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(Slate)   Scientologists: Down with Xenu, up with RON PAUL   (slate.com) divider line 88
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2012-08-26 05:21:28 PM
I love how the scientologist uses the ass-kissing as marketing technique. It seems transparent when it's not directed at you. People love hearing how smart, honest, moral, and hard-working they are when you're trying to sell them something. It works like a charm.
 
2012-08-26 05:22:46 PM
FTFA: "A lot of them look at it and go: Look, the bottom line is the system we are in right now in supressive. It actually rewards non-production and punishes production. And so you have an economic crisis -- like, go figure! If you reward non-production, you're going to get non-production. Scientologists realize that. They tend to be independent thinkers."

Doubleplusgood - Choco ration has increased to 25 grams.
 
2012-08-26 05:44:28 PM

buckler: "If you reward non-production, you're going to get non-production. Scientologists realize that. They tend to be independent thinkers."

Except for the part where your every action is monitored and controlled by superiors, you're expected to follow the "teachings" of L. Ron Hubbard down to the last letter, and you're punished with slave labor if you dare to show an independent thought of question the Scientology stance on anything. Other than that, you can think as independently as you like.


Slave labor wasn't used to punish. That was the norm. Working 16 to 20 hours a day was typical. If you complained you would get punished by getting shiattier jobs and crappier food. Another punishment was to transfer one person of a married couple to another location.

My second ex was sucked into Co$ when she was a gullible teenager with major family issues. When she tried to escape they locked her up. Eventually got out, but she still isn't right in the head (thus the "ex" part).
 
2012-08-26 05:52:08 PM

OgreMagi: buckler: "If you reward non-production, you're going to get non-production. Scientologists realize that. They tend to be independent thinkers."

Except for the part where your every action is monitored and controlled by superiors, you're expected to follow the "teachings" of L. Ron Hubbard down to the last letter, and you're punished with slave labor if you dare to show an independent thought of question the Scientology stance on anything. Other than that, you can think as independently as you like.

Slave labor wasn't used to punish. That was the norm. Working 16 to 20 hours a day was typical. If you complained you would get punished by getting shiattier jobs and crappier food. Another punishment was to transfer one person of a married couple to another location.

My second ex was sucked into Co$ when she was a gullible teenager with major family issues. When she tried to escape they locked her up. Eventually got out, but she still isn't right in the head (thus the "ex" part).


Yeah, of course I was talking about RPF, the "Rehabilitation Project Force", in which punishees were forced into the shiattiest conditions, made to eat scraps left over from the others out of a slop bucket, and other humiliating, horrible things. I've read many, many accounts of Scienos, and they talk about things like being forced to run around and around a pole in the hot desrt for hours while wearing a boilersuit, cleaning out septic tanks with their bare hands and such. Then there was the "RPF's RPF", for those who didn't cut it in the regular punishment routine, which amounted in some cases to doing even worse jobs, sometimes for days without sleep, while essentially in solitary confinement. THEN they were forced to confess their "crimes" and make restitution to the Church before being allowed to climb back into their good graces.
 
2012-08-26 06:01:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: I love how the scientologist uses the ass-kissing as marketing technique. It seems transparent when it's not directed at you. People love hearing how smart, honest, moral, and hard-working they are when you're trying to sell them something. It works like a charm.


Ron Paul has been using the same tactic for years.

What's funny is when Paultards leave their bubble and are to discover that they are not recognized as intellectual giants by the world at large.
 
2012-08-26 06:02:44 PM

Rich Cream: theorellior: St_Francis_P: then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls.

I had no idea the soul was soluble in a mixture of alcohol and glycol.


Quite the opposite. Frozen within, being insoluble prevents escape.

/like I would know


If I remember correctly, the astral-projection soul-hopping deal was supposed to be a thoroughly understood science in the star empire, and the paralysis mixture would both keep you from killing yourself (and hopping into a new body and warning folks) or astrally projecting (to do something similar) and the result was this body-horror kidnapping followed by complicated execution. Once the souls were loose but disoriented by the nuclear blasts Xenu and co. used magic soul-catching technology to grab the confused spirits and confuse them more with THE EVILS OF PSYCHOLOGY.

It should come as no surprise at this point that L. Ron Hubbard had bad experiences with psychiatry, specifically they tried but failed to help him and in his confused state he decided, "YOU'RE the crazy ones! Not me!!"

It's actually an interesting mythos, if it wasn't being taken seriously and used for acts of evil.

Then again I survived reading the original Battlefield: Earth, so perhaps my tolerance for long-winded bullshiat is just higher than everyone else'.
 
2012-08-26 06:09:38 PM
Whenever it's time to take a Thetan dump, I call a Scientoproctologist.
 
2012-08-26 06:11:56 PM

TheBigJerk: Then again I survived reading the original Battlefield: Earth, so perhaps my tolerance for long-winded bullshiat is just higher than everyone else'.


Wow. I only made it a few hundred pages before the garbage writing got to me.
 
2012-08-26 07:04:40 PM
Am I the only one who really enjoyed Battlefield: Earth?

I actually found it to be an interesting, fun read. I think I've read it three times in the past 15 years or so, and liked it every time.

The movie was utter crap, but the book was good.
 
2012-08-26 07:06:37 PM

Nobodyn0se: Am I the only one who really enjoyed Battlefield: Earth?

I actually found it to be an interesting, fun read. I think I've read it three times in the past 15 years or so, and liked it every time.

The movie was utter crap, but the book was good.


Ok, thinking about it, my two favorite books are Stranger in a Strange Land and Ender's Game, and both of those authors also have some pretty wacked out political/religious beliefs.

WTF is wrong with me liking books written by nut jobs? :(
 
2012-08-26 07:08:50 PM

Nobodyn0se: Ok, thinking about it, my two favorite books are Stranger in a Strange Land and Ender's Game, and both of those authors also have some pretty wacked out political/religious beliefs.


I like Heinlein, and I was OK with Ender's Game. I just think L. Ron was a crappy writer.
 
2012-08-26 07:11:34 PM

St_Francis_P: Nobodyn0se: Ok, thinking about it, my two favorite books are Stranger in a Strange Land and Ender's Game, and both of those authors also have some pretty wacked out political/religious beliefs.

I like Heinlein, and I was OK with Ender's Game. I just think L. Ron was a crappy writer.


I guess I just have really low standards then, cause I thought B:E was ok/decent writing. I've read much worse....
 
2012-08-26 08:15:11 PM

Nobodyn0se: Ok, thinking about it, my two favorite books are Stranger in a Strange Land and Ender's Game, and both of those authors also have some pretty wacked out political/religious beliefs.

Ender's Game

was a decent read, I thought Stranger in a Strange Land was fanservice for Heinlein's hard-up hippie fanbois. Heinlein wrote several better novels.

I've never bothered with LRH, though. I didn't think I needed to.
 
2012-08-26 08:24:42 PM

TheBigJerk: Rich Cream: theorellior: St_Francis_P: then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls.

I had no idea the soul was soluble in a mixture of alcohol and glycol.


Quite the opposite. Frozen within, being insoluble prevents escape.

/like I would know

If I remember correctly, the astral-projection soul-hopping deal was supposed to be a thoroughly understood science in the star empire, and the paralysis mixture would both keep you from killing yourself (and hopping into a new body and warning folks) or astrally projecting (to do something similar) and the result was this body-horror kidnapping followed by complicated execution. Once the souls were loose but disoriented by the nuclear blasts Xenu and co. used magic soul-catching technology to grab the confused spirits and confuse them more with THE EVILS OF PSYCHOLOGY.

It should come as no surprise at this point that L. Ron Hubbard had bad experiences with psychiatry, specifically they tried but failed to help him and in his confused state he decided, "YOU'RE the crazy ones! Not me!!"

It's actually an interesting mythos, if it wasn't being taken seriously and used for acts of evil.

Then again I survived reading the original Battlefield: Earth, so perhaps my tolerance for long-winded bullshiat is just higher than everyone else'.


Then again...
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2012-08-26 08:33:27 PM

Ed Grubermann: KarmicDisaster: A DC-8 does not have propellers, it is a jet.

See, that's the great thing about "revealed knowledge": you don't have to be bothered with mundane issues like fact-checking.


Aren't they powered by turbofans, which have propellers -- "fans" -- inside the nacelles? I like to watch them spin.

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2012-08-26 08:39:55 PM
 
2012-08-26 08:44:36 PM

James F. Campbell: Ender's Game is a carefully-constructed strawman defense of child abuse.


No, it's a freaking science fiction story. And a good one.
 
2012-08-26 08:45:47 PM

Nobodyn0se: Nobodyn0se:

Am I the only one who really enjoyed Battlefield: Earth?

I actually found it to be an interesting, fun read. I think I've read it three times in the past 15 years or so, and liked it every time.

The movie was utter crap, but the book was good.

Ok, thinking about it, my two favorite books are Stranger in a Strange Land and Ender's Game, and both of those authors also have some pretty wacked out political/religious beliefs.


Coincidentally, Heinlein was a combat-boot licking "libertarian" and Card is a Mormon who's against homosexuality and gay marriage.


WTF is wrong with me liking books written by nut jobs? :(

I like "Note from the Underground" and "Nausea" but then I'm weird.
 
2012-08-26 08:55:38 PM

Nobodyn0se: No, it's a freaking science fiction story. And a good one.


You're a sloppy, inattentive reader who has no business teaching anyone anything anywhere.
 
2012-08-26 10:25:35 PM

The One True TheDavid: Ed Grubermann: KarmicDisaster: A DC-8 does not have propellers, it is a jet.

See, that's the great thing about "revealed knowledge": you don't have to be bothered with mundane issues like fact-checking.

Aren't they powered by turbofans, which have propellers -- "fans" -- inside the nacelles? I like to watch them spin.

[image.shutterstock.com image 299x470]


That was my first thought, but I looked at the quote (which I assume is accurate) and it said, "fans and propellers" which...yeah, doesn't look good.

On the other hand even if it DID mean "turbofans and jet propulsion engines" it would be fun to make fun of, because Hubbard was still a nutjob cult-leader.
 
2012-08-26 10:37:14 PM

TheBigJerk: Then again I survived reading the original Battlefield: Earth, so perhaps my tolerance for long-winded bullshiat is just higher than everyone else'.


I survived it as well. Probably the worst book I've ever read, and I like to read some serious slop. (self-published e-books on Amazon don't count)
 
2012-08-26 11:39:55 PM

Mad_Radhu: WizardofToast: I remember in that shiatty Battlfield Earth movie that Xenu wanted all the gold.

...My god. My mind is blown.

I thought that was Mission Earth. I tried reading that when I was younger and ignorant of the evils of Scientology, but even then I knew it was trash.


No, that was Battlefield Earth.

Mission Earth is the one where the protagonist rapes a pair of lesbians into being straight.
 
2012-08-26 11:39:59 PM
Libertarians mixing with Scientologists? Isn't that like brewing espresso with Red Bull?
 
2012-08-26 11:57:50 PM

The One True TheDavid: Ed Grubermann: KarmicDisaster: A DC-8 does not have propellers, it is a jet.

See, that's the great thing about "revealed knowledge": you don't have to be bothered with mundane issues like fact-checking.

Aren't they powered by turbofans, which have propellers -- "fans" -- inside the nacelles? I like to watch them spin.

[image.shutterstock.com image 299x470]


Turbofans came in with the series 70 of the DC-8 in the 1980's. They didn't even exist when this was written. They were added to almost all jets because they are more efficient.
 
2012-08-27 12:32:08 AM

James F. Campbell: Ender's Game is a carefully-constructed strawman defense of child abuse.


What the fark did I just read?
 
2012-08-27 12:52:15 AM

Mad_Radhu: I thought that was Mission Earth. I tried reading that when I was younger and ignorant of the evils of Scientology, but even then I knew it was trash.


It might be decent Space Opera if Hubbard didn't insist on EVERY THIRD SENTENCE BEING WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS WITH 4 EXCLAMATION POINTS.

It gets a little tiresome about 4 pages in.
 
2012-08-27 01:41:47 AM

James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: No, it's a freaking science fiction story. And a good one.

You're a sloppy, inattentive reader who has no business teaching anyone anything anywhere.


And you're a sloppy, inattentive plumber who has no business plumbing anyone anything anywhere.
 
2012-08-27 10:33:18 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Delusional simpletons who have bought snake oil and who have convinced themselves that their delusions make them "free thinkers" are ripe targets for people who sell a different brand of snake oil.

This is Ric Romero reporting. Back to you, Jim......


Not to mention both have their "this will make you more powerful than all the non-believers" hook. One has OT levels, one has gold.

Remember kiddies, it's harder to cheat an honest man for a reason.
 
2012-08-27 10:50:32 AM

Nobodyn0se: James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: No, it's a freaking science fiction story. And a good one.

You're a sloppy, inattentive reader who has no business teaching anyone anything anywhere.

And you're a sloppy, inattentive plumber who has no business plumbing anyone anything anywhere.


This is what you have said: "Reading is as relevant to my profession" -- which apparently involves being a professor of criminal justice working on his PhD -- "as plumbing is to yours."

Again: you are a poor reader.
 
2012-08-27 11:03:54 AM

James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: No, it's a freaking science fiction story. And a good one.

You're a sloppy, inattentive reader who has no business teaching anyone anything anywhere.

And you're a sloppy, inattentive plumber who has no business plumbing anyone anything anywhere.

This is what you have said: "Reading is as relevant to my profession" -- which apparently involves being a professor of criminal justice working on his PhD -- "as plumbing is to yours."

Again: you are a poor reader.


This is what you have said: "I'm a big ninny who takes things way too seriously" -- which apparently involves hating every piece of fiction ever for some perceived slight -- "so I'm going to call you a poor reader."

Again: You are a poor plumber and you take things way too seriously. Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-08-27 11:18:34 AM

Nobodyn0se: some perceived slight


No, you just suck at reading. Read it again, then get back to me, OK? Or are you going to cross your arms, stomp your foot, stick out your tongue, and say, "Nuh-uh, I know you are but what am I?" some more?
 
2012-08-27 11:24:59 AM

James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: some perceived slight

No, you just suck at reading. Read it again, then get back to me, OK? Or are you going to cross your arms, stomp your foot, stick out your tongue, and say, "Nuh-uh, I know you are but what am I?" some more?


Do you still watch Star Wars, or is that just promoting incest?

Do you like Spiderman, or is that promoting abuse of the elderly?

Did you see the new Dark Knight Rises movie, or is it too negative towards orphans for you?


I don't suck at reading, I'm just REALLY good at priorities. Which is apparently a skill you utterly lack.
 
2012-08-27 11:31:11 AM

Nobodyn0se: I don't suck at reading


You're a PhD candidate who can't even spot the obvious flaw in a science fiction novel, so I disagree.

Nobodyn0se: I'm just REALLY good at priorities. Which is apparently a skill you utterly lack.


... says the man puerilely responding to some random guy on Fark.com. Yes, I can see you have excellent priorities. Shall we do this some more? I'm very happy to waste some more of your time.
 
2012-08-27 11:35:15 AM

James F. Campbell: You're a PhD candidate who can't even spot the obvious flaw in a science fiction novel, so I disagree.


Of course I can spot the flaws in it. It's a SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL. Flaw #1: There are no such things as giant alien bugs that are trying to invade earth. Flaw #2: There is no orbiting military academy designed to teach children how to be military commanders. Flaw #3: Using children as our military commanders would be a REALLY freaking stupid thing to do.

It's not about "noticing flaws." It's about "focusing so much on those flaws that you forget to enjoy a good story." Of course there are flaws. There are flaws in every single piece of literature ever written. Science fiction has way more than most other genres. But you know what, I don't care. I overlook the flaws, and I read the story for the story, and I am entertained.

James F. Campbell: Shall we do this some more? I'm very happy to waste some more of your time.


Please. I haven't started my semester yet, and I need some laughs.
 
2012-08-27 11:42:42 AM

Nobodyn0se: Of course I can spot the flaws in it. It's a SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL. Flaw #1: There are no such things as giant alien bugs that are trying to invade earth. Flaw #2: There is no orbiting military academy designed to teach children how to be military commanders. Flaw #3: Using children as our military commanders would be a REALLY freaking stupid thing to do.


o_o I just realized that it really is the case that you have no idea what you're talking about. Scary. They'll hand out degrees to anyone these days, I guess.

Okay, you win.
 
2012-08-27 11:44:32 AM
Look, you've already got guys here who actually know that the mainstream media is full of crap. They actually know that there's more out there than what you're being fed.

Yeah, you're not going to find them in a GOP convention.
 
2012-08-27 11:53:18 AM

James F. Campbell: Nobodyn0se: Of course I can spot the flaws in it. It's a SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL. Flaw #1: There are no such things as giant alien bugs that are trying to invade earth. Flaw #2: There is no orbiting military academy designed to teach children how to be military commanders. Flaw #3: Using children as our military commanders would be a REALLY freaking stupid thing to do.

o_o I just realized that it really is the case that you have no idea what you're talking about. Scary. They'll hand out degrees to anyone these days, I guess.

Okay, you win.


Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with your poutrage over a little boy having a shiatty life in a science fiction book MUST be too dumb to understand your point.

Your life must be so hard :(
 
2012-08-28 01:59:53 AM
OK, evil alien overlords with fleets of space ships modelled on DC 10s flying millions of people into volcanos I can understand, but Ron Paul? Really? Ron Paul. Wyatt Derp, the King of the Wild, Wild, Woooo-eeee's.

Quote: ""The bottom line is that the guys who are Ron Paul supporters are free-thinkers," said Doerges. "They're more literate. They're able to actually look at data, and make decisions about it. That's sort of the keynote of Scientology -- it literally means 'the study of knowledge.'" And they're 87th Level Chaotic Mages, too, so you know they have to be powerful.

Did a great job describing and flattering the self-image of every crank, looney, conspiracy theorist, UFOlogist, cryptozoologist and wing nut in God's Creation though. He knows how to flatter the suckers, I mean Faithful. Sounds a bit like the Church of the Sub-Genius, but hey, I don't know from clip-art.

By the way, the study of knowledge is called epistemology, the study of wisdom is called philosophy, and scientology is the study of how to determine just how stupid people are by seeing how many cheques they will write before they catch on.
 
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