-08-27 04:32:22 PM  

WhippingBoy: The next Disney Princess is going to be an outraged, 300 pound lesbian named Glorioa (voiced by Rosie O'Donnell).

She will be fighting against the oppressive Hegemonic Patriarchy with the help of her magical friends:
- Kitsune, an outraged, trans-gendered POC who's into serious kink
- Mary-Ann, an outraged, bi-sexual (lesbian leaning) woman who constantly and deliberately puts her self into dangerous situations. Her wacky catchphrase is "stop blaming the victim"
- Loosey-Goosie, the outraged Slut Without Shame
- Jean Sixpack, a young, outraged character with no real convictions or mind of her own but who follows whatever the outraged Queen of Gender Studies tells her to believe without question

The movie will culminate with Gloria magically transforming into a trans-gendered man...

They're still working on a title, but it's scheduled for release in Christmas of 2013.


Those feminazi websites you go to have permanently damaged you... more so, I mean.
 
2012-08-27 04:34:03 PM  
www.wired.com
 
2012-08-27 04:35:02 PM  

WhippingBoy: The next Disney Princess is going to be an outraged, 300 pound lesbian named Glorioa (voiced by Rosie O'Donnell).

She will be fighting against the oppressive Hegemonic Patriarchy with the help of her magical friends:
- Kitsune, an outraged, trans-gendered POC who's into serious kink
- Mary-Ann, an outraged, bi-sexual (lesbian leaning) woman who constantly and deliberately puts her self into dangerous situations. Her wacky catchphrase is "stop blaming the victim"
- Loosey-Goosie, the outraged Slut Without Shame
- Jean Sixpack, a young, outraged character with no real convictions or mind of her own but who follows whatever the outraged Queen of Gender Studies tells her to believe without question

The movie will culminate with Gloria magically transforming into a trans-gendered man...

They're still working on a title, but it's scheduled for release in Christmas of 2013.


"Glory Whole"
 
2012-08-27 04:35:35 PM  

Millennium: I've been seeing that picture floating around the Net for years. But yeah, to some degree, the Disney Princesses are about gender stereotypes. Considering the source material, this should come as no surprise.

What is surprising is how much those stereotypes are softened as compared to the original tales. The original Little Mermaid, for example, is rewarded not with her man, but with a lifetime of serving others through which she might be able to forge a soul for herself. In comparison with stuff like that, Disney seems downright progressive.


The original Little Mermaid is a coded tale of homosexual loss and sorrow.

That's why it's so beautiful. Hans Christian Anderson *was* the fish living between two worlds. The pain in that story was raw, because it was real. And where other characters in other stories would seek vengeance or say 'you ain't taking my maaaaaaaaaaaaan'... The Little Mermaid/Hans approves the princes's choice in princesses, and has nothing but love for her, which makes the pain all that much worse.
 
2012-08-27 04:35:46 PM  
murderburger.files.wordpress.com

Z0MG, THE CARTOONS ARE OPPRESSING MY WOMYNHOOD.!

They're cartoons.

c a r t o o n s .

Honest.
 
2012-08-27 04:35:52 PM  

solaufein: Classic fairy tales, mostly:

Princess - Year of origin (mostly) followed by source in parentheses.

Snow White - 1812-1864 (Bros Grimm)
Cinderella - 1697 (Charles Perrault and older myths)
Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) - 1697 (Charles Perrault and Bros Grimm)
Ariel - 1837 (Hans Christian Anderson)
Belle - 1740 (Gabrielle-Suzanne Babot de Villeneuve)
Jasmine - 9th Century (Ancient Middle East)
Pocahontas - 1613 (loosely History based)
Mulan - between 1368 and 1644 (ancient Chinese legend of Hua Mulan - 386 to 534 A.D)
Tiana - 1812-1864 Bros Grimm / E.D Baker's 2002 novel "The Frog Princess"
Rapunzel - 1698 (French tale and Bros Grimm)
Merida - 2012 (Original)

source: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Princess and http://www.wikipedia.org/ 

Only two really don't fit. Tiana (if you go with the 2002 origin) and Merida.

Based on

classic fairy tails, maybe, but almost all of these are sanitized for modern consumption (i.e. they leave out all the horrific deaths).
 
2012-08-27 04:35:54 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Nevermind that Princess 1 barely figured in LoTR except as someone Aragorn wanted to marry; and Princess 2 not only wasn't a princess, she was actively suicidal and wanted to die in battle because she had so little in her life...Movies that try to throw girls in to the mix when they weren't there to start with usually fail miserably, at least on the gender-equality level.


Are you suggesting Jackson et al should not have changed Arwen and Eowyn? I can't tell.
 
2012-08-27 04:36:42 PM  

PeterPipersPickledPecker: WhippingBoy: The next Disney Princess is going to be an outraged, 300 pound lesbian named Glorioa (voiced by Rosie O'Donnell).

She will be fighting against the oppressive Hegemonic Patriarchy with the help of her magical friends:
- Kitsune, an outraged, trans-gendered POC who's into serious kink
- Mary-Ann, an outraged, bi-sexual (lesbian leaning) woman who constantly and deliberately puts her self into dangerous situations. Her wacky catchphrase is "stop blaming the victim"
- Loosey-Goosie, the outraged Slut Without Shame
- Jean Sixpack, a young, outraged character with no real convictions or mind of her own but who follows whatever the outraged Queen of Gender Studies tells her to believe without question

The movie will culminate with Gloria magically transforming into a trans-gendered man...

They're still working on a title, but it's scheduled for release in Christmas of 2013.

"Glory Whole"


You sir non-gender-specific title, are a genius.
 
2012-08-27 04:36:49 PM  
funnyzela.com
 
2012-08-27 04:36:57 PM  

Arkanaut: Based on classic fairy tails tales


FTFM

/can't believe I did that
//got singing/dancing animals on my brain, I suppose
 
2012-08-27 04:38:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: StaleCoffee: CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]

This is why I hate peter jackson.

Princess 1: Elf that sits around being inspiration-grade pretty.

Princess 2: Parents die at 7, learns to ride a horse and stab shiat, kills the second most badass guy in the armies of shadowevilwhatever with a surprise lolz, at the same time avenging her adoptive fathers death and only gets outshone when the guy she fell in love with but turned her down shows up with an army of ghosts in pirate ships.

Arwen was not Princess 2.

Nevermind that Princess 1 barely figured in LoTR except as someone Aragorn wanted to marry; and Princess 2 not only wasn't a princess, she was actively suicidal and wanted to die in battle because she had so little in her life.

Movies that try to throw girls in to the mix when they weren't there to start with usually fail miserably, at least on the gender-equality level.


Technically she was a princess, but I can see the suicidal thing. Though changing your uncle's diapers while his slimy sidekick with a surname of Wormtongue gropes you and you're not allowed to do cool shiat like ride horses and kill things with a sword because you're a girl probably had a hand in that.

Felix_T_Cat: You're forgetting the scene pictured, where she draws off the enemy by herself to save the others.


Okay.
 
2012-08-27 04:38:34 PM  
If they're that ticked off about the Princesses, I'd hate to see how they'd react to the "Disney Fairies" movies.

/pretty good, actually - animation is miles ahead of other direct-to-video stuff, and has actual plots and stuff
//Tinkerbell will make someone a great crazy ex some day
 
2012-08-27 04:39:45 PM  

zippythechimp: God Is My Co-Pirate: Then there's the original Rapunzel story, where she gets pregnant, and the wicked witch kicks her out of the tower to starve in the desert. It's quite the Republican response to sex ed.

Really?


Yup. The prince "visits" Rapunzel every day while the witch is out. Eventually she can't hide the pregnancy any more. The witch cuts off her hair and kicks her out into the wilderness. The prince comes back to the tower, climbs the braid as usual, and when he gets to the top, the witch leans out and pushes him off. He falls into a thorn bush, which blinds him, and spends years crippled and wandering the wilderness. Years later, he hears a familiar song and goes towards it; it's Rapunzel, who by this point has had twins. She falls into his arms crying, her tears heal his eyesight, and they live happily ever after. It's a messed up sex ed story.
 
2012-08-27 04:41:00 PM  
umm what kid DOESN'T want to be like that
 
2012-08-27 04:41:58 PM  

bunner: [murderburger.files.wordpress.com image 389x400]

Z0MG, THE CARTOONS ARE OPPRESSING MY WOMYNHOOD.!

They're cartoons.

c a r t o o n s .

Honest.


Where's Neil Peart?
 
2012-08-27 04:44:49 PM  

PeterPipersPickledPecker: Cymbal: WhippingBoy: I've often wondered... instead of complaining about what Disney does, why don't people make their own movies? That way, they can make the heroes/heroines whatever way they want them to be.

Because it would be half-assed and under-funded shiat that we'd all lose money on to the point of bankruptcy.

Then we'd turn to making reality porn.

[th01.deviantart.net image 739x1080]


chink eyes and saddle thighs .. IN!
 
2012-08-27 04:45:35 PM  

WhippingBoy: Where's Neil Peart?


www.delish.com
 
2012-08-27 04:45:56 PM  

WhippingBoy: Where's Neil Peart?


Watching Murphy Brown re-runs.

remember her?
 
2012-08-27 04:46:00 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Then there is the one where 7 guys live with one woman.

But what a woman!
[img856.imageshack.us image 640x480]

Hey, who hasn't wanted to see a woman gangbanged by 7 midgets?


Relevant to our interests, indeed.
 
2012-08-27 04:46:26 PM  

Pista: Mmmm. More like this really


Be fair, this is what she looked like in 1970.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-27 04:47:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: LeroyBourne: So we should deprive children the movies they may love and have no desire to know about hidden meanings that they really don't understand?

When I was a wee lass, reading all the fairy tales, I never thought that they had all these hidden meanings. For instance, I never thought "Snow White" was about how a girl has to sit home and do the housework and then passively lie around waiting to be woken into womanhood blah blah blah. I thought that the message was that men didn't matter too much.

After all, Snow White got to run away from her mean mother, live in the forest with dwarves and animals and have a good time; while the Prince was just some guy who happened to ride by at the right time. ALL those stories were ABOUT the princess and her trials and tribulations; the Prince was mostly an afterthought, some poor schmuck who was in the right place at the right time. (Disney was the first one, in Sleeping Beauty who actually gave the poor Prince some kind of backstory and his own perils to face)

This was my earliest proof that some people just need to find things to be outraged over.


Her mother was dead. Daddy married a new woman, and new woman -- just like in real life -- didn't want her husband's children from his first marriage to interfere with her new life. Human women and human men take too many cues from male lions. That's a lesson too many kids absorb in real life :( It'd be nice if there were a happy ending for them.................
 
2012-08-27 04:47:25 PM  
All this malarkey says one thing.

"YOU HAVE TO APPORTION SOME DEGREE OF YOUR CREATIVE OUTPUT TO CATER TO WHAT *I* THINK IS IMPORTANT!"

And you know?

That's not how creativity works.
 
2012-08-27 04:47:43 PM  

SinisterDexter: Gyrfalcon: Nevermind that Princess 1 barely figured in LoTR except as someone Aragorn wanted to marry; and Princess 2 not only wasn't a princess, she was actively suicidal and wanted to die in battle because she had so little in her life...Movies that try to throw girls in to the mix when they weren't there to start with usually fail miserably, at least on the gender-equality level.

Are you suggesting Jackson et al should not have changed Arwen and Eowyn? I can't tell.


I'm suggesting that they were drastically changed to put women into the storyline. Arwen wasn't even a character in the books, except when she showed up at the end to wed Aragorn. And Eowyn's tale was much different from what Jackson made of it. Her whole impetus for acting as she did was glossed over in the movie to make it "Oh, she loves Aragorn because we need SOME kind of love triangle to make it interesting."

Sometimes you don't need to paste a romance/female lead into a story, if the story is compelling enough. This idea that you have to have a woman character roughly equivalent to the male lead because you're being sexist otherwise is just asinine. It's gotten to where nobody can tell a story anymore, seems like, without worrying who they're going to offend and adjusting the story accordingly.
 
2012-08-27 04:48:06 PM  
FTA: George Takei[...] posted a controversial illustration of the Disney princesses.

Oh my.
img41.imageshack.us
/talk about a jealous female
 
2012-08-27 04:49:58 PM  
Madonna's evil queen nemesis.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-27 04:50:03 PM  

StaleCoffee: CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]

This is why I hate peter jackson.

Princess 1: Elf that sits around being inspiration-grade pretty.

Princess 2: Parents die at 7, learns to ride a horse and stab shiat, kills the second most badass guy in the armies of shadowevilwhatever with a surprise lolz, at the same time avenging her adoptive fathers death and only gets outshone when the guy she fell in love with but turned her down shows up with an army of ghosts in pirate ships.

Arwen was not Princess 2.


And I can't believe Jackson left out that part about how Princess #2 promised Faramir that she would put aside her warrior ways and be a good housewife and make sandwiches.
 
2012-08-27 04:51:06 PM  

CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]


Fark Peter Jackson.

/I was going to suggest Eowyn out of Tolkien if you're looking for a female role model, but I guess outside the 'I am no man' bit she's no better, what with the whole 'Aragorn doesn't like me so I want to go die in battle' business..or was that part more Jackson nonsense?
//I have some rereading to do.

StaleCoffee: CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]

This is why I hate peter jackson.

Princess 1: Elf that sits around being inspiration-grade pretty.

Princess 2: Parents die at 7, learns to ride a horse and stab shiat, kills the second most badass guy in the armies of shadowevilwhatever with a surprise lolz, at the same time avenging her adoptive fathers death and only gets outshone when the guy she fell in love with but turned her down shows up with an army of ghostshis fellow rangers and the freed people from the coastal cities in pirate ships.

Arwen was not Princess 2.


Eowyn's big moment was all farked up because they couldn't just stick with the order of events from the books. And hell, other than the fact it's someone flying the banner of the king that shows up she doesn't even really get outshone, killing the witch king basically broke the back of the army, it was largely cleanup work after that.

/my memory of the books may be a bit fuzzy and muddled by the movies
//I think I'm due for a re-reading
 
2012-08-27 04:52:22 PM  
Pickled Pepper reminded me of another Disney 'princess' whose parents were still alive:

profile.ak.fbcdn.net

I hope the movie version of 'Peter and the Starcatchers' doesn't fark up the story line. First Peter plays the mother, then the daughter, and all the while has Tink on the side. There are perks to never growing up.
 
2012-08-27 04:57:00 PM  
My sister is a nice, normal housewife.

Her and her husband both worked until they could afford a house and then she quit her job to stay home with the kids, who are quite well adjusted, and she now does child care for a woman near her home and has for years.

She's bright, honest, kind, can stomp my ass at chess and can take the balls off a gnat with a semi-automatic pistol at about 30 yards.

I know, a she's supposed to be a traitor to her gender or the "movement", but, see what she did was - and this is important - she did as she f*cking well pleased and pursued the life she wanted with the person she loves. And if that isn't feminism, y'all have lost the plot. She also managed to do this after sitting through many Walt Disney cartoons. I suppose the trick is to not be so pigsh*t thick that you allow animated films to dictate your world view.
 
2012-08-27 04:57:02 PM  

pedalphile: Pickled Pepper reminded me of another Disney 'princess' whose parents were still alive:

[profile.ak.fbcdn.net image 180x129]

I hope the movie version of 'Peter and the Starcatchers' doesn't fark up the story line. First Peter plays the mother, then the daughter, and all the while has Tink on the side. There are perks to never growing up.


That's what bothers me. He had Tink. Why would he need anyone else? Yeah, I get it, he wants a Mom, someone to lead him and cuddle him and tell him it's going to be alright when he gets sick of being a Leader of Boys doing the leading and cuddling and telling his crew it's going to be alright, himself. Tink is so hardcore, though. She's his equal and more than his equal. But he can never fall in love with an equal. He can only fall in love with someone who.. what?
 
2012-08-27 04:57:38 PM  

WhippingBoy: bunner: [murderburger.files.wordpress.com image 389x400]

Z0MG, THE CARTOONS ARE OPPRESSING MY WOMYNHOOD.!

They're cartoons.

c a r t o o n s .

Honest.

Where's Neil Peart?


totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-27 04:58:12 PM  
I had a challenge on my blog a couple weeks ago that everyone was too lazy to take up - but they should have. So I challenge you farkers!

Basically, I wanted people to rewrite Disney fairytales - for example, instead of Prince Charming marrying Sleeping Beauty - he gets arrested for date rape.

;)

Read other examples here
 
2012-08-27 04:58:53 PM  

skilbride: I had a challenge on my blog a couple weeks ago that everyone was too lazy to take up - but they should have. So I challenge you farkers!

Basically, I wanted people to rewrite Disney fairytales - for example, instead of Prince Charming marrying Sleeping Beauty - he gets arrested for date rape.

;)

Read other examples here


Or ya know, here.

http://www.howmanyfrogs.com/2012/08/how-disney-corrupts-your-childre n- a-challenge/
 
2012-08-27 04:59:15 PM  

bunner: I suppose the trick is to not be so pigsh*t thick that you allow animated films to dictate your world view.


my worldview is dictated by Wizards and I'll be dammed if'n I'm going to let the internet change that.
 
2012-08-27 05:00:29 PM  

skilbride: I had a challenge on my blog a couple weeks ago that everyone was too lazy to take up - but they should have. So I challenge you farkers!

Basically, I wanted people to rewrite Disney fairytales - for example, instead of Prince Charming marrying Sleeping Beauty - he gets arrested for date rape.

;)

Read other examples here


I think I'll pass.
 
2012-08-27 05:00:44 PM  

Arkanaut: Based on classic fairy tails, maybe, but almost all of these are sanitized for modern consumption (i.e. they leave out all the horrific deaths).


Well, were Disney to include them, or make them the same as the source material, we'd have much different movies. As mentioned by many others.
 
2012-08-27 05:01:16 PM  

Skyrmion: And I can't believe Jackson left out that part about how Princess #2 promised Faramir that she would put aside her warrior ways and be a good housewife and make sandwiches.


Three sandwiches for elf-biatches under the sky
Seven for dwarf bros in their halls, all stoned
Nine for morbid men who like to cry
One for the meme lord on his porcelain throne
In the land of mustard, where that dude gets high

meh
 
2012-08-27 05:02:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon:

This was my earliest proof that some people just need to find things to be outraged over.


Yep, take it all away, children's books that have naked dreaming boys, children's songs about dragons which is clearly about smoking drugs. Sanitize it all. I really don't understand how kids can take it these days, if they're parents are really shoving this crap down them.
 
2012-08-27 05:05:20 PM  

crzybtch: Well I for one would appreciate more realistic kids movies where the characters look like regular people and are focused on for their intelligence, wit and abilities.
I grew up on all that Disney princess crap and felt completely inferior as a tomgirl stuck in a boyish body with buck teeth and bad skin. I could get caught up in the dream of finding Mr. Wonderful one day only to have reality set in and realize that was for the petite pretty girls, not for a homely kid like me. Imagination and fantasy is fine but making kids feel like they will never measure up is just not cool. I would have been so much better off with movies where every girl didn't look beyond perfect and whose happy ending didn't always include Mr. Wonderful coming to "rescue" her. I also think boys deserve the same.


Disney tried....


freeimagesarchive.com
Tink


www.virginmedia.com
The chick on the left


www.demotivationalposters.org
Eilonwy

So.. out of three tomboys who can kick ass in their own right, only one is human :\ :( They got better in the 90s with making female characters who could stand up for themselves and weren't just waiting for Mr. Right.
 
2012-08-27 05:05:39 PM  

SphericalTime: They've been mostly gender stereotypes (and I'm kind of surprised that the author of article is just realizing that). Disney found a formula and bought into it wholeheartedly: take a classic fairy tale and make the central focus a love story (if it wasn't already). And, with that formula, the princesses were mostly objects to be rescued.

However, some of their recent princesses are great symbols. Merida from Brave is an awesome example, her storyline was basically, "You don't need a man to do awesome stuff and control your own destiny. " I loved the fact that she didn't even have a love interest.


It would have been better if the suitors were viable love interests. Then her choosing none would be a real choice of her own.

As they framed it, even the most meek and accepting girl would have not wanted the choices laid before her.


Ie if you give a person filet and tenderloin as q choice, choosing neither is a much bigger deal than if the options were shoe leather and pig ear.
 
2012-08-27 05:05:55 PM  
All this outrage is a subtle (or not so subtle) form of shaming done by special interest groups in order to sway people to their ideology.
Do you let your little girl watch Disney Princess movies? Then you're a bad parent who seeks to oppress womyn everywhere!
 
2012-08-27 05:06:01 PM  

HalEmmerich: CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]

Fark Peter Jackson.

/I was going to suggest Eowyn out of Tolkien if you're looking for a female role model, but I guess outside the 'I am no man' bit she's no better, what with the whole 'Aragorn doesn't like me so I want to go die in battle' business..or was that part more Jackson nonsense?
//I have some rereading to do.StaleCoffee: CygnusDarius: Fark Disney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x370]

This is why I hate peter jackson.

Princess 1: Elf that sits around being inspiration-grade pretty.

Princess 2: Parents die at 7, learns to ride a horse and stab shiat, kills the second most badass guy in the armies of shadowevilwhatever with a surprise lolz, at the same time avenging her adoptive fathers death and only gets outshone when the guy she fell in love with but turned her down shows up with an army of ghostshis fellow rangers and the freed people from the coastal cities in pirate ships.

Arwen was not Princess 2.

Eowyn's big moment was all farked up because they couldn't just stick with the order of events from the books. And hell, other than the fact it's someone flying the banner of the king that shows up she doesn't even really get outshone, killing the witch king basically broke the back of the army, it was largely cleanup work after that.

/my memory of the books may be a bit fuzzy and muddled by the movies
//I think I'm due for a re-reading


In the parts of Tolkein that never made it into the published trilogy, there's a whole backstory about Eowyn and Eomer and why she was so distraught. Turns out the brother and sister were the children of Theoden's sister and a warrior who died young; Eowyn passionately loved her cousin, Theoden's son, who had been killed at the Battle of the Fords of Isen...so she latched onto Aragorn as the next best thing. It also explains why she turned to Faramir later--he was much closer to her cousin, personality-wise.

As for why she killed the Witch-King, there had been a prophecy ages before that he would not die "by the hand of man," so it was very important that she ride secretly into battle. She had gone to protect the only thing she had left, her adoptive father, and was the only one not being driven by the known prophecies that everyone else was following.

All these things a LoTR nerd has to know...
 
2012-08-27 05:09:01 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: pedalphile: Pickled Pepper reminded me of another Disney 'princess' whose parents were still alive:

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I hope the movie version of 'Peter and the Starcatchers' doesn't fark up the story line. First Peter plays the mother, then the daughter, and all the while has Tink on the side. There are perks to never growing up.

That's what bothers me. He had Tink. Why would he need anyone else? Yeah, I get it, he wants a Mom, someone to lead him and cuddle him and tell him it's going to be alright when he gets sick of being a Leader of Boys doing the leading and cuddling and telling his crew it's going to be alright, himself. Tink is so hardcore, though. She's his equal and more than his equal. But he can never fall in love with an equal. He can only fall in love with someone who.. what?


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A relationship with Tink would be problematic.
 
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