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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   You have a car, and I have a boot. Why the rageface?   (ajc.com) divider line 126
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2012-08-26 12:51:07 PM  
I used to live at a house in Tucson near the University. On more than one occasion I found that some idiot UofA student had parked in my lot in front of the entrance to my house and couldn't give two shiats if they were parking in my spot (despite ample signage). I know because I confronted more than one of these idiots.

People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.
 
2012-08-26 01:04:36 PM  
Sounds like a job for Angle-Grinder Man!
 
2012-08-26 01:08:12 PM  
He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.
 
2012-08-26 01:08:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.


You wouldn't believe how many arguments and damn near fist fights I've seen over the parking lot at the apartment building I live in. It's always over the same two farking spots but the funniest thing is that there's no assigned parking here. It's a stupid parking spot,pick another place and get the fark over it.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:59 PM  
City Councilman Kwanza Hall

Yes
 
2012-08-26 01:11:31 PM  

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

This was the sentence immediately prior to the one you quoted. He doesn't own the parking deck. He owns a nearby restaurant.
 
2012-08-26 01:12:23 PM  

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


Those responsible for the bootings have been booted.
/Mind you those Møøse bites can be pretty nasty
 
2012-08-26 01:16:14 PM  
I'd like to see this down on a car with very little ground clearance or on a Jeep with some decent tires on it.

Maybe that's why I've never been booted...
 
2012-08-26 01:21:30 PM  
Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.
 
2012-08-26 01:23:41 PM  
So is this the trailer for the next season of Parking Wars?
 
2012-08-26 01:25:39 PM  
"I've had investors come to the restaurant and get booted," said Varasano, who said he planned to urge his landlord to end the practice. "It's crazy. It was almost every night for a while."

Hehe no wonder the county commissioners voted unanimously :D
 
2012-08-26 01:26:02 PM  

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.


I bet your teachers just loved all those apples you brought.
 
2012-08-26 01:27:23 PM  

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.


i29.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-26 01:29:05 PM  
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2012-08-26 01:29:58 PM  
OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn
 
2012-08-26 01:30:17 PM  
His lot, his rules. The guy's a jerk but that doesn't mean you should be a whiny biatch about it.
 
2012-08-26 01:30:29 PM  

WTFDYW: RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.

I bet your teachers just loved all those apples you brought.

 
2012-08-26 01:32:04 PM  
Every six or eight months, this becomes a huge issue in Atlanta.

I can understand some of the Buckhead rules because people will throw their cars anywhere. But, in a parking deck next to a bunch of shops/restaurants? That's rough.
 
2012-08-26 01:33:53 PM  
Hitching rails were so much easier.No room in front of the Longbranch?Just ride on in and tie up to the bar rail.
 
2012-08-26 01:34:21 PM  
Nima Patel, a 24-year-old Stockbridge resident, said she parked at the Starbucks lot on 14th Street, then decided she preferred a bagel at Einstein Bros. next door. She bought the bagel and then returned to Starbucks.

It was a few hours before she noticed the boot on her car. The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police.

"I told him I went right next door and came right back," Patel said. "This is just way too unfair. I feel bullied and deceived."

Should feel like a lying coont, instead.
 
2012-08-26 01:34:38 PM  
So glad that booting is illegal in my country.

And towing is almost unheard off. Police have the power to call a tow service and if you as a company or private citizen call a tow service for someone parking in your way, you have to pay. But you can get the fees back from the guy you had towed (yeah, good luck with that)
 
2012-08-26 01:35:10 PM  
I'd rather see the situation escalate to the point of violence, personally.
 
2012-08-26 01:35:33 PM  

cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn


They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.
 
2012-08-26 01:35:33 PM  
So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!
 
2012-08-26 01:38:50 PM  
ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.
 
2012-08-26 01:42:15 PM  

mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.


Land mines are a much more efficient method.
 
2012-08-26 01:43:10 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.
 
2012-08-26 01:43:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately. The argument isn't whether or not the offender behaved appropriately- we all concede that parking where you shouldn't is bad. The issue with what you were replying to is whether or not the fine is appropriate. If I say 'this is wrong, but the punishment is too severe' and you say 'yeah but it's wrong,' do you see the issue? We don't know what you're trying to convey.
 
2012-08-26 01:44:15 PM  

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


The problem.is the Atlanta city council, they wrote ordinances way too broad for these guys even when there was conflict of interest pointed out.

We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.
 
2012-08-26 01:46:31 PM  

mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.


Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."
 
2012-08-26 01:47:12 PM  

kidsizedcoffin: mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.

Land mines are a much more efficient method.


Not really. They blow holes in the lawn.
 
2012-08-26 01:47:14 PM  

andyfromfl: This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately.


Welcome to Fark.jpeg
 
2012-08-26 01:47:48 PM  
Like the man said in TFA, booting is kinder and gentler than towing. Cheaper, too.
 
2012-08-26 01:47:57 PM  

steamingpile: We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.


Exactly and there is no penalty for an improperly booted car. You have to sue the property owner, and the boot company gets out of any liability.
 
2012-08-26 01:48:44 PM  

RickN99: swift booting


Obscure political move?
 
2012-08-26 01:49:09 PM  
Do you own the property you're parking on? No.

Did you pay to park on the property you're parking on? No.

Did you have permission to park on that property you're parking on? No.

Then why on earth would you think you have a right to take someone else's property for your own use?

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


The idea is that it serves as a deterrent to others planning on doing the same thing. Why would a business pay extra to provide parking spaces when they can just tell their customers to use the spaces provided and paid for by other businesses? Land isn't free and neither is building and upkeep on parking spaces.

If you want a real scam, there are some of the lots where you pay by folding your money and sticking it in a slot numbered the same as your parking space. Since there is no receipt, some of the less ethical lot owners will have you booted or towed because you can't prove you paid. They don't care if it negatively effects nearby businesses because they're strictly in the parking business. In tourist areas, they can get away with it because someone from out of town is going to pay to get their car back and won't bother to take anyone to court.
 
2012-08-26 01:49:35 PM  
The goal is to protect the valuable parking spots for merchants who might otherwise see their spots occupied by noncustomers, several executives said.

Hey farkheads, if you make the car immobile, you block the space for a longer period of time.
 
2012-08-26 01:51:26 PM  

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.



You might want to RTFA because some people are having their cars booted when they're parked legally and are customers.

FTA...Cherokee County commissioners voted unanimously last year to ban the use of parking boots by private companies. That came after customers at an Acworth McDonald's said they were booted while inside the restaurant and had to pay a $500 release fee.
 
2012-08-26 01:52:28 PM  

andyfromfl: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately. The argument isn't whether or not the offender behaved appropriately- we all concede that parking where you shouldn't is bad. The issue with what you were replying to is whether or not the fine is appropriate. If I say 'this is wrong, but the punishment is too severe' and you say 'yeah but it's wrong,' do you see the issue? We don't know what you're trying to convey.


it happens everywhere. many people are just like "well don't do stuff wrong." i see it mostly in piracy threads. like a million dollar fine is appropriate. but yeah, the trick is just to blow past those people or ignore them, they really aren't adding anything.

/after all, they replied incorrectly, and should be shot in the head for lack of basic understanding.
 
2012-08-26 01:52:37 PM  
So don't park where you're not supposed to. I worked in downtown Denver for about 10 years I received about 5-6 tickets. Only one was BS but I was still technically in the wrong. I parked in front of a "driveway" of an old (100 year old plus) warehouse where the entrance had been bricked over and the building abandoned. I was told that a driveway is a driveway whether it's used or not.
 
2012-08-26 01:53:14 PM  

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


I came here for this. In what world is booting a better solution than towing?

/getting drunk and watching parallel parked cars get towed is the shiat
//they just jack the front tires up on little jacks with wheels and push the front end of the car into the street
///it literally takes under a minute from the time the tow-truck pulls up
 
2012-08-26 01:54:16 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."


Quite possible. It would have been nice for them to show a pic of it.

CSB: A friend of mine has his car towed last week for not having his parking pass visible. He was in his assigned parking spot with his normal vehicle which they have on record (so they could have compared his license plate and car description to their records instead of towing him). Despite California law, though, they did not have signs posted with the name and number of the towing company, nor did they give him a 72 hour notice.
 
2012-08-26 01:54:20 PM  
I remember a few years ago when cars with side-shooting flame throwers were legal in South Africa due to the escalation of violent carjacking in Johannesburg.
I wonder if those could be re-tooled a bit to automatically recognize an attempted booting?
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2012-08-26 01:54:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


Nothing is labeled clearly, that's the problem. Private parking companies have been making this up as they go along and look for loopholes that allow them to get away with it.
 
2012-08-26 01:58:22 PM  
You've got a car. I have a boot...let's make lots of money.
 
2012-08-26 01:58:32 PM  
Motorcycle parks where motorcycle wants.

Disc alarms and chained to the nearest anchor like a dirty hippie.

Bonus points if you use the bicycle rack!
 
2012-08-26 01:59:57 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I used to live at a house in Tucson near the University. On more than one occasion I found that some idiot UofA student had parked in my lot in front of the entrance to my house and couldn't give two shiats if they were parking in my spot (despite ample signage). I know because I confronted more than one of these idiots.

People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.


What do you expect from someone at UofA?
 
2012-08-26 02:02:06 PM  
This just in: when you let private businesses extort people for money legally, they will do it as much as they can.
 
2012-08-26 02:03:18 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: Hitching rails were so much easier.No room in front of the Longbranch?Just ride on in and tie up to the bar rail.


I don't think Miss Kitty would approve of your horse taking a dump in her saloon.
 
2012-08-26 02:03:38 PM  

GoldDude: I remember a few years ago when cars with side-shooting flame throwers were legal in South Africa due to the escalation of violent carjacking in Johannesburg.
I wonder if those could be re-tooled a bit to automatically recognize an attempted booting?
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Just get hydraulics/airbags and slam that sumbiatch to the ground when you park. Can't get a boot around the wheel.

Although you may come back to find your car on blocks...
 
2012-08-26 02:06:25 PM  
this is a problem without a decent solution.
 
2012-08-26 02:07:59 PM  
FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?
 
2012-08-26 02:09:59 PM  

PaLarkin: sweet-daddy-2: Hitching rails were so much easier.No room in front of the Longbranch?Just ride on in and tie up to the bar rail.

I don't think Miss Kitty would approve of your horse taking a dump in her saloon.


Spitoons? sp?
 
2012-08-26 02:11:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: This just in: when you let private businesses extort people for money legally, they will do it as much as they can.


You are missing the point of the article, according to the city the businesses do not own the lots, this is the city that contracted the company to do the booting. What's insane is that they have marked spaces for certain shops so even if you do like the girl said in the article and start out in one shop but leave to go into another shop you are in violation and they will boot you, even if you go back and spend the rest of your time in the previous shop.

It has gotten that insane down here where we usually just valet the car, its cheaper than worrying about getting booted.
 
2012-08-26 02:13:05 PM  
You don't have to make it illegal, just make it so it is the best possible experience for everyone involved.

Creative ideas include:
* Changing the city ordinance so that the boot companies can only charge the lot owner by the hour, and cannot get paid in fees for attaching boots.
* Require that the lot owner post a phone number on the sign, and if they don't answer the phone to make a decision on the case at hand the boot must be removed with no fee collected.
* Require that boot techs arrive at the vehicle in less than 30 minutes from the time the number on the boot is called or the fee is reduced at $1 per minute.
 
2012-08-26 02:14:45 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?


Those guys get paid per boot they put on, its got nothing to do with down economy its just assholes being huge assholes.

At one falcon game the company came around and towed/booted all those cars in accordance to weekday rules even though it was Sunday and there were no restrictions. Nothing ever came from it and the company kept the cash extorted.
 
2012-08-26 02:20:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."


Apparently the store is on the ground floor of a condo building. The parking deck spaces say "guest" or "R". They're supposed to use the "R" spots, but I can see how one would think R means reserved and guest is for customers.
 
2012-08-26 02:24:35 PM  

boomm: You don't have to make it illegal, just make it so it is the best possible experience for everyone involved.

Creative ideas include:
* Changing the city ordinance so that the boot companies can only charge the lot owner by the hour, and cannot get paid in fees for attaching boots.
* Require that the lot owner post a phone number on the sign, and if they don't answer the phone to make a decision on the case at hand the boot must be removed with no fee collected.
* Require that boot techs arrive at the vehicle in less than 30 minutes from the time the number on the boot is called or the fee is reduced at $1 per minute.


The answer to all those questions is that the city doesn't want it to change, they own the lots, they reap the rewards, the companies make sure the city council is in their pocket, and the owners of businesses have no recourse. They have even been caught booting in lots they don't own that some owners have had to hire off duty cops to keep them off their lots. Its a huge cluster fark down here since most owners tell he city council "we only get the suburbia people" and that's just a lie.
 
2012-08-26 02:27:08 PM  

cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn


Probably would be if it were not for all the warning signs spelling out what happens to non-patron parkers.

As indignant as we get about these things, we are smart enough to realize we were in the wrong,rolled the die anyway, and ended up with snake eyes.
 
2012-08-26 02:28:36 PM  

rebelyell2006: In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.


Ask not for whom the boot boots. It boots for thee.

I like the stories, of which there are apparently several, where the booted car isn't one someone needs on a daily basis, and they contrive to get the car back into their own garage with the boot still on it.
 
2012-08-26 02:32:45 PM  
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2012-08-26 02:33:41 PM  

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.


You've obviously never spent any time in Philadelphia.
 
2012-08-26 02:33:49 PM  

clowncar on fire: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

Probably would be if it were not for all the warning signs spelling out what happens to non-patron parkers.

As indignant as we get about these things, we are smart enough to realize we were in the wrong,rolled the die anyway, and ended up with snake eyes.


Read the article and the comments, most lots are either not marked clearly or even marked at all, on quite a few lots the signs are rusted over where they can't be read.
 
2012-08-26 02:35:49 PM  
Minneapolis banned booting back in 2008. Much better since. Basically towing is more of a pain in the ass for you, but also for the towing company. Not as much danger of businesses exploiting the system with unclear signage, kickbacks, etc. You can't tow as fast as you can boot. Less profitable.
 
2012-08-26 02:39:15 PM  

steamingpile: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

Those guys get paid per boot they put on, its got nothing to do with down economy its just assholes being huge assholes.

At one falcon game the company came around and towed/booted all those cars in accordance to weekday rules even though it was Sunday and there were no restrictions. Nothing ever came from it and the company kept the cash extorted.


Does Georgia have small claims court? Wouldn't it be worth a try? Take pictures of the enforcement signs maybe? Write the owner of the falcons and remind him that NFL games are expensive enough and that he should have a talk with the company?

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.
 
2012-08-26 02:44:28 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: steamingpile: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

Those guys get paid per boot they put on, its got nothing to do with down economy its just assholes being huge assholes.

At one falcon game the company came around and towed/booted all those cars in accordance to weekday rules even though it was Sunday and there were no restrictions. Nothing ever came from it and the company kept the cash extorted.

Does Georgia have small claims court? Wouldn't it be worth a try? Take pictures of the enforcement signs maybe? Write the owner of the falcons and remind him that NFL games are expensive enough and that he should have a talk with the company?

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.


There is very little recourse, the company has a $5 million dollar contract with the city and if you get a ticket you know who contest the ticket to?????...... The same farking company.

To sue you have to go through a long process involving the city and most people don't have that kind of money or time.
 
2012-08-26 02:44:38 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.


I thought the deposit was there so hobos would collect them. haven't seen a hobo with shopping cart full of cans since I was teenager probably.
/hobos won't get off the cardboard bed for less than $20 an hour these days.
 
2012-08-26 02:47:20 PM  

steamingpile: The answer to all those questions is that the city doesn't want it to change, they own the lots


No they don't. You're just making stuff up now. I know you hate Atlanta but resorting to making up stuff is weak.
 
2012-08-26 02:47:31 PM  
I am glad to live where I live. It is a small suburb between two large cities. It is rare that I can not find a parking spot. I was 22 before I ever had to put money into a parking meter. I have only ever had one parking ticket in my life, and that was because I ran out of gas one day.

I spent four months in Chicago, and hated the parking situation so much that when the chance came to move back here I jumped on it.

My problem with booting is that to me, the city shouldn't have the power to boot a car and then tow it for unpaid tickets (Parking Wars), or just for a minor parking infringement like in TFA. The car is private property. If it is towed because the driver was arrested, that is one thing, but here it just seems wrong.
 
2012-08-26 02:48:22 PM  
Clearly the employee didn't understand the concept of time machines. Duh.
 
2012-08-26 02:49:05 PM  
It seems like putting a device on a car that makes it unsafe to operate should be illegal. Does the fact that it's done privately mean you can cut the damn thing off and there isn't shiat they can do? They could try to come after you for destruction of property but you could do the same to them.
 
2012-08-26 02:49:50 PM  

I'd add, basically the Minneapolis city council decided that car booting was impossible to regulate. Create a cheap, easy, and legal way to impound other peoples' property and a profit motive to the private entities that do it, this is invariably what you'll get. It's a bad thing. Sure, the car booting companies were upset when their businesses had to close. Guess how many tears were shed for them.

I actually found an article from the UofM student paper (which is generally not so great, BTW), which quotes a guy from Gopher Towing - once of the biggest towing companies in one of the most heavily towed-from areas in the city - saying that they had voluntarily quit booting several years before the practice was banned.

Gene Buell, owner of Gopher Towing, said he was one of the first people to get a booting license when the city began allowing the practice.

Gopher Towing never received a citation, but Buell said he stopped booting several years ago after unethical practices became common.

Often, businesses would boot too aggressively and even pay off lot owners for calling in vehicles that could be booted, he said.
Link
When a farking towing company stops a lucrative practice because they think the norm is unethical, you've got a problem.
 
2012-08-26 02:52:36 PM  

steamingpile: Read the article and the comments, most lots are either not marked clearly or even marked at all, on quite a few lots the signs are rusted over where they can't be read.


If you can't see the sign, why would you assume by default it's your property to do with as you please? Do you own the property? No? Then don't park there. Why one earth do you think because you drive a car you're entitled to confiscate private property for your own use?


/Also you seem to not understand the difference between ParkAtlanta (not even mentioned in the article) which enforces street parking and booting on private property (regulated by the city but the parking spaces not owned by the city)
//Your hatred is blinding you
 
2012-08-26 02:57:01 PM  

EngineerAU: steamingpile: The answer to all those questions is that the city doesn't want it to change, they own the lots

No they don't. You're just making stuff up now. I know you hate Atlanta but resorting to making up stuff is weak.


They do own 90% of the lots downtown, go down there and check it out if you don't believe me, all the lots that say parkatlanta on them are city owned lots. Even places that have shops in them are controlled by the city, it was a price the developers paid to allow them to retrofit the buildings.

And I don't hate Atlanta, I just realize there is not much to do down there and there are tons of cities that are more fun and better run.
 
2012-08-26 02:58:11 PM  

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Came here for Angle Grinder Man.

Seriously, I'd NEVER pay to have a boot removed. They'd come back to a parking space with only their removed boot.
 
2012-08-26 02:59:22 PM  

EngineerAU: steamingpile: Read the article and the comments, most lots are either not marked clearly or even marked at all, on quite a few lots the signs are rusted over where they can't be read.

If you can't see the sign, why would you assume by default it's your property to do with as you please? Do you own the property? No? Then don't park there. Why one earth do you think because you drive a car you're entitled to confiscate private property for your own use?


/Also you seem to not understand the difference between ParkAtlanta (not even mentioned in the article) which enforces street parking and booting on private property (regulated by the city but the parking spaces not owned by the city)
//Your hatred is blinding you


Its obvious you don't travel downtown.much or either you are calling midtown or buckhead downtown(which they aren't)

You are wrong just admit it and move along.
 
2012-08-26 03:02:48 PM  
If a government is booting you, removing it would likely be illegal.

If a private company, like in TFA is booting you, I would think it is somewhat less clear, sooo...

Just sayin' 
 
2012-08-26 03:03:11 PM  

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.


Dude, Atlanta is f**ked up.

No way to get proof at 90% of the lots there. Every lot is designated to specific businesses in the area.
 
2012-08-26 03:06:03 PM  

Uisce Beatha: If a government is booting you, removing it would likely be illegal.

If a private company, like in TFA is booting you, I would think it is somewhat less clear, sooo...

Just sayin' 


They are doing under a city authority contract so it is the city booting you, they made sure of that when they had the contract written. The company are scumbags and should be drawn and quartered.
 
2012-08-26 03:06:32 PM  
fark boots and the farking companies that exploit the rules.

I paid 150 just last weekend. Where I parked and have parked before has no signs and no markings for a fire zone or anything.

asshole would only take the boot off if he kept my cell while we went to an atm.

that IS extortion
 
2012-08-26 03:09:39 PM  

Hobo Jr.: RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.

Dude, Atlanta is f**ked up.

No way to get proof at 90% of the lots there. Every lot is designated to specific businesses in the area.


The businesses have designated spots but if a customer does not go in that particular business they get booted, even if they do go in that establishment. Its mainly downtown where the city used to write tickets, once you get a little further north, I believe its peachtree battle rd for a local reference point there is no problem.
 
2012-08-26 03:12:19 PM  
Keep one of these in your trunk:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-26 03:12:22 PM  
Maybe these "Boot Companies" could expand their business, and take the load off the police, by booting people who park illegally in the handicap areas too.
 
2012-08-26 03:14:03 PM  
TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p
 
2012-08-26 03:17:11 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-26 03:25:03 PM  

Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p


California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.
 
2012-08-26 03:34:10 PM  

jjorsett: Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.


Grow up.
 
2012-08-26 03:34:44 PM  
Where have I heard this argument against obeying the rules before... oh right. It's the exact same argument smokers use for why it's okay for them to just toss their butts wherever, because "There's no convenient place so I'll just drop it here." "There's a trash can five feet that way." "Too far.'

Sounds like a bunch of entitled whiners parking in private lots and expecting to get away with it because "because."
 
2012-08-26 03:37:14 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?


You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.
 
2012-08-26 03:39:04 PM  

jjorsett: Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.


Ok thats just wrong.

I live in South Australia which was a pioneer of deposits (recently raising the rates from 5c to 10c - mostly because of the cost of glass). All it takes is a to drive across a border and see the difference in litter to know its a damn good idea - besides I finally cleaned out my garage this week and got over $250 (yes we probably drink too much and don't recycle enough :p).

Personally I think all 'bonus' community activities ought to be paid for via 'bad money' (fines etc) and all essential services funded via 'clean money' (general taxation) - no essential service should ever be funded via 'bad money'!

'Bad money' is for things like fireworks and limousines *imp*
 
2012-08-26 03:40:49 PM  

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Came here for Angle Grinder Man.

Seriously, I'd NEVER pay to have a boot removed. They'd come back to a parking space with only their removed boot.


Fines for tampering with a boot are much higher than fees to have one removed. Those things aren't cheap.
 
2012-08-26 04:04:54 PM  

Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.


That blog post wasn't going to write itself.
 
2012-08-26 04:13:15 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Fines for tampering with a boot are much higher than fees to have one removed.


Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense!

encrypted-tbn3.google.com
 
2012-08-26 04:20:03 PM  

Securitywyrm: You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.


She went to Starbucks, left Starbucks to pop over to Einstein Bros for a couple minutes, brought her bagel back to Starbucks, and then spent several hours in the Starbucks.

So it was a Starbucks parking spot, she spent 95% of her time at Starbucks, but they booted her for the 5 minutes she left Starbucks to get something at Einstein Bros.

I bet you've done this. I've done this. There's a bistro I take my mother to on Mother's Day, and there's a flower shop next door. I park in the bistro only spots, get flowers first, then eat lunch at the bistro. I'd be pissed too if they towed/booted my car when I spent most of my time at the bistro.
 
2012-08-26 04:23:37 PM  
products.wackerneuson.com

FYI, you can rent these.
 
2012-08-26 04:29:03 PM  

Langdon_777: TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p


Let me elaborate, since you are clearly not the sharpest spoon in the drawer..

When any entity sets out to disguise their 'behavior taxation' profit model by mucking up the issues of liability and culpability, it is extortion. People aren't getting tickets and asked to pay within 30 days pending the results of any appeals.. they are assumed guilty until proven innocent, their car is booted, and they MUST pay money to gain access to THEIR vehicle again.

Bottle deposits and boots are both examples of 'behavior taxation'. They are involuntary schemes that FORCE the end user to pay FIRST, and there are no guarantees of that money being recouped. If the end user chooses to behave in an univested, lazy way, than they are forfeiting their rights to recouping the money they were forced to pay out in the beginning...

And what makes these behavior taxes work? NO ONE FIGHTS BACK. This is no different than issues of privacy, due process, or national security. If a large enough group doesnt buck the status quo, than slowly, the behavior taxes start piling up. No healthcare in 2015? That's a taxin...

It may seem like just a bottle deposit, or just a parking boot, or mandatory health care, but it's really grooming the future of taxation to offset the lack of tax base that was attributed to blue collar employers. The policy makers are passing the buck to joe shmoe, rather than placing tariffs on imports to force employers to come home.

Go ahead, call me crazy, tell me my tinfoil hat looks nice. But when you have to pay carbon taxes 10 years from now, you can thank your inaction today for allowing our nation to drift to a place where something like carbon taxing is even fathomable, let alone appropriate.
 
2012-08-26 04:50:27 PM  

MyPoolLeaks: Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

That blog post wasn't going to write itself.


And YOU missed the part in the article where she said she went next door, came RIGHT BACK, and was patronizing her original destination the whole time, therefore not violating the policy. The technician used footage of her making a quick trip to get a bagel to justify his booting her car. HER CAR WAS NOT BOOTED BASED ON DURATION, it was the 'in and out' rule. It was aggressive, and a dick move.

/You were almost right though.. almost. Better luck next time.
 
2012-08-26 05:01:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Patel


says it all
 
2012-08-26 05:06:37 PM  

sbutler: Securitywyrm: You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

She went to Starbucks, left Starbucks to pop over to Einstein Bros for a couple minutes, brought her bagel back to Starbucks, and then spent several hours in the Starbucks.

So it was a Starbucks parking spot, she spent 95% of her time at Starbucks, but they booted her for the 5 minutes she left Starbucks to get something at Einstein Bros.

I bet you've done this. I've done this. There's a bistro I take my mother to on Mother's Day, and there's a flower shop next door. I park in the bistro only spots, get flowers first, then eat lunch at the bistro. I'd be pissed too if they towed/booted my car when I spent most of my time at the bistro.


So you're saying that she spent several hours at Starbucks, and was ticketed because she made a 'quick trip' to a bagel store nearby? I'm going to call bullshiat on those being her only stops.
 
2012-08-26 05:08:36 PM  
No one has answered the underlying riddle...

Why would anyone go to Atlanta?
 
2012-08-26 05:10:49 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: MyPoolLeaks: Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

That blog post wasn't going to write itself.

And YOU missed the part in the article where she said she went next door, came RIGHT BACK, and was patronizing her original destination the whole time, therefore not violating the policy. The technician used footage of her making a quick trip to get a bagel to justify his booting her car. HER CAR WAS NOT BOOTED BASED ON DURATION, it was the 'in and out' rule. It was aggressive, and a dick move.

/You were almost right though.. almost. Better luck next time.


Right, because people never exaggerate how much the 'big mean evil government that inconvenienced them' is being big, mean and evil while inconveniencing them.

Her statement comes down to "Yes, I broke the law, but the law inconveniences me so the law is wrong."
 
2012-08-26 05:12:56 PM  

sbutler: Securitywyrm: You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

She went to Starbucks, left Starbucks to pop over to Einstein Bros for a couple minutes, brought her bagel back to Starbucks, and then spent several hours in the Starbucks.

So it was a Starbucks parking spot, she spent 95% of her time at Starbucks, but they booted her for the 5 minutes she left Starbucks to get something at Einstein Bros.

I bet you've done this. I've done this. There's a bistro I take my mother to on Mother's Day, and there's a flower shop next door. I park in the bistro only spots, get flowers first, then eat lunch at the bistro. I'd be pissed too if they towed/booted my car when I spent most of my time at the bistro.


Yes and these businesses are right beside each other with a service driveway only separating the two, I'm kind of shocked Starbucks would let her bring the bagel back into their store.
 
2012-08-26 05:14:41 PM  

redTiburon: No one has answered the underlying riddle...

Why would anyone go to Atlanta?


Downtown sucks the midtown and north areas of the city are nice but stay out of downtown
 
2012-08-26 05:16:46 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: MyPoolLeaks: Securitywyrm: TiiiMMMaHHH: FTFA; "...The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police."

That's not enforcing deterrents for non-patron extended parking, that's trolling for cash in a down-economy. Aggressive, yet legal. It's trolling basically. Except a successful troll here equals $75.

which begs the question: How can I apply this masterful technique to the internet?

You missed the part in the article, "It was several hours before she noticed the boot." She was away for SEVERAL HOURS.

That blog post wasn't going to write itself.

And YOU missed the part in the article where she said she went next door, came RIGHT BACK, and was patronizing her original destination the whole time, therefore not violating the policy. The technician used footage of her making a quick trip to get a bagel to justify his booting her car. HER CAR WAS NOT BOOTED BASED ON DURATION, it was the 'in and out' rule. It was aggressive, and a dick move.

/You were almost right though.. almost. Better luck next time.


And that went right over your head. Better luck next time.

/I knew she went back to Starbucks hence the hours to she spent there to only write a blog post.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:37 PM  
Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?
 
2012-08-26 05:25:33 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: Langdon_777: TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

Let me elaborate, since you are clearly not the sharpest spoon in the drawer..

When any entity sets out to disguise their 'behavior taxation' profit model by mucking up the issues of liability and culpability, it is extortion. People aren't getting tickets and asked to pay within 30 days pending the results of any appeals.. they are assumed guilty until proven innocent, their car is booted, and they MUST pay money to gain access to THEIR vehicle again.

Bottle deposits and boots are both examples of 'behavior taxation'. They are involuntary schemes that FORCE the end user to pay FIRST, and there are no guarantees of that money being recouped. If the end user chooses to behave in an univested, lazy way, than they are forfeiting their rights to recouping the money they were forced to pay out in the beginning...

And what makes these behavior taxes work? NO ONE FIGHTS BACK. This is no different than issues of privacy, due process, or national security. If a large enough group doesnt buck the status quo, than slowly, the behavior taxes start piling up. No healthcare in 2015? That's a taxin...

It may seem like just a bottle deposit, or just a parking boot, or mandatory health care, but it's really grooming the future of taxation to offset the lack of tax base that was attributed to blue collar employers. The policy makers are passing the buck to joe shmoe, rather than placing tariffs on imports to force employers to come home.

Go ahead, call me crazy, tell me my tinfoi ...


'behavior taxation' profit model
Do you mind if I use that for my argument against excessive cigarette taxation?
It has a certain ring to it.
 
2012-08-26 05:29:31 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?


Yeah most likely and they were corrupt all through the 70s-80s, one of the few cities that had a mayor do time for corruption lately.

Its so bad they got the new Orleans police chief that was a step up!
 
2012-08-26 05:51:45 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Is there a sh*ttier big city in America than Atlanta...Houston maybe?


I would have to go to Atlanta to confirm... but I think Houston is the worse of the pair, as far as atmosphere and city government.
 
2012-08-26 06:28:56 PM  
LOL....amateurs!

www.aetv.com
 
2012-08-26 06:31:03 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: Langdon_777: TiiiMMMaHHH:

Maybe I'm too naive, and it really is as simple as the concept behind bottle deposits: Charge everyone, and hope they are too lazy to try to get their money back.

Ummm no.

The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

Let me elaborate, since you are clearly not the sharpest spoon in the drawer..

When any entity sets out to disguise their 'behavior taxation' profit model by mucking up the issues of liability and culpability, it is extortion. People aren't getting tickets and asked to pay within 30 days pending the results of any appeals.. they are assumed guilty until proven innocent, their car is booted, and they MUST pay money to gain access to THEIR vehicle again.

Bottle deposits and boots are both examples of 'behavior taxation'. They are involuntary schemes that FORCE the end user to pay FIRST, and there are no guarantees of that money being recouped. If the end user chooses to behave in an univested, lazy way, than they are forfeiting their rights to recouping the money they were forced to pay out in the beginning...

And what makes these behavior taxes work? NO ONE FIGHTS BACK. This is no different than issues of privacy, due process, or national security. If a large enough group doesnt buck the status quo, than slowly, the behavior taxes start piling up. No healthcare in 2015? That's a taxin...

It may seem like just a bottle deposit, or just a parking boot, or mandatory health care, but it's really grooming the future of taxation to offset the lack of tax base that was attributed to blue collar employers. The policy makers are passing the buck to joe shmoe, rather than placing tariffs on imports to force employers to come home.

Go ahead, call me crazy, tell me my tinfoi ...


My country has a carbon tax already,

If its too hard - think of the planet as a boat (maybe the Titanic) we are all on it together, start acting like a fellow passenger and not a ignorant wally.
 
2012-08-26 06:37:33 PM  

Uisce Beatha: If a government is booting you, removing it would likely be illegal.

If a private company, like in TFA is booting you, I would think it is somewhat less clear, sooo...

Just sayin'


That was very interesting, thanks.

If it appears as if the boot would come off if the tire was deflated but you can't access the valve, you could simply puncture the tire between the treads, pop off the boot, change the tire and then have the puncture repaired for $10, or free if you bought it at a place that offers lifetime flat fix. That might take a few minutes though, be sure to move or hide the boot so it's not just sitting there while you change the tire.
 
2012-08-26 06:40:45 PM  

redTiburon: No one has answered the underlying riddle...

Why would anyone go to Atlanta?


'Cuz it's a flight hub, for folks going to watch races at Talladega the next state over. And if you like watching planes, I'd recommend a couple hotels near the runways at ATL.

Other than that. I have no idea. Oh wait, the B-52s are a pretty good band.
 
2012-08-26 06:49:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: andyfromfl: This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately.

Welcome to Fark.jpeg


I know right? He should expect a certain amount of dumbasses responding to his posts.
 
2012-08-26 08:57:06 PM  

rhiannon: Other than that. I have no idea. Oh wait, the B-52s are a pretty good band.


The last time I was in Atlanta was 1980. As it happens, that was the last time the B-52s were a good band.
 
2012-08-26 09:43:45 PM  
The first boot that magically finds it's way onto a police car will be the last boot ever seen in the city. Just sayin'
 
2012-08-26 09:52:43 PM  

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Came here for Angle Grinder Man.

Seriously, I'd NEVER pay to have a boot removed. They'd come back to a parking space with only their removed boot.


No, no... Of course you wouldn't.

/sighs
//the one place you can be anonymous and tell the truth
/and you don't
 
2012-08-26 09:57:06 PM  
Three Atlanta boot stories.. all with the CSB seal of approval:

A co worker of mine parked in a lot across from a club and ran in for literally five minutes. Came back and the booter had just finished locking it onto his wheel. He pleaded with the guy.. let me give you 25 bucks to take it off... NOPE, 75 dollars... come on man, I was in there for five minutes, 30 bucks... 75 dollars.. if you don't pay by tomorrow at noon, we tow the car and it's 150. So my angry buddy hailed a cab to get some cash... then it dawned on him... Home Depot on Sidney Marcus had just gone to 24 hours... so the cabby took him there to buy some bolt cutters. The cab driver was so stoked that my buddy was going to cut off the boot, she shut off the meter when he was in Home Depot buying the bolt cutters. So, he went back to his car... cab driver blocked the view from the street with his cab and my buddy cut the boot off. He called the boot guy and said... "sorry for the attitude, I have your 75 bucks... meet me at my car" and rolled over and went to sleep.

Same guy several years later derped out and got booted again at a restaurant parking lot. This was after they passed the law that signs saying you couldn't park there had to be visible from every space. There were maybe two signs in the lot, and they were relatively visible, but there could be an argument if you ever went to court over it. Anyway, he asks me to pick him up so he can get his bolt cutters at home. Me "why aren't they in your car?" Friend "yeah, that would look good, a black man driving around with bolt cutters in the back of his car"... I couldn't leave, so another co worker went with him, with his tool kit. Good thing too, because these were new boots that needed a wrench AND bolt cutters to remove. So the two removed the boot and kept it this time. We spent all afternoon plotting what to do with it... throw it in the Chattahoochie... hold it for ransom.. when a lawyer friend told us to give it back because it was technically stolen property. So we called the guy on speaker phone from the office. We told him he booted the car illegally, blah blah blah... and the guy cussed us out, said pay him his money and told us "you loose pal!" Well, we called back and he sent us to voicemail where my buddy informed him he had the boot. So, two days later, he called the boot guy back and a VERY contrite voice on the other line said "hey man, can I get that boot back from you... they want to charge me $800 for losing it"... so my buddy left it in the lot where he got booted.

Final story... in Buckhead they boot cars in the Publix parking lot if you aren't shopping there... a friend of mine had a buddy get booted... as he was crouched down trying to figure out how to cut the boot off, the booting guy drives up and whips out a gun.. yells "get your farking hands off the boot"... so, my buddy dials 911. Booter gets arrested for assault, carrying an unlicensed firearm but was allowed to leave without charges being pressed because he agreed to remove the boot.
 
2012-08-27 01:38:56 AM  

rebelyell2006: So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


The business owners are leasing space in prime districts from property management companies. The company that owns the land is hiring towing companies to boot cars, even when their tenants would prefer that customers be allowed to park for long periods of time.

The city council refuses to regulate this clusterfark. People get mad at the council and the council says "you need to talk to the owners," but I'm not seeing where they make the contact information for the property-owners available publicly so the customers go back to the business owners who refer them to the towing companies who refer them to the city council ....
 
2012-08-27 01:42:27 AM  

DataShade: so the customers go back to the business owners who refer them to the towing companies who refer them to the city council ....



I should probably point out that this, more than our little Revolution, is what sounded the deathknell for the British Empire. People will put up with slavery, genocide, murder, and oppression of all sorts except unjust taxes and excessive bureaucracy.
 
2012-08-27 01:54:46 AM  

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I was going to ask how hard is it to get a battery powered saws-all?
 
2012-08-27 10:23:45 AM  

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


THIS... was my first thought as well.
 
2012-08-27 11:57:14 AM  

kidsizedcoffin: mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.

Land mines are a much more efficient method.


Best CSI Miami EVAR!
 
2012-08-27 12:44:05 PM  

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I was going to ask how hard is it to get a battery powered saws-all?


Pretty much this. I mean, it can't be illegal to cut an unwanted piece off of your car if installed by a private company working for a private company. I'd gladly pay 75 bucks to rent a sawzall or a cutting torch just to destroy their equipment. I'd also like to see the look on the boot man's face after that.
 
2012-08-27 02:03:25 PM  
Get a booting license. Get approval to boot cars for a property owner who also contracts with another car booting service. Wait for the other car booting company to show up to boot cars. Of course they will not pay to park there while they are booting cars. BOOT THEM.
 
2012-08-27 08:22:39 PM  
I have little sympathy for people who take calculated risks and lose.

I also dont want support people who consciously choose to make a living by being a parasite (booters).

The solution is generally an easy one: leave yourself more time to park further away.
 
2012-08-28 03:23:37 PM  

rebelyell2006: jjorsett: Langdon_777: The concept of bottle deposits is to minimise landfill and maximise recycling - but you can believe this little hunk of rock has infinite resources for an expanding population if you really like, I will though consider you a little slow.... I'd like to wink, but I just cannot bring myself too :p

California has a fairly high deposit fee, and the legislature takes the unredeemed funds (people tossing the bottles and cans in normal waste or into recycling bins) and spends it on General Fund stuff. When the recession hit a lot more people started redeeming their deposits and funds available for stealing reassigning dropped. So now there are calls to raise the deposit amounts to bring the deposit pool back to where they can steal reassign the amounts they're used to having. So at least in one case, the point of deposits is to fund government.

Grow up.


Wow, what a counter argument! I bet you were at the top of your debate class.
 
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