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2012-08-27 08:23:08 AM  
"It's lamentable that people want to do this with their own money and the money of their community,"

Careful lady. You badmouth football in Texas - that's a hanging offense.


/goddamn rednecks
 
2012-08-27 09:27:29 AM  
I feel like I've read about this before somewhere.
 
2012-08-27 09:29:24 AM  
Oh good, it's been like a whole week since we did this last time.

a) it's part of a whole-school upgrade; the people voluntarily paid for that, for a transportation, maintenance, and nutrition center as well as a performing arts center. That's a pretty badass high school if transportation/maintenance means they're actually working on cars, and a $23 million performing arts center is damn nice.

b) the district its in has an average income double that of the rest of the state

c) just because the state is cutting its budget doesn't mean that the city should cancel its projects, which were funded three years ago. It's even stupider to piss away all the money AND not finish construction.

d) the people in the county stepped up for education as well, voting to increase their own property taxes to help make up for the state cuts because the state is incompetent. The state didn't pay for the football stadium; why are they losing so much money? Oh, it's because of things other than football? Let's ignore that.

F*ck, let's keep ignoring ALL the facts so we can be outraged at football, though.
 
2012-08-27 09:41:42 AM  
It is a pretty big high school too with over 5,000 students.

Though it is still twice as size as the Pitt State stadium.
 
2012-08-27 09:55:43 AM  
It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.
 
2012-08-27 10:08:47 AM  

Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.


I'm from Texas, and sadly this is true. If you're not on the team, or affiliated with the team nobody gives 2 chits and a fark about you.
 
2012-08-27 10:09:07 AM  
That's an obscene and offensive amount of money to spend to watch a bunch of 15-18 year olds play a game.

Across town, 3 high schools just chipped in $7M each to build a state-of-the art multipurpose stadium that is EASILY the nicest facility I've even seen in High School and THREE High Schools are using it for Football, Soccer, Track, Lacrosse, Graduations, etc.

For these knuckleheads to spend $60MM for a HS football stadium that is the size of a small D-I program is obscene.

/High School FBall coach
 
2012-08-27 10:11:28 AM  
I'd be interested to see what kind of profits they make on football tickets.
 
2012-08-27 10:31:39 AM  

gopher321: "It's lamentable that people want to do this with their own money and the money of their community,"

Careful lady. You badmouth football in Texas - that's a hanging offense.


/goddamn rednecks


In case you were confused about it: you're a moron.
 
2012-08-27 10:33:52 AM  

you have pee hands: I feel like I've read about this before somewhere.


Repeatedly, even.
 
2012-08-27 10:43:18 AM  

akuma976: Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.

I'm from Texas, and sadly this is true. If you're not on the team, or affiliated with the team nobody gives 2 chits and a fark about you.


I went to a high school in texas funded in part by phillips 66 and it had FANTASTIC science and math departments, and would even rotate out sr. chemical engineers (1 of which was a doctor) to teach chemistry at our school. it was great.

/this was the 90's however.
 
2012-08-27 10:45:39 AM  
If this is the one in Dallas, I'll be there in a few weeks to watch a football game there.
 
2012-08-27 10:57:03 AM  
A more typical Texas H.S. stadium. Link

I drove by this one a few years ago.

Ya gotta have a lot of thick skin to be a 'fighting Sandcrab'.

"Gimme a C... Gimme an R........... what's that spell?................."

/Why, yes, I did LOL
 
2012-08-27 10:57:39 AM  

Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.


I laughed, then I cried.

I wish just a fraction of the money that is spent on sports and entertainment could be diverted to education, but that's not the way this country rolls.
 
2012-08-27 10:58:09 AM  
Pete and Repeat . . .
 
2012-08-27 11:05:39 AM  

Nothing To See Here: Pete and Repeat . . .


*pfft* I think this story might be on it's 4th or 5th go around in recent weeks.
 
2012-08-27 11:11:08 AM  

IAmRight: Oh good, it's been like a whole week since we did this last time.

a) it's part of a whole-school upgrade; the people voluntarily paid for that, for a transportation, maintenance, and nutrition center as well as a performing arts center. That's a pretty badass high school if transportation/maintenance means they're actually working on cars, and a $23 million performing arts center is damn nice.

b) the district its in has an average income double that of the rest of the state

c) just because the state is cutting its budget doesn't mean that the city should cancel its projects, which were funded three years ago. It's even stupider to piss away all the money AND not finish construction.

d) the people in the county stepped up for education as well, voting to increase their own property taxes to help make up for the state cuts because the state is incompetent. The state didn't pay for the football stadium; why are they losing so much money? Oh, it's because of things other than football? Let's ignore that.

F*ck, let's keep ignoring ALL the facts so we can be outraged at football, though.


Methinks thou protest too much.

/Yes, I know I misquoted Shakespeare's Hamlet.
 
2012-08-27 11:12:57 AM  

mjohnson71: Nothing To See Here: Pete and Repeat . . .

*pfft* I think this story might be on it's 4th or 5th go around in recent weeks.


Hell this is right up there with the near daily articles explaining that people will be grumpy about the new start screen in Windows 8.
 
2012-08-27 11:22:09 AM  

ChrisDe: Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.

I laughed, then I cried.

I wish just a fraction of the money that is spent on sports and entertainment could be diverted to education, but that's not the way this country rolls.


We spend 100 billion on education a year... the amount isn't the issue.
 
2012-08-27 11:31:54 AM  

bacongood: ChrisDe: Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.

I laughed, then I cried.

I wish just a fraction of the money that is spent on sports and entertainment could be diverted to education, but that's not the way this country rolls.

We spend 100 billion on education a year... the amount isn't the issue.


Science textbooks that have the Earth's age as 6000 years and pictures of Jesus being friends with a Stegosaurus is the issue.
 
2012-08-27 11:35:44 AM  
Every dollar not spent on a unionized public school teacher is a dollar well spent.
 
2012-08-27 11:41:12 AM  
Will they share the stadium with other schools?

I blame Jerry for this stadium.
 
2012-08-27 11:49:13 AM  
Subby, if you are reading this, please tell the rest of Fark where you are from and why this is asinine
 
2012-08-27 12:02:14 PM  

IAmRight: Oh good, it's been like a whole week since we did this last time.

a) it's part of a whole-school upgrade; the people voluntarily paid for that, for a transportation, maintenance, and nutrition center as well as a performing arts center. That's a pretty badass high school if transportation/maintenance means they're actually working on cars, and a $23 million performing arts center is damn nice.

b) the district its in has an average income double that of the rest of the state

c) just because the state is cutting its budget doesn't mean that the city should cancel its projects, which were funded three years ago. It's even stupider to piss away all the money AND not finish construction.

d) the people in the county stepped up for education as well, voting to increase their own property taxes to help make up for the state cuts because the state is incompetent. The state didn't pay for the football stadium; why are they losing so much money? Oh, it's because of things other than football? Let's ignore that.

F*ck, let's keep ignoring ALL the facts so we can be outraged at football, though.


My son goes to a brand new HS in the richest county in America per capita (Loudoun County VA) the ENTIRE SCHOOL, which has Promethean boards in every classroom, a state of the art Library, more than a dozen computer labs, and yes a gorgeous football stadium with a state-of-the-art turf field and two practice feilds, a soccer field, a baseball field, a lacrosse feild, and two indoor basketball courts/gyms cost $65 Million TOTAL
 
2012-08-27 12:04:00 PM  

Great_Milenko: It was really very affordable. They save a TON by not purchasing science textbooks down there.


Yeah, right. Except for the fact that many school districts in this part of the state don't even use text books anymore. The kids are instead issued Netbooks, on which almost all assignments are completed and uploaded to their teachers.

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and and have others think your're ignorant, as opposed to opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
 
2012-08-27 12:43:52 PM  

Magorn: My son goes to a brand new HS in the richest county in America per capita (Loudoun County VA) the ENTIRE SCHOOL, which has Promethean boards in every classroom, a state of the art Library, more than a dozen computer labs, and yes a gorgeous football stadium with a state-of-the-art turf field and two practice feilds, a soccer field, a baseball field, a lacrosse feild, and two indoor basketball courts/gyms cost $65 Million TOTAL


How big is it? The high school where I went to was recently renovated for $75 million. It's fairly average in every way except size; it's got 2500 students. This school in Texas is twice as big.
 
2012-08-27 12:45:58 PM  

4NTLRZ:
Yeah, right. Except for the fact that many school districts in this part of the state don't even use text books anymore. The kids are instead issued Netbooks, on which almost all assignments are completed and uploaded to their teachers.


If by "many", you mean "a handful of the more affluent districts in the larger urban areas", then yes, you are correct.

+1 for truthiness, I suppose.

Considering that the majority of districts are still trying to figure out how they're going to pay to have enough teachers to keep classroom size at a non-ludicrous (read: Oklahoma) level thanks to the derp coming out of Austin, it's probably going to be a long while before textbooks are eradicated.

/Supports tablets in the classroom
//Knows way too many K-12 educators in Texas
///Wishes that Perry would stay, just once, at a Holiday Inn Express
 
2012-08-27 12:50:57 PM  

IAmRight: Oh good, it's been like a whole week since we did this last time.

a) it's part of a whole-school upgrade; the people voluntarily paid for that, for a transportation, maintenance, and nutrition center as well as a performing arts center. That's a pretty badass high school if transportation/maintenance means they're actually working on cars, and a $23 million performing arts center is damn nice.

b) the district its in has an average income double that of the rest of the state

c) just because the state is cutting its budget doesn't mean that the city should cancel its projects, which were funded three years ago. It's even stupider to piss away all the money AND not finish construction.

d) the people in the county stepped up for education as well, voting to increase their own property taxes to help make up for the state cuts because the state is incompetent. The state didn't pay for the football stadium; why are they losing so much money? Oh, it's because of things other than football? Let's ignore that.

F*ck, let's keep ignoring ALL the facts so we can be outraged at football, though.


Or it could just be that it's ridiculous to spend that type of money on high school athletics regardless of who's paying for it.
 
2012-08-27 01:04:59 PM  

you have pee hands: Magorn: My son goes to a brand new HS in the richest county in America per capita (Loudoun County VA) the ENTIRE SCHOOL, which has Promethean boards in every classroom, a state of the art Library, more than a dozen computer labs, and yes a gorgeous football stadium with a state-of-the-art turf field and two practice feilds, a soccer field, a baseball field, a lacrosse feild, and two indoor basketball courts/gyms cost $65 Million TOTAL

How big is it? The high school where I went to was recently renovated for $75 million. It's fairly average in every way except size; it's got 2500 students. This school in Texas is twice as big.


Tuscarora has 1750 students but the Junior and senior classes are a little smaller than usual because it's only been open for two years . Now leaving aside the utter absurbdity of having 5k Kids in one HS (there are colleges with less people) I'd like to see what percentage of the total budget for the school is represented by this football field. My gut tells me its close on 50%
 
2012-08-27 01:09:54 PM  

Lou Brown: Or it could just be that it's ridiculous to spend that type of money on high school athletics regardless of who's paying for it.


Complaining about that is the same as saying "stop liking what I don't like" and makes you look like an idiot.

Magorn: Tuscarora has 1750 students but the Junior and senior classes are a little smaller than usual because it's only been open for two years .


What the hell is up with the population explosion there? I was looking to find the school to verify your claims and they've put up EIGHT high schools in the district since 2000?
 
2012-08-27 01:10:23 PM  

matthew_m_g: 4NTLRZ:
Yeah, right. Except for the fact that many school districts in this part of the state don't even use text books anymore. The kids are instead issued Netbooks, on which almost all assignments are completed and uploaded to their teachers.


If by "many", you mean "a handful of the more affluent districts in the larger urban areas", then yes, you are correct.

+1 for truthiness, I suppose.

Considering that the majority of districts are still trying to figure out how they're going to pay to have enough teachers to keep classroom size at a non-ludicrous (read: Oklahoma) level thanks to the derp coming out of Austin, it's probably going to be a long while before textbooks are eradicated.

/Supports tablets in the classroom
//Knows way too many K-12 educators in Texas
///Wishes that Perry would stay, just once, at a Holiday Inn Express


Well, most of the ISDs in this part of the state are on the affluent side of things, I suppose. The ones that are really having trouble are the larger ISDs like Dallas & Ft. Worth.

What I'm noticing is that textbooks are quickly being phased out for the electronic alternative, which is good for the kids. I have kids at all levels; one in elementary, one middle schooler & a high school junior . My middle and high schoolers do nearly all of their assignments on the Netbook/tablet and my elementary schooler does quite a bit in his computer lab. They are learning to use the available technology because that's what they'll use in the real world, so it's practical/common sesnical.
 
2012-08-27 01:15:37 PM  

Magorn: you have pee hands: Magorn: My son goes to a brand new HS in the richest county in America per capita (Loudoun County VA) the ENTIRE SCHOOL, which has Promethean boards in every classroom, a state of the art Library, more than a dozen computer labs, and yes a gorgeous football stadium with a state-of-the-art turf field and two practice feilds, a soccer field, a baseball field, a lacrosse feild, and two indoor basketball courts/gyms cost $65 Million TOTAL

How big is it? The high school where I went to was recently renovated for $75 million. It's fairly average in every way except size; it's got 2500 students. This school in Texas is twice as big.

Tuscarora has 1750 students but the Junior and senior classes are a little smaller than usual because it's only been open for two years . Now leaving aside the utter absurbdity of having 5k Kids in one HS (there are colleges with less people) I'd like to see what percentage of the total budget for the school is represented by this football field. My gut tells me its close on 50%


You could... you know... look it up.

Not that it matters, this money was raised by bond and not part of the budget. And how come nobody is complaining about the $23.3 million auditorium?
 
2012-08-27 01:17:13 PM  

Magorn: Tuscarora has 1750 students but the Junior and senior classes are a little smaller than usual because it's only been open for two years . Now leaving aside the utter absurbdity of having 5k Kids in one HS (there are colleges with less people) I'd like to see what percentage of the total budget for the school is represented by this football field. My gut tells me its close on 50%


May well be half, I was just surprised you were able to get a school up for $65M, especially in an expensive area.

As an aside, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with a big high school. High schoolers always want to know each other's business but with 5000 kids that's hard to do.
 
2012-08-27 01:19:07 PM  
Waaaaaaaaaaah how come some school district, that I don't have the slightest connection to, isn't gonna spend their money the way I want them to!? This is an outrage!

Claude the Dog: I'd be interested to see what kind of profits they make on football tickets.


I'd wager a guess that it's a metric assload. They're going to fill that stadium up every Friday night. And the concessions will most likely be run by other school clubs to raise money for non-football things. Everyone benefits. And I'm guessing that that stadium will be around for a very long time. It's not like they built it to last a year and then they're gonna raze it and build another one.
 
2012-08-27 01:22:39 PM  

Di Atribe: It's not like they built it to last a year and then they're gonna raze it and build another one.


THAT would be the ultimate f*ck you to everyone who complains.
 
2012-08-27 01:26:59 PM  

Di Atribe: ....And I'm guessing that that stadium will be around for a very long time. It's not like they built it to last a year and then they're gonna raze it and build another one.


100% correct. It's going to be around for a very, very long time. By way of comparison, I played all of my Jr. High & High School ball at John Clark Field. It was built in 1977, has a capcity of 14,000+, was a monstrosity way back then and is still in use today.
 
2012-08-27 01:33:45 PM  

IAmRight: Lou Brown: Or it could just be that it's ridiculous to spend that type of money on high school athletics regardless of who's paying for it.

Complaining about that is the same as saying "stop liking what I don't like" and makes you look like an idiot.

Magorn: Tuscarora has 1750 students but the Junior and senior classes are a little smaller than usual because it's only been open for two years .

What the hell is up with the population explosion there? I was looking to find the school to verify your claims and they've put up EIGHT high schools in the district since 2000?


It IS amazing how quickly they are going up. This one's only been open two years and already there's one set to open next year that cut the district roughly in half (it has the Football coaches distraught).

The population explosion can be explained by the fact that Leesburg's southern border is more or less the border that spearates Northern VA from "real" Va. this means that we are officially a Washington Dc Exurb (I live there and work a block from the White House thanks to a commuter bus line the county runs) but one where the pre-bubble housing price madness was not as severe. As a result, a lot of people got pushed out this way when houses in Ashburn started climbing from 300K in 2000 to about 700K by 2006 for the same house.
 
2012-08-27 01:58:58 PM  
BTW, this is a good example of narrative-driven media.

You see, we've gone with the "football is the most important thing" in Texas, so we'll ignore the $23 million performing arts center (which would be more expensive than most cities' performing arts centers). We'll ignore the other improvements ($30+ million worth) and the fact that the same people that voted for the bonds that funded this also voted to increase their property taxes in order to raise $10 million/year for education.

We'll just discuss the football stadium so we can talk about how out-of-whack their priorities are, get outraged, and masturbate ourselves to sleep feeling like we're better than someone else.
 
2012-08-27 02:32:58 PM  
I am cool with the people of Allen Texas putting up the cash for all those improvements, but i still balk at the Idea of any High school no matter how large needing a $60 million dollar stadium. The likely could have done nicely with one cost a tenth of that cost, i would like to assume the Stadium has some damn fine locker and training rooms for the home team and hoping an equally nice locker room for the visitors,although given this is Texas its likely a step down from the home teams but still hopefully nice.
 
2012-08-27 02:38:38 PM  

grimlock1972: I am cool with the people of Allen Texas putting up the cash for all those improvements, but i still balk at the Idea of any High school no matter how large needing a $60 million dollar stadium. The likely could have done nicely with one cost a tenth of that cost, i would like to assume the Stadium has some damn fine locker and training rooms for the home team and hoping an equally nice locker room for the visitors,although given this is Texas its likely a step down from the home teams but still hopefully nice.


Lots of people, schools, etc have things they don't "need." Believe it or not, this stadium is a long term investment. And like IAmRight explained above, they did invest in other things.
 
2012-08-27 04:28:32 PM  
What a sad place that must be. The only thing of interest for people there is watching teenagers, and not even their own, play a game.
 
2012-08-27 04:33:35 PM  

LemSkroob: What a sad place that must be. The only thing of interest for people there is watching teenagers, and not even their own, play a game.


Yeah. Real bummer about getting the entire community together every Friday night to have fun. What a sad existence that must be. I bet all they do is cry into their nachos. Sadly.
 
2012-08-27 05:11:10 PM  

LemSkroob: What a sad place that must be. The only thing of interest for people there is watching teenagers, and not even their own, play a game.


I think it's a bit extreme but being part of a huge metroplex means there is plenty to do. This is just something they enjoy.

What bothers me more here is that they keep the schools enormous largely because it improves the talent pool for the football team. I do not believe a high school should have 5,000 students.
 
2012-08-27 05:30:47 PM  

Di Atribe: Waaaaaaaaaaah how come some school district, that I don't have the slightest connection to, isn't gonna spend their money the way I want them to!? This is an outrage!

Claude the Dog: I'd be interested to see what kind of profits they make on football tickets.

I'd wager a guess that it's a metric assload. They're going to fill that stadium up every Friday night. And the concessions will most likely be run by other school clubs to raise money for non-football things. Everyone benefits. And I'm guessing that that stadium will be around for a very long time. It's not like they built it to last a year and then they're gonna raze it and build another one.


The thing is, maybe it was just a halftime or pregame video clip, but when they showed it on the news this weekend, it looked like there was maybe a hundred people from the endzone on towards the "away" side of the field. Like I said, don't know what the attendance was, but it didn't look good.
 
2012-08-27 05:55:37 PM  

Di Atribe: grimlock1972: I am cool with the people of Allen Texas putting up the cash for all those improvements, but i still balk at the Idea of any High school no matter how large needing a $60 million dollar stadium. The likely could have done nicely with one cost a tenth of that cost, i would like to assume the Stadium has some damn fine locker and training rooms for the home team and hoping an equally nice locker room for the visitors,although given this is Texas its likely a step down from the home teams but still hopefully nice.

Lots of people, schools, etc have things they don't "need." Believe it or not, this stadium is a long term investment. And like IAmRight explained above, they did invest in other things.


I saw that and i said all those improvements , not meaning just the stadium. I realize it is for long term but to me $60 million is too much to spend on a high school stadium , small to mid size college yes but for a high school it just seems ludicrous, but in the end it was the people of the town desired.
 
2012-08-27 06:11:56 PM  

FriarReb98: The thing is, maybe it was just a halftime or pregame video clip, but when they showed it on the news this weekend, it looked like there was maybe a hundred people from the endzone on towards the "away" side of the field. Like I said, don't know what the attendance was, but it didn't look good.


I saw the same clip. I don't think it's terribly rare for high schools to do a sort of show-off thing, whether they have a new stadium or not. It lets the band & cheerleaders have a dress rehearsal for the parents. I kinda did the same "wha?" thing, too. Their first game is this Friday night, so it was certainly not for a game.
 
2012-08-27 06:20:02 PM  
It's f*cking high school football. That's all it is. A game played by teenagers. While it's great that not all the money was spent on that stadium, it's an obscenely expensive high school football venue. People are free to spend tax money as they wish, but just because it was a free choice doesn't mean it was an intelligent one. They could have more than met the needs of a high school football program for tens of millions less. Whacked out priorities.
 
2012-08-27 06:21:47 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: It's f*cking high school football. That's all it is. A game played by teenagers. While it's great that not all the money was spent on that stadium, it's an obscenely expensive high school football venue. People are free to spend tax money as they wish, but just because it was a free choice doesn't mean it was an intelligent one. They could have more than met the needs of a high school football program for tens of millions less. Whacked out priorities.


Actually, it was bond money. And the stadium is intended for use all year round, with facilities for all sports, not just football. I dunno, seems like a silly thing to be outraged about.
 
2012-08-27 06:33:51 PM  

Di Atribe: themeaningoflifeisnot: It's f*cking high school football. That's all it is. A game played by teenagers. While it's great that not all the money was spent on that stadium, it's an obscenely expensive high school football venue. People are free to spend tax money as they wish, but just because it was a free choice doesn't mean it was an intelligent one. They could have more than met the needs of a high school football program for tens of millions less. Whacked out priorities.

Actually, it was bond money. And the stadium is intended for use all year round, with facilities for all sports, not just football. I dunno, seems like a silly thing to be outraged about.


You're telling me that they couldn't have built a much, much cheaper stadium that is still top notch and diverted the balance to education initiatives from K right through 12?

Check out the educational stats on the high school. It sucks academically. There are 3900+ students at Allen, and it's ranked below the 50th percentile in comparison to other TX high schools, yet they're throwing $60 million into a high school football venue. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
2012-08-27 06:40:28 PM  

Devo: Will they share the stadium with other schools?

I blame Jerry for this stadium.


You've seen the shower?? are they no open enough??
 
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