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2012-08-27 12:33:01 PM  
static.guim.co.uk

I am sure someone has a problem with her too.
 
2012-08-27 12:49:43 PM  
They've been mostly gender stereotypes (and I'm kind of surprised that the author of article is just realizing that). Disney found a formula and bought into it wholeheartedly: take a classic fairy tale and make the central focus a love story (if it wasn't already). And, with that formula, the princesses were mostly objects to be rescued.

However, some of their recent princesses are great symbols. Merida from Brave is an awesome example, her storyline was basically, "You don't need a man to do awesome stuff and control your own destiny. " I loved the fact that she didn't even have a love interest.
 
2012-08-27 12:52:26 PM  

Gunny Highway: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

I am sure someone has a problem with her too.


Easily one of the gayest Disney stories of all time. Shang starts to fall in love with Ping long before it's revealed that he is actually a she. And when he does find out, look at the disappointment on his face! Seriously, Li Shang loves the cock.
 
2012-08-27 12:54:04 PM  
Are you kidding me?

Of course the Disney universe is based off of stereotyping.

I loooooooove Disney movies but there's some insane stuff in the films. Remember Beauty and the Beast? If you love your absuive boyfriend enough - you can turn your beast into a man, too. He locked her in a room, was physically aggressive, withheld meals, and threatened to murder her father unless she obeyed.
 
2012-08-27 12:57:17 PM  
Then there is the one where 7 guys live with one woman.

But what a woman!
img856.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-27 01:00:58 PM  
I don't think the men fare all that better either.

Jacked up, physically abusive, narcissistic douchebag:
images.zap2it.com

Possessive, over-protective tyrant:
t1.gstatic.com

Self-entitled, self-centered, lazy hipster:
media.giantbomb.com

Power-hungry, self-hating, perverted religious fanatic.
images2.fanpop.com

These idiots:
reocities.com

Granted, some of those are villains. But their traits are typically masculine.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-27 01:03:45 PM  
They do update their stereotypes periodically to keep up with modern thinking.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-27 01:04:42 PM  
This just in cartoons tend use broad stereotyped characterizations in much the same way that pantomimes and puppet shows have done for centuries. Film at 11
 
2012-08-27 01:06:14 PM  
They are stereotypes, subby, but they are the best kind of stereotype. They present us with an idealized template of something pristine and untarnished, a lingering reminder of a perfection and purity that, while impossible to experience, can serve as the stuff of dreams. My great fear is that someday there may be people -- cynical, jaded people, empty people with dark place holes where the souls should be -- who will attempt to pervert these shining examples of femininity, who will twist their innocence and goodness into the most vile, sick, degrading type of "internet porn," which some reports say is proliferating with disturbing rapidity in the internet's darker corners. I hope it never comes to that.
 
2012-08-27 01:10:28 PM  

SphericalTime: However, some of their recent princesses are great symbols. Merida from Brave is an awesome example, her storyline was basically, "You don't need a man to do awesome stuff and control your own destiny. " I loved the fact that she didn't even have a love interest.


And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

But, yeah, Brave was definitely a departure from the Disney formula and more relatable to a LOT of kids. "See, Mom's really just looking out for you and does love you. Please don't turn her into a bear."
 
2012-08-27 01:31:20 PM  
*sigh*
 
 
Someday my prince will come.
 
*sigh*
 
Always a bridesmaid!
 
2012-08-27 02:10:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Then there is the one where 7 guys live with one woman.

But what a woman!
[img856.imageshack.us image 640x480]


Hey, who hasn't wanted to see a woman gangbanged by 7 midgets?
 
2012-08-27 02:13:23 PM  

brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.


I have stopped going to Disney movies for that very reason. I'm just tired of the characters I identify most with being killed off every damn time. My daughter knows how I feel about this and told me I had to see Brave. Being turned into a bear is definitely a step above dying in a dramatically relevant fashion. And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.
 
2012-08-27 02:21:17 PM  
I would have to say both... it's a sad day for a girl once she grows up and realizes there are no prince charmings or righteous knights on horseback... but then you see that cute guy at the mall and who cares, he's got some weed, man.
 
2012-08-27 02:21:49 PM  

quickdraw: And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.


Interesting. I never thought of that.
 
2012-08-27 02:25:21 PM  

quickdraw: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

I have stopped going to Disney movies for that very reason. I'm just tired of the characters I identify most with being killed off every damn time. My daughter knows how I feel about this and told me I had to see Brave. Being turned into a bear is definitely a step above dying in a dramatically relevant fashion. And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.


I annoy the crap out of my wife by pointing out how seriously farked up most of the princess's home lives are. None of them had a normal childhood, most are missing one or both parents.

Who are Snow White's parents? Why is she a princess and what is her relationship with the queen?
Where is Ariel's mother?
Why didn't the good fairies wait one more day to return Aurora to her parents, thus voiding the curse?
Why didn't Cinderella just knock on the Prince's door and say, "I'm the one you're in love with"?

Disney stories are lousy with plot holes.

/of course they are
//just think it's funny
 
2012-08-27 02:30:26 PM  
Classic fairy tales, mostly:

Princess - Year of origin (mostly) followed by source in parentheses.

Snow White - 1812-1864 (Bros Grimm)
Cinderella - 1697 (Charles Perrault and older myths)
Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) - 1697 (Charles Perrault and Bros Grimm)
Ariel - 1837 (Hans Christian Anderson)
Belle - 1740 (Gabrielle-Suzanne Babot de Villeneuve)
Jasmine - 9th Century (Ancient Middle East)
Pocahontas - 1613 (loosely History based)
Mulan - between 1368 and 1644 (ancient Chinese legend of Hua Mulan - 386 to 534 A.D)
Tiana - 1812-1864 Bros Grimm / E.D Baker's 2002 novel "The Frog Princess"
Rapunzel - 1698 (French tale and Bros Grimm)
Merida - 2012 (Original)

source: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Princess and http://www.wikipedia.org/ 

Only two really don't fit. Tiana (if you go with the 2002 origin) and Merida.
 
2012-08-27 02:50:06 PM  

brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.


disney-blog.com

Nope.
 
2012-08-27 03:00:12 PM  

quickdraw: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

I have stopped going to Disney movies for that very reason. I'm just tired of the characters I identify most with being killed off every damn time. My daughter knows how I feel about this and told me I had to see Brave. Being turned into a bear is definitely a step above dying in a dramatically relevant fashion. And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.


Dont most children's stories revolve around kids learning to cope in the absence of adults/authority figures? Seems to be a major theme.
 
2012-08-27 03:05:05 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

[disney-blog.com image 550x302]

Nope.


Which Disney movie is that? I must have missed one.
 
2012-08-27 03:10:39 PM  

pudding7: Who are Snow White's parents? Why is she a princess and what is her relationship with the queen?


Mother died in childbirth & father remarried. Then her father died, leaving her w/the evil queen.

Where is Ariel's mother?

Dead

Why didn't the good fairies wait one more day to return Aurora to her parents, thus voiding the curse?

Then it would have been a very short movie.

Why didn't Cinderella just knock on the Prince's door and say, "I'm the one you're in love with"?

Battered child syndrome.
 
2012-08-27 03:16:45 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

[disney-blog.com image 550x302]

Nope.


Wasn't Sleeping Beauty's mom still alive too? The whole kingdom was just put to sleep wasn't it?
 
2012-08-27 03:17:49 PM  
Then there's the original Rapunzel story, where she gets pregnant, and the wicked witch kicks her out of the tower to starve in the desert. It's quite the Republican response to sex ed.
 
2012-08-27 03:39:54 PM  
Listen I am the individual upon which can see two sides of each issue and I will say to you this very much if you think about this Jasmine was the biatch and we can probably all have agreement that Snow White was the glutton. Also what was funny was the movie adaptation of this Snow White movie where Snow White was the investigator who was solving the murder and there was the person who was killed by the sleeping pills and the shy person was killed by being forced to attend the party and one was killed by being forced to do the inhalation of sneezing powder. And at the end of this movie what has happened is the woman who is Agent Snow White goes to the dock to find the head of the husband of she under this. Maybe I am having confusion upon two movies however.

Okay let us also think of the movie the Lady and the Tramp. Lady was certainly the biatch. I mean really she was this as she is the dog which is female LAUGHTER OL. But also she did the leading on of the Tramp so two strikes and she is out.

So yes it does appear of which the stereotypes are present. Perhaps Disney would do much better to work with someone who has known to do the gap bridging of different groups without the stereotypes. Prepare for the next movie of the Walt Disney Company:

Tyler Perry's Old Mutha Hubbard
 
2012-08-27 03:47:13 PM  
disney-clipart.com

Does the article say anything about Disney Duchesses?
 
2012-08-27 03:50:27 PM  

NuttierThanEver: This just in cartoons tend use broad stereotyped characterizations in much the same way that pantomimes and puppet shows have done for centuries. Film at 11


Dude, they don't like to be called "broads".
 
2012-08-27 03:50:37 PM  
What princesses look like
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What an evil queen looks like
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2012-08-27 03:51:25 PM  
Both apply,subby/subbette.
 
2012-08-27 03:51:36 PM  

miss diminutive: I don't think the men fare all that better either.


Thanks for pointing that out. People tend to forget that young guys are affected by the stereotyping as well.
 
2012-08-27 03:52:04 PM  
I'm pretty sure every Disney princess that ever was could beat the daylights out of the female leads from both Twilight and 50 Shades at the same time, standing on one high heel and singing a delightful song with a chorus of drunk hedgehogs.
 
2012-08-27 03:52:13 PM  
They can't be both?
 
2012-08-27 03:52:57 PM  
Better than the guys version.

1) be rich and good looking
2) be rich and good looking
3) be rich and good looking cursed to be ugly until good looking again
4) be rich and good looking
5) pretend to be rich and good looking
6) be rich and good looking

Quick, name the movies!
 
2012-08-27 03:53:04 PM  
Fap
 
2012-08-27 03:53:09 PM  

brigid_fitch: ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

[disney-blog.com image 550x302]

Nope.

Which Disney movie is that? I must have missed one.


Tangled
 
2012-08-27 03:53:34 PM  
*clicks link*

i.imgur.com


/golf clap for Pocket Ninja
 
2012-08-27 03:53:58 PM  

brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.


Aurora's mother never dies.
 
2012-08-27 03:53:58 PM  
I don't find cartoon women to be positive role models for girls often, but when I do, I prefer that they also be adored by adult men.
 
2012-08-27 03:55:03 PM  

pudding7: Why didn't the good fairies wait one more day to return Aurora to her parents, thus voiding the curse?


Did you not notice that they were bumbling idiots?
 
2012-08-27 03:55:11 PM  

fireclown: miss diminutive: I don't think the men fare all that better either.

Thanks for pointing that out. People tend to forget that young guys are affected by the stereotyping as well.


According to Disney, to get a girl you need to be rich, handsome, and charming. You don't even need a name.
 
2012-08-27 03:55:42 PM  

Methadone Girls: ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.

[disney-blog.com image 550x302]

Nope.

Wasn't Sleeping Beauty's mom still alive too? The whole kingdom was just put to sleep wasn't it?


I don't remember her mom, but the original story had her MIL as a literal ogre that tried to eat her and the kids. I think the Prince came home and killed moms just in time.
 
2012-08-27 03:56:45 PM  

solaufein: Classic fairy tales, mostly:

Princess - Year of origin (mostly) followed by source in parentheses.

Snow White - 1812-1864 (Bros Grimm)
Cinderella - 1697 (Charles Perrault and older myths)
Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) - 1697 (Charles Perrault and Bros Grimm)
Ariel - 1837 (Hans Christian Anderson)
Belle - 1740 (Gabrielle-Suzanne Babot de Villeneuve)
Jasmine - 9th Century (Ancient Middle East)
Pocahontas - 1613 (loosely History based)
Mulan - between 1368 and 1644 (ancient Chinese legend of Hua Mulan - 386 to 534 A.D)
Tiana - 1812-1864 Bros Grimm / E.D Baker's 2002 novel "The Frog Princess"
Rapunzel - 1698 (French tale and Bros Grimm)
Merida - 2012 (Original)

source: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Princess and http://www.wikipedia.org/ 

Only two really don't fit. Tiana (if you go with the 2002 origin) and Merida.


So Brave was an Original idea? As in wasn't directly related to some fairy tale?

I said that I would only watch Disney movies if it had an original story... looks like i'll have to find this in one of the theaters that show old movies around here.
 
2012-08-27 03:56:47 PM  
Answer:

Over-analyzed and boring.
 
2012-08-27 03:57:07 PM  

RsquaredW: Better than the guys version.

1) be rich and good looking
2) be rich and good looking
3) be rich and good looking cursed to be ugly until good looking again
4) be rich and good looking
5) pretend to be rich and good looking
6) be rich and good looking

Quick, name the movies!




Well, you have to admit that with the exception of #3, those are all pretty good bits of advice.
 
2012-08-27 03:57:39 PM  
It's not really fair to call Brave a Disney flick. It's Pixar. Pixar has the stones to tell Disney to piss off and GTFO their writing, and the industry clout to just up and walk if Disney doesn't listen. Heck, they did that, and were wildly succesful on their own.

Tangled was a marginal step forward (Princess' mother still alive), but it still suffers a TON from "princess needs a man to accomplish anything". And he's no better; the one saving grace is that he's not attractive AND good-hearted AND wealthy, just two of the three. A marginal step up from Aladdin who was the same two, but faked the third to try and get the girl.


Seriously, don't point at Brave and say "Disney's getting better!" That was all Pixar. Pixar's never had that issue.
 
2012-08-27 03:58:24 PM  
Yes.
 
2012-08-27 03:58:43 PM  
blog.pigtailpals.com
First princess that was worth a damn
 
2012-08-27 03:58:55 PM  
More like tranny inspiration.
 
2012-08-27 03:59:27 PM  
Fark Disney.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-27 03:59:43 PM  

Thorak: It's not really fair to call Brave a Disney flick. It's Pixar. Pixar has the stones to tell Disney to piss off and GTFO their writing, and the industry clout to just up and walk if Disney doesn't listen. Heck, they did that, and were wildly succesful on their own.

Tangled was a marginal step forward (Princess' mother still alive), but it still suffers a TON from "princess needs a man to accomplish anything". And he's no better; the one saving grace is that he's not attractive AND good-hearted AND wealthy, just two of the three. A marginal step up from Aladdin who was the same two, but faked the third to try and get the girl.


Seriously, don't point at Brave and say "Disney's getting better!" That was all Pixar. Pixar's never had that issue.


Brave felt more like a Disney movie than a Pixar movie to me. I was thinking that even as I watched it. I think Disney had more influence than you assume.
 
2012-08-27 03:59:43 PM  

Masterstuff: So Brave was an Original idea? As in wasn't directly related to some fairy tale?

I said that I would only watch Disney movies if it had an original story... looks like i'll have to find this in one of the theaters that show old movies around here.


Isn't Toy Story original? I hope so because those are pretty cool movies.
 
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