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2012-08-27 08:49:31 AM

t3knomanser: (and if I were god of all creation, he'd play Bob Howard in a Laundry Files series, with Bill Nighy as Angleton).


I... I.... I need a towel...
 
2012-08-27 08:56:28 AM
What is a commercial? This is the geek section.. if anyone reading in here has seen a commercial in at least 5 years i would be shocked.. another fine topic greenlit...
 
2012-08-27 10:54:37 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.


That seems to be the best way to watch all the Matt Smith series.
 
2012-08-27 10:55:06 AM
On the topic of Dr. Who: Here is something I've been wondering.

So: The Stolen Earth un-happened/never happened, because of the cracks in time, right? (Which is why Amy Pond couldn't remember/recognize the Daleks in that WWII episode, why no one on earth seems to know about the earth having been stolen, etc.)

... Does this mean that Harriet Jones is still alive?
I hope so, as I actually rather liked her. While I disagree with what she did, I *understand* why she did it, and 10's actions afterwards, plus him never really owning up to the havok it ended up causing, kinda pissed me off about 10.
 
2012-08-27 10:59:43 AM

HopScotchNSoda: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not seen Sylvester McCoy's interactions with the Daleks, then? He was absolutely nasty with them.


He was nasty? He tended to let Ace handle that. Ace kicked Dalek (and Cyberman) ass. The girl beat the hell out of a Dalek with a 'supercharged' baseball bat next to Susan's desk in Barbara's classroom -- took out a Dalek by clubbing it. She still had several bottles of her home-brewed Nitro-9 with which to ruin other Daleks' day.

By the way, the first of this week's five Pond Life mini-episodes is up, and the BBC i-Player doesn't appear to be region-specific. I didn't have to launch ExpatShield in order to watch it.


Hey, he stared down a Dalek and talked it into killing itself, and he blew up their ship and blew up Skaro, destroying their home planet. And he did it all with a grim hatred on his face. Beneath the goofy vest and silly hat, McCoy's Doctor had little problem with putting the Daleks in their place.
 
2012-08-27 11:10:59 AM

jonny_q: Just quickly dropping in here, skipping the thread and all, but a "blockbuster a week" sounds like a horrible idea, considering that the very best Moffat episodes are the lower key ones. Blink was hardly a "blockbuster" episode, but was incredibly memorable plot and had a crapload of memorable lines, and the Doctor himself was barely in it until the end.

I will grant that the Moffat "blockbuster" finales have been good, but the very best are the low-key episodes in the middle, especially the ones he wrote himself.

The worst RTD episodes were the ones where he tried to cram so much shiat into a single episode...

Hopefully "blockbuster" means something a little different there than it does here in the US.


I suspect that this whole "Michael Bay" style is very strongly driven by the show's success here in the
US, and the British perception that all we 'Merkins really care about is big explosions, CGI and lots of
sexy time, which, love her or hate her, Amy Pond does provide in spades:

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I think it is a wrong-headed way to go, though. You can't have big bada booms all the time.
 
2012-08-27 11:20:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HopScotchNSoda: Who knows, the Torchwood Institute might have gotten word of a man who never ages and who is continually seen near the Roman Pandorica box, and Jack gave Rory his speech about the absence of an afterlife.

...or saw just how anatomically correct an Auton is.


www.tvequals.com

"Fully functional. Five speeds. And attachments."
 
2012-08-27 11:39:00 AM

Felgraf: On the topic of Dr. Who: Here is something I've been wondering.

So: The Stolen Earth un-happened/never happened, because of the cracks in time, right? (Which is why Amy Pond couldn't remember/recognize the Daleks in that WWII episode, why no one on earth seems to know about the earth having been stolen, etc.)

... Does this mean that Harriet Jones is still alive?
I hope so, as I actually rather liked her. While I disagree with what she did, I *understand* why she did it, and 10's actions afterwards, plus him never really owning up to the havok it ended up causing, kinda pissed me off about 10.




No. The Doctor's reboot of the universe fixed the crack and put things back the way they "should" be. The stars came back, Amy's mum and "tiny little dad" came back, and so on.

Harriet, however, might well have been alive during the period (audience perspective; it was eternal from the in-universe perspective) between "The End of Time" and the universal reboot in "The Big Bang". For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.

Amy and Rory are now each dealing with the mental/psychological problems of having three different sets of memories -- all of them real, as Amy laments in "Good Night" and at the end of "The Wedding of River Song".
 
2012-08-27 12:02:54 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Hey, he stared down a Dalek and talked it into killing itself, and he blew up their ship and blew up Skaro, destroying their home planet. And he did it all with a grim hatred on his face. Beneath the goofy vest and silly hat, McCoy's Doctor had little problem with putting the Daleks in their place.



Alright, fair enough.

Still, he knew how to delegate, much like Eleven -- or maybe it's just that Eight, Nine, and Ten didn't have companions who were suited to being dispatched by the Doctor to handle violence and adapting to changing enemy situations to the degree that Ace was and the Williamses are.

Seven would send Ace to take some of her Nitro-9 which she assured him she was no longer making [wink wink] and disable Cyberships, or beat Daleks to death with a bat, to search and destroy Cybermen in the gasworks, and to seduce that Soviet captain away from his post and keep him occupied with her ripe body to buy time for the Doctor. Eleven likewise relies on the technical and tactical proficiency and combativeness of his old lady & in-laws.
 
2012-08-27 12:58:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard:
I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.


Hmmm, your cable box must be broken, and you probably *are* watching Spike. Because the BBC America I've been watching in HD has the original Top Gear, Gordon Ramsey, Luther, Copper, Doctor Who, Graham Norton, and Law and Order UK.

Pssshhh, I'm sorry. There I go, letting the facts get in the way of an ignorant and factually incorrect generalization about a network you've probably not even watched.
 
2012-08-27 01:43:41 PM

matthew_m_g: FirstNationalBastard:
I would guess BBCA also thinks that they're doing viewers a favor by running only Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and X-Files instead of actual British programming, but all they've really done is piss off people who might actually watch their sad, Spike TV in the mid-'00s rip off network.

Hmmm, your cable box must be broken, and you probably *are* watching Spike. Because the BBC America I've been watching in HD has the original Top Gear, Gordon Ramsey, Luther, Copper, Doctor Who, Graham Norton, and Law and Order UK.

Pssshhh, I'm sorry. There I go, letting the facts get in the way of an ignorant and factually incorrect generalization about a network you've probably not even watched.


Well, it always has a Star Trek: TNG ir Battlestar Galactica or X-Files rerun on when I flip past, so you can see the confusion.

/Ooh, they air 5 British shows. Good for them! I think LOGO airs more british shows.
//BBCA will not sleep with you, no matter how much you defend their shiatty presentation of shows.
 
2012-08-27 02:37:29 PM
The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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* Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

* getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

* The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.
 
2012-08-27 04:13:18 PM

I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".



Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

On his way out of Craig's house, he snags some stationary, schedules a picnic, and tries to pick up his old buddy, Sir Alistair.

Amy left him voicemail in between "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler".

He popped in to his in-laws' house for Christmas dinner. No worries; like Sir Alistair, Amy always ordered her nurse to set an extra place just in case the Doctor came round.

He told Jo and Sarah Jane in "Death of the Doctor" that, at the end of "The End of Time", he (as Ten) visited all former companions.

He and Amy pop by to visit little pre-"Eleventh Hour" Amelia at the fair in "Good Night".

Hell even look at the start of AGMGTW. He visits former companions and former quasi companions (with many of whom we, the audience, were unfamiliar -- i.e., Vastra & Jenny, Strax, Avery, Dorium, Danny Boy, and River) and rounds them up to rescue Amy and Melody.

His frequent, out-of-sequence dates and booty-calls with the wife -- instead of living together in the traditional sense -- seem rather akin to the above-described behaviour.
 
2012-08-27 04:17:30 PM

I. M. Foreman: The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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*

*

*

*

*

* Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

* getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

* The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.


It's not the low profile thing that bothers me, but the attempts to derive humor from something that isn't funny, but just plain stupid. This happens frequently with Amy's one-off sarcastic lines, which are intended to make people laugh, but instead makes her look like an imbecile or an annoying dolt.
 
2012-08-27 04:22:16 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".


Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

etc


Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Not surprising that Moffat uses time travel as a key part of each adventure, and links episodes to other episodes by overlapping. Watch Coupling (which you should do anyway because it's great) and you regularly see episodes with split narratives, events shown again and again, split screens following different characters who interact occasionally and so on. The guy loves complicated structures.

I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained. And Rory's ID badge.
 
2012-08-27 04:24:09 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer:
It's not the low profile thing that bothers me, but the attempts to derive humor from something that isn't funny, but just plain stupid. This happens frequently with Amy's one-off sarcastic lines, which are intended to make people laugh, but instead makes her look like an imbecile or an annoying dolt.


Amy's "Did you wish really hard?" line when the Doctor introduced the Tardis in female form got a laugh from me.
 
2012-08-27 04:45:22 PM

rynthetyn: I was just hoping that since Madame Vastra and Jenny are in the episode where Clara's introduced that it means Clara is from the 19th century. I'd rather like it if they went with a companion from a different time period, and the Victorian era would be nifty.


I really liked the speculation that she's a former, possibly stranded, companion of the Corsair.
 
2012-08-27 04:47:09 PM

Flint Ironstag: I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained.


They may decide to come up with an in-story explanation anyways, (Lodger-style timeship or whatnot) but the actual house they filmed in has those "extra stairs" - they lead to the attic. It's not something that was added or otherwise unusual for the house.
 
2012-08-27 04:52:57 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I. M. Foreman: Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".


Eleven's been doing that

Remember all of the "waving at them through time" he did at the start of "The Impossible Astronaut"? From his perspective, this was between "The Gd Complex" and "Closing Time"

After all of those travels, he stops by Craig & Stormageddon's house to say good-bye (very "The End of Time"-esque, only to end up spending the week-end and fighting Cybermen.

On his way out of Craig's house, he snags some stationary, schedules a picnic, and tries to pick up his old buddy, Sir Alistair.

Amy left him voicemail in between "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler".

He popped in to his in-laws' house for Christmas dinner. No worries; like Sir Alistair, Amy always ordered her nurse to set an extra place just in case the Doctor came round.

He told Jo and Sarah Jane in "Death of the Doctor" that, at the end of "The End of Time", he (as Ten) visited all former companions.

He and Amy pop by to visit little pre-"Eleventh Hour" Amelia at the fair in "Good Night".

Hell even look at the start of AGMGTW. He visits former companions and former quasi companions (with many of whom we, the audience, were unfamiliar -- i.e., Vastra & Jenny, Strax, Avery, Dorium, Danny Boy, and River) and rounds them up to rescue Amy and Melody.

His frequent, out-of-sequence dates and booty-calls with the wife -- instead of living together in the traditional sense -- seem rather akin to the above-described behaviour.


There's a decent explanation for that... the Doctor is getting old, and reaching the end of his life. It's logical to think he's going to start looking back on what he's done, the people he knew, and get sentimental.

I mean, after Matt Smith, he's got two more incarnations, and that's it.

/yes, yes, we all know that won't be it, and he either got all the regenerations from all the Time Lords when they died, or when Melody sacrificed her regenerations to save him, he wound up with 10 more Regenerations, but that doesn't mean The Doctor knows that, and may be surprised when he makes it to the end of #13 and becomes Doctor #14.
//He may also be surprised he doesn't become The Valeyard.
 
2012-08-27 05:16:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I promise to wait until the entire season is up on Netflix so I can get my Doctor Who fix properly.


That sounds like a good plan. I'll probably do the same.
 
2012-08-27 06:08:22 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: I am still waiting for the mysterious extra stairs in Amy's house to be explained.

They may decide to come up with an in-story explanation anyways, (Lodger-style timeship or whatnot) but the actual house they filmed in has those "extra stairs" - they lead to the attic. It's not something that was added or otherwise unusual for the house.


The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs. It would have had a hatch or maybe servants stairs which would have been tiny and hidden behind a door. (I grew up in a 200 year old house with servant quarters in the attic. It had a huge main staircase but the stairs to the attic were tiny and hidden behind what looked like a cupboard door. Sadly we didn't have servants.)

No location manager would ever pick an exterior location and an interior location that didn't match up in such a basic way, they don't just visit one house and say "Yeah, that'll do..." And that landing was featured in a big way, with lots of footage showing the stairs. It was central to the episode.

I think the Lodger type explanation is quite possible, many have said the exterior of the house looks like a big Tardis....

It could also explain why the new Doctor went for a five minute trip but arrived back ten years later. He might have arrived five minutes later, the house and Amy moved. This could also tie into to the date on Rory's badge, again like the stairs something that was very deliberately shot to be noticed while making you think you were noticing something else. The Doctor told Amy to look because she was missing something. What she was looking at included the stairs but we were then told it was the extra door she had missed. With Rory's badge it was the fact that he was a Nurse from that hospital that were were led to be significant.
 
2012-08-27 06:19:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: the Doctor is getting old, and reaching the end of his life. It's logical to think he's going to start looking back on what he's done, the people he knew, and get sentimental.

I mean, after Matt Smith, he's got two more incarnations, and that's it.

/yes, yes, we all know that won't be it, and he either got all the regenerations from all the Time Lords when they died, or when Melody sacrificed her regenerations to save him, he wound up with 10 more Regenerations, but that doesn't mean The Doctor knows that, and may be surprised when he makes it to the end of #13 and becomes Doctor #14.
//He may also be surprised he doesn't become The Valeyard.



I speculate that "Time Lord Victorious" has something on the order of 11,989-12,000 or so lives left. That would explain River's twelve thousand consecutive life sentences. Or were Melody/Mels committing genocide off-screen? Maybe after regenerating in New York in January 1970, she caught a boat to Cambodia and worked the Khmer Rouge's killing fields for Pol Pot in the mid-seventies? Getting in between the Teselecta's Luger and Adolf Hitler wouldn't rate 12K life sentences; it would either be none or in the millions).
 
2012-08-27 06:30:28 PM
Flint Ironstag: Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Exceptions being (off the top of my head):

* Pyramids of Mars - A quick trip to 1980 in the middle of the story to show Sarah how things will turn out if they don't stop Sutekh.

* City of Death - A quick trip to 1505 Italy to catch up with Da Vinci.

* Mawdryn Undead - takes place in 2 time zones simultaneously.

And though it's not considered canon, imo the best use of the TARDIS during the "classic era" was in the Big Finish Audio Adventure "The Mutant Phase" w/Peter Davison.
 
2012-08-27 06:33:33 PM

Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs


It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
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Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
2012-08-27 06:41:24 PM

Nurglitch: The one with the Dreamlord is a goddamn gem.


I still don't think we are done with him.
 
2012-08-27 06:49:08 PM

I. M. Foreman: Flint Ironstag: Old Who tended to treat time travel, and the Tardis, as just something to get them to the story. Once there, once an adventure started, they rarely used the Tardis in any way, each adventure was dealt with in a purely linear way until the end, and then, and only then, they got back in the Tardis.

Exceptions being (off the top of my head):
* Pyramids of Mars - A quick trip to 1980 in the middle of the story to show Sarah how things will turn out if they don't stop Sutekh.
* City of Death - A quick trip to 1505 Italy to catch up with Da Vinci.
* Mawdryn Undead - takes place in 2 time zones simultaneously.
And though it's not considered canon, imo the best use of the TARDIS during the "classic era" was in the Big Finish Audio Adventure "The Mutant Phase" w/Peter Davison.


Oh, there's an early serial that foreshadowed a lot of NuWho plotlines and featured the TARDIS travelling all over the damn place: The Chase

Didn't they have some use for the TARDIS as a tool within Timeflight and loaded her sideways into Concorde's cargo deck? I could be mis-remembering.

Then there was the use of the Zero Room for recovery, and the pool & Peri's quarters for bikini-clad T&A.

There certainly wasn't any TARDIS travel mid-story at first, as the Doctor had no ability to control her. It was like putting an orangutan behind the wheel of a large automobile. The Doctor would have been incapable of leaving and returning within a story.

It was used mid-story in Attack of the Cybermen.

The SIDRATS were advanced TARDISes (note the reverse spelling, even) which were intregal to The War Games.
 
2012-08-27 07:27:21 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs

It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
[i.imgur.com image 613x344]

Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.

If those stairs led to a hatch how would you open it? The hatch would have to be huge, at least seven feet long otherwise you'd hit your head on the frame even when it was open. Why would you have a main staircase leading to somewhere that only had a water tank and some junk? And servants would not use the public stairs, they'd be hidden away.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.
 
2012-08-27 08:13:30 PM

I. M. Foreman: The first of the five "Pond Life" scenes came out today

spoilers (for a one-minute "episode" seems kinda silly)....

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1. Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".

2. Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

3. getting a bit tired of Moffett having historical babes fawning over/seducing Smith's Doctor. and he put in an erection joke ffs!

4. The Doctor doing "backing vocals" for a hip-hop record was also groan-inducing. so much for keeping a low profile.


1. Because they're family.
2. Because he's silly.
3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?
4. Yeah, that was silly. But how would you know it was a post death Doctor. If he and River can't keep up with where they are in the time stream, how could anyone else?
 
2012-08-27 10:18:48 PM
I will go along with

I. M. Foreman: * Why is the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory voicemails? With the exception of Tennant's drawn-out regeneration, he has never popped back or left voicemails for any of his former companions. You never saw Tom Baker's Doctor leaving messages for Sarah Jane after "Hand of Fear".



Four didn't leave Sarah Jane voicemails, no -- since who the hell had answering machines then? They existed, sure, but most viewers had never even left a message on one, much less seen one.

Four however did send her a big package, in care of her Aunt Lavina's house in Croydon. It took a few years for Sarah Jane to be bothered to pop round and collect it; meanwhile, Lavina moved to the country and had the crate stored in her attic. Inside, Sarah Jane discovered a present: K-9 Mark III.

Continued telecommunication is not unique to Eleven. Martha tried ringing him in "Stolen Earth" but being time-shifted out of phase prevented a connection. Ten also reunited frequently with ex-companions. Five reunited with Tegan after a year apart and she joined the TARDIS crew again for a while. After he got the TARDIS working right again and left UNIT's full-time employ, several incarnations of the Doctor kept popping back into Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart's life.


* Since they didn't pick up the phone, it's pretty clear that the Ponds have moved on somewhat from their travels with the Doctor. They are practically rolling their eyes while listening to him leaving the message.

There's a lot of "been there, done that, it was exhausting." Plus they've gotten comfortable back in the real world, having a proper married life, in the gorgeous house he gave them. Were it not for having gone off with him, they wouldn't be trying to reconcile three different sets of totally real memories, nor would they have missed out on so much of their now menopausal daughter's life. He's also no longer merely a crazy old man who goes on adventures [OK, one of Rory's timelines is older than the Doctor] -- he's their loony son-in-law for whom their daughter is serving time.
 
2012-08-27 11:45:17 PM

Gunny Walker: 3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?


Ok admit it, it would be hilarious if in a one-off he stopped by Mata Hari's place and you see all these clothes in the background and instead they are just playing chess on laundry day
 
2012-08-28 01:16:07 AM

Gunny Walker: 3. Would you rather some males do that? Did you know two of the founding fathers fancied him? Besides Mata Hari was famous for seducing people. What was she supposd to do? Play chess?


As did Shakespeare. The Doctor and Martha were the inspiration for Shakespeare's sonnets.
 
2012-08-28 09:23:40 AM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: The exterior house did not have a third floor. At most it may have had an attic, but an attic would not have had a proper flight of stairs

It's an attic. The stairs clearly lead to an attic hatch. (I think this shot is from DW: Confidential)
[i.imgur.com image 613x344]

Like I said, they could still opt for some time ship explanation, but the actual house has stairs that lead to an attic. They didn't add them or use a different house for the interiors.

I know after the scene in Flesh and Stone/Big Bang, everyone is convinced that apparent production oddities have to mean something (like the ominous figure in the distance at Lake Silencio that was *SO* obviously a future version of the Doctor observing his "murder" from a distance) but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


I don't see any stairs in this picture.
 
2012-08-28 10:18:45 AM

Flint Ironstag: No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.


FFS, that's the actual house! It's not a studio set or a different house and those are the stairs leading to the attic trap door. You can argue it's an unusual design but you can't argue that it doesn't exist because it does.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

We weren't shown this shot at all. It's from Doctor Who confidential. The stairs weren't shown this way in the actual show... which is of course what led to all the speculation of mysterious missing floors and time ships to begin with because "why are they avoiding showing it?" etc.

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.

They filmed interiors and exteriors in the same house.
 
2012-08-28 10:22:56 AM
Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.
 
2012-08-28 10:31:50 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.


Maybe the Doctor can bring them a new Mel to pal around with...

i528.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-28 10:34:09 AM
Oh, dear, that just made me think of something else.

As kids, Amy made Rory dress up as The Raggedy Doctor for their make-believe play, the start of the couple roleplaying/costume fetish. And Mels was usually playing with them. So Amy and Rory were "playing doctor" with their own daughter.* I'm not sure whether to shudder or fap. Opinions?

*Admittedly not without precedent in NuWho.

Hummmm, another thought. Could Jenny be a regenerated Jenny? Eleven didn't appear to recognize her -- or were the two keeping their mouths shut because Vastra doesn't know?
 
2012-08-28 10:40:11 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HopScotchNSoda: Oh, I just thought of something else that's changed in Amy & Rory's life. They no longer have their best mate, Mels. She was their closest pal whom they (particularly Amy) unknowingly reared since primary school. Now she only visits occasionally, and out of sequence.

Maybe the Doctor can bring them a new Mel to pal around with...
[i528.photobucket.com image 512x384]


Not a bad idea. She is the youngest of the classic era companions (Ace was depicted as younger than Mel, but Langford is really younger than Aldred). One of those two would be good for a TSJA replacement. I've been speculating about the possibility of Mel and Glitz crossing paths with Avery and the Fancy crew.
 
2012-08-28 01:16:26 PM

HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.


a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net

Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.
 
2012-08-28 01:51:46 PM

Aexia: Flint Ironstag: No house would ever have stairs like that leading to an attic trap door. I have been in many, many, houses in the UK of that vintage and that simply would not happen. You'd have a hatch in the ceiling somewhere with nothing leading up to it so you'd need a stepladder or, in the case of servants quarters in the attic, a tiny staircase, far smaller than the public staircase, totally separate and usually hidden behind a door. That staircase is the same size as the main staircase and shares the same banister. Those are not stairs leading to an attic.

FFS, that's the actual house! It's not a studio set or a different house and those are the stairs leading to the attic trap door. You can argue it's an unusual design but you can't argue that it doesn't exist because it does.

Even the very frame you posted shows that we were deliberately shown the stairs very clearly. We were meant to see them without noticing them or noticing that the house didn't have a second floor. (In the UK we go Ground Floor, then up to the First floor and up to the Second floor...)

We weren't shown this shot at all. It's from Doctor Who confidential. The stairs weren't shown this way in the actual show... which is of course what led to all the speculation of mysterious missing floors and time ships to begin with because "why are they avoiding showing it?" etc.

If the location manager had cocked up and got an interior that didn't match the exterior they'd have tried to hide it, not give us lingering shots of stairs then led nowhere.

They filmed interiors and exteriors in the same house.


Cite? Because some people noted that some tiny details didn't match up. In a shot from inside the front door had clear glass panels while from the outside it had blue tinted ones, for example. And looking straight out the front window on the first floor there are trees right in front of the house while from the outside there aren't.
 
2012-08-28 02:14:08 PM

Jackpot777: HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.

[a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 500x371]

Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.


Yes.. We know who you are.
 
2012-08-28 02:20:48 PM

Jackpot777: HopScotchNSoda: For what its worth, there is probably an [Ex?]-President Harriet Jones still alive in the Tylers' universe.
[a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 500x371]
Harriet Jones, Prime Minister.



That was our universe (or, rather, the programme's primary universe) . In Pete Tyler's universe (i.e., the one where Rose, Jackie, and [what is he called? Ten-Point-Five'?] are now, and where Mickey replaced his doppleganger Ricky for a while), the UK is a republic, as was the alternate universe UK visited by the Third Doctor in Inferno. In "Doomsday", Pete mentions that Harriet Jones acceded to the Presidency after the Cybermen killed the President in "Rise of the Cybermen".
 
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