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2012-08-26 05:10:49 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: MyPoolLeaks: Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

That blog post wasn't going to write itself.

And YOU missed the part in the article where she said she went next door, came RIGHT BACK, and was patronizing her original destination the whole time, therefore not violating the policy. The technician used footage of her making a quick trip to get a bagel to justify his booting her car. HER CAR WAS NOT BOOTED BASED ON DURATION, it was the 'in and out' rule. It was aggressive, and a dick move.

/You were almost right though.. almost. Better luck next time.


Right, because people never exaggerate how much the 'big mean evil government that inconvenienced them' is being big, mean and evil while inconveniencing them.

Her statement comes down to "Yes, I broke the law, but the law inconveniences me so the law is wrong."
 
2012-08-26 05:12:56 PM

sbutler: Securitywyrm: You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

She went to Starbucks, left Starbucks to pop over to Einstein Bros for a couple minutes, brought her bagel back to Starbucks, and then spent several hours in the Starbucks.

So it was a Starbucks parking spot, she spent 95% of her time at Starbucks, but they booted her for the 5 minutes she left Starbucks to get something at Einstein Bros.

I bet you've done this. I've done this. There's a bistro I take my mother to on Mother's Day, and there's a flower shop next door. I park in the bistro only spots, get flowers first, then eat lunch at the bistro. I'd be pissed too if they towed/booted my car when I spent most of my time at the bistro.


Yes and these businesses are right beside each other with a service driveway only separating the two, I'm kind of shocked Starbucks would let her bring the bagel back into their store.
 
2012-08-26 05:14:41 PM

redTiburon: No one has answered the underlying riddle...

Why would anyone go to Atlanta?


Downtown sucks the midtown and north areas of the city are nice but stay out of downtown
 
2012-08-26 05:16:46 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: MyPoolLeaks: Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

That blog post wasn't going to write itself.

And YOU missed the part in the article where she said she went next door, came RIGHT BACK, and was patronizing her original destination the whole time, therefore not violating the policy. The technician used footage of her making a quick trip to get a bagel to justify his booting her car. HER CAR WAS NOT BOOTED BASED ON DURATION, it was the 'in and out' rule. It was aggressive, and a dick move.

/You were almost right though.. almost. Better luck next time.


And that went right over your head. Better luck next time.

/I knew she went back to Starbucks hence the hours to she spent there to only write a blog post.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:37 PM
Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?
 
2012-08-26 05:25:33 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: Langdon_777: TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

Let me elaborate, since you are clearly not the sharpest spoon in the drawer..

When any entity sets out to disguise their 'behavior taxation' profit model by mucking up the issues of liability and culpability, it is extortion. People aren't getting tickets and asked to pay within 30 days pending the results of any appeals.. they are assumed guilty until proven innocent, their car is booted, and they MUST pay money to gain access to THEIR vehicle again.

Bottle deposits and boots are both examples of 'behavior taxation'. They are involuntary schemes that FORCE the end user to pay FIRST, and there are no guarantees of that money being recouped. If the end user chooses to behave in an univested, lazy way, than they are forfeiting their rights to recouping the money they were forced to pay out in the beginning...

And what makes these behavior taxes work? NO ONE FIGHTS BACK. This is no different than issues of privacy, due process, or national security. If a large enough group doesnt buck the status quo, than slowly, the behavior taxes start piling up. No healthcare in 2015? That's a taxin...

It may seem like just a bottle deposit, or just a parking boot, or mandatory health care, but it's really grooming the future of taxation to offset the lack of tax base that was attributed to blue collar employers. The policy makers are passing the buck to joe shmoe, rather than placing tariffs on imports to force employers to come home.

Go ahead, call me crazy, tell me my tinfoi ...


'behavior taxation' profit model
Do you mind if I use that for my argument against excessive cigarette taxation?
It has a certain ring to it.
 
2012-08-26 05:29:31 PM

REO-Weedwagon: Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?


Yeah most likely and they were corrupt all through the 70s-80s, one of the few cities that had a mayor do time for corruption lately.

Its so bad they got the new Orleans police chief that was a step up!
 
2012-08-26 05:51:45 PM

REO-Weedwagon: Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?


I would have to go to Atlanta to confirm... but I think Houston is the worse of the pair, as far as atmosphere and city government.
 
2012-08-26 06:28:56 PM
LOL....amateurs!

www.aetv.com
 
2012-08-26 06:31:03 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: Langdon_777: TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

Let me elaborate, since you are clearly not the sharpest spoon in the drawer..

When any entity sets out to disguise their 'behavior taxation' profit model by mucking up the issues of liability and culpability, it is extortion. People aren't getting tickets and asked to pay within 30 days pending the results of any appeals.. they are assumed guilty until proven innocent, their car is booted, and they MUST pay money to gain access to THEIR vehicle again.

Bottle deposits and boots are both examples of 'behavior taxation'. They are involuntary schemes that FORCE the end user to pay FIRST, and there are no guarantees of that money being recouped. If the end user chooses to behave in an univested, lazy way, than they are forfeiting their rights to recouping the money they were forced to pay out in the beginning...

And what makes these behavior taxes work? NO ONE FIGHTS BACK. This is no different than issues of privacy, due process, or national security. If a large enough group doesnt buck the status quo, than slowly, the behavior taxes start piling up. No healthcare in 2015? That's a taxin...

It may seem like just a bottle deposit, or just a parking boot, or mandatory health care, but it's really grooming the future of taxation to offset the lack of tax base that was attributed to blue collar employers. The policy makers are passing the buck to joe shmoe, rather than placing tariffs on imports to force employers to come home.

Go ahead, call me crazy, tell me my tinfoi ...


My country has a carbon tax already,

If its too hard - think of the planet as a boat (maybe the Titanic) we are all on it together, start acting like a fellow passenger and not a ignorant wally.
 
2012-08-26 06:37:33 PM

Uisce Beatha: If a government is booting you, removing it would likely be illegal.

If a private company, like in TFA is booting you, I would think it is somewhat less clear, sooo...

Just sayin'


That was very interesting, thanks.

If it appears as if the boot would come off if the tire was deflated but you can't access the valve, you could simply puncture the tire between the treads, pop off the boot, change the tire and then have the puncture repaired for $10, or free if you bought it at a place that offers lifetime flat fix. That might take a few minutes though, be sure to move or hide the boot so it's not just sitting there while you change the tire.
 
2012-08-26 06:40:45 PM

redTiburon: No one has answered the underlying riddle...

Why would anyone go to Atlanta?


'Cuz it's a flight hub, for folks going to watch races at Talladega the next state over. And if you like watching planes, I'd recommend a couple hotels near the runways at ATL.

Other than that. I have no idea. Oh wait, the B-52s are a pretty good band.
 
2012-08-26 06:49:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: andyfromfl: This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately.

Welcome to Fark.jpeg


I know right? He should expect a certain amount of dumbasses responding to his posts.
 
2012-08-26 08:57:06 PM

rhiannon: Other than that. I have no idea. Oh wait, the B-52s are a pretty good band.


The last time I was in Atlanta was 1980. As it happens, that was the last time the B-52s were a good band.
 
2012-08-26 09:43:45 PM
The first boot that magically finds it's way onto a police car will be the last boot ever seen in the city. Just sayin'
 
2012-08-26 09:52:43 PM

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Came here for Angle Grinder Man.

Seriously, I'd NEVER pay to have a boot removed. They'd come back to a parking space with only their removed boot.


No, no... Of course you wouldn't.

/sighs
//the one place you can be anonymous and tell the truth
/and you don't
 
2012-08-26 09:57:06 PM
Three Atlanta boot stories.. all with the CSB seal of approval:

A co worker of mine parked in a lot across from a club and ran in for literally five minutes. Came back and the booter had just finished locking it onto his wheel. He pleaded with the guy.. let me give you 25 bucks to take it off... NOPE, 75 dollars... come on man, I was in there for five minutes, 30 bucks... 75 dollars.. if you don't pay by tomorrow at noon, we tow the car and it's 150. So my angry buddy hailed a cab to get some cash... then it dawned on him... Home Depot on Sidney Marcus had just gone to 24 hours... so the cabby took him there to buy some bolt cutters. The cab driver was so stoked that my buddy was going to cut off the boot, she shut off the meter when he was in Home Depot buying the bolt cutters. So, he went back to his car... cab driver blocked the view from the street with his cab and my buddy cut the boot off. He called the boot guy and said... "sorry for the attitude, I have your 75 bucks... meet me at my car" and rolled over and went to sleep.

Same guy several years later derped out and got booted again at a restaurant parking lot. This was after they passed the law that signs saying you couldn't park there had to be visible from every space. There were maybe two signs in the lot, and they were relatively visible, but there could be an argument if you ever went to court over it. Anyway, he asks me to pick him up so he can get his bolt cutters at home. Me "why aren't they in your car?" Friend "yeah, that would look good, a black man driving around with bolt cutters in the back of his car"... I couldn't leave, so another co worker went with him, with his tool kit. Good thing too, because these were new boots that needed a wrench AND bolt cutters to remove. So the two removed the boot and kept it this time. We spent all afternoon plotting what to do with it... throw it in the Chattahoochie... hold it for ransom.. when a lawyer friend told us to give it back because it was technically stolen property. So we called the guy on speaker phone from the office. We told him he booted the car illegally, blah blah blah... and the guy cussed us out, said pay him his money and told us "you loose pal!" Well, we called back and he sent us to voicemail where my buddy informed him he had the boot. So, two days later, he called the boot guy back and a VERY contrite voice on the other line said "hey man, can I get that boot back from you... they want to charge me $800 for losing it"... so my buddy left it in the lot where he got booted.

Final story... in Buckhead they boot cars in the Publix parking lot if you aren't shopping there... a friend of mine had a buddy get booted... as he was crouched down trying to figure out how to cut the boot off, the booting guy drives up and whips out a gun.. yells "get your farking hands off the boot"... so, my buddy dials 911. Booter gets arrested for assault, carrying an unlicensed firearm but was allowed to leave without charges being pressed because he agreed to remove the boot.
 
2012-08-27 01:38:56 AM

rebelyell2006: So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


The business owners are leasing space in prime districts from property management companies. The company that owns the land is hiring towing companies to boot cars, even when their tenants would prefer that customers be allowed to park for long periods of time.

The city council refuses to regulate this clusterfark. People get mad at the council and the council says "you need to talk to the owners," but I'm not seeing where they make the contact information for the property-owners available publicly so the customers go back to the business owners who refer them to the towing companies who refer them to the city council ....
 
2012-08-27 01:42:27 AM

DataShade: so the customers go back to the business owners who refer them to the towing companies who refer them to the city council ....



I should probably point out that this, more than our little Revolution, is what sounded the deathknell for the British Empire. People will put up with slavery, genocide, murder, and oppression of all sorts except unjust taxes and excessive bureaucracy.
 
2012-08-27 01:54:46 AM

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I was going to ask how hard is it to get a battery powered saws-all?
 
2012-08-27 10:23:45 AM

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


THIS... was my first thought as well.
 
2012-08-27 11:57:14 AM

kidsizedcoffin: mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.

Land mines are a much more efficient method.


Best CSI Miami EVAR!
 
2012-08-27 12:44:05 PM

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I was going to ask how hard is it to get a battery powered saws-all?


Pretty much this. I mean, it can't be illegal to cut an unwanted piece off of your car if installed by a private company working for a private company. I'd gladly pay 75 bucks to rent a sawzall or a cutting torch just to destroy their equipment. I'd also like to see the look on the boot man's face after that.
 
2012-08-27 02:03:25 PM
Get a booting license. Get approval to boot cars for a property owner who also contracts with another car booting service. Wait for the other car booting company to show up to boot cars. Of course they will not pay to park there while they are booting cars. BOOT THEM.
 
2012-08-27 08:22:39 PM
I have little sympathy for people who take calculated risks and lose.

I also dont want support people who consciously choose to make a living by being a parasite (booters).

The solution is generally an easy one: leave yourself more time to park further away.
 
2012-08-28 03:23:37 PM

rebelyell2006: jjorsett: Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.

Grow up.


Wow, what a counter argument! I bet you were at the top of your debate class.
 
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