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(Bay News 9)   Is that a machete strapped to your leg or are you just glad to protest the RNC? At least he didn't come dressed as Batman   (baynews9.com) divider line 77
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2012-08-27 11:05:12 AM
The guy was probably more right than the police. It hasn't really ended up in the lap of the Supreme Court yet, but I'm betting that things like knives, swords, batons, and certainly less-lethal self-defense weapons like pepper spray and stun guns will be protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment.
 
2012-08-27 11:17:18 AM

Deputy: "I got to have the sticks."
Protestor: "No, sir. We actually measured them exactly within the code."
Deputy: "Okay, there's one of two options. I can take the sticks or people can go to jail. I don't want to do that."


Yup. That's law enforcement today.

You're following the law, but they don't like you, so they'll arrest you.
 
2012-08-27 11:21:04 AM
He knows the score.....and gets the women.
 
2012-08-27 11:28:19 AM
You mean that a convention protestor IS A GODDAMN FEDERALE?!
 
2012-08-27 11:31:06 AM

dittybopper: The guy was probably more right than the police. It hasn't really ended up in the lap of the Supreme Court yet, but I'm betting that things like knives, swords, batons, and certainly less-lethal self-defense weapons like pepper spray and stun guns will be protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment.


The guy was in the RNC Event Zone. Like most conventions and similar events they can legally forbid all weapons in the zone, with exceptions for police officers. Many fairgrounds have similar rules regarding weapons too.
 
2012-08-27 11:40:38 AM

Bathia_Mapes: dittybopper: The guy was probably more right than the police. It hasn't really ended up in the lap of the Supreme Court yet, but I'm betting that things like knives, swords, batons, and certainly less-lethal self-defense weapons like pepper spray and stun guns will be protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment.

The guy was in the RNC Event Zone. Like most conventions and similar events they can legally forbid all weapons in the zone, with exceptions for police officers. Many fairgrounds have similar rules regarding weapons too.


At some point, that's likely to change. Perhaps not tomorrow, but as the Second Amendment is increasingly being taken seriously by courts following the Heller and McDonald decisions, the number of places where having a weapon is illegal is going to be very limited. Before Heller and McDonald, the government could essentially pass laws to ban possession of weapons where ever it wanted to, for whatever reason. Now that the Second has been confirmed to be an individual right, and it's been incorporated, those sorts of laws will likely have to pass some sort of enhanced scrutiny, if not strict scrutiny, then intermediate scrutiny. I don't think rational basis is going to cut it anymore.
 
2012-08-27 12:03:51 PM
When machetes are outlawed then only outlaws will have machetes.
 
2012-08-27 12:13:08 PM
Anyone with half a brain will wear a knee supporter and a carry a walking staff to an event like this.

6' of oak beats anything short of a coach gun most of the time. Plus, you can actually lean on it and stuff.
 
2012-08-27 12:15:21 PM

kronicfeld: You mean that a convention protestor IS A GODDAMN FEDERALE?!



Machetes?  We don' need no stinkin' machetes!
 
2012-08-27 01:39:43 PM

dittybopper: Bathia_Mapes: dittybopper: The guy was probably more right than the police. It hasn't really ended up in the lap of the Supreme Court yet, but I'm betting that things like knives, swords, batons, and certainly less-lethal self-defense weapons like pepper spray and stun guns will be protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment.

The guy was in the RNC Event Zone. Like most conventions and similar events they can legally forbid all weapons in the zone, with exceptions for police officers. Many fairgrounds have similar rules regarding weapons too.

At some point, that's likely to change. Perhaps not tomorrow, but as the Second Amendment is increasingly being taken seriously by courts following the Heller and McDonald decisions, the number of places where having a weapon is illegal is going to be very limited. Before Heller and McDonald, the government could essentially pass laws to ban possession of weapons where ever it wanted to, for whatever reason. Now that the Second has been confirmed to be an individual right, and it's been incorporated, those sorts of laws will likely have to pass some sort of enhanced scrutiny, if not strict scrutiny, then intermediate scrutiny. I don't think rational basis is going to cut it anymore.


I was under the impression from earlier articles that guns were allowed as Tampa had no authority to override the state laws regarding arms.

I still don't understand how you could justify lax laws for carrying firearms, but have blade length laws for knives.
 
2012-08-27 01:45:14 PM
And yet having guns is perfectly acceptable. Awesome
 
2012-08-27 01:59:14 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: And yet having guns is perfectly acceptable. Awesome


I rarely see the 2A groups supporting knives or any other thing with a blade.
 
2012-08-27 02:18:51 PM

dr_blasto: Dead for Tax Reasons: And yet having guns is perfectly acceptable. Awesome

I rarely see the 2A groups supporting knives or any other thing with a blade.


That's changing.

Guns were the biggie. Those needed to be established as protected before you could go after the "lesser" sorts of weapons, but there is the beginnings of a recognition that it's not just guns.

I'd also point out that the NRA is a *GUN* rights group, so knives are technically outside of their purview.
 
2012-08-27 02:20:53 PM
TFA:

Deputy: "I got to have the sticks."
Protester: "No, sir. We actually measured them exactly within the code."
Deputy: "Okay, there's one of two options. I can take the sticks or people can go to jail. I don't want to do that."



At least it was just sticks. It could have been something like loganberries or bananas...or dreaded raspberries.
 
2012-08-27 02:28:52 PM
If it was an assault rifle he would have been branded a Patriot.
 
2012-08-27 02:30:36 PM
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Republican protestors are always complete pacifists.
 
2012-08-27 02:31:12 PM
You can bring all the guns you want, sure. But not a machete.
 
2012-08-27 02:31:27 PM
Yet the guy who showed up in Phoenix at an Obama event with an AR15 was okey-dokey?
 
2012-08-27 02:32:23 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: When machetes are outlawed then only outlaws will have machetes.


This is a good thing, actually; when you see a machete, you'll know the guy holding it is up to no good.
 
2012-08-27 02:33:00 PM
Danny Trejo, how could you?!
 
2012-08-27 02:33:08 PM

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Republican protestors are always complete pacifists.


I don't know why Democrats don't start doing the same thing, really. Machetes are cheaper, I suppose, but, maximize the cognitive dissonance, I say. You can always take out the firing pin, if you're a complete pacifist.
 
2012-08-27 02:33:11 PM
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2012-08-27 02:33:55 PM
Given the way Cops/the Media report on types of guns used in crimes, I'm guessing that the machete looked something like this

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2012-08-27 02:34:40 PM
Another person from the left who is out of control.

How come the left isn't whining about the need to outlaw machetes?
 
2012-08-27 02:37:58 PM
So cops in Tampa wear desert fatigues? Is that so the grunts coming directly over from Iraq don't feel too weird in their new jobs?
 
2012-08-27 02:38:50 PM
How many chicken sandwiches was this one carrying?
 
2012-08-27 02:38:53 PM

dittybopper: dr_blasto: Dead for Tax Reasons: And yet having guns is perfectly acceptable. Awesome

I rarely see the 2A groups supporting knives or any other thing with a blade.

That's changing.

Guns were the biggie. Those needed to be established as protected before you could go after the "lesser" sorts of weapons, but there is the beginnings of a recognition that it's not just guns.

I'd also point out that the NRA is a *GUN* rights group, so knives are technically outside of their purview.


That's a really nice dystopian future they have planned for all of us.
 
2012-08-27 02:39:40 PM
It's my right as an American citizen to be able to carry a battle axe into any establishment I choose.
 
2012-08-27 02:40:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Another person from the left who is out of control.

How come the left isn't whining about the need to outlaw machetes?


your guys will outlaw them as soon as one gets used to perform an abortion.....
 
2012-08-27 02:40:23 PM

Lost Thought 00: Given the way Cops/the Media report on types of guns used in crimes, I'm guessing that the machete looked something like this

[www.tofslie.com image 806x309]


It was a spork.
 
2012-08-27 02:43:10 PM

HotWingConspiracy: That's a really nice dystopian future they have planned for all of us.


As opposed to what? Some utopian future?
 
2012-08-27 02:45:21 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: That's a really nice dystopian future they have planned for all of us.

As opposed to what? Some utopian future?


I was hoping for just topian, if I could swing it.
 
2012-08-27 02:47:00 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: That's a really nice dystopian future they have planned for all of us.

As opposed to what? Some utopian future?


I'd settle for anything less than "arm everyone, then let them to shoot first and ask questions later".
 
2012-08-27 02:47:55 PM
At least the group with the sticks didn't get beaten, tazed, maced, or shot.

Besides, the media (aka Faux News) would be unrelenting in their bashing of President Obama if a protester brought a machete into the DNC and was arrested. This is relatively tame.
 
2012-08-27 02:48:51 PM
Hmm....

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That's not a machette, thats a knife. At least it's not a spoon.
 
2012-08-27 02:49:19 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: That's a really nice dystopian future they have planned for all of us.

As opposed to what? Some utopian future?


No.
 
2012-08-27 02:52:42 PM
We captured exclusive video of that exchange.

Deputy: "I got to have the sticks."

Protester: "No, sir. We actually measured them exactly within the code."

Deputy: "Okay, there's one of two options. I can take the sticks or people can go to jail. I don't want to do that."

A Tampa police captain took over, measured the sticks and determined that they were legal.

On the exchange between the deputy and protester, Chief Castor said "there was just a little bit of confusion on it. Whether we should or shouldn't allow those in here and then the Captain made the decision. The right decision."

Community organizer Kelly Benjamin agreed with Chief Castor.

"We have the utmost respect for the police. They're just doing their jobs,"


Except that they weren't. He was there to harass you and prevent you from protesting. Had Fife's captain not showed up, the pepper spray and tasers would have come out. And Fife's captain only showed because media was there.
 
2012-08-27 02:53:05 PM

dittybopper: The guy was probably more right than the police. It hasn't really ended up in the lap of the Supreme Court yet, but I'm betting that things like knives, swords, batons, and certainly less-lethal self-defense weapons like pepper spray and stun guns will be protected under the umbrella of the Second Amendment.


They'd easily fall under the 2nd Amendment since it says "arms" and not "guns".
 
2012-08-27 02:54:13 PM
I guess Republicans don't like the Second Amendment.
 
2012-08-27 02:57:00 PM
That's a kukri, not a machete. (if you want to get technical)
 
2012-08-27 02:57:28 PM

wildcardjack: Hmm....

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That's not a machette, thats a knife. At least it's not a spoon.


I see you've played knifey-spooney before
 
2012-08-27 02:57:56 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's my right as an American citizen to be able to carry a battle axe into any establishment I choose.


And if you have the time and the money for the lawyers, you could fight that all the way to the Supreme Court and you'd probably win.
 
2012-08-27 02:59:49 PM
The left continues to preach a culture of hate through its violent rhetoric. This is pushing people on the margins over the edge and causing them to commit horrific acts.
 
2012-08-27 02:59:50 PM

Muta: And if you have the time and the money for the lawyers, you could fight that all the way to the Supreme Court and you'd probably win.


If only the Koch brothers or Phelps family would spend their time doing this instead of ruining things for everyone.
 
2012-08-27 03:01:26 PM
Aaaaaand I've had enough, Ignored. Add something or don't bother, but trolling is lame.
 
2012-08-27 03:03:14 PM
Oblig:


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2012-08-27 03:03:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: When machetes are outlawed then only outlaws will have machetes.


"You can't legislate morality. Although you can legislate machetes, turns out. Good thing I'm not doing this in Canada."
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2012-08-27 03:04:32 PM
carrying a "full size" machete.

Huh.
 
2012-08-27 03:04:52 PM

LasersHurt: Aaaaaand I've had enough, Ignored. Add something or don't bother, but trolling is lame.


Yeah, pretty lame efforts here so far.
 
2012-08-27 03:04:59 PM

what_now: Deputy: "I got to have the sticks."
Protestor: "No, sir. We actually measured them exactly within the code."
Deputy: "Okay, there's one of two options. I can take the sticks or people can go to jail. I don't want to do that."

Yup. That's law enforcement today.

You're following the law, but they don't like you, so they'll arrest you.


Most people don't know what is or is not against the law. Most people would rather not have an arrest record. The police use that knowledge to their advantage. It often works out for them the gathering is broken up and there isn't any more backlash than the department can't ignore or lawyer away.
 
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