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(Guardian)   Severe water shortages may force world's population to switch to predominantly vegetarian diet. Mmmmm, veggie bacon   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 361
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2012-08-26 04:49:50 PM
We're currently trying to significantly cut back on the amount of meat we consume. A lot of our meals have been replaced with the Morning Star brand substitute. It's not bad. It's like . . . mall burgers.
 
2012-08-26 07:38:28 PM
Yah....no.

Not all meat production is water intensitive. If we went back to feeding cattle grass instead of grain, it would go a long way to not only improving water consumption but decreasing fertilizer use. I've also read about new forms of aquaculture being very water smart.

It's a false logic to say that because most meat production RIGHT NOW is water intensive, that all meat production must be. It's simply not true. People are not going to convert to vegetarianism as a result of water shortages. They're far more likely to develop means to grow meat in a more water conscious manner.
 
2012-08-26 08:28:26 PM
by world's population, do they mean the majority part which is already mostly vegetarians because of costs and availability?

I really dont understand this "PANIC" there is no water silliness.
Food shortages in 2008 caused by subsidizing ethanol, which moved into fuel?
LOL

Why isnt the solution ever to reduce the population?? Back in the 70s, zero pop was the solution to all these problems.
Now the chicken littles have shifted to punish (by making them stop eating meat) america and europe, rather than telling people to stop breeding like farking rats.

stranger still
india and china continue to expand, and the calories per citizen continues to increase. so, um, WTF are they talking about???

PANIC NO WATER
Sounds like the water scientists are tired of the climatologist getting all the attention in the land of PANIK
 
2012-08-26 08:33:15 PM
saharan power and water

Oh yes, and we could also build massive fission powered desalination power plants in the rest of the world.
I predict both of these things are much more likely to happen than people becoming vegis
 
2012-08-26 08:36:39 PM
There may be a localized shortages of potable water, but the amount of actual water will remain roughly unchanged.
 
2012-08-26 08:44:52 PM

Bontesla: We're currently trying to significantly cut back on the amount of meat we consume. A lot of our meals have been replaced with the Morning Star brand substitute. It's not bad. It's like . . . mall burgers.


The sausage patties are pretty good but the bacon isnt fooling anyone. Ive replaced meat in dishes with assorted mushrooms since they have a good texture and absorb flavors well. I use nutritional/brewers yeast instead of that weird veggie boullion. I also add red cooking wine to most of my savory dishes. It adds a nice heartiness that vegetarian food lacks sometimes.

When I was growing up we had meat 3 times a day 7 days a week. If everyone could just eat less meat it would take a lot of pressure off the food supply, water reserves and so on.
 
2012-08-26 08:47:54 PM

minoridiot: There may be a localized shortages of potable water, but the amount of actual water will remain roughly unchanged.


The actual amount of DRINKABLE water will decline as more and more water sources become polluted (Farking fracking) or used for irrigation. A means of desalinizing seawater en masse would help but current desalinization technology is insufficient to that task.
 
2012-08-26 08:51:54 PM
Seriously, though. The surface of the earth is covered with water. There's no water shortage. Trust me.
 
2012-08-26 08:52:17 PM
You'll have to pry my meat out of my cold, dead hands.

wait...
 
2012-08-26 08:53:34 PM
I don't think it will be so bad subsisting predominantly on vegetarians.
 
2012-08-26 08:53:35 PM
Not me and mine.

Groceritarians? Probably.
 
2012-08-26 08:55:14 PM
We could just switch to Soy(lent green) substitute.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-08-26 08:55:17 PM
As long as we have humans, we'll have food.
 
2012-08-26 08:55:59 PM
Let them eat cake.
 
2012-08-26 08:56:14 PM
LOL 3D printed food with comet water is the future!!!!
 
2012-08-26 08:56:14 PM
But it'll soon afterward switch to a predominantly Soylent Green based diet.
 
2012-08-26 08:57:09 PM
Veggies use more water per calorie and protein than meat.
 
2012-08-26 08:58:04 PM
Vegetarians probably taste better than an all vegetable diet, so I figure I'll try that out for now.
 
2012-08-26 08:58:06 PM
Create a genetically-modified cow or other animal that feeds on, as well as can feed, poor people.
 
2012-08-26 08:58:18 PM
"Humans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050..."


2 billion?

That sounds like quite a bit of meat right there.
 
2012-08-26 08:58:21 PM
gallery.usgs.gov
 
2012-08-26 08:58:34 PM
LOL. Do you know most of the corn in the united states is grown to feed cattle OP?

America switching to Vegetarianism would utterly destroy both ranching and farming in the US.
 
2012-08-26 08:59:58 PM
Clicky.

gentlemint.com
 
2012-08-26 09:00:07 PM
Beef. It was what's for dinner.
 
2012-08-26 09:00:17 PM
How about stop breeding instead?
 
2012-08-26 09:00:20 PM
DNRTFA but don't plants require water? And wouldn't switching to an all veg diet cause the same problems?
 
2012-08-26 09:00:43 PM

Bontesla: We're currently trying to significantly cut back on the amount of meat we consume. A lot of our meals have been replaced with the Morning Star brand substitute. It's not bad. It's like . . . mall burgers.


A friend recently was told by his doctor that he can either cut his meat intake or die of a heart attack like his dad did before 50. I've been trying to help him find stuff that's vegetarian but decent, and on a grill with decent hickory chips, a little sauce, and some grilled onions and tomatoes and stuff and he's seemed pretty happy.

I personally don't bother with the meat-a-like burgers. I'd rather get veggie burgers that taste like veggie burgers. Gardenburger has a few varieties that are good, but taste nothing like meat. If I wanted ground cow I'd grind up some cow, so I like those better.

Oh, and I've had a few homemade black bean burgers that were farking awesome. I've never figured out how to do them perfectly myself, but with some jabaneros and garlic mixed in they can be pretty awesome even if they're falling apart the whole time.
 
2012-08-26 09:01:04 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: There's no water shortage. Trust me.


That, sir, is a truism. The problem is fresh water, particularly fresh water in the vast amounts necessary for irrigation. It is possible to distill fresh water from seawater, but enormously costly of energy. Things might turn out all right after all if we humans can cease screwing up the atmosphere, quit building mega-cities in the desert, and stop breeding like rats, but I don't think any of those things will happen this century.
 
2012-08-26 09:01:34 PM
Glad I live in a country with plenty of fresh potable water :)

Give me an Alberta Beef Steak and Ill drink whatever I want to wash it down! :)


Woot fer me :)
 
2012-08-26 09:01:38 PM
That is why I am raising desert tortoises for their meat. There is no current market but I got to be forward looking.
 
2012-08-26 09:01:53 PM

namatad: by world's population, do they mean the majority part which is already mostly vegetarians because of costs and availability?

I really dont understand this "PANIC" there is no water silliness.
Food shortages in 2008 caused by subsidizing ethanol, which moved into fuel?
LOL

Why isnt the solution ever to reduce the population?? Back in the 70s, zero pop was the solution to all these problems.
Now the chicken littles have shifted to punish (by making them stop eating meat) america and europe, rather than telling people to stop breeding like farking rats.

stranger still
india and china continue to expand, and the calories per citizen continues to increase. so, um, WTF are they talking about???

PANIC NO WATER
Sounds like the water scientists are tired of the climatologist getting all the attention in the land of PANIK


Wow. You sir are a genius. No one has ever thought to just ask people to stop having babies. It's so simple. I can't believe that you are the first one to suggest this in the history of mankind. I am on the phone right now to the Nobel prize committee to tell them that some guy named namatad has, at long last, found the solution to the world's problems of hunger and water shortage. Your understanding of the world is so rich, yet you are able to condense what must be vast reserves of knowledge into such a concise and prolific statement -- 'reduce the population.' It's so simple yet so mindsplittingly true! Books! They will no doubt write books about your insight here today, and I will take some small amount of pride in being here to have witnessed the birth of a new revolution.
 
2012-08-26 09:02:38 PM

This About That: AverageAmericanGuy: There's no water shortage. Trust me.

That, sir, is a truism. The problem is fresh water, particularly fresh water in the vast amounts necessary for irrigation. It is possible to distill fresh water from seawater, but enormously costly of energy. Things might turn out all right after all if we humans can cease screwing up the atmosphere, quit building mega-cities in the desert, and stop breeding like rats, but I don't think any of those things will happen this century.


Ocean water has electrolytes. It's what plants crave.
 
2012-08-26 09:02:46 PM

Savage Belief: DNRTFA but don't plants require water? And wouldn't switching to an all veg diet cause the same problems?


The problem is that animals eating veggies is less water efficient than people eating the veggies directly.

The problem with that problem is that a lot of the feed we feed to livestock now isn't fit for human consumption, so we need to redo how we look at agriculture and significantly change that as well.

In other words, someone's gonna starve instead.
 
2012-08-26 09:03:44 PM

Ambivalence: Yah....no.

Not all meat production is water intensitive. If we went back to feeding cattle grass instead of grain, it would go a long way to not only improving water consumption but decreasing fertilizer use.


Your suggestion would likely accomplish what the article suggests, a massive reduction in meat consumption.

Grass alone could not begin to feed the number of cattle raised today, nor could it support the speed at which they're raised. Were all cattle to be grass fed, supply couldn't keep up with demand, beef prices would see a tremendous rise, consumer demand would drop in favor of other foods.
 
2012-08-26 09:03:52 PM
What about all that ice melting?

Oh, wait.
 
2012-08-26 09:04:00 PM
Feed hay to the goats, they're very efficient. Eat the majority of the boy goats, they're kinda worthless and OH SO TASTY. Feed the milk you can't drink (you can only drink so much goat milk) to the pigs. BINGO! Goat milk bacon. Been doing it for 5 years now, you cannot imagine bacon from a pig that's never tasted water.
 
2012-08-26 09:04:19 PM
It will just be another incentive for people to succeed in life.

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2012-08-26 09:05:45 PM
quickdraw: When I was growing up we had meat 3 times a day 7 days a week. If everyone could just eat less meat it would take a lot of pressure off the food supply, water reserves and so on.

When I was growing up, smoking cigarettes was so healthy that you could do it pretty much anywhere you felt like it, and throwing garbage out your car window wasn't really a big deal. The more we learn about the world around us, and how our actions affect it, the more likely we are to discontinue bad behaviors, and shoveling meat into our jowly, gaping maws is no exception.

And just as there are a minority of dipsh#ts in the world who cling to their self-centered ignorance and insist that it's their right to smoke anywhere they want to, and who continue to litter the world around them indiscriminately, there are idiots now who get all wild-eyed and outraged at the notion of not eating meat every day of their lives.
 
2012-08-26 09:05:47 PM

Ricardo Klement: It will just be another incentive for people to succeed in life.

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Everyone gets a little pork in a Romney administration!
 
2012-08-26 09:05:55 PM
I was a vegetarian for 10 years. I now eat meat all the time (because I live in Japan). If you think you can't get enough flavor from vegetarian cooking you have either never tried or suck at cooking.

/I love when fat people would exclaim "But...but...but how do you get enough protein?" Umm...I think you have a little too much 'bub.'
 
2012-08-26 09:06:38 PM
I'm going to increase my meat intake to compensate for all that meat I won't get later.
 
2012-08-26 09:08:06 PM
poor people problems
 
2012-08-26 09:08:10 PM
Tried to find an old biology info-graphic to illustrate this better, but can't find what I'm looking for, so this will have to do. Basically it's an illustration of how much energy is lost to growth and reproduction as one moves up the food chain vs their base energy (calories) at each level.

www.sivatherium.narod.ru
 
2012-08-26 09:08:23 PM
Subby, you are stupid. Not all meat comes from a factory farm, you big piece of dumb. That portion of the world's population which relies on factory farm meat may end up paying outrageous prices for it, but nobody will ever be forced into predominant vegetarianism unless the world's fresh water supply is jeopardized. Should that happen we will have a lot more to worry about than what we are going to eat.

As for me, I couldn't care less what happens on factory farms, as I am already non-reliant on them. I get venison, turkey, berries, and mushrooms from the woods, fish from the rivers and lakes, and grow my own veggies, herbs, and spices. I make my own wine and mead from wild grapes and local honey. None of it is really very hard work, I literally eat and drink like a king, and end up saving a shiat-ton of money besides.
 
2012-08-26 09:08:39 PM
Stop fapping and we could all eat cat.
 
2012-08-26 09:08:59 PM

Mr. Potatoass: You'll have to pry my meat out of my cold, dead hands.

wait...


mmm... finger food
 
2012-08-26 09:09:56 PM
I'm already eating a primarily veggie-based diet because it's healthier, so getting a kick, yadda yadda...
 
2012-08-26 09:10:14 PM
I'm already there. I will miss fish badly, though.
 
2012-08-26 09:10:26 PM
NO WAY! There is a rain forest about 2 hours from here and I will put up fortified hog pens before I go back to eating that veggie bacon bullshiat. Suck it, flyover states.
 
2012-08-26 09:10:40 PM

SandMann: Stop fapping and we could all eat cat.


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