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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   You have a car, and I have a boot. Why the rageface?   (ajc.com) divider line 30
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2012-08-26 01:35:33 PM  
6 votes:
So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!
2012-08-26 02:32:45 PM  
3 votes:
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2012-08-26 01:21:30 PM  
3 votes:
Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.
2012-08-26 02:49:50 PM  
2 votes:

I'd add, basically the Minneapolis city council decided that car booting was impossible to regulate. Create a cheap, easy, and legal way to impound other peoples' property and a profit motive to the private entities that do it, this is invariably what you'll get. It's a bad thing. Sure, the car booting companies were upset when their businesses had to close. Guess how many tears were shed for them.

I actually found an article from the UofM student paper (which is generally not so great, BTW), which quotes a guy from Gopher Towing - once of the biggest towing companies in one of the most heavily towed-from areas in the city - saying that they had voluntarily quit booting several years before the practice was banned.

Gene Buell, owner of Gopher Towing, said he was one of the first people to get a booting license when the city began allowing the practice.

Gopher Towing never received a citation, but Buell said he stopped booting several years ago after unethical practices became common.

Often, businesses would boot too aggressively and even pay off lot owners for calling in vehicles that could be booted, he said.
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When a farking towing company stops a lucrative practice because they think the norm is unethical, you've got a problem.
2012-08-26 02:13:05 PM  
2 votes:
You don't have to make it illegal, just make it so it is the best possible experience for everyone involved.

Creative ideas include:
* Changing the city ordinance so that the boot companies can only charge the lot owner by the hour, and cannot get paid in fees for attaching boots.
* Require that the lot owner post a phone number on the sign, and if they don't answer the phone to make a decision on the case at hand the boot must be removed with no fee collected.
* Require that boot techs arrive at the vehicle in less than 30 minutes from the time the number on the boot is called or the fee is reduced at $1 per minute.
2012-08-26 02:07:59 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?
2012-08-26 01:04:36 PM  
2 votes:
Sounds like a job for Angle-Grinder Man!
2012-08-26 03:25:03 PM  
1 votes:

Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p


California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.
2012-08-26 03:06:32 PM  
1 votes:
fark boots and the farking companies that exploit the rules.

I paid 150 just last weekend. Where I parked and have parked before has no signs and no markings for a fire zone or anything.

asshole would only take the boot off if he kept my cell while we went to an atm.

that IS extortion
2012-08-26 03:06:03 PM  
1 votes:

Uisce Beatha: If a government is booting you, removing it would likely be illegal.

If a private company, like in TFA is booting you, I would think it is somewhat less clear, sooo...

Just sayin' 


They are doing under a city authority contract so it is the city booting you, they made sure of that when they had the contract written. The company are scumbags and should be drawn and quartered.
2012-08-26 02:49:05 PM  
1 votes:
It seems like putting a device on a car that makes it unsafe to operate should be illegal. Does the fact that it's done privately mean you can cut the damn thing off and there isn't shiat they can do? They could try to come after you for destruction of property but you could do the same to them.
2012-08-26 02:47:31 PM  
1 votes:
I am glad to live where I live. It is a small suburb between two large cities. It is rare that I can not find a parking spot. I was 22 before I ever had to put money into a parking meter. I have only ever had one parking ticket in my life, and that was because I ran out of gas one day.

I spent four months in Chicago, and hated the parking situation so much that when the chance came to move back here I jumped on it.

My problem with booting is that to me, the city shouldn't have the power to boot a car and then tow it for unpaid tickets (Parking Wars), or just for a minor parking infringement like in TFA. The car is private property. If it is towed because the driver was arrested, that is one thing, but here it just seems wrong.
2012-08-26 02:35:49 PM  
1 votes:
Minneapolis banned booting back in 2008. Much better since. Basically towing is more of a pain in the ass for you, but also for the towing company. Not as much danger of businesses exploiting the system with unclear signage, kickbacks, etc. You can't tow as fast as you can boot. Less profitable.
2012-08-26 02:33:49 PM  
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

Probably would be if it were not for all the warning signs spelling out what happens to non-patron parkers.

As indignant as we get about these things, we are smart enough to realize we were in the wrong,rolled the die anyway, and ended up with snake eyes.


Read the article and the comments, most lots are either not marked clearly or even marked at all, on quite a few lots the signs are rusted over where they can't be read.
2012-08-26 02:11:02 PM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: This just in: when you let private businesses extort people for money legally, they will do it as much as they can.


You are missing the point of the article, according to the city the businesses do not own the lots, this is the city that contracted the company to do the booting. What's insane is that they have marked spaces for certain shops so even if you do like the girl said in the article and start out in one shop but leave to go into another shop you are in violation and they will boot you, even if you go back and spend the rest of your time in the previous shop.

It has gotten that insane down here where we usually just valet the car, its cheaper than worrying about getting booted.
2012-08-26 02:02:06 PM  
1 votes:
This just in: when you let private businesses extort people for money legally, they will do it as much as they can.
2012-08-26 01:54:41 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


Nothing is labeled clearly, that's the problem. Private parking companies have been making this up as they go along and look for loopholes that allow them to get away with it.
2012-08-26 01:54:16 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."


Quite possible. It would have been nice for them to show a pic of it.

CSB: A friend of mine has his car towed last week for not having his parking pass visible. He was in his assigned parking spot with his normal vehicle which they have on record (so they could have compared his license plate and car description to their records instead of towing him). Despite California law, though, they did not have signs posted with the name and number of the towing company, nor did they give him a 72 hour notice.
2012-08-26 01:52:37 PM  
1 votes:
So don't park where you're not supposed to. I worked in downtown Denver for about 10 years I received about 5-6 tickets. Only one was BS but I was still technically in the wrong. I parked in front of a "driveway" of an old (100 year old plus) warehouse where the entrance had been bricked over and the building abandoned. I was told that a driveway is a driveway whether it's used or not.
2012-08-26 01:51:26 PM  
1 votes:

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.



You might want to RTFA because some people are having their cars booted when they're parked legally and are customers.

FTA...Cherokee County commissioners voted unanimously last year to ban the use of parking boots by private companies. That came after customers at an Acworth McDonald's said they were booted while inside the restaurant and had to pay a $500 release fee.
2012-08-26 01:49:09 PM  
1 votes:
Do you own the property you're parking on? No.

Did you pay to park on the property you're parking on? No.

Did you have permission to park on that property you're parking on? No.

Then why on earth would you think you have a right to take someone else's property for your own use?

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


The idea is that it serves as a deterrent to others planning on doing the same thing. Why would a business pay extra to provide parking spaces when they can just tell their customers to use the spaces provided and paid for by other businesses? Land isn't free and neither is building and upkeep on parking spaces.

If you want a real scam, there are some of the lots where you pay by folding your money and sticking it in a slot numbered the same as your parking space. Since there is no receipt, some of the less ethical lot owners will have you booted or towed because you can't prove you paid. They don't care if it negatively effects nearby businesses because they're strictly in the parking business. In tourist areas, they can get away with it because someone from out of town is going to pay to get their car back and won't bother to take anyone to court.
2012-08-26 01:47:57 PM  
1 votes:

steamingpile: We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.


Exactly and there is no penalty for an improperly booted car. You have to sue the property owner, and the boot company gets out of any liability.
2012-08-26 01:47:48 PM  
1 votes:
Like the man said in TFA, booting is kinder and gentler than towing. Cheaper, too.
2012-08-26 01:44:15 PM  
1 votes:

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


The problem.is the Atlanta city council, they wrote ordinances way too broad for these guys even when there was conflict of interest pointed out.

We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.
2012-08-26 01:43:41 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately. The argument isn't whether or not the offender behaved appropriately- we all concede that parking where you shouldn't is bad. The issue with what you were replying to is whether or not the fine is appropriate. If I say 'this is wrong, but the punishment is too severe' and you say 'yeah but it's wrong,' do you see the issue? We don't know what you're trying to convey.
2012-08-26 01:38:50 PM  
1 votes:
ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.
2012-08-26 01:34:21 PM  
1 votes:
Nima Patel, a 24-year-old Stockbridge resident, said she parked at the Starbucks lot on 14th Street, then decided she preferred a bagel at Einstein Bros. next door. She bought the bagel and then returned to Starbucks.

It was a few hours before she noticed the boot on her car. The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police.

"I told him I went right next door and came right back," Patel said. "This is just way too unfair. I feel bullied and deceived."

Should feel like a lying coont, instead.
2012-08-26 01:30:17 PM  
1 votes:
His lot, his rules. The guy's a jerk but that doesn't mean you should be a whiny biatch about it.
2012-08-26 01:29:58 PM  
1 votes:
OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn
2012-08-26 01:26:02 PM  
1 votes:

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.


I bet your teachers just loved all those apples you brought.
 
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