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(ESPN)   Good news: Steelers' top draft pick DeCastro's ACL okay. Bad news: Everything else in that knee isn't   (espn.go.com) divider line 55
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2012-08-27 08:40:21 AM  
When I read this article, my first thought was "holy crap, his career could be over, just like that."

But of course, the concern is for the team, not the individual's disaster of pain, health and potentially career. I always find this such an odd reaction in a country known for its emphasis on individualism.
 
2012-08-27 08:55:53 AM  

wingedkat: When I read this article, my first thought was "holy crap, his career could be over, just like that."


Nah, this injury isn't nearly as bad as a torn ACL. It sounds like it would be much worse than it is. There's a chance he could play again this season, as I've known rugby players who have had this happen and been back in 10 weeks or so. Of course it depends on how bad the damage is to his MCL and patella tendon, but this could have been a whole lot worse.
 
2012-08-27 08:57:10 AM  
Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...

i.a.cnn.net

Karma's a biatch, ain't it?
 
2012-08-27 08:58:03 AM  
What doesn't kill him, makes him stronger. Or makes it easier for the next thing to kill him, you never know.
 
2012-08-27 08:58:34 AM  
The replay of that was so hard to look at. Even gumby's leg don't move like that


www.rantsports.com


Heal up soon, bro
 
2012-08-27 09:05:42 AM  

wingedkat: When I read this article, my first thought was "holy crap, his career could be over, just like that."

But of course, the concern is for the team, not the individual's disaster of pain, health and potentially career. I always find this such an odd reaction in a country known for its emphasis on individualism.


I want to believe it's a case of how great doctors have become at repairing these types of injuries. Just look at how far Adrian Peterson has come after a complete blow out of his knee 9 months ago.

But then the cynic takes a hold of me and sees how everyone is pressuring the Nationals front office into pitching Strasburg the rest of the season just because their team is doing well. Even though the plan was in place for over a year.
 
2012-08-27 09:08:19 AM  
It's ok, Ramon Foster is quite serviceable.

/I'll be crying in the corner if you need me
//next to Ben who can look forward to being sacked 50 times this year
 
2012-08-27 09:08:35 AM  

wingedkat: When I read this article, my first thought was "holy crap, his career could be over, just like that."


Its definitely not over, but he won't or shouldn't be used this season. And luckily for linemen they get to wear those knee braces every play now so when he comes back, he won't be at such a disadvantage.

/got over my torn ACL in less than a year...yay! Then tore my meniscus playing kickball...boo!
 
2012-08-27 09:45:14 AM  

EyeballKid: Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...

[i.a.cnn.net image 300x410]

Karma's a biatch, ain't it?


Really dude? You've got to be trolling.
 
2012-08-27 09:53:50 AM  

EyeballKid: Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...



Karma's a biatch, ain't it?


And notice how we are chalking it up to 'sometimes unfortunate injuries happen' and not whining and biatching about it being intentional.
 
2012-08-27 09:55:26 AM  

iron_city_ap: And notice how we are chalking it up to 'sometimes unfortunate injuries happen' and not whining and biatching about it being intentional.


I think that was also Ben's rape defense.
 
2012-08-27 09:58:06 AM  

Donnchadha: EyeballKid: Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...

[i.a.cnn.net image 300x410]

Karma's a biatch, ain't it?

Really dude? You've got to be trolling.


Meh, the Yinzers have always been dirty. They just don't have a reputation like the Raiders and 49ers because "DURR HURR GRITTY TOWN!" even though Pittsburgh is about as gritty as Mountain View nowadays.
 
2012-08-27 10:00:23 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: wingedkat: When I read this article, my first thought was "holy crap, his career could be over, just like that."

Nah, this injury isn't nearly as bad as a torn ACL. It sounds like it would be much worse than it is. There's a chance he could play again this season, as I've known rugby players who have had this happen and been back in 10 weeks or so. Of course it depends on how bad the damage is to his MCL and patella tendon, but this could have been a whole lot worse.


Eh, I know we've gotten much better at fixing these things, but I guess I just don't think it will ever be the same. He may recover, but he's always going to have a bum knee. I suppose that's just the price of playing the game.
 
2012-08-27 10:04:48 AM  

EyeballKid: iron_city_ap: And notice how we are chalking it up to 'sometimes unfortunate injuries happen' and not whining and biatching about it being intentional.

I think that was also Ben's rape defense.


Trolling then.
 
2012-08-27 10:07:09 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Donnchadha: EyeballKid: Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...

[i.a.cnn.net image 300x410]

Karma's a biatch, ain't it?

Really dude? You've got to be trolling.

Meh, the Yinzers have always been dirty. They just don't have a reputation like the Raiders and 49ers because "DURR HURR GRITTY TOWN!" even though Pittsburgh is about as gritty as Mountain View nowadays.


Ignoring whether the Steelers are actually "dirty", the play Palmer got injured on wasn't dirty. So your point is pretty much irrelevant to that picture.
 
2012-08-27 10:21:22 AM  

js34603: Ignoring whether the Steelers are actually "dirty", the play Palmer got injured on wasn't dirty. So your point is pretty much irrelevant to that picture.


Quick. Where's Carson Palmer hiding the ball when Kimo von Oellhoffen hits his knee in that photo?
 
2012-08-27 10:22:12 AM  
Goddammit. I was really excited about some new beef on that patchwork line.
 
2012-08-27 10:25:10 AM  

EyeballKid: js34603: Ignoring whether the Steelers are actually "dirty", the play Palmer got injured on wasn't dirty. So your point is pretty much irrelevant to that picture.

Quick. Where's Carson Palmer hiding the ball when Kimo von Oellhoffen hits his knee in that photo?


Quick where was the ball 2 seconds ago when he lunged at Palmer's legs?

Hard to believe a still photo doesn't accurately represent live action. If you're stupid, I guess.
 
2012-08-27 10:30:17 AM  

js34603:

Quick where was the ball 2 seconds ago when he lunged at Palmer's legs?

Hard to believe a still photo doesn't accurately represent live action. If you're stupid, I guess.


Hey, when you have to always defend the occasional rapist or woman-beater on your team, I'm sure a dirty play or 3 fly right under the radar.
 
2012-08-27 10:34:22 AM  

EyeballKid: js34603:

Quick where was the ball 2 seconds ago when he lunged at Palmer's legs?

Hard to believe a still photo doesn't accurately represent live action. If you're stupid, I guess.

Hey, when you have to always defend the occasional rapist or woman-beater on your team, I'm sure a dirty play or 3 fly right under the radar.


You know how I know you realize you're wrong?

Cincinnati fan complaining about criminal behavior. It is almost too much to bear.

I'd be pissed about all that fail too if I were a Bungles fan.
 
2012-08-27 11:05:11 AM  

coolio mack: But then the cynic takes a hold of me and sees how everyone is pressuring the Nationals front office into pitching Strasburg the rest of the season just because their team is doing well. Even though the plan was in place for over a year.


And you know what's really bad about that? The exact same people would be castigating the Nats for "not taking it cautious on Strasburg" if the plan was to continue pitching him, and then his arm blew out again.
 
2012-08-27 11:12:18 AM  
yea, pittsburgh, what a dirty team full of miscreants and hoodlums.. if only they could hold themselves to the standard of the other 31 nfl teams.

List of innocent players
 
2012-08-27 11:16:07 AM  

bart2puck: yea, pittsburgh, what a dirty team full of miscreants and hoodlums.. if only they could hold themselves to the standard of the other 31 nfl teams.

List of innocent players


Nothing exudes innocence and culpability like "BUT EVERYBODY'S DOING IT!"
 
2012-08-27 11:51:15 AM  

EyeballKid: bart2puck: yea, pittsburgh, what a dirty team full of miscreants and hoodlums.. if only they could hold themselves to the standard of the other 31 nfl teams.

List of innocent players

Nothing exudes innocence and culpability like "BUT EVERYBODY'S DOING IT!"


You don't know what culpability means do you?
 
2012-08-27 11:55:48 AM  
As someone who is indifferent to the whole AFC North, Kimo Von Olhoffen is an asshole who made a dangerous, dirty play. You are never supposed to hit someone on the side of the knee for precisely this reason. Fark him.

Back on topic, Tough break for the Steelers. Good thing Ben is used to getting sacked at lightning speed and is apparently made out of iron. It always sucks to see a player get injured like that. I'm not sure how bad Patellar tendon injuries are for linemen, but they can be devastating to skill positions.
 
2012-08-27 12:24:00 PM  

Droog8912: As someone who is indifferent to the whole AFC North, Kimo Von Olhoffen is an asshole who made a dangerous, dirty play.


Yeah, he's turrible. Basically Darth vader....

"Yeah, I hate to see that happen to any player," von Oelhoffen said. "I don't think anybody on this team would intentionally do something like that."

at least one Bengals player - Pro Bowl tackle Willie Anderson- defended him after the game.

"I know Kimo. He's not a dirty player," Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter. "Guys were infuriated, but your first reaction is to defend your player. It wasn't a dirty play."
 
2012-08-27 12:34:23 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Droog8912: As someone who is indifferent to the whole AFC North, Kimo Von Olhoffen is an asshole who made a dangerous, dirty play.

Yeah, he's turrible. Basically Darth vader....

"Yeah, I hate to see that happen to any player," von Oelhoffen said. "I don't think anybody on this team would intentionally do something like that."

at least one Bengals player - Pro Bowl tackle Willie Anderson- defended him after the game.

"I know Kimo. He's not a dirty player," Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter. "Guys were infuriated, but your first reaction is to defend your player. It wasn't a dirty play."


If you say in public that you don't see a dirty play, the dirty play you do in retaliation can't be seen as a dirty play.


/karma
/deal with it
 
2012-08-27 12:40:14 PM  
football should be shut down. these injuries are ridiculous.
 
2012-08-27 12:46:20 PM  

EyeballKid: JohnBigBootay: Droog8912: As someone who is indifferent to the whole AFC North, Kimo Von Olhoffen is an asshole who made a dangerous, dirty play.

Yeah, he's turrible. Basically Darth vader....

"Yeah, I hate to see that happen to any player," von Oelhoffen said. "I don't think anybody on this team would intentionally do something like that."

at least one Bengals player - Pro Bowl tackle Willie Anderson- defended him after the game.

"I know Kimo. He's not a dirty player," Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter. "Guys were infuriated, but your first reaction is to defend your player. It wasn't a dirty play."

If you say in public that you don't see a dirty play, the dirty play you do in retaliation can't be seen as a dirty play.


/karma
/deal with it


It was damn nice of karma to wait until the Steelers won the Super Bowl twice more before exacting revenge.
 
2012-08-27 12:50:55 PM  
Much as I loathe the Steelers, you never root for an injury. Hope he makes a full & speedy recovery.

/Then sucks.
 
2012-08-27 12:57:06 PM  

JohnBigBootay:
Yeah, he's turrible. Basically Darth vader....

"Yeah, I hate to see that happen to any player," von Oelhoffen said. "I don't think anybody on this team would intentionally do something like that."

at least one Bengals player - Pro Bowl tackle Willie Anderson- defended him after the game.

"I know Kimo. He's not a dirty player," Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter. "Guys were infuriated, but your first reaction is to defend your player. It wasn't a dirty play."


And you are expecting...what, exactly? Him to admit it? His teammate to admit it? It was dirty, and it was dangerous. Everyone, at every level, is told not to dive at the side of someone's knees. Hell, diving at the front of someone's knees is legal in some circumstances (cut blocking) and still frowned upon by anyone who isn't an offensive lineman because of the potential for injury.

I don't care what team you play on, whether it be the team I want to win or one I don't. It was a dick move; fark him.
 
2012-08-27 01:00:55 PM  
A rookie getting injured in pre-season is nothing like the star QB getting injured in a playoff game.
Pre-season injuries don't matter that much unless it's one of the 5 key players each playoff caliber team has. Even then if it's not the QB injured you still have time to figure out a strategy.
 
2012-08-27 01:04:09 PM  

js34603: It was damn nice of karma to wait until the Steelers won the Super Bowl twice more before exacting revenge.


I guess Karma works in extremely mysterious ways. In this case it decided they decided to reward Pittsburgh with a couple of rings and several more division titles before punishing a guy who was probably in the eighth grade when it happened. If this indeed is the result I hope it happens again.
 
2012-08-27 01:11:07 PM  

Droog8912: And you are expecting...what, exactly? Him to admit it? His teammate to admit it? It was dirty, and it was dangerous. Everyone, at every level, is told not to dive at the side of someone's knees. Hell, diving at the front of someone's knees is legal in some circumstances (cut blocking) and still frowned upon by anyone who isn't an offensive lineman because of the potential for injury.

I don't care what team you play on, whether it be the team I want to win or one I don't. It was a dick move; fark him.



That wasn't a quote from his teammate defending Von Ollhoffen, it was Bengals Pro-Bowler Willie Anderson, you know, like it said right there in the quote.
 
2012-08-27 01:11:40 PM  

js34603: //next to Ben who can look forward to being sacked 50 times this year


Or as that's called, a normal season
 
2012-08-27 01:16:39 PM  

EyeballKid: I think that was also Ben's rape defense.


Don't worry, plenty of holes in that with the offensive line snapping like a bunch of twigs

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2012-08-27 01:18:41 PM  

DanZero: js34603: //next to Ben who can look forward to being sacked 50 times this year

Or as that's called, a normal season


/more sobbing
 
2012-08-27 01:26:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay:
That wasn't a quote from his teammate defending Von Ollhoffen, it was Bengals Pro-Bowler Willie Anderson, you know, like it said right there in the quote.


Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter.

Derp.
 
2012-08-27 01:32:12 PM  

js34603: DanZero: js34603: //next to Ben who can look forward to being sacked 50 times this year

Or as that's called, a normal season

/more sobbing


I know, I know.
 
2012-08-27 01:34:14 PM  

Droog8912: Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter.


Right. That's Von Ollhoffen who moved to pittsburgh - from the Bengals oddly enough. Anderson was not his teammate, he was Palmer's fellow Bengal. Look, you are the guy who questioned the validity of a teammate defending Von Ollhoffen. I did not quote Von Ollhoffen's teammate, I quoted palmer's teammate defending Von Ollhoffen. So, my friend, the derp is all yours.
 
2012-08-27 02:22:13 PM  
It was damn nice of karma to wait until the Steelers won the Super Bowl twice more before exacting revenge.

Perhaps the Karma is going the other way. Maybe God doesn't want to live in a world where the Bengals are good, so he needed somebody to carry out HIS orders and take them down. Enter Kimo and his holy roller knee-destroyer, and he was actually doing The Big Man a favor.

So...God paid him back by gifting their team two super bowls that they otherwise would have lost, if He had not intervened and made both officiating crews 8 of the world's biggest Steelers fans.

Interesting theory, anyway....
 
2012-08-27 03:11:05 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: It was damn nice of karma to wait until the Steelers won the Super Bowl twice more before exacting revenge.

Perhaps the Karma is going the other way. Maybe God doesn't want to live in a world where the Bengals are good, so he needed somebody to carry out HIS orders and take them down. Enter Kimo and his holy roller knee-destroyer, and he was actually doing The Big Man a favor.

So...God paid him back by gifting their team two super bowls that they otherwise would have lost, if He had not intervened and made both officiating crews 8 of the world's biggest Steelers fans.

Interesting theory, anyway....


Or perhaps karma doesn't exist and this injury had absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer's?

But that ridiculous thing you posted, yeah that was probably it.
 
2012-08-27 04:10:59 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Droog8912: Anderson said of von Oelhoffen, who played for the Bengals from 1994-99 before moving to Pittsburgh for the chance to become a starter.

Right. That's Von Ollhoffen who moved to pittsburgh - from the Bengals oddly enough. Anderson was not his teammate, he was Palmer's fellow Bengal. Look, you are the guy who questioned the validity of a teammate defending Von Ollhoffen. I did not quote Von Ollhoffen's teammate, I quoted palmer's teammate defending Von Ollhoffen. So, my friend, the derp is all yours.


Willie Anderson career with Bengals: Drafted in 1996, cut in 2008
Kimo Von Oelhoffen career wtih Bengals: Drafted in 1994, left as free agent after 1999 season

Yes, you did indeed quote a friend and former teammate.
 
2012-08-27 04:22:31 PM  

Droog8912: Yes, you did indeed quote a friend and former teammate.


No. farking. shiat. But at the time he made THAT quote, he was not Kimo's teammate, he was Palmer's.

You said, And you are expecting...what, exactly? Him to admit it? His teammate to admit it?

Don't try to say now you actually meant his former teammate.
 
2012-08-27 04:26:50 PM  
DeCastro will NOT be put on IR.

That's tremendous news.
 
2012-08-27 04:37:50 PM  

drkdstryer: DeCastro will NOT be put on IR.

That's tremendous news.


Supposedly he has a chance to come back since the ACL was OK.

Personally, patellar tendon, MCL tear, and dislocated kneecap sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to stay off of for 6 months or so but I guess we'll see.

I'd rather him miss this season than cause any long term damage and hurt his promising career.
 
2012-08-27 04:41:51 PM  

js34603: drkdstryer: DeCastro will NOT be put on IR.

That's tremendous news.

Supposedly he has a chance to come back since the ACL was OK.

Personally, patellar tendon, MCL tear, and dislocated kneecap sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to stay off of for 6 months or so but I guess we'll see.

I'd rather him miss this season than cause any long term damage and hurt his promising career.


Agreed. But I remember reading the steelers had more O-line starting combination than any team in the league last year. I imagine if they are treading water around week 12 and castro says he can play that they'd bring him back. And be happy to have the option. The o-line line has been in sad shape for years and this year and this year looks just as bad if not worse.
 
2012-08-27 04:58:23 PM  
Good God the o-line cant get worse right? It will be the same guys shuffling through that were there last year...Legursky, Foster...you know, turnstiles wearing Jerseys. I know that rookie out of OSU hasn't looked ready to play yet, so I'm guessing Starks and Gilbert at tackle.

Still, I was worried about the line last year and they still managed to win 12 games. I don't think you can say the Steelers are SB contenders (if you even could before this), but I don't see how the line could play worse than last year and the Steelers did OK.

Now, an injury...any injury...on the line and the Steelers are farked. All of our depth will be starting, and if someone gets hurt, they might be trying to get that 6'11 500lb guy of of the GDFL to come play o-line.
 
2012-08-27 05:00:08 PM  

EyeballKid: Why am I not able to feel bad about this? Oh, right...


thedailyworld.com

Suck it, Brownhole. You got swept by the Bungholes and the freaking Texans hung 30 on the Browns last year.
Enjoy the cellar, dweller.
 
2012-08-27 09:18:00 PM  
Wow, Ben is going to get absolutely raped playing behind that line.
 
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