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(LAist)   Estates of Good Samaritans electrocuted to death & rescuers who were merely burned to be billed by the City of Los Angeles: "We can't decide who's innocent, who gets a bill and who doesn't"   (laist.com) divider line 112
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2012-08-26 04:13:36 PM  
Oh boy. Subby's gonna be slapped around for saying "electrocuted to death."
 
2012-08-26 05:16:10 PM  
No good deed goes unpunished
 
2012-08-26 05:16:39 PM  
Electrocuted to death is redundant, Subby.

/Sheesh
 
2012-08-26 05:17:32 PM  
Estates of Good Samaritans electrocuted to death & rescuers who were merely burned to be billed by the City of Los Angeles: "We can't decide who's innocent, who gets a bill and who doesn't"

I'd think the city and state would be interested if the state accidentally executed him using electricity.

At least he wasn't killed to death in the chest.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:03 PM  
if I provide a service to you I expect you to pay for it.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:08 PM  
This, and worrying about being sued by someone, is the kind of shiat that makes people hesitant to help someone.

But enough about the headline.
 
2012-08-26 05:21:19 PM  
ftfa: "Authorities have also alleged that Samsonian was street racing at the time of the crash."

The wrong people were electrocuted. To death.
 
2012-08-26 05:22:24 PM  
www.leffatykki.com 

And now I shall kill you until you DIE from it!
 
2012-08-26 05:22:47 PM  
I thought this was going to be about getting an electric bill for it.
 
2012-08-26 05:23:55 PM  
LA is full of assholes. In other obvious non-news, the sky is blue.
 
2012-08-26 05:24:25 PM  
I don't see what's wrong with this.

If you impose a cost on someone else, you have to pay that cost.

Then, afterwards, you can sue a guilty party to recover your costs. You can't expect every local government to pay out huge amounts to anyone suspected of being a victim.
 
2012-08-26 05:25:33 PM  
They'll hit the kid and the municipality for wrongful death. No ambulance chaser worth his salt is dumb enough to leave off a liable party.
 
2012-08-26 05:28:25 PM  
simple solution. Send the bill to the electric company for their dangerous electricity killing people.

/Your Honor, my dead clients fully expected the power to automatically turn off by a very important breaker, that should of been implemented in such a situation.
//You got water in my electricity. You got electricity in my water.
 
2012-08-26 05:28:38 PM  
Damned Armenians!
 
2012-08-26 05:28:46 PM  
Shocking behavior from the City of Los Angeles.
 
2012-08-26 05:31:06 PM  
laist.com

Looks like the woman in this photo was shocked enough to make her blurry.
 
2012-08-26 05:31:29 PM  
What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.
 
2012-08-26 05:31:38 PM  

sheep snorter: simple solution. Send the bill to the electric company for their dangerous electricity killing people.

/Your Honor, my dead clients fully expected the power to automatically turn off by a very important breaker, that should of been implemented in such a situation.
//You got water in my electricity. You got electricity in my water.


The 2 great tastes that taste great together, oh, and death.
 
2012-08-26 05:36:04 PM  
Easy solution: sue the driver who caused the wreck or his insurance company.

He caused a wreck that resulted in the deaths of two people. So, sue his auto insurer for the wrongful deaths.
 
2012-08-26 05:44:21 PM  
I don't think a hospital billing department is set up to adjudicate liability. I might even go so far as to say they just bill the people they provide services to.
 
2012-08-26 05:47:54 PM  

BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.


I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.
 
2012-08-26 05:52:21 PM  
You can be electrocuted an not die.
 
2012-08-26 05:53:07 PM  
If he really was racing, I hope he gets tried tried for two counts of murder and sued by enough people that he never has another dime to his name and has to eat cold cat food under a bare bulb in a dingy apartment on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.

"Street racers" should be summarily executed on the curb.
 
2012-08-26 05:56:38 PM  

Litig8r: BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.

I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.


Police are funded by tax dollars. EMS and emergency medical are private.
 
2012-08-26 05:56:50 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.



You go first.
 
2012-08-26 05:57:31 PM  

Litig8r: BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.

I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.


We wouldn't have to pay like that if we had Universal Healthcare...
 
2012-08-26 05:57:38 PM  
On the bill, it should be returned with a two words written on it. FARK OFF!

Let them try and collect, it is time City Councils (read as organized crime syndicate) realize they are useless pieces of crap. Self important asshats who do nothing but suck from the community.
 
2012-08-26 06:00:28 PM  
And this is why popular American economic/political/social philosophy and culture is literally retarded.
 
2012-08-26 06:01:47 PM  
I feel sorry for all those bystanders that the NYPD cops injured as they shot the murderer outside the Empire State bldg the other day.

The perp is dead, the cops are not liable, so I guess they're stuck with paying their own medical bills.
 
2012-08-26 06:05:15 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.


I thought so too, then I looked it up. Nope - it means killin', all right.

/Fark teaching me things on my day off? Huh.
 
2012-08-26 06:07:40 PM  
This is a shocking development. Ohm at a loss for words. Watt will be the outcome.
 
2012-08-26 06:08:35 PM  

Capt_Fodder: Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.

I thought so too, then I looked it up. Nope - it means killin', all right.

/Fark teaching me things on my day off? Huh.


Then what do they call it if you get zapped, but not deaded?
 
2012-08-26 06:10:01 PM  

Capt_Fodder: Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.

I thought so too, then I looked it up. Nope - it means killin', all right.

/Fark teaching me things on my day off? Huh.



I learned that in eletrocutorial college.
 
2012-08-26 06:11:03 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Capt_Fodder: Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.

I thought so too, then I looked it up. Nope - it means killin', all right.

/Fark teaching me things on my day off? Huh.


Then what do they call it if you get zapped, but not deaded?



Lucky.
 
2012-08-26 06:17:24 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.


Uh, no, you can't. "Electrocution" is a portmanteau of "Electric" and "execution." The word means "killed by electricity." If you are killed by an electric shock, you have been electrocuted. If you receive an electric shock and don't die from it, you have been shocked. Not electrocuted.
Now, a lot of people misuse the word to refer to someone who wasn't killed by the electric shock they received, but that's not correct.
 
2012-08-26 06:18:43 PM  
They already got paid by taxes. This is fraud.
 
2012-08-26 06:19:11 PM  
just turn around and sue the crash victim they tried to help for the cost of the bills.
 
2012-08-26 06:19:20 PM  
You know, this story made a recent Fark thread come back to me. When a bystander pulled some people from a smoking car after a wreck, the news hailed the guy as a hero but the story included a quote from a police or fire spokesman who basically said "please don't do this, call 911 when you witness an accident and let professional rescuers do their jobs." Oh, the outrage here on Fark, with snarky comments about how silly it would be to stand there and do nothing while waiting for trained people. That Professional RescuerTM just thinks he knows better than the rest of us. How hard could it be?

And now we have this - Even a seriously injured driver is safer left bleeding in his car than getting out under these circumstances. Now, the rescuers not only have to contend with the original wreck, but there's two people doing the fish in the street on top of it all. The pros are trained in identifying hazards and making the best possible decision based on potential consequences. Worst case, they're the ones that end up getting hurt. At least they're on the clock and covered by workers' comp and other insurance.
 
2012-08-26 06:21:31 PM  
Nice job dude. Street race and get people killed as a result. Do the honorable thing and kill yourself.
 
2012-08-26 06:24:40 PM  

Greek: Britney Spear's Speculum: You can be electrocuted an not die.

Uh, no, you can't. "Electrocution" is a portmanteau of "Electric" and "execution." The word means "killed by electricity." If you are killed by an electric shock, you have been electrocuted. If you receive an electric shock and don't die from it, you have been shocked. Not electrocuted.
Now, a lot of people misuse the word to refer to someone who wasn't killed by the electric shock they received, but that's not correct.


www.halloweenplayground.com


See also: Execution, appeal, and second execution
 
2012-08-26 06:26:25 PM  

BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.


Exactly!

fark anyone in the ass for doing that. We must crush this desire to help until it is wiped from the planet.

farking scurge.
 
2012-08-26 06:26:56 PM  
I'd rather that my taxes covered emergency services instead of billing the victims for the whole amount.
 
2012-08-26 06:28:20 PM  

ElLoco: Litig8r: BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.

I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.

Police are funded by tax dollars. EMS and emergency medical are private.


Nope.

La county funds ems through the department of health services. It's the same around here in the boonies...ems is provided through local fire services, which are a mix of paid and volunteer fire fighters , and they're all publicly funded. Sure there might be some ostensibly private ems providers, but I doubt you'll find one that isn't at least partly public funded.
 
2012-08-26 06:33:58 PM  
Fark the hospital system that will end up billing the families of the electrocuted:

1. $10,000 from driving ambulance to accident scene
2. $5,000 for unfolding the stretcher to place body upon
3. $3298 for testing for pulse
4. etc.
 
2012-08-26 06:39:54 PM  
If I see someone street racing or generally driving like an asshat and see them crash, I'm not gonna call anyone.
 
2012-08-26 06:45:56 PM  
"the family's of the two women who were killed"

almost as bad as electrocuted to death
 
2012-08-26 06:55:37 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Litig8r: BronyMedic: What submitter wants us to believe: The City of Los Angeles is billing the families of Good Samaritans for the damage caused by the driver who caused their death.
What is actually happening: They got a bill for EMS services from the city.

Non-story. Sorry.

I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.

We wouldn't have to pay like that if we had Universal Healthcare...


This. It boggles my mind that police and fire services are taxed but health care isn't. Though I'm sure if the GOP could have their way you'd have to pay for private police and fire departments.
 
2012-08-26 06:55:55 PM  

Litig8r: I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services. So in a case where someone is walking down the street and gets hit by a drunk driver, he pays for the cost of ems response and has to sue the drunk. But if I call the police because a drunk is breaking into my house, I don't pay.


Well, there's been this big push that "government should be run like a business." It's what gotten cops off the beat and running speed traps. It's what has publicly run fire and EMS billing for service. And things are just going to get worse. A small city might go on 10,000 ambulance calls in a year, but that doesn't stop the city council from making cuts in the department. But if the ambulance division can say "Our budget is $3,000,000, and we put $2,800,000 into the general fund through billing" it eases the pressure because in a city of 70,000-100,000 people $200,000 is negligible given the level of service provided.

As for why you're not billed for police investigations:
The theory is that the crime is committed against the state. When you sue the drunk driver, the case is Litig8r v DrunkDriver. When the junkie breaks into your house, it's State of ___________ v JunkieAsshole. You may be the victim of the crime, but the crime was committed against society. As a side note, you may have to sue the drunk driver to recover the ambulance charge, but you're still not paying for the police investigation that will result in the driver probably being arrested for DUI and possibly some type of assault charge. That investigation will probably provide a pile of evidence to be used in your civil case against the drunk.

Given your handle, though, I sort of suspect you knew all that already.
 
2012-08-26 06:56:26 PM  
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Huh. And all these years I thought Johnny Gage was a county employee.
 
2012-08-26 07:07:32 PM  
Litig8r I've always wondered about that...seems kind of odd that we pay taxes for public services and then have to pay if an accident happens and you need medical services. But not where you need police services

Actually, under California Law if you're pulled over for a DUI the cops bill you for hours spent on arresting you, + firefighters, or EMS if need be, of course the police in some cities call for "back-up" then double-bill you as an emergency case...not to exceed 12K
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