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2012-08-27 07:57:55 AM
10 votes:
So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?
2012-08-27 08:26:39 AM
5 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


Penalties for "allegations" should worry everyone.

Since the media companies are so dead set on bringing this unconstitutional bs into law, I now believe it's our patriotic duty to cut off their sources of income. As far as I'm concerned, they are domestic enemies.
2012-08-27 08:06:03 AM
5 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


LOL.

Sure. No one ever abuses power....
2012-08-27 08:04:03 AM
5 votes:

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


Yes. They're going to keep slinging shiat at the wall until something finally sticks and they get the neverending copyright/legal intrusive snitching system they really want. SOPA imploded. This might. Maybe the next one and the one after that will too. But eventually, they're going to get something passed.
2012-08-27 08:09:52 AM
4 votes:
From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.


Can't really add anything to that.
2012-08-27 12:50:08 PM
3 votes:
If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

First they came for the blacks, and I said nothing because I was not black.

Then they came for the copyright infringers, and I said nothing because I was not a copyright infringer.

Then they came for the ??? ...
2012-08-27 09:15:38 AM
3 votes:
signed != ratified by congress, subby.

Evil legislation like this thrives on obscurity. Thanks, EFF.
2012-08-27 08:18:55 AM
3 votes:
And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.
2012-08-27 08:10:47 AM
3 votes:

cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?


Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.
2012-08-27 02:02:35 PM
2 votes:
* Three-strikes policies and laws that require Internet intermediaries to terminate their users' Internet access on repeat allegations of copyright infringement

Dear governing body,

I have it on good authority that NBC Universal, Viacom, Disney, CBS, News Cop, Time Warner, and Sony America have each infringed on three of my copyrights. I have no physical evidence of this, but I would like to allege it. Actually, I'd like to allege it three times.
2012-08-27 12:12:35 PM
2 votes:
Mwelp, I guess I ought to get going studying DarkNet.
2012-08-27 11:35:28 AM
2 votes:
OhioKnight: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.

Umm, what?

Sorry dude, but thats just an urban legend. The "law of the land" treaty portion was written when the word "treaty" had a more broad sense, as in not just foreign treaties with nations, but also printed publications and the like.


I stand corrected: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Cover
2012-08-27 09:37:13 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Tumunga: THIS is happening on your watch, farklibtards.

/vote Obamacare.

You're not helping

mod3072: maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.

This. Stop blindly supporting your side, idiots. Yes, I am talking to you if you always vote for a certain party


Anyone that pays attention to politics AND has read the constitution AND is anything other than a libertarian might be retarded.
2012-08-27 08:47:04 AM
2 votes:

way south: I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.


Here is a life tip

If politicians are trying to pass it. It will actively try to destroy you.

/doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit on.
2012-08-27 08:45:26 AM
2 votes:

cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet



The EFF are hardly conspiracy nuts.
2012-08-27 08:40:46 AM
2 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


See how the current DMCA is being abused by certain groups to silence free speech, false take down requests are especially rampant with activist videos on you tube. While copyright enforcement is very important, so is a little thing called due process.
2012-08-27 08:24:02 AM
2 votes:

lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.


Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.


I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.
2012-08-27 08:22:34 AM
2 votes:
Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?
2012-08-27 08:17:13 AM
2 votes:

cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet


Perhaps - but in this case, we neddn't speculate. The terms of this agreement are spelled out in detail in TFA.
So - do you approve of the provisions described therein - or not?
2012-08-27 08:15:53 AM
2 votes:
Gah. New Zealand is in on this too. Our copyright term is life of the author + 50 years. This would extend it out to +75 years. Fark that.
2012-08-27 08:14:14 AM
2 votes:

RockofAges: we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


How can you stare down its barrel, when it is already here?
2012-08-27 08:08:27 AM
2 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


But for the legal teams and their poorly constructed spiders that send take down notices for people posting bird songs.
2012-08-27 08:08:12 AM
2 votes:

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.


And people say corporations don't run this country. Both parties are bought by corporations.
2012-08-27 08:01:06 AM
2 votes:

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.
2012-08-27 08:00:35 AM
2 votes:
Regulators of all stripes: please stop farking with ISPs. I have limited enough options as it is, to find someone actually paying attention to keeping things workin*** NO CARRIER
2012-08-28 02:44:09 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

Penalties for "allegations" should worry everyone.

Since the media companies are so dead set on bringing this unconstitutional bs into law, I now believe it's our patriotic duty to cut off their sources of income. As far as I'm concerned, they are domestic enemies.


Waay ahead of you I rarely watch t.v. anymore but not everyone is as plugged in as we are. We keep forgetting the internet is used for Facebook, recipes, email, shopping and porn for some people.
2012-08-28 02:07:37 PM
1 votes:

SwingDancer: poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

absolutely. My thoughts. It's not like forwarding an email would fall under this. Oh wait. Yes it does, as the creator of the original email, i retain all reproduction rights, you as the receiver have 0 rights to my intellectual work. Forward 3 of my emails. thats a internet banning for you, have a nice day.


Don't even need that, look at the mess from a few years back. An FTP site was being C&D by Microsoft's attack firm. Their little robot had got in to the site and found a version of Office. For FedoraCore. In a handy RPM format. Prefixed by the word Open.

The attack firms solution to this problem was to ignore the fact their spider had got it wrong and continue sending C&D's, notice of intended prosecutions and a polite note that they weren't going to change the bot's behaviour to white list shiat, so you'd better just take it down.

One of these robots goes bonkers or isn't configured correctly, you loose your internet. Hell it's just a notice of potentially infringing material you don't need to prove anything, so if someone on-line pisses you off and you have their IP... *boomboomboom* bye bye sucker.
2012-08-28 08:07:36 AM
1 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


absolutely. My thoughts. It's not like forwarding an email would fall under this. Oh wait. Yes it does, as the creator of the original email, i retain all reproduction rights, you as the receiver have 0 rights to my intellectual work. Forward 3 of my emails. thats a internet banning for you, have a nice day.
2012-08-27 08:53:18 PM
1 votes:
Holy mother of Doctorow, here we go again...
2012-08-27 06:58:56 PM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: This.


Good comic but it missed the best one: "This content is not available in your location..." In the examples in the comic, the show wasn't available anywhere. But a couple of weeks ago, I googled a show I wanted to see, was directed to iTunes and there, credit card in hand, was told I couldn't buy it, because I'm not in the U.S., but that ignored third-world dump called Canada not worth selling anything to.

What possible reason, other than having one's pointy-haired coiff firmly inserted in one's managerial ass, or wanting to encourage piracy so as to whine about it, could there be to turn away a paying customer from an all-digital purchase like this?
2012-08-27 04:12:06 PM
1 votes:

Mr.Tangent: Cpl.D: We the people

We the Corporations


I won't say the idea that Romney is pro big business is right or wrong but there's something we all need to be aware of. This is our US Vice President and Department of Justice:

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Joe Biden: Is accused of personally ordering the illegal shutdown of Megaupload, urged the criminal prosecutions of copyright-infringing peer-to-peer users and tried to create a new federal felony involving playing unauthorized music
Tom Perrelli: 3rd in command of the DoJ. Sued Jammie Thomas for 1.9 million dollars for sharing 24 songs on a peer-to-peer network, worked for the RIAA suing college students.
Donald Verrilli: Killed Grokster, sued Google for a one billion (yes with a "B") dollars on behalf of Viacom, convinced a judge that "making copyrighted sound recordings available for electronic distribution on a peer-to-peer network" violated the law even if nothing had actually been transferred.
Neil MacBride: Oversaw the creation of the program that rewarded people for phoning tips about suspected software piracy.
David Ogden: Organized the defense of the Child Online Protection Act (anti-Internet porn law), defended the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. 

"So? I don't pirate anything. Let 'em put the law breakers in jail." you may say. These are the guys who came up with ACTA, SOPA, PIPA and who knows what else we don't know about yet. If they get their way they will annihilate your right to privacy and regulate your freedom of speech on the Internet just to make sure the multi-billion dollar music, TV and movie industries make even more money than they already are. What will they be doing in the next four years when they know their boss no longer has to worry about re-election?
2012-08-27 02:48:45 PM
1 votes:
So it'll have tiny balls, and a bad temper?

Can't we come up with some other pharmaceutical reference when being hyperbolic?

"IT'LL BE LIKE SOPA, ON 50mg OF GENERIC FOR ADDERALL."
2012-08-27 01:52:45 PM
1 votes:

ontariolightning: Canadians resisted the last internet surveillance bill because the guy (Vic Toews) said you are either with the child pornographers or you're with the government in passing the bill, well that didn't sit well with anybody. But it seems like they are going to give it another go. We'll see if the reaction is the same I guess.


Can't blame him. It worked for Andrew Cuomo.
2012-08-27 12:55:59 PM
1 votes:
Canadians resisted the last internet surveillance bill because the guy (Vic Toews) said you are either with the child pornographers or you're with the government in passing the bill, well that didn't sit well with anybody. But it seems like they are going to give it another go. We'll see if the reaction is the same I guess.
2012-08-27 12:50:42 PM
1 votes:

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


Basically yes. Get used to this.
2012-08-27 12:48:19 PM
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.

These lobbyists don't realize they're being bilked by the congressvolk. It's like the abortion issue was until shiat got real last year.


The funny thing is that they've convinced you that "shiat got real" on the abortion issue last year.
2012-08-27 12:43:35 PM
1 votes:
If it were for the good of the citizens, why would it need to be done in secret?
2012-08-27 12:32:54 PM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Mwelp, I guess I ought to get going studying DarkNet.


And that's what most people will eventually do.

In fact, once darknet is forced into the mainstream, not only will everyone steal data consequence free, the media companies will have given terrorists a vast untraceable communications network. Unintended consequences, how do they work?
2012-08-27 12:30:41 PM
1 votes:

kgf: OH NO!! If they start regulating the internet like this, I may have to start actually paying for the stuff I want!!! Then I'd have to get a job!!!

NOOOOOOOOOO!


1. We allege you have stolen our content. That you haven't doesn't matter; we allege it anyway because you're using a lot of the internets and we need that oversold bandwidth for more customers. Anyway, we're cutting you off. Toodles.

2. This.
kgf
2012-08-27 12:25:52 PM
1 votes:
OH NO!! If they start regulating the internet like this, I may have to start actually paying for the stuff I want!!! Then I'd have to get a job!!!

NOOOOOOOOOO!
2012-08-27 12:23:28 PM
1 votes:
My biggest problem with this is it assumes that repeated allegations equate to fact. I can argue over and over again that martians have eaten my brains and replaced them with Bulls testicles (they have) but no matter how many times I make the allegations, it doesn't make it TRUE. If you use that form of truth for the basis of your penalties, that's a system primed for abuses of the worst kind.

\bull testicles.
2012-08-27 11:41:40 AM
1 votes:

OhioKnight: OhioKnight: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.

Umm, what?

Sorry dude, but thats just an urban legend. The "law of the land" treaty portion was written when the word "treaty" had a more broad sense, as in not just foreign treaties with nations, but also printed publications and the like.

I stand corrected: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Cover


Oh. And may I add that I've never been more pleased to find a long-held belief to be mistaken.
2012-08-27 11:12:35 AM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: I cannot wait to see how Fark partisans defend their guy supporting this shiat.


This shiat is indefensible.
2012-08-27 10:22:29 AM
1 votes:

nmemkha: Add Democracy to the governments that we have tried and failed. Humans are too lazy, apathetic, and collectively stupid to rule themselves.


The only problem with Democracy is that it requires an INFORMED constituents. On a side note, that's why issues like this are all the more serious.

On the other hand, a Republic, like we have here in the US, requires that the elected representatives actually REPRESENT the interests of their constituents. I'll even grant that what is good for the people isn't always popular. However, when you get to the point where elected officials only look out for themselves and their cronies... well, you get what we have today.

In fact, most forms of government are perfectly good. It's just that each and every one that I've ever seen rests on a single lynch pin. With Democracy it's informed decision making. With a Republic it's benevolence. With Communism it's selflessness.

Generally speaking, all forms of government work fairly well until greed and selfishness rise to power. I don't know that an effective way has ever been found to clean house. Other than fire and bullets.
2012-08-27 10:00:27 AM
1 votes:
There used to be a saying. "No taxation without representation." Remember that one? Take a good hard look at the people "representing" us in Washington DC. All of them filthy rich. The rich are the smallest minority in this country, and have the majority of the wealth. Is this accurate representation of the average American?

No.
2012-08-27 09:33:30 AM
1 votes:
mytdawg
2012-08-27 08:09:52 AM

From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

^This. Exactly.
2012-08-27 09:23:41 AM
1 votes:

omnipotent_speck: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is self-sustaining; on one side, a conspiracy nut will take a modest innovation and stretch it to some extreme end to sell their own kind of snake oil. On the other side, an industry-shaper will occasionally stumble upon some of these ridiculous rants and think "Hey, that's not a bad idea! Let's see how far we can push that!" Cycle rinse, repeat.

As far as what the end goal of it all is, I'd have to say it's something a little more simple than global enslavement of the masses. In all likelihood, the only goal here is complete and total user-pay, every time, all the time. I've no doubt in my mind that if a mechanism could be installed to bill everyone in earshot a fee for listening to your copyrighted ringtone, someone would try to get away with it.


It was called DIVX.

I'm sure its time will come 'round again.
2012-08-27 09:18:30 AM
1 votes:

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


The problem is self-sustaining; on one side, a conspiracy nut will take a modest innovation and stretch it to some extreme end to sell their own kind of snake oil. On the other side, an industry-shaper will occasionally stumble upon some of these ridiculous rants and think "Hey, that's not a bad idea! Let's see how far we can push that!" Cycle rinse, repeat.

As far as what the end goal of it all is, I'd have to say it's something a little more simple than global enslavement of the masses. In all likelihood, the only goal here is complete and total user-pay, every time, all the time. I've no doubt in my mind that if a mechanism could be installed to bill everyone in earshot a fee for listening to your copyrighted ringtone, someone would try to get away with it.
2012-08-27 09:17:11 AM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: way south: I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.

Here is a life tip

If politicians are trying to pass it. It will actively try to destroy you.

/doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit on.


Depressingly true...

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." -I forgot who said that.
2012-08-27 09:16:08 AM
1 votes:
Unless other big corporations can bribe enough congresspeople to keep the status-quo it will eventually pass. Nobody in power likes an internet that doesn't allow them to control the message.
2012-08-27 09:15:42 AM
1 votes:

cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?


I don't know but he just might be right.

Since there are few due process provisions this would be a great tool for business to use to silence critics.
2012-08-27 09:04:03 AM
1 votes:

maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?


It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.
2012-08-27 08:54:58 AM
1 votes:

Cpl.D: We the people

We the Corporations


i1105.photobucket.com
2012-08-27 08:48:42 AM
1 votes:
We the people

We the Corporations
2012-08-27 08:48:10 AM
1 votes:
Ok..Doubling down...From this moment on..The letter "J" is (C) Mr. Shabooboo Inc...

Pay up you bastards or no more J's
2012-08-27 08:40:10 AM
1 votes:
I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.
2012-08-27 08:27:44 AM
1 votes:
I'd be ok with robust copyright laws if they expressly forbid things like automated takedown notice generators. That bit with the Mars probe landing getting taken down due to some news station's crawler flagging it was a great example in the absurd. The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain. To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.
2012-08-27 08:13:00 AM
1 votes:

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet
2012-08-27 08:10:04 AM
1 votes:

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


8.5/10

Almost bit
2012-08-27 08:05:30 AM
1 votes:

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.


These lobbyists don't realize they're being bilked by the congressvolk. It's like the abortion issue was until shiat got real last year.
2012-08-27 08:04:35 AM
1 votes:
So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?
 
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