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(SFGate)   It turns out most low-income seniors can't afford to live in San Francisco   (sfgate.com) divider line 94
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2012-08-27 02:27:38 AM  
I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.
 
2012-08-27 02:48:39 AM  
Who knew?
 
2012-08-27 03:28:02 AM  
Investment bankers can't afford San Francisco.
 
2012-08-27 05:29:04 AM  
Aw snap, you don't say!

You have to move inland when you give up on your dreams. That's a rule.
 
2012-08-27 05:46:25 AM  

fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.


You can't park in SF for 35k a year. It may pay for a date though...Two tickets to a movie, a soda, but I'd stick to the medium popcorn.
 
2012-08-27 06:19:13 AM  

fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.


My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.
 
2012-08-27 06:20:21 AM  
Sometimes I wonder if they don't deliberately keep the cost of living there high, just to keep out the undesirables.
 
2012-08-27 06:37:21 AM  
You would think that a city filled with democrats and run by bleeding heart liberals would have had the foresight to plan for this. I suppose their having to choose between housing and food is an unreported scandal.
 
2012-08-27 07:02:31 AM  
Then get a job and stop whining, you retired hippie!
 
2012-08-27 07:03:25 AM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.

My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.


Most people pay good money for that kind of entertainment.
 
2012-08-27 07:03:46 AM  
stupid republican policies!
 
2012-08-27 07:10:09 AM  

Friskya: Sometimes I wonder if they don't deliberately keep the cost of living there high, just to keep out the undesirables.


DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

Just like every other city. Boston and most of MA does that. It's ok, they have a nice safe warm ghetto for people who can't afford the city.

I still can't figure out why my brother thought moving from Boston to San Fran would pan out better. Oh well, his wife just got a sweet promotion. Cha-ching.
 
2012-08-27 07:11:11 AM  
It turns out most low-income seniors can't afford to live in San Francisco

FTFY
 
2012-08-27 07:12:23 AM  
Old people don't really like suburbs. High density living is more convenient, safer and more social. As the Boomers start to retire, the suburbs will start to empty out and new higher density city centers will appear all across America, or older city centers once abandoned by the Boomers will fill up again .

This is already happening now, but in ten years it will be a big deal..
 
2012-08-27 07:17:10 AM  
Why don't they just cross the bridge and move to Marin County?
 
2012-08-27 07:18:26 AM  

fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.


who makes so little in SF?

were you assistent Fry Cook at Burger KIng?
 
2012-08-27 07:20:32 AM  

Friskya: Sometimes I wonder if they don't deliberately keep the cost of living there high, just to keep out the undesirables.


undesireables?

man SF Is FILLED with undesirables. From the traditional type of drunk ass tramp in the 'loin to the incredibly douchey yuppies in the marina to the stinky aggressive pan handling teenagers in the haight, SF has PLENTY of undesirables
 
2012-08-27 07:20:51 AM  
ww3.hdnux.com
And not a single fark was given that day
 
2012-08-27 07:20:59 AM  

ilambiquated: Old people don't really like suburbs. High density living is more convenient, safer and more social. As the Boomers start to retire, the suburbs will start to empty out and new higher density city centers will appear all across America, or older city centers once abandoned by the Boomers will fill up again .

This is already happening now, but in ten years it will be a big deal..


Nice, the cities will only be old people and crazy people. The young will take over the suburbs.......again.
 
2012-08-27 07:21:20 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Sgt Otter: fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.

My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.

Most people pay good money for that kind of entertainment.


Sometimes when opportunity knocks, it's at 2AM, and she's dressed like a lesbian S&M hooker/ ladyboy turf war.
 
2012-08-27 07:23:03 AM  
Quick, somebody get Pelosi on this!
 
2012-08-27 07:23:15 AM  
The good thing is that San Fran is very homeless friendly, so it all evens out
 
2012-08-27 07:28:06 AM  
How to live in San Francisco? Do it the American way - you inherit the property.
 
2012-08-27 07:33:52 AM  
I wonder how much longer it will take until eating meat (not the human kind, silly) would be banished from the city.
 
2012-08-27 07:36:12 AM  

Father_Jack: Friskya: Sometimes I wonder if they don't deliberately keep the cost of living there high, just to keep out the undesirables.

undesireables?

man SF Is FILLED with undesirables. From the traditional type of drunk ass tramp in the 'loin to the incredibly douchey yuppies in the marina to the stinky aggressive pan handling teenagers in the haight, SF has PLENTY of undesirables


This. I've been to SF twice after always wanting to go and while yes, the Marina is nice and the Golden Gate Bridge is pretty (well, when you don't see someone jumping off it like we did the second time we were there) and Alcatraz is interesting and AT&T Park rocks, but I couldn't get over how dirty Union Square was, plus every doorway seemed to reek of urine. Same with Haight-Ashbury, although I noticed an effort was made in the Castro district to keep things clean. My husband was dumb enough to give some kid a dollar when we were in the Haight and for the next three blocks we were followed by him screaming about how cheap we were. It's a weird place.
 
2012-08-27 07:38:34 AM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.

My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.


I'll be in my bunk...
 
2012-08-27 07:39:01 AM  
They just have to be creative. During the summer months, live outdoors in one of the many parks, alleys or parking garages. This will save money for rent in the Fall and Winter when it's colder.

The food in dumpsters behind the restaurant is just as good as the stuff they sell. Skip the ambiance and save.

Save on medical bills by laying down in the street and waiting for an ambulance. They'll take you straight to the hospital where you can give a phony name and address.

For security, join a gang. Twenty seniors packing old timey shaving razors is an imposing force on the streets. No one is going to mess with a senior who has a sharp object and a very long story about where they got that sharp object.

You seniors are the guys that went through WWII. This should be a cakewalk for you.
 
2012-08-27 07:56:43 AM  
San Francisco, San Francisco
You are a muddering bum
In a brown paper bag
Too beat to make it with a girl
On the street corner in the rain. -Kerouac
 
2012-08-27 07:59:07 AM  
they should form some kind of commune....
 
2012-08-27 08:05:00 AM  
This just in... Social Security was supposed to be a safety net to keep seniors from having to eat dog food, it was never intended to sustain an uptown lifestyle on its own.
 
2012-08-27 08:06:10 AM  
I left my heart in San Fransisco.

/Rice-A-Roni
 
2012-08-27 08:09:00 AM  
Third generation native san franciscan.

Grew up in my grandmother's house in the avenues, of which she was the original owner.

It was doable until I had a couple offspring, then forget it.

Now I live in virginia, which is way more affordable. I just have to pretend Im an anthropologist all the time.

/brool story co.
 
2012-08-27 08:15:39 AM  

EnviroDude: You would think that a city filled with democrats and run by bleeding heart liberals would have had the foresight to plan for this. I suppose their having to choose between housing and food is an unreported scandal.


I realize you are trolling (shocking), but this is how the market works. If a place is highly desired to live in, either due to natural beauty, economic advantages, or any other compelling reason, it is more expensive to live in. Why do you hate the free market?
 
2012-08-27 08:15:45 AM  

jeffowl: This just in... Social Security was supposed to be a safety net to keep seniors from having to eat dog food, it was never intended to sustain an uptown lifestyle on its own.


This. I'm fairly liberal but you need a lot of money to afford to live in expensive places. That's why they're called expensive places. If you no longer have a high paying job or a big fat bank account or a relative willing to take you in, you'll have to face the eventual truth that you just can't afford upscale living.
 
2012-08-27 08:17:14 AM  
The woman in the article even admits that she saved nothing. I don't feel sorry for her at all, mainly because she won the old people lottery and they gave her a nice apartment.
 
2012-08-27 08:21:48 AM  
***NEWSFLASH***

Living in a nice city is very expensive. The further away you move from the center of the city, the more prices on rent will drop.
The views won't be as nice, and you won't have all the conveniences, but you still can have a nice affordable life. Of course YMMV, depending upon your current income, or how you planned for your latter years. If you depended solely upon SS for retirement, then you're pretty much screwed.
Old people are not able to get all bootstrappy. Help your parents out as much as possible if they need it. Let it be a lesson to you to live a little more frugal now, and set some money aside for later on in life. If you live in an expensive area, make plans to retire somewhere cheaper.
I hate to pay taxes as much or more then the next guy, but don't let politicians make tax cuts that will effect SS, or programs for the elderly. There are many other areas that can be cut first. You can tell a lot about a society on how they treat their senior citizens.
 
2012-08-27 08:26:53 AM  

jeffowl: This just in... Social Security was supposed to be a safety net to keep seniors from having to eat dog food, it was never intended to sustain an uptown lifestyle on its own.


Exactly what I came here to say.
 
2012-08-27 08:30:33 AM  
"Beverly Brumfield worked hard all her life, but she didn't really know hard until the golden years hit. She had no savings. She was alone. Her Social Security check didn't cover rent."

Is it just me, or does the above make no sense?  She discovered she was a hard worker because she was old, alone and broke?
 
2012-08-27 08:36:16 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: ilambiquated: Old people don't really like suburbs. High density living is more convenient, safer and more social. As the Boomers start to retire, the suburbs will start to empty out and new higher density city centers will appear all across America, or older city centers once abandoned by the Boomers will fill up again .

This is already happening now, but in ten years it will be a big deal..

Nice, the cities will only be old people and crazy people. The young will take over the suburbs.......again.


It sucks when people are allowed to do whatever the hell they want, doesn't it.
 
2012-08-27 08:37:09 AM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.

My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.


Free entertainment. Bonus.
 
2012-08-27 08:39:27 AM  

alizeran: Third generation native san franciscan.

Grew up in my grandmother's house in the avenues, of which she was the original owner.

It was doable until I had a couple offspring, then forget it.

Now I live in virginia, which is way more affordable. I just have to pretend Im an anthropologist all the time.

/brool story co.



That should be pretty easy.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:13 AM  
What makes San Fran so much more expensive than other areas of the country? It's California, so I'm assuming they are taxed and social programmed to death...?
 
2012-08-27 08:41:35 AM  

bearcats1983: What makes San Fran so much more expensive than other areas of the country? It's California, so I'm assuming they are taxed and social programmed to death...?


Some might say the weather and the diverse population. People want to be there because the temperatures are mild and there are already lots of people there.
 
2012-08-27 08:42:50 AM  

cman: I wonder how much longer it will take until eating meat (not the human kind, silly) would be banished from the city.


You're talking about the city with Joe's Cable Car, where the hand-trimmed steak goes straight into the grinder and then straight onto the grill? The city that is home to Bacon Bacon food truck, and BaconCamp, which can only be described as ComicCon for Bacon?

Interesting fact: Small businesses (less than 10 employees) make up 85% of the city's businesses. It's the kind of place you WANT to be to start a business, not in the least because the government tries to keep the playing field from tilting toward large chains. Note the civic pride in San Francisco, the tendency for people to want to improve their city, to make it a place worth living? I can't help but believe that more small businesses mean more people have a stake in the economy, and thus are more apt to be involved in civic life. That nostalgic main street life that people claim to yearn for while buying another $200 cart of crap at Walmart? It's alive and well in SF.

/Born Floridian, used to live near San Francisco.
//Now live in Texas.
///San Antonio, not the retarded part
 
2012-08-27 08:49:08 AM  
Sounds like it's time to take prop 13 to 11.
 
2012-08-27 08:51:33 AM  
She wouldn't be in that kind of situation if she would simply move out and relocate to a much lower cost of living loctaion...such as Minersville, Pennsylvania.
 
2012-08-27 08:57:01 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: They just have to be creative. During the summer months, live outdoors in one of the many parks, alleys or parking garages. This will save money for rent in the Fall and Winter when it's colder.

The food in dumpsters behind the restaurant is just as good as the stuff they sell. Skip the ambiance and save.

Save on medical bills by laying down in the street and waiting for an ambulance. They'll take you straight to the hospital where you can give a phony name and address.

For security, join a gang. Twenty seniors packing old timey shaving razors is an imposing force on the streets. No one is going to mess with a senior who has a sharp object and a very long story about where they got that sharp object.

You seniors are the guys that went through WWII. This should be a cakewalk for you.


The guys that went through WWII are in their late 80s and 90s now, if they're even still alive. Today's seniors are the spoiled boomers who farked in the mud at Woodstock. And we're surprised that they didn't take responsibility for themselves and save some of their income?
 
2012-08-27 08:57:45 AM  

bearcats1983: What makes San Fran so much more expensive than other areas of the country? It's California, so I'm assuming they are taxed and social programmed to death...?


Challenging geography, for one.
 
2012-08-27 09:11:32 AM  

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: I was making 35K a year at my last job in SF and *I* could barely afford to live there. That's why I left.

My brother was making around the same, and the only place he could afford was a studio in the Tenderloin, between an Asian massage parlor and a lesbian S&M club, where the lady hookers and tranny hookers would have turf wars at 2am.


And what were the negative aspects?

Hyuk, hyuk.
 
2012-08-27 09:16:22 AM  

Bronzed War God


"Beverly Brumfield worked hard all her life, but she didn't really know hard until the golden years hit. She had no savings. She was alone. Her Social Security check didn't cover rent."

Is it just me, or does the above make no sense? She discovered she was a hard worker because she was old, alone and broke?


It doesn't help that 'hard' is used two different ways. The first one is in the context of a 'hard worker', meaning a diligent worker, but the second is 'hard' as in 'hardship'.

The author was probably trying to be clever but did not try hard enough.
 
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