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2012-08-26 12:51:07 PM
I used to live at a house in Tucson near the University. On more than one occasion I found that some idiot UofA student had parked in my lot in front of the entrance to my house and couldn't give two shiats if they were parking in my spot (despite ample signage). I know because I confronted more than one of these idiots.

People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.
 
2012-08-26 01:04:36 PM
Sounds like a job for Angle-Grinder Man!
 
2012-08-26 01:08:12 PM
He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.
 
2012-08-26 01:08:48 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.


You wouldn't believe how many arguments and damn near fist fights I've seen over the parking lot at the apartment building I live in. It's always over the same two farking spots but the funniest thing is that there's no assigned parking here. It's a stupid parking spot,pick another place and get the fark over it.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:59 PM
City Councilman Kwanza Hall

Yes
 
2012-08-26 01:11:31 PM

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

This was the sentence immediately prior to the one you quoted. He doesn't own the parking deck. He owns a nearby restaurant.
 
2012-08-26 01:12:23 PM

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


Those responsible for the bootings have been booted.
/Mind you those Møøse bites can be pretty nasty
 
2012-08-26 01:16:14 PM
I'd like to see this down on a car with very little ground clearance or on a Jeep with some decent tires on it.

Maybe that's why I've never been booted...
 
2012-08-26 01:21:30 PM
Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.
 
2012-08-26 01:23:41 PM
So is this the trailer for the next season of Parking Wars?
 
2012-08-26 01:25:39 PM
"I've had investors come to the restaurant and get booted," said Varasano, who said he planned to urge his landlord to end the practice. "It's crazy. It was almost every night for a while."

Hehe no wonder the county commissioners voted unanimously :D
 
2012-08-26 01:26:02 PM

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.


I bet your teachers just loved all those apples you brought.
 
2012-08-26 01:27:23 PM

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.


i29.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-26 01:29:05 PM
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2012-08-26 01:29:58 PM
OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn
 
2012-08-26 01:30:17 PM
His lot, his rules. The guy's a jerk but that doesn't mean you should be a whiny biatch about it.
 
2012-08-26 01:30:29 PM

WTFDYW: RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.

I bet your teachers just loved all those apples you brought.

 
2012-08-26 01:32:04 PM
Every six or eight months, this becomes a huge issue in Atlanta.

I can understand some of the Buckhead rules because people will throw their cars anywhere. But, in a parking deck next to a bunch of shops/restaurants? That's rough.
 
2012-08-26 01:33:53 PM
Hitching rails were so much easier.No room in front of the Longbranch?Just ride on in and tie up to the bar rail.
 
2012-08-26 01:34:21 PM
Nima Patel, a 24-year-old Stockbridge resident, said she parked at the Starbucks lot on 14th Street, then decided she preferred a bagel at Einstein Bros. next door. She bought the bagel and then returned to Starbucks.

It was a few hours before she noticed the boot on her car. The parking technician had taken video footage of Patel as she left the lot, and said it was a violation of the "in and out" policy. He didn't budge on the $75 fee, even when Patel called the police.

"I told him I went right next door and came right back," Patel said. "This is just way too unfair. I feel bullied and deceived."

Should feel like a lying coont, instead.
 
2012-08-26 01:34:38 PM
So glad that booting is illegal in my country.

And towing is almost unheard off. Police have the power to call a tow service and if you as a company or private citizen call a tow service for someone parking in your way, you have to pay. But you can get the fees back from the guy you had towed (yeah, good luck with that)
 
2012-08-26 01:35:10 PM
I'd rather see the situation escalate to the point of violence, personally.
 
2012-08-26 01:35:33 PM

cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn


They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.
 
2012-08-26 01:35:33 PM
So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!
 
2012-08-26 01:38:50 PM
ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.
 
2012-08-26 01:42:15 PM

mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.


Land mines are a much more efficient method.
 
2012-08-26 01:43:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.
 
2012-08-26 01:43:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately. The argument isn't whether or not the offender behaved appropriately- we all concede that parking where you shouldn't is bad. The issue with what you were replying to is whether or not the fine is appropriate. If I say 'this is wrong, but the punishment is too severe' and you say 'yeah but it's wrong,' do you see the issue? We don't know what you're trying to convey.
 
2012-08-26 01:44:15 PM

rebelyell2006: He has endured tirades from customers and dished out a few in the direction of the booting technician. In four cases, he paid for boots to be removed from customers' vehicles. He was booted himself.

So the booting companies are booting without request from the owners of the parking lots? At least here in Texas a vehicle will only be towed if either the police or the owner of the parking lot calls a towing company.


The problem.is the Atlanta city council, they wrote ordinances way too broad for these guys even when there was conflict of interest pointed out.

We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.
 
2012-08-26 01:46:31 PM

mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.


Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."
 
2012-08-26 01:47:12 PM

kidsizedcoffin: mciann: ok no. Your private contractual relationship ends where impounding and detaining a third party begins.

Unless I can pay snipers to gib you if you set foot on my lawn.

Land mines are a much more efficient method.


Not really. They blow holes in the lawn.
 
2012-08-26 01:47:14 PM

andyfromfl: This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately.


Welcome to Fark.jpeg
 
2012-08-26 01:47:48 PM
Like the man said in TFA, booting is kinder and gentler than towing. Cheaper, too.
 
2012-08-26 01:47:57 PM

steamingpile: We have had guys get vans/trucks booted even if the building owner told them where to park, there is no leeway in the ordinance at all and that us the problem.


Exactly and there is no penalty for an improperly booted car. You have to sue the property owner, and the boot company gets out of any liability.
 
2012-08-26 01:48:44 PM

RickN99: swift booting


Obscure political move?
 
2012-08-26 01:49:09 PM
Do you own the property you're parking on? No.

Did you pay to park on the property you're parking on? No.

Did you have permission to park on that property you're parking on? No.

Then why on earth would you think you have a right to take someone else's property for your own use?

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


The idea is that it serves as a deterrent to others planning on doing the same thing. Why would a business pay extra to provide parking spaces when they can just tell their customers to use the spaces provided and paid for by other businesses? Land isn't free and neither is building and upkeep on parking spaces.

If you want a real scam, there are some of the lots where you pay by folding your money and sticking it in a slot numbered the same as your parking space. Since there is no receipt, some of the less ethical lot owners will have you booted or towed because you can't prove you paid. They don't care if it negatively effects nearby businesses because they're strictly in the parking business. In tourist areas, they can get away with it because someone from out of town is going to pay to get their car back and won't bother to take anyone to court.
 
2012-08-26 01:49:35 PM
The goal is to protect the valuable parking spots for merchants who might otherwise see their spots occupied by noncustomers, several executives said.

Hey farkheads, if you make the car immobile, you block the space for a longer period of time.
 
2012-08-26 01:51:26 PM

RareChimer: Pro-Tip: If you don't want to receive traffic citations, parking tickets, go to jail, have your car booted, or any other official form of punishment, don't break the official rules.

No, you're not being hip and rebellious when you park in a spot you're not supposed to. You're just rolling the dice to see if you get to pay someone else some money for no additional benefit to yourself. Buy the permit, park in the right spot, save yourself some time and money.



You might want to RTFA because some people are having their cars booted when they're parked legally and are customers.

FTA...Cherokee County commissioners voted unanimously last year to ban the use of parking boots by private companies. That came after customers at an Acworth McDonald's said they were booted while inside the restaurant and had to pay a $500 release fee.
 
2012-08-26 01:52:28 PM

andyfromfl: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

This seems to be happening a lot on this site lately. The argument isn't whether or not the offender behaved appropriately- we all concede that parking where you shouldn't is bad. The issue with what you were replying to is whether or not the fine is appropriate. If I say 'this is wrong, but the punishment is too severe' and you say 'yeah but it's wrong,' do you see the issue? We don't know what you're trying to convey.


it happens everywhere. many people are just like "well don't do stuff wrong." i see it mostly in piracy threads. like a million dollar fine is appropriate. but yeah, the trick is just to blow past those people or ignore them, they really aren't adding anything.

/after all, they replied incorrectly, and should be shot in the head for lack of basic understanding.
 
2012-08-26 01:52:37 PM
So don't park where you're not supposed to. I worked in downtown Denver for about 10 years I received about 5-6 tickets. Only one was BS but I was still technically in the wrong. I parked in front of a "driveway" of an old (100 year old plus) warehouse where the entrance had been bricked over and the building abandoned. I was told that a driveway is a driveway whether it's used or not.
 
2012-08-26 01:53:14 PM

rosonowski: So the problem is that cars are taking up spots in lots for places they're not patronizing...
... so the solution is to immobilize those vehicles, assuring they take up the spot for much longer?
Brilliant!


I came here for this. In what world is booting a better solution than towing?

/getting drunk and watching parallel parked cars get towed is the shiat
//they just jack the front tires up on little jacks with wheels and push the front end of the car into the street
///it literally takes under a minute from the time the tow-truck pulls up
 
2012-08-26 01:54:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: mgshamster: The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.

FTA: Jeff Varasano, owner of Varasano's Pizzeria, said unclear signs and swift booting in the nearby parking deck have caused big headaches.

Weird how they didn't think to include the actual text of said "unclear" signs in TFA, don't you think? This is more of an issue of people either not knowing how to comprehend what they're reading, or just not giving a shiat because "I'll only be a minute."


Quite possible. It would have been nice for them to show a pic of it.

CSB: A friend of mine has his car towed last week for not having his parking pass visible. He was in his assigned parking spot with his normal vehicle which they have on record (so they could have compared his license plate and car description to their records instead of towing him). Despite California law, though, they did not have signs posted with the name and number of the towing company, nor did they give him a 72 hour notice.
 
2012-08-26 01:54:20 PM
I remember a few years ago when cars with side-shooting flame throwers were legal in South Africa due to the escalation of violent carjacking in Johannesburg.
I wonder if those could be re-tooled a bit to automatically recognize an attempted booting?
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2012-08-26 01:54:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: cig-mkr: OK, if I park on private property they can have me booted because I'm actually trespassing, but they can detain and "fine" me too? I would think it should be a police matter, they are actually holding my car for ransom. Isn't that some kind of extortion?
/ too old to give a damn

They would not have had the opportunity to "extort" you had you obeyed their clearly labelled signs.


Nothing is labeled clearly, that's the problem. Private parking companies have been making this up as they go along and look for loopholes that allow them to get away with it.
 
2012-08-26 01:58:22 PM
You've got a car. I have a boot...let's make lots of money.
 
2012-08-26 01:58:32 PM
Motorcycle parks where motorcycle wants.

Disc alarms and chained to the nearest anchor like a dirty hippie.

Bonus points if you use the bicycle rack!
 
2012-08-26 01:59:57 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I used to live at a house in Tucson near the University. On more than one occasion I found that some idiot UofA student had parked in my lot in front of the entrance to my house and couldn't give two shiats if they were parking in my spot (despite ample signage). I know because I confronted more than one of these idiots.

People just want to dump their car on any parcel of land that they can and worse: they feel entitled to do it.


What do you expect from someone at UofA?
 
2012-08-26 02:02:06 PM
This just in: when you let private businesses extort people for money legally, they will do it as much as they can.
 
2012-08-26 02:03:18 PM

sweet-daddy-2: Hitching rails were so much easier.No room in front of the Longbranch?Just ride on in and tie up to the bar rail.


I don't think Miss Kitty would approve of your horse taking a dump in her saloon.
 
2012-08-26 02:03:38 PM

GoldDude: I remember a few years ago when cars with side-shooting flame throwers were legal in South Africa due to the escalation of violent carjacking in Johannesburg.
I wonder if those could be re-tooled a bit to automatically recognize an attempted booting?
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Just get hydraulics/airbags and slam that sumbiatch to the ground when you park. Can't get a boot around the wheel.

Although you may come back to find your car on blocks...
 
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