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2012-08-26 01:22:31 PM
I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.
 
2012-08-26 01:30:53 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.


Yeah, I didn't care for the first half of season 6 when I watched it on BBCA. When the box set came out, I enjoyed the first half of the season, and the second half was great.

/BBCA's presentation sucks. They're a farking cable network... they can't broadcast the episodes uncut and commercial free the way they're supposed to be seen?
 
2012-08-26 02:26:36 PM
Just another case where the pirate copy is superior to the legal copy, and price has nothing to do with it.
 
2012-08-26 03:45:05 PM
PBS has the opposite problem. Many of it's Brit imports are not from BBC and the commercial time is filled with pledge breaks at the end of the programming. It really sucks when they take a two hour programme and break it in to two one hour shows and fill the 15 minutes of commercial time each hour with pledge breaks. AUUUGHHH But, yeah, the dvds are much more better.
 
2012-08-26 04:09:56 PM
Want season 7 but I need it uncut.

/Statue of Liberty = Biggest Weeping Angel EVAR?
 
2012-08-26 06:16:29 PM
In before the "ZOMG I HATE AMY POND SO MUCH PLEASE KILL HER ALREADY"
 
2012-08-26 06:19:20 PM

fusillade762: In before the "ZOMG I HATE AMY POND SO MUCH PLEASE KILL HER ALREADY"


Well, we already know she's going away by midseason. Isn't that good enough?

/the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?
 
2012-08-26 06:42:49 PM

FirstNationalBastard: /the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?


Yes, and if you don't know how the get the proper versions before they hit Nutsax, you suck at life.
 
2012-08-26 06:50:12 PM

fusillade762: In before the "ZOMG I HATE AMY POND SO MUCH PLEASE KILL HER ALREADY"


Any guy who hates Amy Pond is gay. And not the good kind. Yeah I said it.
 
2012-08-26 07:42:27 PM
I can understand not liking Amy. I think she's an okay companion, but I can see not liking her. But the outright hate she gets just blows my mind.

Rumor has it the next companion is an alien and more of a foil for the Doctor. That I'm looking forward to.
 
2012-08-26 07:45:45 PM
Mark My words: Rory is the Master.
 
2012-08-26 07:46:09 PM

t3knomanser: I can understand not liking Amy. I think she's an okay companion, but I can see not liking her. But the outright hate she gets just blows my mind.

Rumor has it the next companion is an alien and more of a foil for the Doctor. That I'm looking forward to.


As long as she's not the mostest specialest girl in alllllll the multiverse.
 
2012-08-26 07:50:21 PM
Luckily NBC's coverage of the Olympics has prepared me for watching DW on the BBC
 
2012-08-26 07:51:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard: As long as she's not the mostest specialest girl in alllllll the multiverse.


That's been all the way through NuWho, though. You can't really hold that against Amy, who didn't get it half as bad as Rose. I really want a return to the more classic companions, though- just interesting people who ended up taking a ride in the TARDIS for a bit. Zoë is one of my all time favorites.
 
2012-08-26 07:54:01 PM

mongolicious: Mark My words: Rory is the Master.


I'm not gonna lie, I like Rory. His entrance as The Last Centurion into the Cyber ship with a question and a message was awesome.

/ have an infant
// cannot WAIT until he's old enough to watch Doctor Who
 
2012-08-26 07:55:09 PM

t3knomanser: FirstNationalBastard: As long as she's not the mostest specialest girl in alllllll the multiverse.

That's been all the way through NuWho, though. You can't really hold that against Amy, who didn't get it half as bad as Rose. I really want a return to the more classic companions, though- just interesting people who ended up taking a ride in the TARDIS for a bit. Zoë is one of my all time favorites.


I could deal with the young female companion if they were more like Ace... someone the Doctor is teaching... instead of the NuWho "I WANT SPINY TIMELORD COCK FILLING MY HOLES!"

I liked Donna Noble... she didn't want any time lord cock, even though she did have a bit of the specialest girl in her at the end.

/and Captain Jack, even though he probably wanted to fark the Doctor, wasn't so forward about it.
 
2012-08-26 07:57:43 PM
I hope we get an eHarmony profile of the new companion to play at the beginning of every damned episode.
 
2012-08-26 07:58:28 PM

FirstNationalBastard: instead of the NuWho "I WANT SPINY TIMELORD COCK FILLING MY HOLES!"


At least Amy got over it quickly, and honestly, it came off as more pre-wedding jitters than any honest interest. Amy brings in Rory, and Rory is one of my favorite things about NuWho. He's got a bit of the old Douglas Adams era in him- he'd be a great Arthur Dent (and if I were god of all creation, he'd play Bob Howard in a Laundry Files series, with Bill Nighy as Angleton).
 
2012-08-26 08:01:06 PM

Bucky Katt: fusillade762: In before the "ZOMG I HATE AMY POND SO MUCH PLEASE KILL HER ALREADY"

Any guy who hates Amy Pond is gay. And not the good kind. Yeah I said it.


i307.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-26 08:03:55 PM
I 'acquired' each episode of Series 6 the day of broadcast so I'd have the hd uncut versions of each episode. It was between 'A Good Man Goes to War' and "Let's Kill Hitler" when I actually watched a BBC America broadcast version of series 6 and saw the dreadful Amy Pond intro. My wife did not believe me when I told her about it.
 
2012-08-26 08:04:40 PM

Great Janitor: My wife did not believe me when I told her about it.


I still don't believe it. I refuse to accept that such a thing exists.
 
2012-08-26 08:05:50 PM

t3knomanser: Great Janitor: My wife did not believe me when I told her about it.

I still don't believe it. I refuse to accept that such a thing exists.


Then try watching it on netflix, it is very bad.
 
2012-08-26 08:06:52 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: Then try watching it on netflix, it is very bad.


No, that's okay. I'll just enjoy the version that airs in the UK instead, usually hours before it airs in the US.
 
2012-08-26 08:10:40 PM

teto85: PBS has the opposite problem. Many of it's Brit imports are not from BBC and the commercial time is filled with pledge breaks at the end of the programming. It really sucks when they take a two hour programme and break it in to two one hour shows and fill the 15 minutes of commercial time each hour with pledge breaks. AUUUGHHH But, yeah, the dvds are much more better.


My first taste of Red Dwarf was during a pledge drive. That half hour episode was 2 hours long due to pledge driving/begging for money, and talking over the ending credits. But that was a short pledge drive, only lasted 51 weeks.
 
2012-08-26 08:11:09 PM

t3knomanser: Herr Flick's Revenge: Then try watching it on netflix, it is very bad.

No, that's okay. I'll just enjoy the version that airs in the UK instead, usually hours before it airs in the US.


I do this also.
I was bored, saw it on netflix so I fired up an episode and there it was.
Blech!
 
2012-08-26 08:12:06 PM
BBCA has been mailing it in since they pulled the news hour and went with the "hit play button, leave office" approach to broadcasting.
 
2012-08-26 08:12:58 PM

t3knomanser: Great Janitor: My wife did not believe me when I told her about it.

I still don't believe it. I refuse to accept that such a thing exists.


Due to my very vocal opinions in the first half of last season, I cannot mention the thing you all are speaking of without at least two people immediately having their Spider Sense pinged and coming in to complain about me even daring to mention the subject you are talking about.

Although I hope that the subject of your conversation goes away when the new companion's run starts.
 
2012-08-26 08:14:40 PM

Apeboy: BBCA has been mailing it in since they pulled the news hour and went with the "hit play button, leave office" approach to broadcasting.


it's probably clarksons fault, no telling what happened to the sets after he drove through the building
 
2012-08-26 08:15:40 PM

Apeboy: BBCA has been mailing it in since they pulled the news hour and went with the "hit play button, leave office" approach to broadcasting.


There's a digital subchannel that the Washington DC PBS channel has called PBS UK. It airs only British programming, like All Creatures Great and Small, Doctor Who (Nu Who), Life on Mars, Are You Being Served, and much more, all uncut, no commercials, no edits.

It's pathetic that a local PBS subchannel is a better BBC America than the official BBC America.
 
2012-08-26 08:18:39 PM

bloobeary: Just another case where the pirate copy is superior to the legal copy, and price has nothing to do with it.


For season 6, iTunes and Amazon both had the full, uncut episodes available for purchase the day after it aired, sans the Amy Pond intro in the credits. I think Comcast On Demand even had the BBC edit on streaming as well, so there are legal ways to get the right version. Although I wouldn't feel bad pirating it, since I am paying for BBCA. They really need a US version of iPlayer for their customers, like HBO Go.
 
2012-08-26 08:21:50 PM
Yes, it was the Amy Pond show intro that people hated, not Pond herself.
 
2012-08-26 08:21:52 PM

Mad_Radhu: bloobeary: Just another case where the pirate copy is superior to the legal copy, and price has nothing to do with it.

For season 6, iTunes and Amazon both had the full, uncut episodes available for purchase the day after it aired, sans the Amy Pond intro in the credits. I think Comcast On Demand even had the BBC edit on streaming as well, so there are legal ways to get the right version. Although I wouldn't feel bad pirating it, since I am paying for BBCA. They really need a US version of iPlayer for their customers, like HBO Go.


Comcast On Demand had the American version, minus commercials. It would still fade to black at random points, and had... well... the other thing before the credits.
 
2012-08-26 08:26:12 PM

cretinbob: FirstNationalBastard: /the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?

Yes, and if you don't know how the get the proper versions before they hit Nutsax, you suck at life.


To elaborate for those that suck at life, you have two options I can think of;

1) use the various Magnet/Torrent options. These generally are available in HD within hours of airing in the UK, much sooner than they air on BBCA. I strongly recommend forcing your torrent client to use encryption when doing this.

2) use TOR and include the line "ExitNodes {GB}" in your torrc file. You may then use the BBC iPlayer to watch most everything the Beeb makes available.
 
2012-08-26 08:26:18 PM

cretinbob: FirstNationalBastard: /the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?

Yes, and if you don't know how the get the proper versions before they hit Nutsax, you suck at life.

img.photobucket.com
I get my copy with fava beans and a nice chianti.
 
2012-08-26 08:28:57 PM

VoiceOfBob: cretinbob: FirstNationalBastard: /the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?

Yes, and if you don't know how the get the proper versions before they hit Nutsax, you suck at life.

To elaborate for those that suck at life, you have two options I can think of;

1) use the various Magnet/Torrent options. These generally are available in HD within hours of airing in the UK, much sooner than they air on BBCA. I strongly recommend forcing your torrent client to use encryption when doing this.

2) use TOR and include the line "ExitNodes {GB}" in your torrc file. You may then use the BBC iPlayer to watch most everything the Beeb makes available.


That sounds like it would be horribly slow, given the nature of TOR.
 
2012-08-26 08:33:18 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Comcast On Demand had the American version, minus commercials. It would still fade to black at random points, and had... well... the other thing before the credits.


ITunes/Amazon it is for me then! Which isn't too bad of a deal for $3 each, since it means that I have HD versions of every episode that I can keep, although it does mean that I wind up getting stuck with the occasional "Night Terrors" every now and again.
 
2012-08-26 08:35:26 PM
Since Space is owned by Bell and I have Telus, I either have the choice of watching Doctor Who in standard definition or just finding it elsewhere.

/fark you Bell.
 
2012-08-26 08:37:03 PM

bloobeary: Just another case where the pirate copy is superior to the legal copy, and price has nothing to do with it.


I already pay to get BBCA, do they REALLY think that we actually watch the commercials?
So farking sad.

sigh
Every season I think about moving to a country which gets real BBC so I dont get the editted shiat.
 
2012-08-26 08:38:14 PM

MadSkillz: Since Space is owned by Bell and I have Telus, I either have the choice of watching Doctor Who in standard definition or just finding it elsewhere.

/fark you Bell.


I just found out Space HD is now available, after waiting a year and a half. OMIGOD OMIGOD SPACEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SPAAAAAACEE!!!!!!
 
2012-08-26 08:41:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: /and Captain Jack, even though he probably wanted to fark the Doctor, wasn't so forward about it.


are you REALLY THAT STUPID???
jack wasnt forward? it was all he EVER TALKED about! Did you WATCH how he looked at the doctor? talked about the doctor?? didnt he even kiss the doctor once? or was that just EVERYONE.

LOL
 
2012-08-26 08:54:10 PM

The_Time_Master: cretinbob: FirstNationalBastard: /the Christmas special introduces the new one, right?

Yes, and if you don't know how the get the proper versions before they hit Nutsax, you suck at life.
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I get my copy with fava beans and a nice chianti.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-26 08:56:27 PM

namatad: bloobeary: Just another case where the pirate copy is superior to the legal copy, and price has nothing to do with it.

I already pay to get BBCA, do they REALLY think that we actually watch the commercials?
So farking sad.

sigh
Every season I think about moving to a country which gets real BBC so I dont get the editted shiat.


You mean like the USA? (You do own an internet-connected computer, don't you?)
Not that this Moffatt splooge-fest is worth it, but you can access BBC fairly easily if you want to.

/Note: I am not encouraging you to do so, just saying that it is possible and easy.
 
2012-08-26 08:58:35 PM
I'm rather glad BBCA is finally in HD on FiOS. Looking forward to The Doctor and the Ponds in HD.
 
2012-08-26 09:05:02 PM
I'd actually pay for a real BBC feed.
 
2012-08-26 09:07:54 PM
Have BBCA in HD but will probably not wait for it to air and prefer the uncut method. But hey at least I pay to see it if I was to chose that avenue.
 
2012-08-26 09:10:03 PM
*cries* I thought it said Lord of Time Shadowrunner for a minute, and I had no idea what was going on but I was suddenly very, very excited.
 
2012-08-26 09:22:17 PM
BBC America has to make money, unlike its socialist precursor.
 
2012-08-26 09:36:14 PM

Great Janitor: My first taste of Red Dwarf was during a pledge drive. That half hour episode was 2 hours long due to pledge driving/begging for money, and talking over the ending credits. But that was a short pledge drive, only lasted 51 weeks.


The song at the end of Red Dwarf was great, and anyone talking over it should be shot.
 
2012-08-26 09:37:32 PM
I have doubts about the quality of this season. The previous season had its moments, but it sucked in places...Moffat is a much better writer than producer. He has overexposed the Angels, did a horrible redesign of the Daleks (which he is redoung one season later), and has a boner for Amy Pond that seems bigger than the one Davies had for Rose. And there are rumors of the new companion being all love interesty. I feel sorry for Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.
 
2012-08-26 09:37:51 PM
Prepurchased on iTunes. Rollin' in shortly.
 
2012-08-26 09:38:23 PM
1. Find a proxy server in the UK.
2. Configure your browser to use it.
3. Enjoy Doctor Who.
(4. If you are on Windows, update and run your anti-virus software before each step.)
 
2012-08-26 09:53:23 PM
Wait, BBC America shows British stuff?
I thought it was all Battlestar Galactica and Hollywood movies.
 
2012-08-26 09:54:19 PM
Just quickly dropping in here, skipping the thread and all, but a "blockbuster a week" sounds like a horrible idea, considering that the very best Moffat episodes are the lower key ones. Blink was hardly a "blockbuster" episode, but was incredibly memorable plot and had a crapload of memorable lines, and the Doctor himself was barely in it until the end.

I will grant that the Moffat "blockbuster" finales have been good, but the very best are the low-key episodes in the middle, especially the ones he wrote himself.

The worst RTD episodes were the ones where he tried to cram so much shiat into a single episode...

Hopefully "blockbuster" means something a little different there than it does here in the US.
 
2012-08-26 10:05:08 PM

Gunny Walker: 1. Find a proxy server in the UK.
2. Configure your browser to use it.
3. Enjoy Doctor Who.
(4. If you are on Windows, update and run your anti-virus software before each step.)


i have 20 up and 40 down, i was look to trade american-only services for bbc.

/don't know where to look.
 
2012-08-26 10:10:34 PM
I've been actively ignoring most Doctor Who stories this year - mostly because I realized in the last two seasons that the fandom were really idiots.

And "stories" like this one, based off of three sentences from the showrunner, are just farking lame.

Also, since this comment is already completely devoid of any meaningful content, let me just also go on record for hating the BBCA version of Who (the "When I was a little girl..." intro is horrible). So, yeap - even though it means watching it a little later I will also be waiting for my beautiful British cousins to get it ripped and torrented.

As to Netflix, they also run that horrible intro don't they?

Sheesh. Why can't America have nice things?
 
2012-08-26 10:21:25 PM

cretinbob: Yes, it was the Amy Pond show intro that people hated, not Pond herself.


You mean the Tardis flying through the cloudy vagina?
 
2012-08-26 10:24:13 PM

mat catastrophe: Sheesh. Why can't America have nice things?


We covered that in the:
1) Honey Boo Boo ratings thread
2) The Olympics thread where NBC said they needed the announcers for the opening ceremonies because Americans aren't smart enough to handle it on our own

BBCA thinks they are doing us a favor with the Amy Pond Adventures opening.....

and NBC is ready to have Sherlock banging Watson in like 6 episodes (well..too be fair maybe they did keep it close to the books)
 
2012-08-26 10:29:22 PM

FirstNationalBastard:
/and Captain Jack, even though he probably wanted to fark the Doctor, wasn't so forward about it.


You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor.
 
2012-08-26 10:30:25 PM
Yikes, only a week to go, better check my British proxies so I can watch DW on-line from the BBC. 

BBC America, I am disappointed. I would almost watch it there if they slated 90min for DW and endure commercials just as long as it was unedited.
 
2012-08-26 10:38:34 PM

TheManofPA: mat catastrophe: Sheesh. Why can't America have nice things?

We covered that in the:
1) Honey Boo Boo ratings thread
2) The Olympics thread where NBC said they needed the announcers for the opening ceremonies because Americans aren't smart enough to handle it on our own

BBCA thinks they are doing us a favor with the Amy Pond Adventures opening.....



I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.
 
2012-08-26 10:45:11 PM

rynthetyn: You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor. everything remotely human


don't forget, when he comes from a poodle could be a viable partner
 
2012-08-26 11:00:38 PM

loonatic112358: rynthetyn: You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor. everything remotely human

don't forget, when he comes from a poodle could be a viable partner


I still can't believe that One Million Moms never complained about Captain John making eyes at the poodle, it's not like the episode hasn't aired dozens of times in the US.
 
2012-08-26 11:06:18 PM
A few sites actually stream BBC1, so that's what I tend to use... (I don't feel too bad about it, though, since I buy the DVDs once they actually come out... Classic and new.)
 
2012-08-26 11:15:56 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.


'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind
 
2012-08-26 11:20:05 PM

sage37: 'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind


I'm tempted to add "The Eleventh Hour"- it's one of the best post-regen episodes, which are usually a bit off as you're trying to adjust to the new Doctor. It was a lot of fun and paced extremely well (which most of the Moffat era isn't).

"Let's Kill Hitler" is overall pretty daft, but Rory punching Hitler is one of the best moments in Doctor Who, ever.
 
2012-08-26 11:21:39 PM
I'd also add that I don't think the Tennant era has many classic episodes either- "Blink", "The Girl in the Fireplace" and "Midnight" come to mind. Eccleston gets "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" and "Dalek". Actually, on sheer percentages, that puts Eccleston ahead for NuWho.
 
2012-08-26 11:24:29 PM

sage37: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.

'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind


The God Complex was fantastic. Easily my favorite of Smith's run so far.
 
2012-08-26 11:25:18 PM
I must be the only Whovian who couldn't stand 'Midnight'... Granted I've only watched it once, but that's because I can't stand watching people shriek for 45 minutes straight.
 
2012-08-26 11:38:03 PM

teto85: Many of it's Brit imports are not from BBC and the commercial time is filled with pledge breaks at the end of the programming.


They only do that twice a year, IIRC.
 
2012-08-26 11:57:09 PM
Just like the Olympics use Expat Shield and watch it on the BBC iPlayer commercial free.
 
2012-08-27 12:26:59 AM

t3knomanser: I'd also add that I don't think the Tennant era has many classic episodes either- "Blink", "The Girl in the Fireplace" and "Midnight" come to mind. Eccleston gets "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" and "Dalek". Actually, on sheer percentages, that puts Eccleston ahead for NuWho.


Dalek is one of my all time favorites. I thought it was one of the few that made the Doctor's searing hatred for the Dalek truly memorable, and explained why he'd be willing to do what he did and earn the reputation he had. The whole, "Daleks are incredibly evil but I'll still be goofy about it" bit from other Doctors just never got it across for me. Eccleston was, IMO, the first to portray the Doctor's willingness to burn the entire universe to destroy them.
 
2012-08-27 12:28:08 AM

sage37: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.

'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind


Doctor's Wife is probably my 2nd favorite of the new ones behind Girl in the Fireplace. Vincent was a weird one for me, overall, I was only okay on the episode until the end. It's not one of my favorites, but the end of that is just dammnnnnnn....
 
2012-08-27 12:30:49 AM
Not a big Amy fan either. Since she arrived, shes pretty much taken over the show. Plus shes just a walking ego. Hopefully the new girl will be an improvement. Luved me some Rory though.

And yeah, fark BBCA. I've torrented the show ever since it came back in 2005, and don't plan on changing unless the copyright police decide to kick in my door.

Turns out in the hours right after its broadcasts there are TONS of seeders. So even a HD download can be accomplished in about twenty minutes.
 
2012-08-27 12:38:30 AM

TheManofPA: sage37: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.

'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind

Doctor's Wife is probably my 2nd favorite of the new ones behind Girl in the Fireplace. Vincent was a weird one for me, overall, I was only okay on the episode until the end. It's not one of my favorites, but the end of that is just dammnnnnnn....


Vincent and the Doctor was the episode where Matt Smith finally clicked for me as The Doctor. Before that, I was still missing David Tennant (even though Tennant's final episodes left me wishing his emo ass would just regenerate already).
 
2012-08-27 12:58:33 AM

Chemical Stump Remover: sage37: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.

'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind

The God Complex was fantastic. Easily my favorite of Smith's run so far.



"Vincent and the Doctor" was just exquisite, at least the trips to the museum with Bill Nighy (most importantly, when they take Vincent, of course). Actually, the rest of it, fighting the inter-spacial griffin monster, didn't make that much of an impression on me.

"The Doctor's Wife" gave a lot of character development -- particularly for that usually inanimate but vital character, the TARDIS, the first of the show's ongoing characters that was ever seen, even before Barbara and Ian.

Speaking of character development, I very much enjoyed "The Girl Who Waited" and Amy's portions of "The Wedding of River Song". The latter's scene about the Brigadier was also such a well done kick in the gut, and the momentary Dalek cameo was in many ways the best use of them in a very long time.

Maybe it's un-hip to say, but damn, "A Good Man Goes to War" was awesome, although mostly for reasons aside from Smith/11. It started with the Whoniverse's most amazing cold open ever, with among the highest holy-shiat factor of most cold opens of any tv series: Amy's monologue to Melody. What's with the Cybermen? The build-up about how Melody will never be alone, someone's coming for them and that the man (reflecting on Rory's fears about Amy's feelings for the Doctor in "Day of the Moon" and others) is your father. Wait! WTF did she just say?! "He looks old, but he's lived for hundreds of years. He has a name, but the people of our world know him better as ... the Last Centurion." Oh, hell yah! and evoking the memory of him having put all other boyfriends to shame for nearly two millennia. His strut into the Cybermen's CIC without the slightest fear, even more calmly badass than Sgt Benton. The destruction of their fleet, and his stare-down to farking Cybermen, rolling straight into the rousing opening intro. Three awesome brand new characters, one of whom provided the opportunity to examine and validate Rory's duality as an absolutely dedicated warrior and a nurse. The whole bit about the Doctor's effects on the cultures of the universe. The cameos, Amy's realisation of what Lorna embroidered and what it meant, and bringing back around the whole forest thing from when we and Ten first met River. Moffat even managed to include a totally juvenile Stevie Wonder is blind joke, and make it work.
 
2012-08-27 01:22:25 AM

Chemical Stump Remover: sage37: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.

'Vincent and the Doctor' and 'The Doctor's Wife' come to mind

The God Complex was fantastic. Easily my favorite of Smith's run so far.


I enjoyed it but I have to say that I didn't care for how they glossed over Rory's "lack of faith" to be exploited. So what, he just drifts through life believing in nothing? I can believe that he doesn't have faith in the doctor because he's always seen the dangers of the doctor but what about his faith in Amy, or even in himself. I mean something must have kept going for the 2000 years that he served as the Centurion. Would have liked to see somethign there because I think it definately fell a little flat there. Otherwise I really liked the episode.

I would Amy's Choice to the list of great Nu-Who. Just for the Dream Lord alone.
 
2012-08-27 01:24:14 AM
Interesting that I mentioned those three characters. I just went looking for pics of Madame Vastra & Jenny, only to discover that they and Strax have a two-parter coming up, beginning with the Christmas episode when the Doctor gets his new companion. Jenna-Louise Coleman, the next companion actress, is currently best known for portraying a lesbian -- and her first two episodes also feature the return of the series' first lesbian couple (not counting Amy's blatant flirtation with her two-minute older/younger self in "Time"). Coincidence? Does Clara "tip the scales" too?
 
2012-08-27 01:43:31 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Interesting that I mentioned those three characters. I just went looking for pics of Madame Vastra & Jenny, only to discover that they and Strax have a two-parter coming up, beginning with the Christmas episode when the Doctor gets his new companion. Jenna-Louise Coleman, the next companion actress, is currently best known for portraying a lesbian -- and her first two episodes also feature the return of the series' first lesbian couple (not counting Amy's blatant flirtation with her two-minute older/younger self in "Time"). Coincidence? Does Clara "tip the scales" too?


I was just hoping that since Madame Vastra and Jenny are in the episode where Clara's introduced that it means Clara is from the 19th century. I'd rather like it if they went with a companion from a different time period, and the Victorian era would be nifty.
 
2012-08-27 01:51:32 AM

TheManWho: Great Janitor: My first taste of Red Dwarf was during a pledge drive. That half hour episode was 2 hours long due to pledge driving/begging for money, and talking over the ending credits. But that was a short pledge drive, only lasted 51 weeks.

The song at the end of Red Dwarf was

It's a garbage pod. great, and anyone talk It's a smegging garbage pod! ing over it should be shot. 

/exception
 
2012-08-27 01:55:08 AM

t3knomanser: FirstNationalBastard: instead of the NuWho "I WANT SPINY TIMELORD COCK FILLING MY HOLES!"

At least Amy got over it quickly, and honestly, it came off as more pre-wedding jitters than any honest interest. Amy brings in Rory, and Rory is one of my favorite things about NuWho. He's got a bit of the old Douglas Adams era in him- he'd be a great Arthur Dent (and if I were god of all creation, he'd play Bob Howard in a Laundry Files series, with Bill Nighy as Angleton).


I like the way you think, sir!


cretinbob: Yes, it was the Amy Pond show intro that people hated, not Pond herself.


For some reason that seems to be spreading. The second season of Grimm has a similar stupid (and frankly inaccurate) opening sequence.

And I find this thread sorely lacking in pictures of the new companion.

blog.zap2it.com

www.themorningstarr.co.uk
 
2012-08-27 01:58:31 AM

fusillade762:

And I find this thread sorely lacking in pictures of the new companion.

blog.zap2it.com



If she's going to wear an ugly sweater, there's only one that should be allowed

static.zooomr.com
 
2012-08-27 02:29:58 AM

ReluctantPaladin: I enjoyed it but I have to say that I didn't care for how they glossed over Rory's "lack of faith" to be exploited. So what, he just drifts through life believing in nothing? I can believe that he doesn't have faith in the doctor because he's always seen the dangers of the doctor but what about his faith in Amy, or even in himself. I mean something must have kept going for the 2000 years that he served as the Centurion. Would have liked to see somethign there because I think it definately fell a little flat there. Otherwise I really liked the episode.


I'm thinking that the brevity and the superficial level of examination of Rory's lack of faith (assuming that's even the correct analysis) was just a foreshadow or a tease for something we're going to get in the next few weeks. I have no knowledge one way or the other; I'm just looking at the practice in the revived era to make passing mention of things, and only later examine these pre-established things. Davies would do that within a series or a little longer (e,g.. "Bad Wolf", Torchwood, Mr. Saxon, the long-term implications of the TARDIS' perception filter, Wilfred, Donna, the stars going out, the Adipose home world's disappearance). RTD does it too, but also on a much longer scale (e.g., River, the forests, Prof. Candy & Luna U, Amy unknowingly predicting the Doctor's use of the Teselecta as a Doctor suit, Amy's question about the TARDIS' roof light.)

Or maybe those two thousand years as an Auton drove Rory to adopt a fatalistic nihilistic outlook, wearing blinders to all but ensuring Amy's safety. He didn't have to eat, drink, poop, sleep, be warm, be dry, socialise, date, screw, impress others. Just guard Amy. Even assuming his 20-odd years of memories of being a living human are dominant in his mind, he's still got nearly a hundred times as many years of memory as an Auton (much more still in terms of hours, because Auton Rory was awake all day and all night. Who knows, the Torchwood Institute might have gotten word of a man who never ages and who is continually seen near the Roman Pandorica box, and Jack gave Rory his speech about the absence of an afterlife.
 
2012-08-27 02:33:13 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Who knows, the Torchwood Institute might have gotten word of a man who never ages and who is continually seen near the Roman Pandorica box, and Jack gave Rory his speech about the absence of an afterlife.


...or saw just how anatomically correct an Auton is.
 
2012-08-27 02:44:46 AM

rynthetyn: HopScotchNSoda: Interesting that I mentioned those three characters. I just went looking for pics of Madame Vastra & Jenny, only to discover that they and Strax have a two-parter coming up, beginning with the Christmas episode when the Doctor gets his new companion. Jenna-Louise Coleman, the next companion actress, is currently best known for portraying a lesbian -- and her first two episodes also feature the return of the series' first lesbian couple (not counting Amy's blatant flirtation with her two-minute older/younger self in "Time"). Coincidence? Does Clara "tip the scales" too?

I was just hoping that since Madame Vastra and Jenny are in the episode where Clara's introduced that it means Clara is from the 19th century. I'd rather like it if they went with a companion from a different time period, and the Victorian era would be nifty.



The era also adds another layer or aspect to what appeared to be the Doctor's plan going forward after "The Wedding of River Song"; to keep a low profile, let the universe think that he was killed in April 2011 by River Song, and so on.

The Doctor has to particularly watch his ass and keep his head down in in Vastra's/Jenny's time in Britain. He's a wanted man. When the TARDIS showed up in Madame Vastra's drawing room in "AGMGTW", it had been only nine years since the Queen banished Sir Doctor of TARDIS and established the Torchwood Institute protect the Empire from him. Fortunately for the Doctor, Torchwood probably only know Ten's appearance, but we don't know that. They may well have discovered drawings, paintings, or photographs of Eleven and his strange blue box among Roman artifacts, or from some other trip that we have not yet seen him take to the past.
 
2012-08-27 03:00:53 AM
24 years ago, during the series' silver anniversary, the show had its first meta reference. Transported back to the I. M. Foreman junkyard and the Cole Hill School on 22 November 1963, Ace crashes out at a boarding house. The next evening, Saturday 23 November, she switches off the television, just as the BBC announcer states that next up is a new science fiction series, "Do.... [click]

Perhaps next year, the Doctor and company could find themselves in St. Pancras, London, on 8 January 1908, just as a young unmarried woman, Lucy Hartnell, pops out a baby boy, Billy. I'm not sold on that; I'm brainstorming/spitballing.
 
2012-08-27 03:21:34 AM

teto85: PBS has the opposite problem


Um no. When they screened Sherlock they cut a lot of stuff to make it fit the Masterpiece timeslot, including some of the funniest and most character-developing parts (like the reveal that Sherlock stole the ashtray from Buckingham Palace to amuse John). Kudos to them for getting the actual Sherlock team to make the cuts instead of randomly taking a razor to it, I suppose.

But I don't know how they thought they would get away with it. Everyone (including PBS!) knew that the fans had already watched 'illegal' versions and that it would be immediately obvious that cuts had been made. A lot of people were watching it on PBS then to give it ratings out of loyalty to the show. A lot of fans decided they won't do that next time because why watch a munted version? So PBS screwed themselves, there.

Idiots.
 
2012-08-27 03:26:43 AM

if_i_really_have_to: teto85: PBS has the opposite problem

Um no. When they screened Sherlock they cut a lot of stuff to make it fit the Masterpiece timeslot, including some of the funniest and most character-developing parts (like the reveal that Sherlock stole the ashtray from Buckingham Palace to amuse John). Kudos to them for getting the actual Sherlock team to make the cuts instead of randomly taking a razor to it, I suppose.

But I don't know how they thought they would get away with it. Everyone (including PBS!) knew that the fans had already watched 'illegal' versions and that it would be immediately obvious that cuts had been made. A lot of people were watching it on PBS then to give it ratings out of loyalty to the show. A lot of fans decided they won't do that next time because why watch a munted version? So PBS screwed themselves, there.

Idiots.


They did the same thing with Downton Abbey, though it's not quite as noticeable because Downton's plots aren't so tightly written as Sherlock's are.
 
2012-08-27 03:28:10 AM
PBS did the same thing with Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes. I don't know whether those cuts were made by PBS / my PBS station, or if the only version available from the syndicate (for a given language, anyway) is the one with commercial cuts.
 
2012-08-27 03:31:58 AM

HopScotchNSoda: I'm thinking that the brevity and the superficial level of examination of Rory's lack of faith (assuming that's even the correct analysis) was just a foreshadow or a tease for something we're going to get in the next few weeks. I have no knowledge one way or the other; I'm just looking at the practice in the revived era to make passing mention of things, and only later examine these pre-established things. Davies would do that within a series or a little longer (e,g.. "Bad Wolf", Torchwood, Mr. Saxon, the long-term implications of the TARDIS' perception filter, Wilfred, Donna, the stars going out, the Adipose home world's disappearance). RTD Moffat does it too, but also on a much longer scale (e.g., River, the forests, Prof. Candy & Luna U, Amy unknowingly predicting the Doctor's use of the Teselecta as a Doctor suit, Amy's question about the TARDIS' roof light.)


FIFM Too many edits & re-wordings lead to artifacts like that. Sorry.
 
2012-08-27 03:59:24 AM
Hopefully Moffat's location scout can find some other big fancy halls in or near the Cardiff studios so that they can lay off of the Temple of Peace and Health for a while. An average of one episode per season has been shot there. That distinctive parquet floor is getting pretty recogniseable, and it's interfering with suspension of disbelief.

On the other hand, I rather liked the umpteenth return to Roald Dahl Plass in "The Girl Who Waited." Not only had we not seen that particular spot (the foyer of the Wales Millennium Centre -- when Amy arrives at the Kindness Center), but that spot was perfect. I don't know if director Nick Hurran was intending from the start to evoke the entrance to the euthanasia centre in Soylent Green (filmed in the foyer of the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena), but he certainly ended up doing so, which meshed perfectly with the beautiful landscapes for her enjoyment (like the filmed vistas of natural beauty projected on the screens when Edward G. Robinson's character is euthenised), the anticipated permanency of her stay.
 
2012-08-27 04:33:24 AM

rynthetyn: loonatic112358: rynthetyn: You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor. everything remotely human

don't forget, when he comes from a poodle could be a viable partner

I still can't believe that One Million Moms never complained about Captain John making eyes at the poodle, it's not like the episode hasn't aired dozens of times in the US.


Right, as if those inbred Jeezer dipshiats have even heard of Doctor Who, let alone possess the minimum number of functioning neurons to understand it.
 
2012-08-27 04:41:33 AM

BorgiaGinz: rynthetyn: loonatic112358: rynthetyn: You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor. everything remotely human

don't forget, when he comes from a poodle could be a viable partner

I still can't believe that One Million Moms never complained about Captain John making eyes at the poodle, it's not like the episode hasn't aired dozens of times in the US.

Right, as if those inbred Jeezer dipshiats have even heard of Doctor Who, let alone possess the minimum number of functioning neurons to understand it.


When have they ever watched any of the other shows they complain about? Normally, the fact that the creator of a show like Queer as Folk is involved would be enough for them to be preemptively outraged.
 
2012-08-27 04:42:12 AM

loonatic112358: rynthetyn: You're kidding, right? Captain Jack spent half the time blatantly hitting on the Doctor. everything remotely human

don't forget, when he comes from a poodle could be a viable partner



But not Donna Noble. The one white guy she goes after and he wanted nothing to do with her. She practically chased him around the TARDIS control console in "Journey's End".
 
2012-08-27 07:01:38 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Interesting that I mentioned those three characters. I just went looking for pics of Madame Vastra & Jenny, only to discover that they and Strax have a two-parter coming up, beginning with the Christmas episode when the Doctor gets his new companion. Jenna-Louise Coleman, the next companion actress, is currently best known for portraying a lesbian -- and her first two episodes also feature the return of the series' first lesbian couple (not counting Amy's blatant flirtation with her two-minute older/younger self in "Time"). Coincidence? Does Clara "tip the scales" too?


Woah, I had forgotten and just remembered that Rachel Stirling is also in the Christmas episode. I don't know how I forgot, as I pointed this out in another thread weeks ago (before learning of the return of Vastra & Jenny): The reason we sometimes refer to a hypothetical spin-off of those two as "Tipping the Scales" is that Rachel Stirling and Keeley Hawes (of Spooks [a/k/a MI5] and Ashes to Ashes starred in a BBC TV movie about a pair of Victorian lesbians called Tipping the Velvet (an expression meaning to perform cunnilingus on a woman's 'velvet').

I tend to guess that all of this is not a coincidence.

/ I could make some crass remark about chewing on the Doctor's blue box (which conveniently took on the form of a woman last year). 

/ / Maybe I will.
 
2012-08-27 07:11:23 AM

FitzShivering: t3knomanser: I'd also add that I don't think the Tennant era has many classic episodes either- "Blink", "The Girl in the Fireplace" and "Midnight" come to mind. Eccleston gets "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" and "Dalek". Actually, on sheer percentages, that puts Eccleston ahead for NuWho.

Dalek is one of my all time favorites. I thought it was one of the few that made the Doctor's searing hatred for the Dalek truly memorable, and explained why he'd be willing to do what he did and earn the reputation he had. The whole, "Daleks are incredibly evil but I'll still be goofy about it" bit from other Doctors just never got it across for me. Eccleston was, IMO, the first to portray the Doctor's willingness to burn the entire universe to destroy them.


Not seen Sylvester McCoy's interactions with the Daleks, then? He was absolutely nasty with them.

That said, I liked "Vincent and the Doctor," but it was written in such a way to be a bit of a hollow tear-jerker. It was good, but a bit maudlin. I will say "The God Complex" was also good, but just didn't really strike me as brilliant (maybe it was the Weeping Angels appearance...again). I liked "The Doctor's Wife," too, but most people only like it because it spelled out to them what most Doctor Who fans had already figured out -- the TARDIS was always in control.

For Tennant, there are plenty of memorable episodes. The Family of Blood story arc, The Satan Pit, Blink, Journey's End, The Girl in the Fireplace (though a bit hammy at parts), and so on. And, Tennant was able to "rescue" scripts and make them at least watchable on his own.

Eccelston had some great ones, too. I just don't see much from the Smith run that will be a top-rated episode in the future...Smith reminds me a lot of McCoy in some ways: a wonderful take on the Doctor, but saddled with mediocre scripts, bad plotlines, and questionable companions (except for Rory).
 
2012-08-27 07:19:12 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not seen Sylvester McCoy's interactions with the Daleks, then? He was absolutely nasty with them.


He

was nasty? He tended to let Ace handle that. Ace kicked Dalek (and Cyberman) ass. The girl beat the hell out of a Dalek with a 'supercharged' baseball bat next to Susan's desk in Barbara's classroom -- took out a Dalek by clubbing it. She still had several bottles of her home-brewed Nitro-9 with which to ruin other Daleks' day.

By the way, the first of this week's five Pond Life mini-episodes is up, and the BBC i-Player doesn't appear to be region-specific. I didn't have to launch ExpatShield in order to watch it.
 
2012-08-27 08:15:03 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I have doubts about the quality of this season. The previous season had its moments, but it sucked in places...Moffat is a much better writer than producer. He has overexposed the Angels, did a horrible redesign of the Daleks (which he is redoung one season later), and has a boner for Amy Pond that seems bigger than the one Davies had for Rose. And there are rumors of the new companion being all love interesty. I feel sorry for Matt Smith...he has a great take on the Doctor, but I am hard pressed to think of any "classic" episodes during his run.


The one with the Dreamlord is a goddamn gem.
 
2012-08-27 08:34:10 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: BBC America has to make money, unlike its socialist precursor.


This. The BBC in the UK is funded by the licence fee, hence no adverts, but the BBC is not allowed to use licence fee money to fund services overseas (except the world service) so BBCA has to have adverts.
 
2012-08-27 08:40:38 AM

FirstNationalBastard: TheManofPA: mat catastrophe: Sheesh. Why can't America have nice things?

We covered that in the:
1) Honey Boo Boo ratings thread
2) The Olympics thread where NBC said they needed the announcers for the opening ceremonies because Americans aren't smart enough to handle it on our own

BBCA thinks they are doing us a favor with the Amy Pond Adventures opening.....



I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.


The BBC are a bit pushed for content. BBCA has to be self funded so money is tight. And lots of BBC shows are not made by the BBC (Merlin, Spooks, QI, HIGNFY, Sherlock, New Tricks, Hustle, Life On Mars/Ashes To Ashes etc) so they do not own the rights to show them in the US. The production company is free to sell to the highest bidder.
Even stuff made in house by the BBC, like Doctor Who, has to be sold at "fair market" price. If the BBC sold it to BBCA for peanuts it would be illegally subsidising a foreign channel with UK taxpayer money.
 
2012-08-27 08:45:08 AM

Flint Ironstag: And lots of BBC shows are not made by the BBC (Merlin, Spooks, QI, HIGNFY, Sherlock, New Tricks, Hustle, Life On Mars/Ashes To Ashes etc) so they do not own the rights to show them in the US. The production company is free to sell to the highest bidder.


BTW, the reason for this is that the BBC is required by law to have at least 25%, and up to 50%, of its shows made by independent production companies. So we get outrage at the "fact" that Jonathan Ross is "paid" £6million a year to present his chat show, when in fact that was the fee to produce the show and had to pay for all the crew, guests, the band etc and £1.5million a year he had to pay back to the BBC to hire the studio at TV Centre to record the show.
 
2012-08-27 08:49:31 AM

t3knomanser: (and if I were god of all creation, he'd play Bob Howard in a Laundry Files series, with Bill Nighy as Angleton).


I... I.... I need a towel...
 
2012-08-27 08:56:28 AM
What is a commercial? This is the geek section.. if anyone reading in here has seen a commercial in at least 5 years i would be shocked.. another fine topic greenlit...
 
2012-08-27 10:54:37 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.


That seems to be the best way to watch all the Matt Smith series.
 
2012-08-27 10:55:06 AM
On the topic of Dr. Who: Here is something I've been wondering.

So: The Stolen Earth un-happened/never happened, because of the cracks in time, right? (Which is why Amy Pond couldn't remember/recognize the Daleks in that WWII episode, why no one on earth seems to know about the earth having been stolen, etc.)

... Does this mean that Harriet Jones is still alive?
I hope so, as I actually rather liked her. While I disagree with what she did, I *understand* why she did it, and 10's actions afterwards, plus him never really owning up to the havok it ended up causing, kinda pissed me off about 10.
 
2012-08-27 10:59:43 AM

HopScotchNSoda: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not seen Sylvester McCoy's interactions with the Daleks, then? He was absolutely nasty with them.


He was nasty? He tended to let Ace handle that. Ace kicked Dalek (and Cyberman) ass. The girl beat the hell out of a Dalek with a 'supercharged' baseball bat next to Susan's desk in Barbara's classroom -- took out a Dalek by clubbing it. She still had several bottles of her home-brewed Nitro-9 with which to ruin other Daleks' day.

By the way, the first of this week's five Pond Life mini-episodes is up, and the BBC i-Player doesn't appear to be region-specific. I didn't have to launch ExpatShield in order to watch it.


Hey, he stared down a Dalek and talked it into killing itself, and he blew up their ship and blew up Skaro, destroying their home planet. And he did it all with a grim hatred on his face. Beneath the goofy vest and silly hat, McCoy's Doctor had little problem with putting the Daleks in their place.
 
2012-08-27 11:10:59 AM

jonny_q: Just quickly dropping in here, skipping the thread and all, but a "blockbuster a week" sounds like a horrible idea, considering that the very best Moffat episodes are the lower key ones. Blink was hardly a "blockbuster" episode, but was incredibly memorable plot and had a crapload of memorable lines, and the Doctor himself was barely in it until the end.

I will grant that the Moffat "blockbuster" finales have been good, but the very best are the low-key episodes in the middle, especially the ones he wrote himself.

The worst RTD episodes were the ones where he tried to cram so much shiat into a single episode...

Hopefully "blockbuster" means something a little different there than it does here in the US.


I suspect that this whole "Michael Bay" style is very strongly driven by the show's success here in the
US, and the British perception that all we 'Merkins really care about is big explosions, CGI and lots of
sexy time, which, love her or hate her, Amy Pond does provide in spades:

img002.lazygirls.info

I think it is a wrong-headed way to go, though. You can't have big bada booms all the time.
 
2012-08-27 11:20:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HopScotchNSoda: Who knows, the Torchwood Institute might have gotten word of a man who never ages and who is continually seen near the Roman Pandorica box, and Jack gave Rory his speech about the absence of an afterlife.

...or saw just how anatomically correct an Auton is.


www.tvequals.com

"Fully functional. Five speeds. And attachments."
 
2012-08-27 11:39:00 AM

Felgraf: On the topic of Dr. Who: Here is something I've been wondering.

So: The Stolen Earth un-happened/never happened, because of the cracks in time, right? (Which is why Amy Pond couldn't remember/recognize the Daleks in that WWII episode, why no one on earth seems to know about the earth having been stolen, etc.)

... Does this mean that Harriet Jones is still alive?
I hope so, as I actually rather liked her. While I disagree with what she did, I *understand* why she did it, and 10's actions afterwards, plus him never really owning up to the havok it ended up causing, kinda pissed me off about 10.




No. The Doctor's reboot of the universe fixed the crack and put things back the way they "should" be. The stars came back, Amy's mum and "tiny little dad" came back, and so on.

Harriet, however, might well have been alive during the period (audience perspective; it was eternal from the in-universe perspective) between "The End of Time" and the universal reboot in "The Big Bang". For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.

Amy and Rory are now each dealing with the mental/psychological problems of having three different sets of memories -- all of them real, as Amy laments in "Good Night" and at the end of "The Wedding of River Song".
 
2012-08-27 12:02:54 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Hey, he stared down a Dalek and talked it into killing itself, and he blew up their ship and blew up Skaro, destroying their home planet. And he did it all with a grim hatred on his face. Beneath the goofy vest and silly hat, McCoy's Doctor had little problem with putting the Daleks in their place.



Alright, fair enough.

Still, he knew how to delegate, much like Eleven -- or maybe it's just that Eight, Nine, and Ten didn't have companions who were suited to being dispatched by the Doctor to handle violence and adapting to changing enemy situations to the degree that Ace was and the Williamses are.

Seven would send Ace to take some of her Nitro-9 which she assured him she was no longer making [wink wink] and disable Cyberships, or beat Daleks to death with a bat, to search and destroy Cybermen in the gasworks, and to seduce that Soviet captain away from his post and keep him occupied with her ripe body to buy time for the Doctor. Eleven likewise relies on the technical and tactical proficiency and combativeness of his old lady & in-laws.
 
2012-08-27 12:58:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard:
I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.


Hmmm, your cable box must be broken, and you probably *are* watching Spike. Because the BBC America I've been watching in HD has the original Top Gear, Gordon Ramsey, Luther, Copper, Doctor Who, Graham Norton, and Law and Order UK.

Pssshhh, I'm sorry. There I go, letting the facts get in the way of an ignorant and factually incorrect generalization about a network you've probably not even watched.
 
2012-08-27 01:43:41 PM

matthew_m_g: FirstNationalBastard:
I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.

Hmmm, your cable box must be broken, and you probably *are* watching Spike. Because the BBC America I've been watching in HD has the original Top Gear, Gordon Ramsey, Luther, Copper, Doctor Who, Graham Norton, and Law and Order UK.

Pssshhh, I'm sorry. There I go, letting the facts get in the way of an ignorant and factually incorrect generalization about a network you've probably not even watched.


Well, it always has a Star Trek: TNG ir Battlestar Galactica or X-Files rerun on when I flip past, so you can see the confusion.

/Ooh, they air 5 British shows. Good for them! I think LOGO airs more british shows.
//BBCA will not sleep with you, no matter how much you defend their shiatty presentation of shows.
 
2012-08-27 02:37:29 PM
The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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* Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

* getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

* The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.
 
2012-08-27 04:13:18 PM

I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".



Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

On his way out of Craig's house, he snags some stationary, schedules a picnic, and tries to pick up his old buddy, Sir Alistair.

Amy left him voicemail in between "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler".

He popped in to his in-laws' house for Christmas dinner. No worries; like Sir Alistair, Amy always ordered her nurse to set an extra place just in case the Doctor came round.

He told Jo and Sarah Jane in "Death of the Doctor" that, at the end of "The End of Time", he (as Ten) visited all former companions.

He and Amy pop by to visit little pre-"Eleventh Hour" Amelia at the fair in "Good Night".

Hell even look at the start of AGMGTW. He visits former companions and former quasi companions (with many of whom we, the audience, were unfamiliar -- i.e., Vastra & Jenny, Strax, Avery, Dorium, Danny Boy, and River) and rounds them up to rescue Amy and Melody.

His frequent, out-of-sequence dates and booty-calls with the wife -- instead of living together in the traditional sense -- seem rather akin to the above-described behaviour.
 
2012-08-27 04:17:30 PM

I. M. Foreman: The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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* Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

* getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

* The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.


It's not the low profile thing that bothers me, but the attempts to derive humor from something that isn't funny, but just plain stupid. This happens frequently with Amy's one-off sarcastic lines, which are intended to make people laugh, but instead makes her look like an imbecile or an annoying dolt.
 
2012-08-27 04:22:16 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".


Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

etc


Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Not surprising that Moffat uses time travel as a key part of each adventure, and links episodes to other episodes by overlapping. Watch Coupling (which you should do anyway because it's great) and you regularly see episodes with split narratives, events shown again and again, split screens following different characters who interact occasionally and so on. The guy loves complicated structures.

I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained. And Rory's ID badge.
 
2012-08-27 04:24:09 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer:
It's not the low profile thing that bothers me, but the attempts to derive humor from something that isn't funny, but just plain stupid. This happens frequently with Amy's one-off sarcastic lines, which are intended to make people laugh, but instead makes her look like an imbecile or an annoying dolt.


Amy's "Did you wish really hard?" line when the Doctor introduced the Tardis in female form got a laugh from me.
 
2012-08-27 04:45:22 PM

rynthetyn: I was just hoping that since Madame Vastra and Jenny are in the episode where Clara's introduced that it means Clara is from the 19th century. I'd rather like it if they went with a companion from a different time period, and the Victorian era would be nifty.


I really liked the speculation that she's a former, possibly stranded, companion of the Corsair.
 
2012-08-27 04:47:09 PM

Flint Ironstag: I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained.


They may decide to come up with an in-story explanation anyways, (Lodger-style timeship or whatnot) but the actual house they filmed in has those "extra stairs" - they lead to the attic. It's not something that was added or otherwise unusual for the house.
 
2012-08-27 04:52:57 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".


Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

On his way out of Craig's house, he snags some stationary, schedules a picnic, and tries to pick up his old buddy, Sir Alistair.

Amy left him voicemail in between "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler".

He popped in to his in-laws' house for Christmas dinner. No worries; like Sir Alistair, Amy always ordered her nurse to set an extra place just in case the Doctor came round.

He told Jo and Sarah Jane in "Death of the Doctor" that, at the end of "The End of Time", he (as Ten) visited all former companions.

He and Amy pop by to visit little pre-"Eleventh Hour" Amelia at the fair in "Good Night".

Hell even look at the start of AGMGTW. He visits former companions and former quasi companions (with many of whom we, the audience, were unfamiliar -- i.e., Vastra & Jenny, Strax, Avery, Dorium, Danny Boy, and River) and rounds them up to rescue Amy and Melody.

His frequent, out-of-sequence dates and booty-calls with the wife -- instead of living together in the traditional sense -- seem rather akin to the above-described behaviour.


There's a decent explanation for that... the Doctor is getting old, and reaching the end of his life. It's logical to think he's going to start looking back on what he's done, the people he knew, and get sentimental.

I mean, after Matt Smith, he's got two more incarnations, and that's it.

/yes, yes, we all know that won't be it, and he either got all the regenerations from all the Time Lords when they died, or when Melody sacrificed her regenerations to save him, he wound up with 10 more Regenerations, but that doesn't mean The Doctor knows that, and may be surprised when he makes it to the end of #13 and becomes Doctor #14.
//He may also be surprised he doesn't become The Valeyard.
 
2012-08-27 05:16:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.


That sounds like a good plan. I'll probably do the same.
 
2012-08-27 06:08:22 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained.

They may decide to come up with an in-story explanation anyways, (Lodger-style timeship or whatnot) but the actual house they filmed in has those "extra stairs" - they lead to the attic. It's not something that was added or otherwise unusual for the house.


The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs. It would have had a hatch or maybe servants stairs which would have been tiny and hidden behind a door. (I grew up in a 200 year old house with servant quarters in the attic. It had a huge main staircase but the stairs to the attic were tiny and hidden behind what looked like a cupboard door. Sadly we didn't have servants.)

No location manager would ever pick an exterior location and an interior location that didn't match up in such a basic way, they don't just visit one house and say "Yeah, that'll do..." And that landing was featured in a big way, with lots of footage showing the stairs. It was central to the episode.

I think the Lodger type explanation is quite possible, many have said the exterior of the house looks like a big Tardis....

It could also explain why the new Doctor went for a five minute trip but arrived back ten years later. He might have arrived five minutes later, the house and Amy moved. This could also tie into to the date on Rory's badge, again like the stairs something that was very deliberately shot to be noticed while making you think you were noticing something else. The Doctor told Amy to look because she was missing something. What she was looking at included the stairs but we were then told it was the extra door she had missed. With Rory's badge it was the fact that he was a Nurse from that hospital that were were led to be significant.
 
2012-08-27 06:19:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: the Doctor is getting old, and reaching the end of his life. It's logical to think he's going to start looking back on what he's done, the people he knew, and get sentimental.

I mean, after Matt Smith, he's got two more incarnations, and that's it.

/yes, yes, we all know that won't be it, and he either got all the regenerations from all the Time Lords when they died, or when Melody sacrificed her regenerations to save him, he wound up with 10 more Regenerations, but that doesn't mean The Doctor knows that, and may be surprised when he makes it to the end of #13 and becomes Doctor #14.
//He may also be surprised he doesn't become The Valeyard.



I speculate that "Time Lord Victorious" has something on the order of 11,989-12,000 or so lives left. That would explain River's twelve thousand consecutive life sentences. Or were Melody/Mels committing genocide off-screen? Maybe after regenerating in New York in January 1970, she caught a boat to Cambodia and worked the Khmer Rouge's killing fields for Pol Pot in the mid-seventies? Getting in between the Teselecta's Luger and Adolf Hitler wouldn't rate 12K life sentences; it would either be none or in the millions).
 
2012-08-27 06:30:28 PM
Flint Ironstag: Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Exceptions being (off the top of my head):

* Pyramids of Mars - A quick trip to 1980 in the middle of the story to show Sarah how things will turn out if they don't stop Sutekh.

* City of Death - A quick trip to 1505 Italy to catch up with Da Vinci.

* Mawdryn Undead - takes place in 2 time zones simultaneously.

And though it's not considered canon, imo the best use of the TARDIS during the "classic era" was in the Big Finish Audio Adventure "The Mutant Phase" w/Peter Davison.
 
2012-08-27 06:33:33 PM

Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs


It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
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Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
2012-08-27 06:41:24 PM

Nurglitch: The one with the Dreamlord is a goddamn gem.


I still don't think we are done with him.
 
2012-08-27 06:49:08 PM

I. M. Foreman: Flint Ironstag: Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Exceptions being (off the top of my head):
* Pyramids of Mars - A quick trip to 1980 in the middle of the story to show Sarah how things will turn out if they don't stop Sutekh.
* City of Death - A quick trip to 1505 Italy to catch up with Da Vinci.
* Mawdryn Undead - takes place in 2 time zones simultaneously.
And though it's not considered canon, imo the best use of the TARDIS during the "classic era" was in the Big Finish Audio Adventure "The Mutant Phase" w/Peter Davison.


Oh, there's an early serial that foreshadowed a lot of NuWho plotlines and featured the TARDIS travelling all over the damn place: The Chase

Didn't they have some use for the TARDIS as a tool within Timeflight and loaded her sideways into Concorde's cargo deck? I could be mis-remembering.

Then there was the use of the Zero Room for recovery, and the pool & Peri's quarters for bikini-clad T&A.

There certainly wasn't any TARDIS travel mid-story at first, as the Doctor had no ability to control her. It was like putting an orangutan behind the wheel of a large automobile. The Doctor would have been incapable of leaving and returning within a story.

It was used mid-story in Attack of the Cybermen.

The SIDRATS were advanced TARDISes (note the reverse spelling, even) which were intregal to The War Games.
 
2012-08-27 07:27:21 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs

It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
[i.imgur.com image 613x344]

Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.

If those stairs led to a hatch how would you open it? The hatch would have to be huge, at least seven feet long otherwise you'd hit your head on the frame even when it was open. Why would you have a main staircase leading to somewhere that only had a water tank and some junk? And servants would not use the public stairs, they'd be hidden away.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.
 
2012-08-27 08:13:30 PM

I. M. Foreman: The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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1. Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

2. Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

3. getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

4. The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.


1. Because they're family.
2. Because he's silly.
3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?
4. Yeah, that was silly. But how would you know it was a post death Doctor. If he and River can't keep up with where they are in the time stream, how could anyone else?
 
2012-08-27 10:18:48 PM
I will go along with

I. M. Foreman: * Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".



Four didn't leave Sarah Jane voicemails, no -- since who the hell had answering machines then? They existed, sure, but most viewers had never even left a message on one, much less seen one.

Four however did send her a big package, in care of her Aunt Lavina's house in Croydon. It took a few years for Sarah Jane to be bothered to pop round and collect it; meanwhile, Lavina moved to the country and had the crate stored in her attic. Inside, Sarah Jane discovered a present: K-9 Mark III.

Continued telecommunication is not unique to Eleven. Martha tried ringing him in "Stolen Earth" but being time-shifted out of phase prevented a connection. Ten also reunited frequently with ex-companions. Five reunited with Tegan after a year apart and she joined the TARDIS crew again for a while. After he got the TARDIS working right again and left UNIT's full-time employ, several incarnations of the Doctor kept popping back into Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart's life.


* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

There's a lot of "been there, done that, it was exhausting." Plus they've gotten comfortable back in the real world, having a proper married life, in the gorgeous house he gave them. Were it not for having gone off with him, they wouldn't be trying to reconcile three different sets of totally real memories, nor would they have missed out on so much of their now menopausal daughter's life. He's also no longer merely a crazy old man who goes on adventures [OK, one of Rory's timelines is older than the Doctor] -- he's their loony son-in-law for whom their daughter is serving time.
 
2012-08-27 11:45:17 PM

Gunny Walker: 3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?


Ok admit it, it would be hilarious if in a one-off he stopped by Mata Hari's place and you see all these clothes in the background and instead they are just playing chess on laundry day
 
2012-08-28 01:16:07 AM

Gunny Walker: 3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?


As did Shakespeare. The Doctor and Martha were the inspiration for Shakespeare's sonnets.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:40 AM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs

It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
[i.imgur.com image 613x344]

Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


I don't see any stairs in this picture.
 
2012-08-28 10:18:45 AM

Flint Ironstag: No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.


FFS, that's the actual house! It's not a studio set or a different house and those are the stairs leading to the attic trap door. You can argue it's an unusual design but you can't argue that it doesn't exist because it does.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

We weren't shown this shot at all. It's from Doctor Who confidential. The stairs weren't shown this way in the actual show... which is of course what led to all the speculation of mysterious missing floors and time ships to begin with because "why are they avoiding showing it?" etc.

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.

They filmed interiors and exteriors in the same house.
 
2012-08-28 10:22:56 AM
Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.
 
2012-08-28 10:31:50 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.


Maybe the Doctor can bring them a new Mel to pal around with...

i528.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-28 10:34:09 AM
Oh, dear, that just made me think of something else.

As kids, Amy made Rory dress up as The Raggedy Doctor for their make-believe play, the start of the couple roleplaying/costume fetish. And Mels was usually playing with them. So Amy and Rory were "playing doctor" with their own daughter.* I'm not sure whether to shudder or fap. Opinions?

*Admittedly not without precedent in NuWho.

Hummmm, another thought. Could Jenny be a regenerated Jenny? Eleven didn't appear to recognize her -- or were the two keeping their mouths shut because Vastra doesn't know?
 
2012-08-28 10:40:11 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HopScotchNSoda: Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.

Maybe the Doctor can bring them a new Mel to pal around with...
[i528.photobucket.com image 512x384]


Not a bad idea. She is the youngest of the classic era companions (Ace was depicted as younger than Mel, but Langford is really younger than Aldred). One of those two would be good for a TSJA replacement. I've been speculating about the possibility of Mel and Glitz crossing paths with Avery and the Fancy crew.
 
2012-08-28 01:16:26 PM

HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.


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Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.
 
2012-08-28 01:51:46 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.

FFS, that's the actual house! It's not a studio set or a different house and those are the stairs leading to the attic trap door. You can argue it's an unusual design but you can't argue that it doesn't exist because it does.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

We weren't shown this shot at all. It's from Doctor Who confidential. The stairs weren't shown this way in the actual show... which is of course what led to all the speculation of mysterious missing floors and time ships to begin with because "why are they avoiding showing it?" etc.

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.

They filmed interiors and exteriors in the same house.


Cite? Because some people noted that some tiny details didn't match up. In a shot from inside the front door had clear glass panels while from the outside it had blue tinted ones, for example. And looking straight out the front window on the first floor there are trees right in front of the house while from the outside there aren't.
 
2012-08-28 02:14:08 PM

Jackpot777: HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.

[a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 500x371]

Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.


Yes.. We know who you are.
 
2012-08-28 02:20:48 PM

Jackpot777: HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.
[a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 500x371]
Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.



That was our universe (or, rather, the programme's primary universe) . In Pete Tyler's universe (i.e., the one where Rose, Jackie, and [what is he called? Ten-Point-Five'?] are now, and where Mickey replaced his doppleganger Ricky for a while), the UK is a republic, as was the alternate universe UK visited by the Third Doctor in Inferno. In "Doomsday", Pete mentions that Harriet Jones acceded to the Presidency after the Cybermen killed the President in "Rise of the Cybermen".
 
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