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2012-08-27 06:40:00 AM  
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2012-08-27 07:35:05 AM  
There is no difference. He is the standard bearer of the party. You don't get to claim the guy running to be the most powerful Republican doesn't represent the views of the party platform so you can try to be a hateful little bigot and get independent voters.
 
2012-08-27 07:44:50 AM  
The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.
 
2012-08-27 07:45:14 AM  
The question needs to be asked if he would veto a no-exclusion abortion bill if it got before him.

Catch 22.
 
2012-08-27 07:51:05 AM  

PreMortem: The question needs to be asked if he would veto a no-exclusion abortion bill if it got before him.

Catch 22.


Oh and if he were forced to answer, say in a debate, he would lose the election. Guaranteed.
 
2012-08-27 07:51:37 AM  
There's a culture war within the GOP because many of them realize that a solid chunk of their core beliefs are becoming obsolete and they stand at risk of becoming irrelevant.

Snowe should've stayed in and duked it out, but whatever. It's her life, and I can see how she could become exhausted and exasperated dealing with the more obstinate blockheads within her party.
 
2012-08-27 08:00:06 AM  
Who knows what Mitt's 'platform' is since he's made it obvious that he'll switch whatever opinion he has in order to get elected.
 
2012-08-27 08:29:43 AM  
Aren't all platforms the platform of Mitt Romney?
 
2012-08-27 08:31:43 AM  
He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant
 
2012-08-27 08:33:34 AM  
Articles like this are making me think that The Newsroom finally shamed some journalists into doing actual journalism.
 
2012-08-27 08:37:04 AM  
Whah? Romney is not an strick ideological conservative? When did the New Yorker hire Ric Romero.
 
2012-08-27 08:39:20 AM  

Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant


You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.
 
2012-08-27 08:39:37 AM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: Articles like this are making me think that The Newsroom finally shamed some journalists into doing actual journalism.


Philip Gourevitch is the guy that wrote We Wish to Inform You etc etc, he's never stopped doing actual journalism.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:34 AM  
its a Platform of Big Business and the Rich vs. the other 98% of the American population. that's the platform of the Republican (and some Democrats too) party.


it isn't rocket science. these folks think of this country and its government as their property to do as they please. Democracy be damned.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:54 AM  
Pretending that the GOP platform is not Mitt's de facto platform is foolish in the utmost.
The 'Culture Warriors' won, they've got their hand on the till and are guiding the party.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Akin.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:58 AM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


Not according to GOP puppet master Grover Norquist.
 
2012-08-27 08:42:07 AM  

Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant



he won't be signing anything because he will lose.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:02 AM  
... and even if Romney disagrees with the bigots in the Republican party, he will need the support of the bigots. If Romney wants to move his economic policies forward he'll need Teabagger support to do so. To gain Teabag support, Romney will need to concede on social issues to them. A vote for Romney is a vote for the Teabaggers.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:08 AM  

Cinaed: Pretending that the GOP platform is not Mitt's de facto platform is foolish in the utmost.
The 'Culture Warriors' won, they've got their hand on the till and are guiding the party.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Akin.


Romney is the white bread outside of the fascism and shiat sandwich that is the modern GOP.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:40 AM  
I want everyone who cheered "Viva Bush" at the Republican convention in 1992 come here, into this thread, and explain to me exactly why they were cheering that.
 
2012-08-27 08:46:19 AM  
Mittens Rmoney and his Gimp "biggest brown noser" Paul Ryan are both Owned. they answer to their Owners and their Owners are not the American People.
 
2012-08-27 08:47:40 AM  

hinten: I want everyone who cheered "Viva Bush" at the Republican convention in 1992 come here, into this thread, and explain to me exactly why they were cheering that.



cause the TV told them too?? and because Bush Sr. was annointed by God himself, Ronnie Raygun.
 
2012-08-27 08:48:08 AM  
If he will not stand up to his party on his values (ow...ooohhh...that hurt to say that) then how can he stand up to our enemies? I wouldn't feel safe with him as Prez..

/especially since I'm a woman
 
2012-08-27 08:48:22 AM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


I don't think he feels strongly enough about any issue in which he diverges from the party in order to veto something. The only exception is probably religious freedom and equality
 
2012-08-27 08:48:50 AM  
I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."
 
2012-08-27 08:48:52 AM  

Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant


This being the subject of Elizabeth Warren's campaign makes me smile. Broadly.

"Yeah Scotty-too-Hotty's not the worst republican in the tent, but voting for him because of that is voting for the republican platform as it stands today, simply because of the way our government is working."

/good show.
 
2012-08-27 08:49:34 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Cinaed: Pretending that the GOP platform is not Mitt's de facto platform is foolish in the utmost.
The 'Culture Warriors' won, they've got their hand on the till and are guiding the party.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Akin.

Romney is the white bread outside of the fascism and shiat sandwich that is the modern GOP.



and in "the greatest 'democracy' on earth", the more bread you have, the less sh*t you have to eat. everything is for sale, including our 'representative' Legislators.
 
2012-08-27 08:51:42 AM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


So...elect a guy who might veto laws based on the platform the party has put together for the convention where they nominate him?
 
2012-08-27 08:52:17 AM  

hinten: I want everyone who cheered "Viva Bush" at the Republican convention in 1992 come here, into this thread, and explain to me exactly why they were cheering that.


Old school pr0n fans?
 
2012-08-27 08:52:19 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Cinaed: Pretending that the GOP platform is not Mitt's de facto platform is foolish in the utmost.
The 'Culture Warriors' won, they've got their hand on the till and are guiding the party.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Akin.

Romney is the white bread outside of the fascism and shiat sandwich that is the modern GOP.


Does that make Ryan the mayo? Or is he bad enough we should call him "Miracle Whip"?
 
2012-08-27 08:53:09 AM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


I LOL'd!
 
2012-08-27 08:56:40 AM  
"This is the platform of the Republican Party, it is not the platform of Mitt Romney." Inside the Republican culture war

New ad: "Romney defiantly runs on non-GOP party platform."
 
2012-08-27 09:02:50 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: hinten: I want everyone who cheered "Viva Bush" at the Republican convention in 1992 come here, into this thread, and explain to me exactly why they were cheering that.

Old school pr0n fans?


Sometimes the funny ones are the ones you don't see coming.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:02 AM  

Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."


Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:10 AM  
Sure, I believe that Romney personally is a lot less... objectionable than Generic Republican as far as his personal politics goes. Unfortunately I also believe him when he's repeatedly sworn up and down that he can get past that and enact GOP policy regardless of what he thinks personally.

So... how about no.
 
2012-08-27 09:05:48 AM  
I guess this is suppose to mean that there is something new in the retard republican platform which is obviously a lie.

Its been the same "we hate anybody thats not rich" platform since the 1870's.
 
2012-08-27 09:06:24 AM  

spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.


I don't think that's how statistical significance works. I also don't think "Cut off your hand because you have a hangnail" is reasonable policy, but what do I know.
 
2012-08-27 09:06:48 AM  
Will Mitt Romney publicly and specifically reject the parts of the platform he disagrees with in his acceptance speech?
 
2012-08-27 09:07:08 AM  
I'm pretty sure Mitt Romney has declared that we're not allowed to discuss Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney's platform, or differences between Mitt Romney's platform and the GOP platform. Shut the thread down, please.
 
2012-08-27 09:07:22 AM  
FTFA: When word got out that the Republican platform called for the criminalization of abortion without reference to exceptions, the Republican National Committee chairman, Reince Priebus, declined to bow to the candidate. "This is the platform of the Republican Party," he told MSNBC. "It is not the platform of Mitt Romney."


This statement makes no sense. Mitt Romney is the Republican candidate for POTUS and being nominated at a convention with the platform you drafted. If it isn't what you truly represent what is its purpose? Either you are lying to your base or to the independent voters. If your core beliefs are so unpaletable to the American voter maybe you should rethink them than try to hide them.

If I were President Obama's election team I would pounce on this. Even at the Republican convention it seems we have no idea what Mitt Romney stands for.
 
2012-08-27 09:07:37 AM  

bigevildan: Aren't all platforms the platform of Mitt Romney?


Ah, but simultaneously none of them are the platform of Mitt Romney.
 
2012-08-27 09:09:18 AM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


But he won't choose. As Grover Norquist said, they only need a President that is capable of holding the pen to sign their legislation. They neither need nor want a President that will think for himself. Ergo, Romney.
 
2012-08-27 09:09:33 AM  
Mitt Romney's platform changes when it is observed or measured.
 
2012-08-27 09:10:21 AM  

heavymetal: If I were President Obama's election team I would pounce on this. Even at the Republican convention it seems we have no idea what Mitt Romney stands for.


Sure we do; whatever the people in the room that he's in wants. Except if they're black and want welfare.
 
2012-08-27 09:10:35 AM  

hinten: I want everyone who cheered "Viva Bush" at the Republican convention in 1992 come here, into this thread, and explain to me exactly why they were cheering that.


You know, as bad as H W was, I'd take a dozen of him over a single person in the current crop. Except John Huntsman that is, and I think he's been thrown out of the GOP anyway.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:11 AM  
Romney will do whatever the republican party wants him to do in order to pass his pet agenda of lowering his own taxes. So their agenda is his agenda.
 
2012-08-27 09:12:01 AM  
President Obama will have a field day with that position during the debates.

"So, Mr. Romney, you do not specifically accept the GOP policies as accepted at the Convention?"

"That is correct."

"What would you do, then, if a Republican led Congress voted for a bill that would outlaw all abortions no matter what?"

"Uhhh, I would, that is, I may decide to, well, can I get back to you on that?"
 
2012-08-27 09:15:01 AM  

spman: Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.


Well then, we must immediately perform a cost-benefit analysis on tackling this insignificant problem!
 
2012-08-27 09:15:27 AM  

spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right?


That's correct, it has nothing to do with voter fraud.

Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

That actually means it's not a problem.
 
2012-08-27 09:16:57 AM  

Bendal: President Obama will have a field day with that position during the debates.

"So, Mr. Romney, you do not specifically accept the GOP policies as accepted at the Convention?"

"That is correct."

"What would you do, then, if a Republican led Congress voted for a bill that would outlaw all abortions no matter what?"

"Uhhh, I would, that is, I may decide to, well, can I get back to you on that?"


The American people don't care about that. Why is the Obama campaign always throwing up these distractions? Let's talk about what's really important to America.
 
2012-08-27 09:17:00 AM  

Bendal: President Obama will have a field day with that position during the debates.

"So, Mr. Romney, you do not specifically accept the GOP policies as accepted at the Convention?"

"That is correct."

"What would you do, then, if a Republican led Congress voted for a bill that would outlaw all abortions no matter what?"

"Uhhh, I would, that is, I may decide to, well, can I get back to you on that?"


"I don't deal in hypotheticals. I'm more concerned with fixing the damage that Obama has done this this great nation, and restoring us to the Shining example to the world that our Founders intended us to be" (pause for thunderous applause)
 
2012-08-27 09:18:34 AM  
Romney probably can kill off this pathetic excuse of a country faster than Obama can.

Thats the only good part about him.

You cant have the rebirth until the rotten old corpse dies.
 
2012-08-27 09:18:44 AM  

Bendal: President Obama will have a field day with that position during the debates.

"So, Mr. Romney, you do not specifically accept the GOP policies as accepted at the Convention?"

"That is correct."

"What would you do, then, if a Republican led Congress voted for a bill that would outlaw all abortions no matter what?"

"Uhhh, I would, that is, I may decide to, well, can I get back to you on that?"


Like I said, catch 22.
 
2012-08-27 09:21:53 AM  

Bob16: Romney probably can kill off this pathetic excuse of a country faster than Obama can.

Thats the only good part about him.

You cant have the rebirth until the rotten old corpse dies.


That is about the dumbest farking things anyone can say.
 
2012-08-27 09:21:56 AM  

spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.


Funny how you manage to unknowingly contradict yourself in that second sentence which gives away the truth regarding the first.
 
2012-08-27 09:22:34 AM  

spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.


Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?
 
2012-08-27 09:24:06 AM  

GAT_00: There is no difference. He is the standard bearer of the party. You don't get to claim the guy running to be the most powerful Republican doesn't represent the views of the party platform so you can try to be a hateful little bigot and get independent voters.


Especially when the most attractive part about Romney is his willingness to sign anything.
 
2012-08-27 09:24:40 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Bendal: President Obama will have a field day with that position during the debates.

"So, Mr. Romney, you do not specifically accept the GOP policies as accepted at the Convention?"

"That is correct."

"What would you do, then, if a Republican led Congress voted for a bill that would outlaw all abortions no matter what?"

"Uhhh, I would, that is, I may decide to, well, can I get back to you on that?"

"I don't deal in hypotheticals. I'm more concerned with fixing the damage that Obama has done this this great nation, and restoring us to the Shining example to the world that our Founders intended us to be" (pause for thunderous applause)


A hypothetical would include If elected President.

Like, if I could turn into Superman for a day hypothetical.
 
2012-08-27 09:25:53 AM  
Psychologically speaking

A person can become a danger to themselves and others when attempting to hide what they actually think/believe (Roy Cohn example)

Republicans can tell Romney is not a true believer. That can actuly be used to box him in and control Romney by the far right wing of his own party
 
2012-08-27 09:26:14 AM  

windstrider:
Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?


If the current laws caught 1 in 100,000 votes, just imagine how many there are that didn't get caught. We obviously need stricter laws. It's really just that simple.
 
2012-08-27 09:26:16 AM  

meat0918: PonceAlyosha: Cinaed: Pretending that the GOP platform is not Mitt's de facto platform is foolish in the utmost.
The 'Culture Warriors' won, they've got their hand on the till and are guiding the party.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Akin.

Romney is the white bread outside of the fascism and shiat sandwich that is the modern GOP.

Does that make Ryan the mayo? Or is he bad enough we should call him "Miracle Whip"?


He's the shiat in the shiat sandwich, along with the rest of the Teabaggers.
 
2012-08-27 09:26:22 AM  
That was......actually articulate. Nice article.
 
2012-08-27 09:27:55 AM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

"This is the platform of Bill Gates, it is not the platform of Microsoft."
 
2012-08-27 09:30:10 AM  

Bocasio: Psychologically speaking

A person can become a danger to themselves and others when attempting to hide what they actually think/believe (Roy Cohn example)

Republicans can tell Romney is not a true believer. That can actuly be used to box him in and control Romney by the far right wing of his own party


I think it was a good article, maybe you skimmed it.


FTA: But to get caught up in a mess like the Akin affair comes from thinking that you're in control of forces that, in truth, control you."
 
2012-08-27 09:30:54 AM  
I think the point here is that they want to try to dampen the enthusiasm of left-leaning voters by getting the perception out there that Romney doesn't believe this crazy shiat and, as President, he wouldn't particularly move on any of these things. So that whole thing about how there's no exception for rape in the Republican Party platform call for a ban on abortion? Ahh, don't worry about it, Romney isn't so big on that stuff anyway.

Except that I do think that Romney would gladly govern as a far-right wing President if he thought it would keep his voters happy.
 
2012-08-27 09:31:39 AM  

Bocasio: Psychologically speaking

A person can become a danger to themselves and others when attempting to hide what they actually think/believe (Roy Cohn example)

Republicans can tell Romney is not a true believer. That can actuly be used to box him in and control Romney by the far right wing of his own party


They don't want a leader. Several prominant Republicans have stated that Romney is there to be a puppet of Congress. And he seems to be okay with that.
 
2012-08-27 09:32:37 AM  
Norquist said they just wanted a President who could sign his name on bills that Congress passed. I'm not surprised to see differences betwren the potential Chairwarmer-in-Chief and the rank and file.
 
2012-08-27 09:34:13 AM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Romney's only view is from the back of a jetski.
 
2012-08-27 09:34:27 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.


I like their political reporting and opinion, John Cassidy especially. Their Political Scene podcast is good as well.
 
2012-08-27 09:34:56 AM  
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2012-08-27 09:39:05 AM  

JulezM: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x460]


Speaking of the poor, here's a piece on the hate Republicans have for the poor: Link
 
2012-08-27 09:41:44 AM  
www.odt.co.nz

"This is the platform of Kim Jong Un, it is most definitely not the platform of North Korea. And shame on anyone who would think it is."
 
2012-08-27 09:44:31 AM  

vudutek: windstrider:
Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?

If the current laws caught 1 in 100,000 votes, just imagine how many there are that didn't get caught. We obviously need stricter laws. It's really just that simple.


Considering that the only real requirement to be eligible to vote is to be over 18 and a citizen, how many fradulent voters could there be?

In other words, how many of the 785,000 Pennsylvanians disenfranchised have been illegally voting?
 
2012-08-27 09:45:13 AM  

Goodfella: "This is the platform of Bill Gates, it is not the platform of Microsoft."


Actually the real platform of Gates is that the most important thing a software company can do is outsource middle class jobs to the third world.
 
2012-08-27 09:46:29 AM  

jake_lex: I think the point here is that they want to try to dampen the enthusiasm of left-leaning voters by getting the perception out there that Romney doesn't believe this crazy shiat and, as President, he wouldn't particularly move on any of these things. So that whole thing about how there's no exception for rape in the Republican Party platform call for a ban on abortion? Ahh, don't worry about it, Romney isn't so big on that stuff anyway.

Except that I do think that Romney would gladly govern as a far-right wing President if he thought it would keep his voters happy.


Didn't they try to push that line with GWB as well? Do we not (ban on stem-cell research) know (abortion laws out the yinyang, including the Global Gag Rule) how (gay marriage froth in 2004) that (Terry Schiavo) turned (Iraq War, brought to you by PNAC) out (liberal spending that would have been torpedoed in committee under Clinton becomes law - Med Part D, NCLB)?

// but at least AIDS in Africa is more combatted
 
2012-08-27 09:47:48 AM  

windstrider: spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?


Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?
 
2012-08-27 09:49:53 AM  
So if he doesn't align with their views he is just doing it for power?

Well that's ok then.
 
2012-08-27 09:52:41 AM  

spman: windstrider: spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?

Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


Trivially easy. If you're too poor to own a car, or travel outside of the country, what good does it do you?
 
2012-08-27 09:53:30 AM  

spman: Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


I can't recall the last time I had to show ID for something. If I didn't drive, I wouldn't give a second thought to needing an official ID
 
2012-08-27 09:54:37 AM  

spman: Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


Maybe tattoos with ID numbers on our skin, that'd be hard to combat, right? Maybe RFID chips implanted at birth?

Why is it so hard for you to conceive of a thing such as living off the grid? And why do you feel that those that do should have less rights than the rest?
 
2012-08-27 09:59:18 AM  
What a bunch of bullshiat...

So why are you a Republican, Mr. Romney?


This attempt to portray himself as some kind of moderate after his VP pick and the ridiculous pandering he's done since January is laughable.
 
2012-08-27 10:04:33 AM  

Linux_Yes: its a Platform of Big Business and the Rich vs. the other 98% of the American population. that's the platform of the Republican (and some Democrats too) party.


it isn't rocket science. these folks think of this country and its government as their property to do as they please. Democracy be damned.


pretty much the platform except with just a sprinkling a bigotry and misogyny
 
2012-08-27 10:09:08 AM  

spman: windstrider: spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?

Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


Amazingly easy since photographic technology is relatively new.
 
2012-08-27 10:09:28 AM  

spman: windstrider: spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

Here's something to consider: if you know about those instances of voter fraud that occurred, it's due to the fact that those people were caught doing it. That means the current laws against voter fraud are working. So, ask yourself, why are the Republicans pushing for laws that will disenfranchise millions of voters if the current laws are working?

Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


Since people do it all the time, it's clearly not only conceivable, but actually doable.
 
2012-08-27 10:10:45 AM  
Post-election analysis reveals Obama wins because of women voters. Democrats increase their Senate majority and gain in the House. Because Akin was the nominee because Palin supported Steelman. Now, what was the rationale for putting Palin on the ticket in 08?

/thx for the tf, h!
 
2012-08-27 10:14:09 AM  
The whole time this Akin thing was going on, I had no idea that I shared a backyard with his son and campaign manager. He seems pretty normal. They like to pray outside, but to each their own.
 
2012-08-27 10:14:46 AM  

keylock71: What a bunch of bullshiat...

So why are you a Republican, Mr. Romney?


2002 Romney might have an answer:

Romney In 2002: My Only Connection To The Republican Party Is My Party Registration
 
2012-08-27 10:14:48 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.


I'm sure Murdoch will put a stop to that. I remember when the WSJ used to Be worth reading no matter how you voted, now even their financial Analysis is tainted.
 
2012-08-27 10:16:39 AM  

justinguarini4ever: They like to pray outside


justinguarini4ever: He seems pretty normal.


home.comcast.net
 
2012-08-27 10:16:52 AM  

PreMortem: The question needs to be asked if he would veto a no-exclusion abortion bill if it got before him.

Catch 22.


Mitt needs to be asked about every single item in the GOP Platform.

ie.

Mr. Romney, do you agree with....

OK. Fair enough. Next, what is your opinion on...

etc.


Simply go down the list. Count the number of issues where the Venn Diagrams show dis/agreement.

Then, ask for explanations of:
-why there is disagreement between the nominee and the party, and
-why the mutually agreed upon things (Party+Nominee) are something that the American Public should support.

/Completely fair to ask the exact same questions of Obama
//Fair thing to ask of the reporters and their organizations also
///Completely frustrating to do the same with family members and "their team"
 
2012-08-27 10:26:22 AM  

justinguarini4ever: The whole time this Akin thing was going on, I had no idea that I shared a backyard with his son and campaign manager. He seems pretty normal. They like to pray outside, but to each their own.


Sorry.

If they're praying outside in their yard, I have the right to call them farking retarded attention whores.

They are equally allowed to call me "Satan's Spawn Revealed"

/Only one of us is correct
//Or maybe both
///Or neither
////Or beer
//beer
//be
 
2012-08-27 10:28:25 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.


Agreed. If they told me my subscription was henceforth going to include only the lead article in talk of the town and surowiecki's financial page, I'd probably still pay the rate and be happy with it.

But without the cartoons a little bit of me would die.

For balance, I read the bumper stickers on the pickup trucks on the freeway when I drive to work. They're usually more intelligent and thoughtful than Fox News.
 
2012-08-27 10:30:14 AM  

Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."


No that's not right. It's not just non-WASPs they want to disenfranchise, it's the young too. I forget who, but some Repub politician once said that youth shouldn't be allowed to vote because they don't make good choices (don't vote Republican).

On a side note as a resident of PA, I'd like to say how sad it is that our nation is going from a place where everyone has a say to a place where only people with the "correct" beliefs have a say.
 
2012-08-27 10:36:10 AM  
The platform of Mitt Romney's Party is not the platform of Mitt Romney.

The budget proposals of Mitt Romney's running mate are not the budget proposals of Mitt Romney.

What is the platform of Mitt Romney? What are his budget proposals? Those questions are off limits.

Mitt Romney: Valiantly standing behind nothing of substance.
 
2012-08-27 10:44:59 AM  
 
2012-08-27 10:49:57 AM  
I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.
 
2012-08-27 10:50:22 AM  

spman: Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


In Indiana, according to a study (PDF), 10.7% of people who voted in 2006 did not have a government issued ID.

(PROTIP: They were able to respond to a telephone poll.)
 
2012-08-27 10:50:49 AM  

spman: Here's something else to consider, how is it even conceivably possible to function in society without at least SOME form of Photo Identification?


Pretty simple:

1) Lots of people don't own cars. I grew up in the city and didn't get my DL until I was 21. I then went 5 years without driving once. I'm living back in the city again, sold my car. In the last year I've only driven twice -- car rentals for out of town trips -- and someone else could have easily done the driving had I not had a DL.

2) Not everyone drinks.

3) Most people rarely fly. I would say flying is the only time I consistently have to use my photo ID.

A lot of senior citizens go 3/3 on this list.
 
2012-08-27 10:51:02 AM  

Cletus C.: I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.


You know, you're persistent, but at least kind of subtle, which is admirable.
 
2012-08-27 10:51:18 AM  

Cletus C.: I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.


Getting his tax rate down to 0.82% will of course be his highest priority.
 
2012-08-27 10:53:28 AM  

Cletus C.: I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.


There are probably tens of people who agree
 
2012-08-27 10:55:12 AM  

Notabunny: Crist readies Democratic convention speech


Honestly I can't wait to see what Santorum says* at the keynote speech.

Because there's a spiteful f#cker who would gladly burn Romney at the price of this election. I predict a metaphorical Caesaring of Romney.**

/* "spew" is too easy of a joke and anything else might glide off the tongue but would leave a bad taste.
/** a literal Caesaring would be less funny***
/*** and so is the obvious salad tossing reference. Good Lord, Santorum is just a celebration of perversion.
 
2012-08-27 10:57:30 AM  

Notabunny: Crist readies Democratic convention speech


I wonder. If Crist had thrown his support behind the Democrats after losing the Senate primary in 2010, would Rick Scott or Marco Rubio have won their elections?

If Crist had run for the Senate as a Democrat, one assumes he would have gotten at least Kendrick Meek's votes; combined with his Independent votes this would have given him 49.7% to Rubio's 48.9%.
 
2012-08-27 10:58:22 AM  

Notabunny: Crist readies Democratic convention speech


Nothing like alienating a wildly popular politician in a critical swing state, Republicans
 
2012-08-27 10:59:21 AM  

Notabunny: Cletus C.: I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.

There are probably tens of people who agree


Romney can ignore the right wing now, cause what are they going to do, vote Obamao?

He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing. It's all about the economy and the contrived War on Women and all the rest will fall by the wayside by November.
 
2012-08-27 11:00:05 AM  
Bill's Summer Fantasy:

A last-minute decision opens up the town-hall style Presidential candidates' debate to unrehearsed spontaneous questions from the audience. A very good looking young black male in a $4,000 suit stands at the microphone and asks, "Governor Romney, your party has launched many, many anti-voter fraud laws in states across America, despite there having been no cases of fraud since 1936 in some of those states. If elected President, would you also support giving children the smallpox vaccine, a much more recent threat?"

Of course, without saying much more than the word vaccine, the man is tackled by a flying leap from Charles Krauthammer.


/Also, Reince Priebus? Is that a name?
//Sounds like the model name of the 2013 Trabant four-door.
 
2012-08-27 11:04:43 AM  

Cletus C.: He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing.


Because he was in a state where it was politically expedient to do so, if pandering to the religious nutters will move his agenda forward he will do that.
 
2012-08-27 11:07:46 AM  
How far to the extremist right has the republican party moved?

In 1964, George Romney, then the governor of Michigan, walked out of the Republican National Convention during Barry Goldwater's acceptance speech. He was protesting his party's sharp turn rightward and its weak platform plank on civil rights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-mitt-romneys-image-p r oblem/2012/08/26/654398d0-ee17-11e1-b0eb-dac6b50187ad_story.html?wp_lo gin_redirect=0
 
2012-08-27 11:10:47 AM  

shastacola: How far to the extremist right has the republican party moved?

In 1964, George Romney, then the governor of Michigan, walked out of the Republican National Convention during Barry Goldwater's acceptance speech. He was protesting his party's sharp turn rightward and its weak platform plank on civil rights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-mitt-romneys-image-p r oblem/2012/08/26/654398d0-ee17-11e1-b0eb-dac6b50187ad_story.html?wp_lo gin_redirect=0


I love that; it illustrates how deep and profound the rightward shift has been over the last half-century.

Barry Goldwater was too far right for 1960s Republicans.
2010 Republicans are too far right for Barry Goldwater.
 
2012-08-27 11:11:23 AM  
Its the RNC2012 EtchAScketch edition!  i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-27 11:11:43 AM  

Cletus C.: He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing.


Right... Which is why he fought the issuing of marriage licenses to homosexuals in MA tooth and nail and eventually gave up because the MA legislature had the votes to over rule him.
 
2012-08-27 11:15:54 AM  
"wenty years ago this month, Republicans convened at the Astrodome, in Houston, to nominate George H. W. Bush for reëlection to the Presidency."

I like how the article writer and his editor used an umlaut rather than a hyphen. Very professional.
 
2012-08-27 11:18:56 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Notabunny: Crist readies Democratic convention speech

Honestly I can't wait to see what Santorum says* at the keynote speech.

Because there's a spiteful f#cker who would gladly burn Romney at the price of this election. I predict a metaphorical Caesaring of Romney.**

/* "spew" is too easy of a joke and anything else might glide off the tongue but would leave a bad taste.
/** a literal Caesaring would be less funny***
/*** and so is the obvious salad tossing reference. Good Lord, Santorum is just a celebration of perversion.


I'm now thinking santorum with croutons and have to go throw-up now
 
2012-08-27 11:24:19 AM  

mrshowrules: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Notabunny: Crist readies Democratic convention speech

Honestly I can't wait to see what Santorum says* at the keynote speech.

Because there's a spiteful f#cker who would gladly burn Romney at the price of this election. I predict a metaphorical Caesaring of Romney.**

/* "spew" is too easy of a joke and anything else might glide off the tongue but would leave a bad taste.
/** a literal Caesaring would be less funny***
/*** and so is the obvious salad tossing reference. Good Lord, Santorum is just a celebration of perversion.

I'm now thinking santorum with croutons and have to go throw-up now


Yikes.

Well, try not to think of the croutons as dead-ass compacted dried up little gerbils.
 
2012-08-27 11:26:44 AM  

Bob16: I guess this is suppose to mean that there is something new in the retard republican platform which is obviously a lie.

Its been the same "we hate anybody thats not rich" platform since the 1870's.


There's been a few changes over the years.

i983.photobucket.com

I haven't looked. Is it worth adding a 2012 update?
 
2012-08-27 11:27:37 AM  

Headso: Cletus C.: He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing.

Because he was in a state where it was politically expedient to do so, if pandering to the religious nutters will move his agenda forward he will do that.


Like I said, they got nowhere else to go, so pandering is not needed after wading through the hellfires of the nomination process. He lives in a country where it is politically expedient to focus on the economy.
 
2012-08-27 11:28:30 AM  

Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."


Reagan hated Democratic elections. He worked to overturn them all over Latin America.
 
2012-08-27 11:28:48 AM  

PreMortem: PreMortem: The question needs to be asked if he would veto a no-exclusion abortion bill if it got before him.

Catch 22.

Oh and if he were forced to answer, say in a debate, he would lose the election. Guaranteed.


Good thing he probably won't ask, and he won't answer.
 
2012-08-27 11:36:13 AM  

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing.

Because he was in a state where it was politically expedient to do so, if pandering to the religious nutters will move his agenda forward he will do that.

Like I said, they got nowhere else to go, so pandering is not needed after wading through the hellfires of the nomination process. He lives in a country where it is politically expedient to focus on the economy.


He will need to pander to them if he gets elected, you can expect religious freak supreme court justices and signing of bigotry bills and indecency laws in exchange for lower taxes for Mitt Romney's tax bracket at the expense of the poor and middle class.
 
2012-08-27 11:41:05 AM  

Headso: Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: He has shown his religiously rooted anti-gay and anti-abortion personal views do not interfere in his governing.

Because he was in a state where it was politically expedient to do so, if pandering to the religious nutters will move his agenda forward he will do that.

Like I said, they got nowhere else to go, so pandering is not needed after wading through the hellfires of the nomination process. He lives in a country where it is politically expedient to focus on the economy.

He will need to pander to them if he gets elected, you can expect religious freak supreme court justices and signing of bigotry bills and indecency laws in exchange for lower taxes for Mitt Romney's tax bracket at the expense of the poor and middle class.


Also a zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-08-27 12:02:51 PM  
I assumed that the platform of Mitt Romney was Windows ME...
 
2012-08-27 12:11:34 PM  

Cythraul: Who knows what Mitt's 'platform' is since he's made it obvious that he'll switch whatever opinion he has in order to get elected.


Thread should have been over after this.
 
2012-08-27 12:13:21 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.


agreed.

as a member of the recently formed 'formerly conservative, socially liberal, but completely disappointed with any and all prospects' party, I find that the new yorker has the best writing, and can present controversial, or politically charged issues with a reverence for facts, such that the existence of bias is at least supported and explained by the author's interpretation and presentation of fact. 

/ i miss my subscription... might have to renew now that I have time to read the magazine again
// i prefer the magazine, because I read on the bus where my phone is not very capable of getting the internets.
 
2012-08-27 12:17:28 PM  
This is what I would attack Romney of if I was Obama.

"How does Romney plan on leading the whole country when he can't even manage or lead his own party".

Then just cite a gazillion examples of how the Party is a mess.
 
2012-08-27 12:23:55 PM  

MacEnvy: Lost Thought 00: He'll be signing laws created by a Republican Congress. His specific views are irrelevant

You know, he still gets to choose whether or not to sign them.


Is that what you're running with? Rmoney is a mavericky maverick who will go against the Republican agenda and will in no way be a rubber stamp for their bills?
 
2012-08-27 12:33:37 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Well, try not to think of the croutons as dead compacted dried up little ass-gerbils.


ftfy
 
2012-08-27 12:34:58 PM  
This made me lol:
After the 1992 Convention, the columnist Molly Ivins wrote that Pat Buchanan's speech "probably sounded better in the original German."


...I was 7-years-old in 1992...
 
2012-08-27 12:37:19 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The New Yorker is one of the few places that still employs real journalists and real writers.


And the editors to support them, which is how quality control happens. The New Yorker still employs fact-checkers, when Time and Newsweek did away with those jobs almost 20 years ago.
 
2012-08-27 12:41:52 PM  

Muta: ... and even if Romney disagrees with the bigots in the Republican party, he will need the support of the bigots. If Romney wants to move his economic policies forward he'll need Teabagger support to do so. To gain Teabag support, Romney will need to concede on social issues to them. A vote for Romney is a vote for the Teabaggers.



I disagree.
You think a Tea Partier will vote for a black, Democrat from Chicago? Un-farking-likely
 
2012-08-27 12:47:02 PM  
media.avclub.com


Zathaas sees difference
 
2012-08-27 12:58:31 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Well, try not to think of the croutons as dead compacted dried up little ass-gerbils.

ftfy


Hmm. I could've sworn I used the hyphen responsibly there.

Which indicates that I've used the phrase "dead-ass" before on my phone.

/probably concluding a long texting conversation while on the toilet
//mom complained I never made time for her; I think it's an efficient use.
 
2012-08-27 01:13:53 PM  

BLeap: No that's not right. It's not just non-WASPs they want to disenfranchise, it's the young too. I forget who, but some Repub politician once said that youth shouldn't be allowed to vote because they don't make good choices (don't vote Republican).

On a side note as a resident of PA, I'd like to say how sad it is that our nation is going from a place where everyone has a say to a place where only people with the "correct" beliefs have a say.



It was Coulter, if that counts as someone. And you don't have a country where everyone has a say because you don't hear from everyone. You hear from what, half the population, in a really good election cycle?

You guys may have started the democracy ball rolling, but you're using such a primitive form of it.
 
2012-08-27 01:22:41 PM  

coco ebert: JulezM: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x460]

Speaking of the poor, here's a piece on the hate Republicans have for the poor: Link


Thanks mate. I like Goodman.
 
2012-08-27 01:25:38 PM  
I just want a TV news camera at the GOP convention to swing through the crowd, focus on a boisterous rabble-rouser holding forth in his corner, or maybe at the podium, and record him saying the N-word against the President of the United States.

The President at that point could be fitted in his tux for his next inaugural ball.
 
2012-08-27 01:59:17 PM  
Mitt Romney has been for and against virtually everything multiple times. So ok.
 
2012-08-27 01:59:42 PM  
 
2012-08-27 03:21:53 PM  

bigevildan: Aren't all platforms the platform of Mitt Romney?


cmro.travis-starnes.com

I am of all platforms, in my fashion.
 
2012-08-27 03:46:19 PM  

Darth Macho: Bob16: I guess this is suppose to mean that there is something new in the retard republican platform which is obviously a lie.

Its been the same "we hate anybody thats not rich" platform since the 1870's.

There's been a few changes over the years.

[i983.photobucket.com image 648x562]

I haven't looked. Is it worth adding a 2012 update?


Notice how things really start to go off the rails right around the time of Reagan.
 
2012-08-27 11:38:21 PM  

spman: Gergesa: I think the Republican party just needs to be more honest in why they are pursuing voter ID laws. The party should just come out and say "We only want WASPs voting. You others don't vote the way we like."

Oh yeah, it definitely has NOTHING to do with curbing voter fraud, right? Even if it doesn't occur in any sort of statistically significant fashion, it's still a problem.

You can say that with a straight face, when 2/3 of the states are running insecure diebold voting machines without a paper backup. You're either a 1) a moron, 2) overhaul wearing, out house using, trash burning in the front yard ignorant, or 3) a republican shill.

Which is it?
 
2012-08-28 06:56:14 AM  

Cletus C.: Notabunny: Cletus C.: I am confident that Romney is moderate enough to not let social issues derp get in the way of fixing this country's economic mess.

There are probably tens of people who agree

Romney can ignore the right wing now, cause what are they going to do, vote Obamao?


Yet they all seem to think that lefties who did not get all they wanted from Obama will now vote for Romney? I hear that from a lot of people. Including this guy:

"Obama duped young people by not doing every single thing they want, so now, they'll all vote Republican. It's like when I want some bread, I won't settle for half a loaf. Instead, I will have a muffin made of broken glass." -Stephen Colbert
 
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