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2012-08-27 07:57:55 AM
So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?
 
2012-08-27 08:00:35 AM
Regulators of all stripes: please stop farking with ISPs. I have limited enough options as it is, to find someone actually paying attention to keeping things workin*** NO CARRIER
 
2012-08-27 08:01:06 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.
 
2012-08-27 08:01:37 AM
If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.
 
2012-08-27 08:04:03 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


Yes. They're going to keep slinging shiat at the wall until something finally sticks and they get the neverending copyright/legal intrusive snitching system they really want. SOPA imploded. This might. Maybe the next one and the one after that will too. But eventually, they're going to get something passed.
 
2012-08-27 08:04:35 AM
So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?
 
2012-08-27 08:05:30 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.


These lobbyists don't realize they're being bilked by the congressvolk. It's like the abortion issue was until shiat got real last year.
 
2012-08-27 08:06:03 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


LOL.

Sure. No one ever abuses power....
 
2012-08-27 08:08:12 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.


And people say corporations don't run this country. Both parties are bought by corporations.
 
2012-08-27 08:08:27 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


But for the legal teams and their poorly constructed spiders that send take down notices for people posting bird songs.
 
2012-08-27 08:09:52 AM
From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.


Can't really add anything to that.
 
2012-08-27 08:10:04 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


8.5/10

Almost bit
 
2012-08-27 08:10:47 AM

cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?


Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.
 
2012-08-27 08:13:00 AM

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet
 
2012-08-27 08:14:14 AM

RockofAges: we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


How can you stare down its barrel, when it is already here?
 
2012-08-27 08:15:53 AM
Gah. New Zealand is in on this too. Our copyright term is life of the author + 50 years. This would extend it out to +75 years. Fark that.
 
2012-08-27 08:17:13 AM

cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet


Perhaps - but in this case, we neddn't speculate. The terms of this agreement are spelled out in detail in TFA.
So - do you approve of the provisions described therein - or not?
 
2012-08-27 08:18:55 AM
And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.
 
2012-08-27 08:20:52 AM
I have no problem with this, as long as there's a minimum statutory damages for wrongful alleged infringement of 1 billion USD.
 
2012-08-27 08:21:35 AM
I only pirate things I don't like, so the companies lose money and stop making those things. If I find out someone's pirating something I do happen to like, I rat on them.
 
2012-08-27 08:22:34 AM
Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?
 
2012-08-27 08:23:18 AM

jso2897: cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet

Perhaps - but in this case, we neddn't speculate. The terms of this agreement are spelled out in detail in TFA.
So - do you approve of the provisions described therein - or not?


How do we even know if this is real? Its a "leak", which means that it could have been just made by a random dude off the Internet who wants to push their own agenda.

As for its contents, it does have a big bite that may be a bit hard to ignore if it is real. However, no one bats an eye when people who are pirating cable or satellite get raided or sued.
 
2012-08-27 08:24:02 AM

lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.


Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.


I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.
 
2012-08-27 08:26:39 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


Penalties for "allegations" should worry everyone.

Since the media companies are so dead set on bringing this unconstitutional bs into law, I now believe it's our patriotic duty to cut off their sources of income. As far as I'm concerned, they are domestic enemies.
 
2012-08-27 08:27:44 AM
I'd be ok with robust copyright laws if they expressly forbid things like automated takedown notice generators. That bit with the Mars probe landing getting taken down due to some news station's crawler flagging it was a great example in the absurd. The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain. To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.
 
2012-08-27 08:33:43 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


I don't know, there were an awful lot of "allegeds" in there. Unless the story wasn't quoting verbatim and was slanted by the writer to generate outrage.

Nawwww, that never happens. You're fine, citizen. Now sit back and enjoy your government approved entertainment feed. Our records show that you need to make up a few hours. You haven't been viewing unapproved materials, have you?
 
2012-08-27 08:34:33 AM
And incredibly, with one of the most important things to ever happen to our society on our doorstep, people don't even twitch. This is so much more than SOPA and should be stopped. Alas, the people are a bunch of dimwits.
 
2012-08-27 08:36:05 AM
There is no way this could possibly be abused.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:10 AM
I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:46 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


See how the current DMCA is being abused by certain groups to silence free speech, false take down requests are especially rampant with activist videos on you tube. While copyright enforcement is very important, so is a little thing called due process.
 
2012-08-27 08:42:06 AM

pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.


But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?
 
2012-08-27 08:45:04 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?


Lol, true, they are people after all. But think how happy the lawyers will be with all that litigation. It all balances out.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:26 AM

cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet



The EFF are hardly conspiracy nuts.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:46 AM

pag1107: The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain


Wanted: One Lobotomized Human.
 
2012-08-27 08:46:34 AM

Great Janitor: lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.

Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.


beers are made by corporations, making you part of the problem!
 
2012-08-27 08:47:04 AM

way south: I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.


Here is a life tip

If politicians are trying to pass it. It will actively try to destroy you.

/doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit on.
 
2012-08-27 08:48:10 AM
Ok..Doubling down...From this moment on..The letter "J" is (C) Mr. Shabooboo Inc...

Pay up you bastards or no more J's
 
2012-08-27 08:48:42 AM
We the people

We the Corporations
 
2012-08-27 08:51:41 AM

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?


Most of the conspiracy theories assume our elected leaders are both evil and stupid.

The problem is they are only half-right.
 
2012-08-27 08:53:52 AM
It obviously has little to do with copyright infringement and everything to do with installing the monitoring infrastructure.
 
2012-08-27 08:54:58 AM

Cpl.D: We the people

We the Corporations


i1105.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-27 09:00:07 AM

poe_zlaw: If you Romney arent stealing other peoples' property doesn't have anything to hide you have he has nothing to worry about.

 

fixt!
 
2012-08-27 09:04:03 AM

maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?


It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.
 
2012-08-27 09:04:04 AM
It's cute how they think the entire planet will unite to round up people who copy Mickey and Nickelback and send them all to gitmo. It must be great to have nothing else to worry about.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:28 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?


And these corporations are people so they must have feelings liike people! I personally am done fighting the system. I'm just never having children and I encourage all of you to not care anymore either. They want us docile or apathetic or both.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:29 AM
THIS is happening on your watch, farklibtards.

/vote Obamacare.
 
2012-08-27 09:08:37 AM

mod3072: maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.


I say the following all the time : it is where the r's and d's agree on things that we should really worry about. Too bad they do everything in their power to keep us focused on bipartisan issues which have almost no room for compromise: like abortion, death penalty, war on drugs, gay marriage, etc..
 
2012-08-27 09:09:35 AM

Tumunga: [thread shiat]


Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-08-27 09:10:13 AM
Seems that bribes and patronage is still going strong in our (US) Government.

Corporations and special interests (lobbyists) are now "the people", and not the regular citizens of this country.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:59 AM

Great Janitor: lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.

Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.


Another round is on me!
 
2012-08-27 09:12:48 AM
Add Democracy to the governments that we have tried and failed. Humans are too lazy, apathetic, and collectively stupid to rule themselves.
 
2012-08-27 09:15:38 AM
signed != ratified by congress, subby.

Evil legislation like this thrives on obscurity. Thanks, EFF.
 
2012-08-27 09:15:42 AM

cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?


I don't know but he just might be right.

Since there are few due process provisions this would be a great tool for business to use to silence critics.
 
2012-08-27 09:16:08 AM
Unless other big corporations can bribe enough congresspeople to keep the status-quo it will eventually pass. Nobody in power likes an internet that doesn't allow them to control the message.
 
2012-08-27 09:17:11 AM

fluffy2097: way south: I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.

Here is a life tip

If politicians are trying to pass it. It will actively try to destroy you.

/doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit on.


Depressingly true...

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." -I forgot who said that.
 
2012-08-27 09:18:30 AM

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.


The problem is self-sustaining; on one side, a conspiracy nut will take a modest innovation and stretch it to some extreme end to sell their own kind of snake oil. On the other side, an industry-shaper will occasionally stumble upon some of these ridiculous rants and think "Hey, that's not a bad idea! Let's see how far we can push that!" Cycle rinse, repeat.

As far as what the end goal of it all is, I'd have to say it's something a little more simple than global enslavement of the masses. In all likelihood, the only goal here is complete and total user-pay, every time, all the time. I've no doubt in my mind that if a mechanism could be installed to bill everyone in earshot a fee for listening to your copyrighted ringtone, someone would try to get away with it.
 
2012-08-27 09:21:21 AM

Tumunga: THIS is happening on your watch, farklibtards.

/vote Obamacare.


You're not helping

mod3072: maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.


This. Stop blindly supporting your side, idiots. Yes, I am talking to you if you always vote for a certain party
 
2012-08-27 09:21:58 AM

machoprogrammer: This. Stop blindly supporting your side, idiots. Yes, I am talking to you if you always vote for a certain party


I should say for a given party. Not certain, both sides are at fault.
 
2012-08-27 09:22:02 AM
One corporation, one vote. The hominids should STFU and stay in their shanties where they belong.
 
2012-08-27 09:23:41 AM

omnipotent_speck: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is self-sustaining; on one side, a conspiracy nut will take a modest innovation and stretch it to some extreme end to sell their own kind of snake oil. On the other side, an industry-shaper will occasionally stumble upon some of these ridiculous rants and think "Hey, that's not a bad idea! Let's see how far we can push that!" Cycle rinse, repeat.

As far as what the end goal of it all is, I'd have to say it's something a little more simple than global enslavement of the masses. In all likelihood, the only goal here is complete and total user-pay, every time, all the time. I've no doubt in my mind that if a mechanism could be installed to bill everyone in earshot a fee for listening to your copyrighted ringtone, someone would try to get away with it.


It was called DIVX.

I'm sure its time will come 'round again.
 
2012-08-27 09:33:30 AM
mytdawg
2012-08-27 08:09:52 AM

From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

^This. Exactly.
 
2012-08-27 09:37:13 AM

machoprogrammer: Tumunga: THIS is happening on your watch, farklibtards.

/vote Obamacare.

You're not helping

mod3072: maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.

This. Stop blindly supporting your side, idiots. Yes, I am talking to you if you always vote for a certain party


Anyone that pays attention to politics AND has read the constitution AND is anything other than a libertarian might be retarded.
 
2012-08-27 09:54:55 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


yeah, pretty much. you new around here?
 
2012-08-27 10:00:27 AM
There used to be a saying. "No taxation without representation." Remember that one? Take a good hard look at the people "representing" us in Washington DC. All of them filthy rich. The rich are the smallest minority in this country, and have the majority of the wealth. Is this accurate representation of the average American?

No.
 
2012-08-27 10:05:25 AM
Freedom!
 
2012-08-27 10:07:48 AM

Cpl.D: There used to be a saying. "No taxation without representation." Remember that one? Take a good hard look at the people "representing" us in Washington DC. All of them filthy rich. The rich are the smallest minority in this country, and have the majority of the wealth. Is this accurate representation of the average American?

No.


I'd be cool with that if those "representatives" kept their stupid corporate bullcrap in their own country instead of making everyone else drink it.
 
2012-08-27 10:22:29 AM

nmemkha: Add Democracy to the governments that we have tried and failed. Humans are too lazy, apathetic, and collectively stupid to rule themselves.


The only problem with Democracy is that it requires an INFORMED constituents. On a side note, that's why issues like this are all the more serious.

On the other hand, a Republic, like we have here in the US, requires that the elected representatives actually REPRESENT the interests of their constituents. I'll even grant that what is good for the people isn't always popular. However, when you get to the point where elected officials only look out for themselves and their cronies... well, you get what we have today.

In fact, most forms of government are perfectly good. It's just that each and every one that I've ever seen rests on a single lynch pin. With Democracy it's informed decision making. With a Republic it's benevolence. With Communism it's selflessness.

Generally speaking, all forms of government work fairly well until greed and selfishness rise to power. I don't know that an effective way has ever been found to clean house. Other than fire and bullets.
 
2012-08-27 10:28:31 AM

PonceAlyosha: RockofAges: we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

How can you stare down its barrel, when it is already here?


RockofAges never said which end of the barrel we were talking about. We may be chambered and ready to explode in a torrent of hot gasses and fly OUT of the barrel.

/Control the information, Control the people.
//basic commie tactic.
 
2012-08-27 10:30:35 AM
If this ever comes to pass I guess this will give Dark Net the fuel it needs to grow by leaps and bounds.

There may come a day where you will see "Dark Fark", because posting information like this will be copyright infringement and nothing spreads the word of government and corporation corruption to millions of people like Fark, and they don't like that at all.
 
2012-08-27 10:32:13 AM

SquiggsIN: anything other than a libertarian might be retarded.


Tone it down dude. Some of these people sound like they might be ready to be libertarian with Gary Johnson, if we don't drive them away.
 
2012-08-27 10:34:30 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


You mean like when I post photos on here from Photobucket (alledgedly)?
 
2012-08-27 10:41:05 AM

pag1107: The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain.


Too late, they already got hired by the TSA.
 
2012-08-27 10:50:01 AM
It's like they're trying to force an American Spring or something.
 
2012-08-27 10:51:28 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

 

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.
 
2012-08-27 10:57:06 AM
the solution is a mesh network that is privately owned and maintained

http://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/Category:Byzantium

get both the government AND corporations out of the internet, they have proven untrustworthy
 
2012-08-27 10:58:47 AM

OhioKnight: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks? 

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.


Umm, what?

Sorry dude, but thats just an urban legend. The "law of the land" treaty portion was written when the word "treaty" had a more broad sense, as in not just foreign treaties with nations, but also printed publications and the like.
 
2012-08-27 11:04:59 AM

washington-babylon: PonceAlyosha: RockofAges: we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

How can you stare down its barrel, when it is already here?

RockofAges never said which end of the barrel we were talking about. We may be chambered and ready to explode in a torrent of hot gasses and fly OUT of the barrel.

/Control the information, Control the people.
//basic commie wizard tactic.


They've been doing it for aeons.

/farking tree wizards manipulating global currency again
 
2012-08-27 11:09:33 AM
I cannot wait to see how Fark partisans defend their guy supporting this shiat.
 
2012-08-27 11:12:35 AM

machoprogrammer: I cannot wait to see how Fark partisans defend their guy supporting this shiat.


This shiat is indefensible.
 
2012-08-27 11:35:28 AM
OhioKnight: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.

Umm, what?

Sorry dude, but thats just an urban legend. The "law of the land" treaty portion was written when the word "treaty" had a more broad sense, as in not just foreign treaties with nations, but also printed publications and the like.


I stand corrected: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Cover
 
2012-08-27 11:36:28 AM

Cpl.D: machoprogrammer: I cannot wait to see how Fark partisans defend their guy supporting this shiat.

This shiat is indefensible.


You would be surprised how quickly the Fark Partisan Brigade will defend their team.
 
2012-08-27 11:39:05 AM
a good start would be to legislate that corporations are NOT people and are not entitled to people's rights. Somebody start a petition.
 
2012-08-27 11:41:40 AM

OhioKnight: OhioKnight: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

The nice thing about the TPP is it would be a TREATY or Executive Agreement -- which, under current SCOTUS rulings TRUMPS ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS.

Umm, what?

Sorry dude, but thats just an urban legend. The "law of the land" treaty portion was written when the word "treaty" had a more broad sense, as in not just foreign treaties with nations, but also printed publications and the like.

I stand corrected: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Cover


Oh. And may I add that I've never been more pleased to find a long-held belief to be mistaken.
 
2012-08-27 11:46:21 AM

FeFiFoFark: a good start would be to legislate that corporations are NOT people and are not entitled to people's rights. Somebody start a petition.


That's a very good idea, but you can't just say "Corporations aren't people" -- we need some proposed rules as to how Corporations DO behave in law for such a petition to mean anything.

Corporations are a bunch of people working together as an entity that allows them not to be individually liable (as opposed to a partnership) so how do we fix the "people" situation without breaking the system that we all need to survive?
 
2012-08-27 12:12:35 PM
Mwelp, I guess I ought to get going studying DarkNet.
 
2012-08-27 12:21:54 PM

OhioKnight: FeFiFoFark: a good start would be to legislate that corporations are NOT people and are not entitled to people's rights. Somebody start a petition.

That's a very good idea, but you can't just say "Corporations aren't people" -- we need some proposed rules as to how Corporations DO behave in law for such a petition to mean anything.

Corporations are a bunch of people working together as an entity that allows them not to be individually liable (as opposed to a partnership) so how do we fix the "people" situation without breaking the system that we all need to survive?


Start by removing their ability to make gargantuan campaign contributions, and outlaw the practice of promoting executives in an industry to government positions regulating that same industry.
 
2012-08-27 12:23:28 PM
My biggest problem with this is it assumes that repeated allegations equate to fact. I can argue over and over again that martians have eaten my brains and replaced them with Bulls testicles (they have) but no matter how many times I make the allegations, it doesn't make it TRUE. If you use that form of truth for the basis of your penalties, that's a system primed for abuses of the worst kind.

\bull testicles.
 
2012-08-27 12:24:39 PM

DECMATH: SquiggsIN: anything other than a libertarian might be retarded.

Tone it down dude. Some of these people sound like they might be ready to be libertarian with Gary Johnson, if we don't drive them away.


My voting motto for this elections is, "Johnson or Paul, or not at all."
 
kgf
2012-08-27 12:25:52 PM
OH NO!! If they start regulating the internet like this, I may have to start actually paying for the stuff I want!!! Then I'd have to get a job!!!

NOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-08-27 12:30:41 PM

kgf: OH NO!! If they start regulating the internet like this, I may have to start actually paying for the stuff I want!!! Then I'd have to get a job!!!

NOOOOOOOOOO!


1. We allege you have stolen our content. That you haven't doesn't matter; we allege it anyway because you're using a lot of the internets and we need that oversold bandwidth for more customers. Anyway, we're cutting you off. Toodles.

2. This.
 
2012-08-27 12:30:43 PM

OhioKnight: FeFiFoFark: a good start would be to legislate that corporations are NOT people and are not entitled to people's rights. Somebody start a petition.

That's a very good idea, but you can't just say "Corporations aren't people" -- we need some proposed rules as to how Corporations DO behave in law for such a petition to mean anything.

Corporations are a bunch of people working together as an entity that allows them not to be individually liable (as opposed to a partnership) so how do we fix the "people" situation without breaking the system that we all need to survive?


It seems it was pretty easy to GIVE them the rights - should be just as easy to TAKE THEM AWAY. If i'm not mistaken, it was a simple oversight (perhaps) by a judge in the mid 1800's that gave corps these rights (anybody?). Before they had these rights the govnt could take away their charter to do business and liquify all their assets. I like that idea - include all CEO/Executives and board of directors and we have a pretty good start!
 
2012-08-27 12:32:54 PM

Kittypie070: Mwelp, I guess I ought to get going studying DarkNet.


And that's what most people will eventually do.

In fact, once darknet is forced into the mainstream, not only will everyone steal data consequence free, the media companies will have given terrorists a vast untraceable communications network. Unintended consequences, how do they work?
 
2012-08-27 12:43:35 PM
If it were for the good of the citizens, why would it need to be done in secret?
 
2012-08-27 12:48:05 PM

trlkly: If it were for the good of the citizens corporations, why would it need to be done in secret?

 

maybe


FTFM
 
2012-08-27 12:48:19 PM

PonceAlyosha: State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.

These lobbyists don't realize they're being bilked by the congressvolk. It's like the abortion issue was until shiat got real last year.


The funny thing is that they've convinced you that "shiat got real" on the abortion issue last year.
 
2012-08-27 12:50:08 PM
If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

First they came for the blacks, and I said nothing because I was not black.

Then they came for the copyright infringers, and I said nothing because I was not a copyright infringer.

Then they came for the ??? ...
 
2012-08-27 12:50:42 PM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?


Basically yes. Get used to this.
 
2012-08-27 12:55:59 PM
Canadians resisted the last internet surveillance bill because the guy (Vic Toews) said you are either with the child pornographers or you're with the government in passing the bill, well that didn't sit well with anybody. But it seems like they are going to give it another go. We'll see if the reaction is the same I guess.
 
2012-08-27 01:39:02 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tumunga: [thread shiat]

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Did you leave Wisconsin yet?

Something important like this gets 100 comments, but the picture of Obama staring at the moon gets 300+?

Weird...
 
2012-08-27 01:52:45 PM

ontariolightning: Canadians resisted the last internet surveillance bill because the guy (Vic Toews) said you are either with the child pornographers or you're with the government in passing the bill, well that didn't sit well with anybody. But it seems like they are going to give it another go. We'll see if the reaction is the same I guess.


Can't blame him. It worked for Andrew Cuomo.
 
2012-08-27 02:02:35 PM
* Three-strikes policies and laws that require Internet intermediaries to terminate their users' Internet access on repeat allegations of copyright infringement

Dear governing body,

I have it on good authority that NBC Universal, Viacom, Disney, CBS, News Cop, Time Warner, and Sony America have each infringed on three of my copyrights. I have no physical evidence of this, but I would like to allege it. Actually, I'd like to allege it three times.
 
2012-08-27 02:48:45 PM
So it'll have tiny balls, and a bad temper?

Can't we come up with some other pharmaceutical reference when being hyperbolic?

"IT'LL BE LIKE SOPA, ON 50mg OF GENERIC FOR ADDERALL."
 
2012-08-27 03:05:49 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tumunga: [thread shiat]

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


I feel horrible.
 
2012-08-27 03:14:32 PM
I don't want to live in this world anymore.
 
2012-08-27 03:30:08 PM

ZipSplat: So it'll have tiny balls, and a bad temper?

Can't we come up with some other pharmaceutical reference when being hyperbolic?

"IT'LL BE LIKE SOPA, ON 50mg OF GENERIC FOR ADDERALL."


THANK YOU, ZipSplat! I was determined to find a comment complaining about the never-ending use of the stupid steroids analogy or post one myself. You wouldn't like me when I have to post things myself.

/not on steroids
 
2012-08-27 03:49:28 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tumunga: [thread shiat]

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Your post is abyssimal and you should be ashamed of yourself!
 
2012-08-27 04:12:06 PM

Mr.Tangent: Cpl.D: We the people

We the Corporations


I won't say the idea that Romney is pro big business is right or wrong but there's something we all need to be aware of. This is our US Vice President and Department of Justice:

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Joe Biden: Is accused of personally ordering the illegal shutdown of Megaupload, urged the criminal prosecutions of copyright-infringing peer-to-peer users and tried to create a new federal felony involving playing unauthorized music
Tom Perrelli: 3rd in command of the DoJ. Sued Jammie Thomas for 1.9 million dollars for sharing 24 songs on a peer-to-peer network, worked for the RIAA suing college students.
Donald Verrilli: Killed Grokster, sued Google for a one billion (yes with a "B") dollars on behalf of Viacom, convinced a judge that "making copyrighted sound recordings available for electronic distribution on a peer-to-peer network" violated the law even if nothing had actually been transferred.
Neil MacBride: Oversaw the creation of the program that rewarded people for phoning tips about suspected software piracy.
David Ogden: Organized the defense of the Child Online Protection Act (anti-Internet porn law), defended the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. 

"So? I don't pirate anything. Let 'em put the law breakers in jail." you may say. These are the guys who came up with ACTA, SOPA, PIPA and who knows what else we don't know about yet. If they get their way they will annihilate your right to privacy and regulate your freedom of speech on the Internet just to make sure the multi-billion dollar music, TV and movie industries make even more money than they already are. What will they be doing in the next four years when they know their boss no longer has to worry about re-election?
 
2012-08-27 04:12:35 PM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


Thank goodness that copyright infringement isn't stealing then ;-)
 
2012-08-27 04:35:11 PM

BgJonson79: Thank goodness that copyright infringement isn't stealing then ;-)


You go tell that to the guys at gitmo. I'm sure they'll let you go.
 
2012-08-27 05:04:58 PM
I didn't say it wasn't against the law, I said it wasn't stealing.

If I steal your car, you can't use it.

If I copy a DVD, we BOTH can use it, but the copyright holder was only paid once.
 
2012-08-27 06:33:32 PM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


That's plagiarism, buddy. You better provide the citation for that idea you espoused or you're breaking copyright law.
 
2012-08-27 06:58:56 PM

Flakeloaf: This.


Good comic but it missed the best one: "This content is not available in your location..." In the examples in the comic, the show wasn't available anywhere. But a couple of weeks ago, I googled a show I wanted to see, was directed to iTunes and there, credit card in hand, was told I couldn't buy it, because I'm not in the U.S., but that ignored third-world dump called Canada not worth selling anything to.

What possible reason, other than having one's pointy-haired coiff firmly inserted in one's managerial ass, or wanting to encourage piracy so as to whine about it, could there be to turn away a paying customer from an all-digital purchase like this?
 
2012-08-27 07:01:12 PM
We are truly farked.

;(
 
2012-08-27 07:49:43 PM
You wouldn't download a bear.
 
2012-08-27 07:58:54 PM
P.S. I love you.
 
2012-08-27 08:53:18 PM
Holy mother of Doctorow, here we go again...
 
2012-08-27 10:49:59 PM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


Tell that to the ftp site that had OpenOffice on it.
 
2012-08-27 10:57:12 PM
So, how many days do you guys think it'd be until we see adverts in the newspapers for 'shareware' companies offering "the latest stuff for the lowest price"? Assuming these idiots ever get their way that is.
 
2012-08-28 12:44:32 AM
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/content_item/freetpp -- Interesting that the original text of TPP is not available.
 
2012-08-28 05:16:09 AM

ProfessorOhki: * Three-strikes policies and laws that require Internet intermediaries to terminate their users' Internet access on repeat allegations of copyright infringement

Dear governing body,

I have it on good authority that NBC Universal, Viacom, Disney, CBS, News Cop, Time Warner, and Sony America have each infringed on three of my copyrights. I have no physical evidence of this, but I would like to allege it. Actually, I'd like to allege it three times.


You joke, but it's impossible for a single individual average american to adequately defend themselves legally against an average corporation.

But, what if the public separately alleged copyright infringement against the corporation? Any company that went on wanton copyright allegations (cough, RIAA, cough) without any evidence, got immediately sued by everyone in the US in every jurisdiction. Crowdsourcing corporations back in line.
 
2012-08-28 08:07:36 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.


absolutely. My thoughts. It's not like forwarding an email would fall under this. Oh wait. Yes it does, as the creator of the original email, i retain all reproduction rights, you as the receiver have 0 rights to my intellectual work. Forward 3 of my emails. thats a internet banning for you, have a nice day.
 
2012-08-28 02:07:37 PM

SwingDancer: poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

absolutely. My thoughts. It's not like forwarding an email would fall under this. Oh wait. Yes it does, as the creator of the original email, i retain all reproduction rights, you as the receiver have 0 rights to my intellectual work. Forward 3 of my emails. thats a internet banning for you, have a nice day.


Don't even need that, look at the mess from a few years back. An FTP site was being C&D by Microsoft's attack firm. Their little robot had got in to the site and found a version of Office. For FedoraCore. In a handy RPM format. Prefixed by the word Open.

The attack firms solution to this problem was to ignore the fact their spider had got it wrong and continue sending C&D's, notice of intended prosecutions and a polite note that they weren't going to change the bot's behaviour to white list shiat, so you'd better just take it down.

One of these robots goes bonkers or isn't configured correctly, you loose your internet. Hell it's just a notice of potentially infringing material you don't need to prove anything, so if someone on-line pisses you off and you have their IP... *boomboomboom* bye bye sucker.
 
2012-08-28 02:44:09 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

Penalties for "allegations" should worry everyone.

Since the media companies are so dead set on bringing this unconstitutional bs into law, I now believe it's our patriotic duty to cut off their sources of income. As far as I'm concerned, they are domestic enemies.


Waay ahead of you I rarely watch t.v. anymore but not everyone is as plugged in as we are. We keep forgetting the internet is used for Facebook, recipes, email, shopping and porn for some people.
 
2012-08-29 12:49:03 PM
I warned you..You are all now being sued by Mr. Shabooboo Inc. for your blatant use of the letter J (c)
without paying for it..
 
2012-08-30 11:10:38 AM
machoprogrammer

"Stop blindly supporting your side, idiots. Yes, I am talking to you if you always vote for a certain party"

In the end, it doesn't matter much. By the time it's whittled down to the final candidates we can actually vote for, it's a choice between two or three rich guys who have all gotten big bucks from corporate campaign donors in exchange for "favors". There's no candidate with the welfare of the common folk at heart to choose at that point. Those (if they ever existed at all) are weeded out early.

I look at it this way... Politicians and corporations are like the human centipede with their mouths sewn to the next one's asshole, and each entity in the chain is also simultaneously furiously jerking off the one in front of it. You and I, and the rest of the common people like us are the food source. And that's all we are.

America. Fark yeah.
 
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