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		If signed, Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) will be like SOPA on steroids (boingboing.net)		125
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Cythraul		2012-08-27 07:57:55 AM

So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

steveGswine		2012-08-27 08:00:35 AM

Regulators of all stripes: please stop farking with ISPs. I have limited enough options as it is, to find someone actually paying attention to keeping things workin*** NO CARRIER

State_College_Arsonist		2012-08-27 08:01:06 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.

poe_zlaw		2012-08-27 08:01:37 AM

If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

Smirky the Wonder Chimp		2012-08-27 08:04:03 AM

Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

Yes. They're going to keep slinging shiat at the wall until something finally sticks and they get the neverending copyright/legal intrusive snitching system they really want. SOPA imploded. This might. Maybe the next one and the one after that will too. But eventually, they're going to get something passed.

cman		2012-08-27 08:04:35 AM

So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

PonceAlyosha		2012-08-27 08:05:30 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.

These lobbyists don't realize they're being bilked by the congressvolk. It's like the abortion issue was until shiat got real last year.

OrionXVI		2012-08-27 08:06:03 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

LOL.

Sure. No one ever abuses power....

machoprogrammer		2012-08-27 08:08:12 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Cythraul: So, is it the plan of supporters of laws like this to keep proposing them with different names until one finally sticks?

-Well, a lot of bribes/donations can have that effect on congresscritters.

And people say corporations don't run this country. Both parties are bought by corporations.

Cheron		2012-08-27 08:08:27 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

But for the legal teams and their poorly constructed spiders that send take down notices for people posting bird songs.

mytdawg		2012-08-27 08:09:52 AM

From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

A_bomb37		2012-08-27 08:10:04 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

8.5/10

Almost bit

RockofAges		2012-08-27 08:10:47 AM

cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

cman		2012-08-27 08:13:00 AM

RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet

PonceAlyosha		2012-08-27 08:14:14 AM

RockofAges: we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

How can you stare down its barrel, when it is already here?

thisispete		2012-08-27 08:15:53 AM

Gah. New Zealand is in on this too. Our copyright term is life of the author + 50 years. This would extend it out to +75 years. Fark that.

jso2897		2012-08-27 08:17:13 AM

cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet

Perhaps - but in this case, we neddn't speculate. The terms of this agreement are spelled out in detail in TFA.
So - do you approve of the provisions described therein - or not?

lucksi		2012-08-27 08:18:55 AM

And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.

nickerj1		2012-08-27 08:20:52 AM

I have no problem with this, as long as there's a minimum statutory damages for wrongful alleged infringement of 1 billion USD.

CarnySaur		2012-08-27 08:21:35 AM

I only pirate things I don't like, so the companies lose money and stop making those things. If I find out someone's pirating something I do happen to like, I rat on them.

maggoo		2012-08-27 08:22:34 AM

Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

cman		2012-08-27 08:23:18 AM

jso2897: cman: RockofAges: cman: So when did Alex Jones and his idiotic conspiracy theories become part of mainstream Americana instead of a fringe movement filled with morons?

Is he really such an idiot, and are they really such conspiracy "theories", when our decision-makers continually erode our privacies, liberties, and pocketbooks?

I'm not an Alex Jones guy but you have to give the dystopians some credit here -- we really ARE staring down the barrel of cyberpunk inspired tech-infused corporatism.

The problem is is that no matter what the contents of a treaty or a bill are, if it attempts to curb piracy, you see all the conspiracy nuts coming out of the forest claiming that they are trying to shut down the internet

Perhaps - but in this case, we neddn't speculate. The terms of this agreement are spelled out in detail in TFA.
So - do you approve of the provisions described therein - or not?

How do we even know if this is real? Its a "leak", which means that it could have been just made by a random dude off the Internet who wants to push their own agenda.

As for its contents, it does have a big bite that may be a bit hard to ignore if it is real. However, no one bats an eye when people who are pirating cable or satellite get raided or sued.

Great Janitor		2012-08-27 08:24:02 AM

lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.

Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2012-08-27 08:26:39 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

Penalties for "allegations" should worry everyone.

Since the media companies are so dead set on bringing this unconstitutional bs into law, I now believe it's our patriotic duty to cut off their sources of income. As far as I'm concerned, they are domestic enemies.

pag1107		2012-08-27 08:27:44 AM

I'd be ok with robust copyright laws if they expressly forbid things like automated takedown notice generators. That bit with the Mars probe landing getting taken down due to some news station's crawler flagging it was a great example in the absurd. The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain. To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

Chevello		2012-08-27 08:33:43 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

I don't know, there were an awful lot of "allegeds" in there. Unless the story wasn't quoting verbatim and was slanted by the writer to generate outrage.

Nawwww, that never happens. You're fine, citizen. Now sit back and enjoy your government approved entertainment feed. Our records show that you need to make up a few hours. You haven't been viewing unapproved materials, have you?

JonnyG		2012-08-27 08:34:33 AM

And incredibly, with one of the most important things to ever happen to our society on our doorstep, people don't even twitch. This is so much more than SOPA and should be stopped. Alas, the people are a bunch of dimwits.

Mr.Tangent		2012-08-27 08:36:05 AM

There is no way this could possibly be abused.

way south		2012-08-27 08:40:10 AM

I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.

Mr.Tangent		2012-08-27 08:40:46 AM

poe_zlaw: If you arent stealing other peoples' property, you have nothing to worry about.

See how the current DMCA is being abused by certain groups to silence free speech, false take down requests are especially rampant with activist videos on you tube. While copyright enforcement is very important, so is a little thing called due process.

Smirky the Wonder Chimp		2012-08-27 08:42:06 AM

pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?

pag1107		2012-08-27 08:45:04 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?

Lol, true, they are people after all. But think how happy the lawyers will be with all that litigation. It all balances out.

Bad_Seed		2012-08-27 08:45:26 AM

fluffy2097		2012-08-27 08:45:46 AM

pag1107: The notices should have to be reviewed by a human with half a brain

Wanted: One Lobotomized Human.

jaybeezey		2012-08-27 08:46:34 AM

Great Janitor: lucksi: And if this doesn't pass, next time it will be put in as an earmark in a defense speding bill.

Sadly, there may be more truth to that than I want to admit to.

mytdawg: From the comments -

Even though politicians are not much more than elected robber barons, the past few years they have been all but naked on their greed and willingness to trample constitutional rights in the name of lined pockets from their rich biatch backers. Unfortunately, people are so blinded by party spiel they don't know (or don't care) that all parties are basically one, Corporatists.

Can't really add anything to that.

I want to find this person, buy them a beer. I also want to help get this message to as many people around the U.S. as possible.

beers are made by corporations, making you part of the problem!

fluffy2097		2012-08-27 08:47:04 AM

way south: I only wish they'd stop making up acronyms and give these things more descriptive names.
So that when the "Lets kill the internet" bill pops up for the seventh time, people don't have to hit Google to find out its the same damn thing.

Here is a life tip

If politicians are trying to pass it. It will actively try to destroy you.

/doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit on.

Mr. Shabooboo		2012-08-27 08:48:10 AM

Ok..Doubling down...From this moment on..The letter "J" is (C) Mr. Shabooboo Inc...

Pay up you bastards or no more J's

Cpl.D		2012-08-27 08:48:42 AM

~~We the people~~

We the Corporations

This text is now purple		2012-08-27 08:51:41 AM

jigger		2012-08-27 08:53:52 AM

It obviously has little to do with copyright infringement and everything to do with installing the monitoring infrastructure.

Mr.Tangent		2012-08-27 08:54:58 AM

Cpl.D: We the people

We the Corporations

i1105.photobucket.com

cabbyman		2012-08-27 09:00:07 AM

poe_zlaw: If ~~you~~ Romney ~~arent stealing other peoples' property~~ doesn't have anything to hide ~~you have~~ he has nothing to worry about.

fixt!

mod3072		2012-08-27 09:04:03 AM

maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.

Flakeloaf		2012-08-27 09:04:04 AM

It's cute how they think the entire planet will unite to round up people who copy Mickey and Nickelback and send them all to gitmo. It must be great to have nothing else to worry about.

SquiggsIN		2012-08-27 09:05:28 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: pag1107: To enforce this there should be a very large penalty for firing off takedown notices that turn out to be bogus.

But...but...then that might cost a corporation MONEY! For merely filing scads of wrongful takedown notices!

Won't somebody please think of the corporations?

And these corporations are people so they must have feelings liike people! I personally am done fighting the system. I'm just never having children and I encourage all of you to not care anymore either. They want us docile or apathetic or both.

Tumunga		2012-08-27 09:05:29 AM

THIS is happening on your watch, farklibtards.

/vote Obamacare.

SquiggsIN		2012-08-27 09:08:37 AM

mod3072: maggoo: Subjecting the will of a country to the whim of a couple of corporations isn't fascism?

It depends. If MY party is power when it happens, then no. If those other assholes are the ones who ram it down our throats, then yes, yes it is. If it is a bipartisan effort (which is fairly likely, since the only thing those farkers can agree on is screwing over the rest of us), then the answer is maybe. It was probably the other team's idea, and my side got tricked into supporting it.

I say the following all the time : it is where the r's and d's agree on things that we should really worry about. Too bad they do everything in their power to keep us focused on bipartisan issues which have almost no room for compromise: like abortion, death penalty, war on drugs, gay marriage, etc..

LouDobbsAwaaaay		2012-08-27 09:09:35 AM

Tumunga: [thread shiat]

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

RoLleRKoaSTeR		2012-08-27 09:10:13 AM

Seems that bribes and patronage is still going strong in our (US) Government.

Corporations and special interests (lobbyists) are now "the people", and not the regular citizens of this country.