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2012-08-27 07:56:56 AM

Fark Angelic Choir: If you think spanking is bad for your kid, then don't do it. Fine. I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid. I don't know your kid. But please don't judge people who do decide to use occasional CONTROLLED spanking (not "beating the shiat out of") as a behavior deterrent.


I happen to believe that there are certain kids, in certain age groups, where said spankings, properly delivered, are the best corrective measures. It should not cause injury and should be fairly rare - only used in cases where the behavior you're attempting to prevent could cause physical harm. Something like running into the street, trying to poke a knife into a socket, etc...
 
2012-08-27 08:05:48 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Shakespeare's Sister: I cannot if this is effective or not for this child, but it is not what I would do to my son. Maybe this is what would work for him, but it would work for my kid

Are you sure your his sister?


Heehee. I can see why you would ask that. This is not the first time I have tried to post when both of my children are yelling at me to solve some imagined crisis.

Other than that, no, I am not. I am not that old. :)
 
2012-08-27 08:21:15 AM

zvoidx: The thing is this mother, I'm guessing, is in her 30's..let's just say 35. That would mean that she graduated high school in 1995! That was a short time ago; what happened so quickly to make her out of touch with youth?

My point being that she should have a fairly recent perspective of the teenage mindset and it would be much more effective to emphasize the reasons why she thinks pot isn't a good idea for a 13-year-old; for example bad for brain/body development, with tangible examples.

By adopting a "pot is bad/you're bad" stance and humiliating him, she sets the wall between them even higher which may increase the chances of a rebellious teenager doing even more drugs.


Seriously? Teenagers heed warnings about risky behavior based on logic and evidenced? Wow, you call HER out of touch with teens.

Maybe some kids actually do heed those warnings, but different kids respond to different forms of punishment. You honestly don't think this kid has ever heard about the dangers of drugs (not that pot is dangerous, they label it as such) and seen those stupid films in class? The kid is probably a recent DARE graduate.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:00 AM
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2012-08-27 08:46:41 AM

MixedNut: When I was in the first grade my mopther caught me lying about something and put a sign around my neck saying "Don't trust me I am a liar'" and sent me off to school. Needless to say I did not want to go to school like that but she forced me to leave. I walked to the end of the driveway and stood there in tears for a while till mom figured I had had learned a lesson and called me back, took off the sign and sent me to school. Yes I learned a lesson and was very careful about the telling the truth from that day on. Of course I have lied since then, everyone lies, but usually only to people who were a-holes and didn't deserve the truth.


Looks like your mom should have left the sign on for the day
 
2012-08-27 08:57:55 AM
Newsflash - The worst people in the world ( amerikans ) turm out to be the worst parents.
 
2012-08-27 08:58:09 AM

Begoggle: Stupid tag is for submitter?

Ringo48: I love the hypocrisy here.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do nothing, there's outrage on Fark.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do something, there's outrage on Fark.

If his mom caught him smoking, then he's obviously not very smart, and it's only a matter of time before he gets in legal trouble over it, which will be an expensive pain in the ass for his parents. That's probably why they're stopping it now.

This^


Wow, it's almost as if Farkers aren't part of a homogeneous hive mind.

/People here seem to different opinions and everything!
//I'd like to present the politics tab as exhibit A.
 
2012-08-27 09:09:25 AM
Don't get caught!
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2012-08-27 09:14:47 AM

Ringo48: I love the hypocrisy here.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do nothing, there's outrage on Fark.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do something, there's outrage on Fark.

If his mom caught him smoking, then he's obviously not very smart, and it's only a matter of time before he gets in legal trouble over it, which will be an expensive pain in the ass for his parents. That's probably why they're stopping it now.


Different people have different opinions on an internet message board? Say it ain't so!

/hypocracy doesn't apply when you're talking about multiple people
 
2012-08-27 09:28:41 AM

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LOL
 
2012-08-27 09:37:23 AM
Yes humiliate your 13 year old, that's good parenting right there. Of course she got this brilliant parenting technique from our court system.

The Scarlett Letter is a critic of puritan society, not a how to manual for parenting and legal systems.
 
2012-08-27 09:54:53 AM
He's gonna need to do a lot of drugs to get over it
 
2012-08-27 10:02:21 AM
I think this punishment is inappropriate. In my house, the punishment for not sharing is confiscation. Since her kid didn't share his weed with her - and obviously, that's unacceptable - she should have taken the weed and smoked it herself. He'd feel excluded, and that's what your looking for in a sharing-failure punishment.
 
2012-08-27 10:03:33 AM

RminusQ: NetOwl: I do think it's funny that the sign includes the "...got caught" it does sort of imply that the pot smoking is OK as long as no one finds out.

Maybe that was the point.

A little humiliation from one's parents is easier to get through than what cops would do to him. The punishment sends a clear message that he is not being careful enough, an if he doesn't shap up, he'll end up in real trouble.

To me, it illustrates that the worst thing that can and will happen if you smoke pot is that you'll get caught. If he doesn't stop, "he'll end up in real trouble" not because marijuana will fark you up or make you crash your car or jump off a building, but because someone more powerful than Mom and Dad will catch you.


I tell mine: Smoking a little pot now and then will not mess up your life at all. Getting busted, however, will. However nice being high may feel, it is not nearly nice enough to throw away your scholarship, extracurriculars for the rest of HS, admission to the college of your choice, ect, not to mention having to explain a criminal record at every job interview for the rest of your life.

Therefore, as your parent and yes, the boss of you, I am making the rule that you may not smoke pot, posess pot, have pot in this house, or hang out with people who are in posession of or smoking pot.
 
2012-08-27 10:21:16 AM

Firethorn: highwayrun: This is nonsense. If we decriminalize marijuana, it's decriminalized. Done. We don't throw people who buy smokes in jail, we don't put people who buy fifths of vodka in jail, there's no point in having criminal penalties associated with a substance if we're willing to, as a society, let people have it. The rest of the civilized world has drinking laws that reflect reality; why is it wrong for 14-year-olds to drink? If adults could legally smoke pot, why couldn't a sixteen-year-old? There aren't big groups of developmentally disabled adults wandering around Germany because they all had steins of beer with dinner as teenagers,

Did you actually read what I said? I wasn't proposing tossing people who buy tobacco/alcohol in jail. I was talking about duplicating the penalties providers face for SELLING said substances to prohibited minors under a 'legalized weed' framework. Said penalties are typically jail-free. I honestly don't think there's any chance of getting marijuana legalized for the sub-18 crowd. As such, like I just said, I think that the penalties for providing weed to minors should be about the same as providing tobacco or alcohol to them - typically it's only a fine. Nasty large fine, but merely a fine.

Criminal charges would be for selling illegally adulterated drugs(contaminated food/drug laws), or otherwise showing a supreme disdain for the safety of the product you're selling to the public.

Doing stuff like allowing parents to provide recreational drugs to their kids like alcohol, tobacco, or even marijuana can wait until later.

Lastly - most 'decriminalization' schemes only legalize possession of small amounts, it doesn't legalize production, transportation, or sale of large quantities. To distinguish from that, normally I say 'legalize'. It doesn't mean that there are no laws left regarding the drug in question, it can still be regulated(purity, safety, truth in advertising, and such), and taxed(hopefully not as much as cigarett ...


Yes, I did read what you said. My point is that marijuana is of itself harmless, more so than known poisons like nicotine and alcohol. If we can all come to the conclusion that it's no more harmful than a freshly picked tomato. then why does it matter if teenagers smoke it?

To be fair, I also think all recreaional drugs should be legal and regulated like OTC medications are. If I can walk down to the liquor store and buy enough Everclear to kill myself, why is that okay, but it's not okay to go buy enough heroin to OD? No one's ever died from too much pot or too much X or too much acid, but thousands of people die yearly from OTC and prescription overdoses.

Your mind and body are your own.
 
2012-08-27 10:24:00 AM

Rent Party: AverageAmericanGuy:
Not for nothing, but that guy could stand to explain a bit more on his sign. As it is, I figured he was just a crazy guy.

Doesn't he have a poster of an aborted fetus or something?

The angry old ladies in Renton have a monopoly on aborted fetus posters.

One day, when I'm bored with nothing to do, I'm going to dress up as Jesus/Elvis, make bunch of signs that say "Freaky Jesus Forgives Safe Sex" and "Jesus Wants You To Get Your Freak On Safely" and "Condoms Stop Abortions" and stand there with them, handing out condoms to passing cars.

For the lulz.


I heart you for this. And plz, plz submit vid of this for our viewing pleasure.

There's a nasty billboard her which says: Abortion increases your risk of breast cancer. (BTW abortion doesn't magically cause cancer, and doesn't increase the risk over not being pregnant in the first place. It just denies the woman the slight decrease in risk that a full term pregnancy gives.) I want to rent the billboard next to it and put up:

TEEN PREGNANCY PROTECTS AGAINST BREAST CANCER! THE YOUNGER, THE BETTER! AND THE MORE BABBIES YOU FORM UNDER 18, THE SAFER YOU ARE!

Which is true, actually. If we all got knocked up shortly after menarche, and kept right on breeding into our thirties, we'd go a long way towards making breast cancer a thing of the past.

Then I realised that as long as they could marry the little girls off first, this is a utopian fantasy for a certain segment of the population. Then I got very, very sad...
 
2012-08-27 10:36:36 AM

highwayrun: Yes, I did read what you said. My point is that marijuana is of itself harmless, more so than known poisons like nicotine and alcohol. If we can all come to the conclusion that it's no more harmful than a freshly picked tomato. then why does it matter if teenagers smoke it?


I support legalization, and think that pot is not nearly as harmful as alchohol, but this is silly. Even without the actual pot itself, drawing hot smoke into your lungs and holding it in there as long as you can is not good for you.

A freshly picked tomato is full of good things that your body needs. Eating one is 100% benefit. Pot is not very harmful. It's an entirely different thing. Altogether.

/is eating a freshly picked tomato right now
//getting a kick
 
2012-08-27 10:49:38 AM
Shame, embarrassment, and guilt will hopefully set this kid straight. There is plenty of time to experiment later, if he is so inclined.
 
2012-08-27 10:57:42 AM

Firethorn: Rent Party: One day, when I'm bored with nothing to do, I'm going to dress up as Jesus/Elvis, make bunch of signs that say "Freaky Jesus Forgives Safe Sex" and "Jesus Wants You To Get Your Freak On Safely" and "Condoms Stop Abortions" and stand there with them, handing out condoms to passing cars.

For the lulz.

Let me know. I'll show up in the most conservative getup I can put together without buying anything new(probably my 'celebrate diversity' with like 50 handguns on it) and provide security/documentation services. :)


These are just little old ladies. Harmless as a bunch of mice.

Besides, if I needed guns, I'd bring my own. But thanks for the offer!
 
2012-08-27 12:17:35 PM
"Stupid" tag???? Far from stupid. She's a parent that actually gives a damn about her kid.


"Time outs and taking things away just doesn't work any more. Sometimes a little public humility is what they need nowadays to get a point across. If this works for him and maybe saves one or two other students from thinking about picking this stuff up, then I feel like I've done my job as a parent," said April Mathison.
When she first told him about the punishment, she says her son was surprised.
"He was kind of embarrassed before we even got out here," said April Mathison. "He was like 'You're serious? You're going to have me stand on the road with a sign?' I was like 'Yes sir, if this is what it takes.' I don't think he believed me at first. I really don't."



The kid didn't listen to her.... the typical teenager who thinks they're always right and they know better than the parent. She got his attention and did something to make the incident stick in his mind. Regardless of all the "pot is good" misfits on here and their ideas about legalization, it is NOT LEGAL and the kid is old enough to know that he needs to abide by rules and laws in society.

Good job Mom.... one of the rare stories of a parent that actually cares about her kid. If more kids were sent out wearing signs when they did something wrong, many more kids would start to listen and obey. The newest generations are so hung up on posting every detail of their lives online for the whole world to see, but when it comes down to their actual community, they're embarrassed by people knowing they're in trouble. GOOD.

This mom doesn't want her kid sitting on the couch like a lump wondering where he's gonna score his next bag from..... she actually wants him to do something with his life.
 
2012-08-27 12:24:22 PM

vd61: Fark Angelic Choir: The kid wants to stop.

No, his mom wants him to stop and he is likely parroting what he knows she wants him to say. According to her he was a great kid prior. Now the kid says he has to turn his life around. It's not like he was robbing a store or something.




He probably IS just saying and doing what his mom wants him to..... but that will suffice until he's 18 and can make his own adult decisions. By then, perhaps he will have seen that he could do just fine without using pot as a crutch. Sorry, but you don't need to smoke pot to live. (Contrary to what the Fark "Sitting on the couch and scarfing Cheetos" club says.)
 
2012-08-27 12:42:20 PM
This kind of thing goes to show that we all have only two problems with ganja: The cost and the man.
 
2012-08-27 12:44:46 PM

dosboot: Shame, embarrassment, and guilt will hopefully set this kid straight


Ya, It worked at Abu Ghraib. It's the American way.
 
2012-08-27 12:55:16 PM

Ringo48: I love the hypocrisy here.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do nothing, there's outrage on Fark.

If a kid breaks the law and the parents do something, there's outrage on Fark.
....


Oh no, for God's sake, don't embarrass the kid! Precious snowflake shouldn't be hurt by this experience.

//lmao at all the rabid potheads in the thread
//all the non-potheads worried about precious snowflake too
 
2012-08-27 02:34:39 PM
I don`t think anyone should be raising their own children. Send them off to boot camp. Every single one.
 
2012-08-27 03:03:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If you need to resort to public humiliation to discipline your child, you've already failed as a parent.



I don't think you've failed. With a country that would be happy to toss you in jail for spanking your kid, this is the next best thing.
 
2012-08-27 07:43:09 PM
God forbid a parent discipline their kid in a way of their choosing. The bottom line is that the parent is responsible for the actions of their child until the child is at least 16, if not 18. If you tell your kid you don't want them to do something, and they do it anyway (even if it's a misdemeanor in my state), they made their choice and now they have to face their consequences. And now, the kid realizes that there's real consequences. She didn't fail as a parent, she's sending a clear message. Maybe a little over the top, but now the kid knows she means business.
And no, pot's not as dangerous as alcohol or other drugs. But that's not the point. Even if it's legalized, if you think for one second that those under 18 are going to be allowed to legally smoke it, you're already high. And if you think for one second that inhaling smoke in your lungs is 'safe', again, you're already high.
And if the parent tells their child not to do something while living under their roof, that's just the way it goes.
 
2012-08-27 09:53:37 PM

Fark Angelic Choir: You all keep throwing around the phrase "human rights violations" as if these parents are the bastard demon spawn of Pol Pot and Stalin.


Public humiliation is a human rights violation. Period. It's wrong when tinpot dictators do it, it's wrong when judges do it, it's wrong when parents do it.

Fark Angelic Choir: If you think spanking is bad for your kid, then don't do it. Fine. I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid. I don't know your kid. But please don't judge people who do decide to use occasional CONTROLLED spanking (not "beating the shiat out of") as a behavior deterrent.


I was using "beating the shiat out of" as another example as something that's wrong to do regardless of who's doing it, not so much a condemnation of spanking.

I generally have no issue with the concept of corporal punishment when applied to very small children who there is almost literally nothing else you can do - they don't grasp the concept of losing privileges yet, and sometimes it takes a little bit of pain to associate that "action" = "something I shouldn't do again".

After that though, I'd like to see it stopped. It's way too easy, when you have your hand up in the air, to forget that you're delivering a measured punishment, and not taking out your anger or frustration. Unless you fail at parenting completely, there are a lot better ways to deliver correction than raining down blows on their ass.
 
2012-08-27 09:54:54 PM

Toddicusrex: God forbid a parent discipline their kid in a way of their choosing.


You sound like a child abuser. Sorry chief, but kids are not chattel. You don't own them like you own a dog or a horse. You don't get to "discipline a kid in the way of your choosing" if the "way" is abusive or harsh.
 
2012-08-27 09:55:45 PM

heyheyjerky: With a country that would be happy to toss you in jail for spanking your kid, this is the next best thing.


Oh look, there's that false dichotomy again.
 
2012-08-28 01:25:16 AM

Rent Party: These are just little old ladies. Harmless as a bunch of mice.


I've seen 'angry old ladies', and the ones I remember would give NYC sewer rats a run for their money. Didn't say I'd come armed, just wear a shirt that says 'celebrate diversity' with pictures of like 50 different handguns on it... I like snarky tees like that.

TsukasaK: Public humiliation is a human rights violation. Period. It's wrong when tinpot dictators do it, it's wrong when judges do it, it's wrong when parents do it.


I'm not seeing it in the list... Torture is a violation of human rights, but torture basically amounts of causing 'unnecessary suffering'. The argument can be made here that it's the least painful punishment/correction that can be administered that works, thus it's not torture.

Bringing up tinpot dictators is just a distraction. They generally don't use public humiliation. They use public executions, actual torture, mass killings, and such to keep in power. There's a bit of difference between making a kid stand on a street for a few hours wearing poster-boards or holding a sign as opposed to feeding somebody feet first into a wood chipper.

After that though, I'd like to see it stopped. It's way too easy, when you have your hand up in the air, to forget that you're delivering a measured punishment, and not taking out your anger or frustration. Unless you fail at parenting completely, there are a lot better ways to deliver correction than raining down blows on their ass.

Public humiliation of the sort that we see parents doing here on fark are obviously measured, thought out responses; generally when they're at loss as to what else they can do to get the kid to behave. It's relatively quick and immediate. Like a spanking, it may be intense, but it's over relatively quickly. Let's use Singapore as an example - which do you think will be more effective as punishment for felony car vandalism(over $1k damage)? A year in prison, or a caning where the injuries will be healed within a few weeks, but remembered for years?

I should probably note that I think the justice system should, above all else, be concerned with reforming as many of the criminals it processes as possible. My personal main concern is keeping them from doing it again, restoring them to being a productive member of society. Preventing them from doing the crime in the first place is more the duty of the schools, parents, and the rest of society(social mores). Look at it like a medical issue where we're stuck using the equivalent of 1700s medical tech at the moment. Pain is inevitable. We need to do research into finding the best ways to reform criminals, and probably ways to determine the best reform method for individual criminals. The treatment for a gang-banger is going to be different than for a doctor who murdered his wife, after all.

As such, I'd support a study of caning as an alternative to semi-long prison sentences for teenagers, which have already been determined to do more to harden criminals(make them worse) than to reform them. It wouldn't hurt that caning(done properly) is a heck of a lot cheaper than holding somebody in prison for a year. If it doesn't work; fine, now we have the research showing it doesn't work, so we don't do it anymore.

Yes, it's painful. But is it really torture if it's determined to be the least painful method for it's success rate? Yes, I consider spending extended periods of time in jail/prison to be painful. For multi-year sentences, it can be extremely painful(psychological even if the prison isn't violent), the person is permanently retarded in their progression through life, permanently set behind. Wouldn't it be better if you got stuff out of the way in a couple weeks, then they're back at work?
 
2012-08-28 02:58:14 AM

tukatz: vd61: Fark Angelic Choir: The kid wants to stop.

No, his mom wants him to stop and he is likely parroting what he knows she wants him to say. According to her he was a great kid prior. Now the kid says he has to turn his life around. It's not like he was robbing a store or something.



He probably IS just saying and doing what his mom wants him to..... but that will suffice until he's 18 and can make his own adult decisions. By then, perhaps he will have seen that he could do just fine without using pot as a crutch. Sorry, but you don't need to smoke pot to live. (Contrary to what the Fark "Sitting on the couch and scarfing Cheetos" club says.)


I didn't say he [or anyone] needs it to live. What I am saying is that instead of having a relationship with her son where he decides the best course of reaction is parroting [instead of an honest dialogue at best and at worst agreeing to disagree [ie: I will obey your rules mom since you provide for me currently]. You don't know that the kid was using it as a crutch, and I'm quite tired of the blanket statements that all people who smoke do so. For all we know he could have been splitting a J with friends en route to chess club or some shiat.
 
2012-08-28 07:41:35 AM

TsukasaK: Fark Angelic Choir: You all keep throwing around the phrase "human rights violations" as if these parents are the bastard demon spawn of Pol Pot and Stalin.

Public humiliation is a human rights violation. Period. It's wrong when tinpot dictators do it, it's wrong when judges do it, it's wrong when parents do it.

Fark Angelic Choir: If you think spanking is bad for your kid, then don't do it. Fine. I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid. I don't know your kid. But please don't judge people who do decide to use occasional CONTROLLED spanking (not "beating the shiat out of") as a behavior deterrent.

I was using "beating the shiat out of" as another example as something that's wrong to do regardless of who's doing it, not so much a condemnation of spanking.

I generally have no issue with the concept of corporal punishment when applied to very small children who there is almost literally nothing else you can do - they don't grasp the concept of losing privileges yet, and sometimes it takes a little bit of pain to associate that "action" = "something I shouldn't do again".

After that though, I'd like to see it stopped. It's way too easy, when you have your hand up in the air, to forget that you're delivering a measured punishment, and not taking out your anger or frustration. Unless you fail at parenting completely, there are a lot better ways to deliver correction than raining down blows on their ass.


Ha! Well spoken. "Raining down blows on their ass" made me think of Frank Costanza...

"As I rained down blows upon him, I realized there had to be a better way."
 
2012-08-28 10:13:54 AM

Godscrack: dosboot: Shame, embarrassment, and guilt will hopefully set this kid straight

Ya, It worked at Abu Ghraib. It's the American way.


Yes, throw out the most extreme example to make your dumb ass political point. Let me play:

"Drink plenty of water"

"Yes, it worked for the passengers on the Titanic"
 
2012-08-28 09:27:45 PM

dosboot: Yes, throw out the most extreme example to make your dumb ass political point.


Because public humiliation is exactly the same as drinking water.

/and what the fark is political about this?!
 
2012-08-29 06:27:06 AM

TsukasaK: Because public humiliation is exactly the same as drinking water.


Yeah, drink enough water and you can die. A bit of public humiliation is about as likely to kill you(if you're incredibly fragile to stress for some medical reason).

Human rights violations are typically for far more serious violations than a day's public humiliation. It's generally for torture, murder, and such.

Protestors in Pakistan don't worry about being made fun of in public. They worry about disappearing into a prison/jail to be beaten, tortured, and held for years, if not killed.

Heck, I'd argue that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib weren't 'publicly' humiliated - they were video taped; not paraded around in a public square.*

*Though I still think the command got off too lightly on that one.
 
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