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(Buffalo News)   Parents get basketball coach who won a division title last year and sectional titles the previous two years fired because he didn't give their precious little snowflakes enough playing time   (buffalonews.com) divider line 57
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2012-08-26 09:45:37 AM  
Its the way the NBA works, why not high school?
 
2012-08-26 10:45:48 AM  
I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage, having lived in tight-knit, nepotistic communities where the right surname will place a student first in line academically, athletically, and in music and drama, regardless of actual talent.

If this is the case, and the kids got sweet playing time because of the name on the back of their jersey and not because they were better than the other players, then good on these folks. That shiat sucks, growing up knowing that no matter how hard you work, or how good you are, you are never going to beat out the mayor's second cousin once removed. (Although it would prepare you well for a future in government.)

If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.
 
2012-08-26 11:48:40 AM  
I think he will be able to find a better job pretty fast
 
2012-08-26 11:49:07 AM  
Next year: You're fired because you didn't take us to the playoffs like the last coach.
 
2012-08-26 11:53:22 AM  
I wonder if he knew certain kids well because those were the ones that stayed late at practice, were at the driving range on Saturday mornings, and shooting free throws before school started. You know, the good players.
 
2012-08-26 11:59:51 AM  
That's sad. The guy is a well respected coach who has devoted a tremendous amount of time to all of his players.

I look at it this way. At the youth league and modified levels, everyone should get roughly equal playing time. For the most part, it's developmental at those levels, whether it's football, basketball, lacrosse, etc. But talent starts to take over by JV, and when you're at the varsity level your playing time is dictated by your team's needs.

But some parents will NEVER be happy. When I coached town football, I used to have an assistant whose only task on game day was to keep track of each players's time on the field. Not just to meet some bullshiat minimum time or minimum plays requirement, but to make sure that everyone got a roughly equal amount of time. Even then, I had parents who would whine and biatch and moan because not only did Johnny's teammate get 2 minutes more than him, but Johnny wasn't put in at starting QB--after all, Johnny's going to be a superstar despite not yet knowing even the blocking schemes or hole designations.

So many delusional parents in every sport.
 
2012-08-26 12:00:25 PM  
If you want to be on a competitive team, Junior better perform if he wants to play. Plenty of community leagues where everybody plays
 
2012-08-26 12:08:08 PM  

namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage


"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.
 
2012-08-26 12:08:56 PM  
I'll save my outrage until if and when I hear the other side of the story. The article is exclusively sourced from people favorable to the coach, and by no one who claims to have first hand knowledge of the reasons for the firing.
 
2012-08-26 12:25:03 PM  

Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin: namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage

"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.


While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.
 
2012-08-26 12:31:47 PM  
"Parents said that there was a small group of disgruntled team parents, upset about playing time, who went to the superintendent with their complaints."

That small group was likely wealthy and influential and ticked off their pampered brats did not get playing time they likely did not deserve.
 
2012-08-26 12:43:31 PM  
I don't care who gets playing time if you're winning and not breaking any rules while doing it. I don't recall anyone ever being guaranteed playing time in any high school sport, so "playing favorites" isn't a problem unless you're taking money from those parents(which plenty of high school coaches do). It sounds like it was the rich, influential ones that were complaining, regardless. In the immortal words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby."
 
2012-08-26 12:45:40 PM  
Dear snowflake parents,

Your kid blows goats and runs like a fancy boy. He'd rather play with his phone than put in a little extra work at the free throw line and he only goes 3/4 speed in practice. Of course, you don't see these things, to you they are precious and unique. Maybe you should home school them and get them on one of those home school league teams and leave the real sports to the kids with talent and drive.
 
2012-08-26 12:53:53 PM  
And thus, their children learned that the most important thing in life is SPORTS and their ability to play SPORTS.
 
2012-08-26 12:56:25 PM  

namegoeshere: If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.


Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'
 
2012-08-26 12:58:07 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin: namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage

"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.

While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.


I'm guessing he will be coaching for an area rival very soon.
 
2012-08-26 01:01:02 PM  
I mean, you do realize the odds are laughably against a single player on any randomly selected American high school basketball court ever in their lives getting paid one red cent to play a game of basketball beyond 'sink the half-court shot at halftime and win a car', right?

RIGHT?
 
2012-08-26 01:01:41 PM  

Gosling: namegoeshere: If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.

Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'


The object is to provide another educational opportunity for teenagers as they grow up. In this case, it's a real world example of "if you aren't good, no one gives a shiat about you"
 
2012-08-26 01:01:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: And thus, their children learned that the most important thing in life is SPORTS and their ability to play SPORTS.


Wtf are you going on about. It's about who your parents are and how well they throw their weight around
 
2012-08-26 01:04:25 PM  

Amdam: The My Little Pony Killer: And thus, their children learned that the most important thing in life is SPORTS and their ability to play SPORTS.

Wtf are you going on about. It's about who your parents are and how well they throw their weight around


... and the fact that they chose to focus all of that money and power on sports, genius.
 
2012-08-26 01:06:50 PM  

Gosling: namegoeshere: If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.

Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'


I know high school varsity isn't the NBA and shouldn't be the most important thing, but it *is* supposed to be competitive. Younger kids? Yeah, split the playing time evenly. But high school is past that level.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:29 PM  

Gosling: The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'


That would meanthat since there are 360 NBA players there are 3.6 billion high scool basketball players who dont make it. Im thinking your numbers are way off.
 
2012-08-26 01:13:46 PM  

iron_city_ap: themeaningoflifeisnot: Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin: namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage

"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.

While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.

I'm guessing he will be coaching for an area rival very soon.


It's tough for the coach because he's a teacher at the school. It is difficult to simply pick up and go to work at another public school.
 
2012-08-26 01:15:48 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: That's sad. The guy is a well respected coach who has devoted a tremendous amount of time to all of his players.

I look at it this way. At the youth league and modified levels, everyone should get roughly equal playing time. For the most part, it's developmental at those levels, whether it's football, basketball, lacrosse, etc. But talent starts to take over by JV, and when you're at the varsity level your playing time is dictated by your team's needs.

But some parents will NEVER be happy. When I coached town football, I used to have an assistant whose only task on game day was to keep track of each players's time on the field. Not just to meet some bullshiat minimum time or minimum plays requirement, but to make sure that everyone got a roughly equal amount of time. Even then, I had parents who would whine and biatch and moan because not only did Johnny's teammate get 2 minutes more than him, but Johnny wasn't put in at starting QB--after all, Johnny's going to be a superstar despite not yet knowing even the blocking schemes or hole designations.

So many delusional parents in every sport.


This is pretty much the opposite of what the parents are doing here, but whatever.
 
2012-08-26 01:16:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Amdam: The My Little Pony Killer: And thus, their children learned that the most important thing in life is SPORTS and their ability to play SPORTS.

Wtf are you going on about. It's about who your parents are and how well they throw their weight around

... and the fact that they chose to focus all of that money and power on sports, genius.


So you think this is the only area in their kids' life in which they do that? This kind of overbearing egotism doesn't have anything to do with sports, it's just another outlet for it
 
2012-08-26 01:18:59 PM  

Amdam: The My Little Pony Killer: Amdam: The My Little Pony Killer: And thus, their children learned that the most important thing in life is SPORTS and their ability to play SPORTS.

Wtf are you going on about. It's about who your parents are and how well they throw their weight around

... and the fact that they chose to focus all of that money and power on sports, genius.

So you think this is the only area in their kids' life in which they do that? This kind of overbearing egotism doesn't have anything to do with sports, it's just another outlet for it


This is the area where they are getting media attention for it. And they're awfully focused on the sports for this to not be about sports.
 
2012-08-26 01:22:08 PM  

Gosling: namegoeshere: If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.

Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'


There are plenty of after school and weekend leagues for kids who want to play recreationally but are not able to compete at the varsity level. And, for the most part, high school sports in WNY are not the be all and end all of everything. We have very few Division I basketball players coming out of this area. Our high school programs simply aren't structured to create star athletes at the expense of academics. They provide an opportunity to play competitive basketball at a modestly high talent level while promoting generally good values without much controversy. If you think that this program or any in the area are even remotely concerned about producing future NBA players, you're out of your mind.
 
2012-08-26 01:23:12 PM  
I guess for me it's just more of a lesson to always get your way no matter what, even if it's at the expense of everyone else around you. This time it just has to do with sports. As other people have mentioned, it's a great introduction to politics
 
2012-08-26 01:27:50 PM  

Amdam: I guess for me it's just more of a lesson to always get your way no matter what, even if it's at the expense of everyone else around you. This time it just has to do with sports. As other people have mentioned, it's a great introduction to politics


Awesome. For me, it's about sports because TFA is about sports and because I don't see these jackasses getting attention for crying over anything that isn't sports. That's where I see the lesson for the kids fitting into all this. Their parents aren't getting media attention for crying about anything else in their sad little lives. Just the sports.
 
2012-08-26 01:28:50 PM  

Super Chronic: themeaningoflifeisnot: That's sad. The guy is a well respected coach who has devoted a tremendous amount of time to all of his players.

I look at it this way. At the youth league and modified levels, everyone should get roughly equal playing time. For the most part, it's developmental at those levels, whether it's football, basketball, lacrosse, etc. But talent starts to take over by JV, and when you're at the varsity level your playing time is dictated by your team's needs.

But some parents will NEVER be happy. When I coached town football, I used to have an assistant whose only task on game day was to keep track of each players's time on the field. Not just to meet some bullshiat minimum time or minimum plays requirement, but to make sure that everyone got a roughly equal amount of time. Even then, I had parents who would whine and biatch and moan because not only did Johnny's teammate get 2 minutes more than him, but Johnny wasn't put in at starting QB--after all, Johnny's going to be a superstar despite not yet knowing even the blocking schemes or hole designations.

So many delusional parents in every sport.

This is pretty much the opposite of what the parents are doing here, but whatever.


Glad to hear it. Unfortunately, having been involved in multiple youth sports as a parent, coach, board member, commissioner for almost 20 years, I have seen many, many delusional helicopter parents who try to influence things in favor of their kids. Are they the majority of parents? Of course not. But such parents are there, every season and for every team. It's inevitable, which is why most teams/leagues train their coaches on how to handle these nutcases so that their children can get the best experience despite their parents' idiocy.
 
2012-08-26 01:31:01 PM  

FreakinB: Gosling: namegoeshere: If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.

Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'

I know high school varsity isn't the NBA and shouldn't be the most important thing, but it *is* supposed to be competitive. Younger kids? Yeah, split the playing time evenly. But high school is past that level.


Yep, if you need to have equal playing times in high school...then what is the point? It may be a game but a lot of kids get to go to college because of it. If you hold back their playing times you might cost them a scholarship so Johhny can get his 15 minutes of botching plays? I played football in high school...and I sucked. I was fat and didn't know my head from my ass my freshman year. I got all of 30 seconds of playing time per game. Did i just whine about not getting playing time? Nope i worked my ass off to get into shape and learn the game. By the time i was a senior I had a starting position locked up. (But I blew my shoulder out in practice and had to miss the season.) But I had earned that spot and I cried like a little girl when i knew I would never get to start. But man the day my coach told me how I was scheduled to be a starter... One of my proudest days.
 
2012-08-26 01:42:04 PM  
The problem with youth sports is ALWAYS the parents.
 
2012-08-26 01:42:18 PM  

namegoeshere: If this is the case, and the kids got sweet playing time because of the name on the back of their jersey and not because they were better than the other players, then good on these folks. That shiat sucks, growing up knowing that no matter how hard you work, or how good you are, you are never going to beat out the mayor's second cousin once removed. (Although it would prepare you well for a future in government.)


Even if this was what was going on, dude was 364-211 and had one multiple championships, I'd say it was working. If anything, I'd say it's probably more about the names on the jerseys of the kids riding the pine.
 
2012-08-26 01:45:25 PM  
When I was in HS football, we (meaning players) would mock you unmercifully if your parents showed up for practices or campaigned for you to get more playing time. We would hit you harder, tease you until you got the balls to tell your parents to cut that shiat out.

/also, kids today don't understand the importance of the meatball squad
//your A team is only as good as the meatballs they practice against
///and meatballs are your backups, they will be needed
////earning your way up through the meatball squad to the A team builds character and confidence
///learning the importance of total teamwork is what non individual sports is about in high school
 
2012-08-26 01:46:02 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: iron_city_ap: themeaningoflifeisnot: Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin: namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage

"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.

While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.

I'm guessing he will be coaching for an area rival very soon.

It's tough for the coach because he's a teacher at the school. It is difficult to simply pick up and go to work at another public school.


My sister is a teacher/coach. No it really isn't hard. She has taught at 1 school and coached at another before. To be fair, when a coaching spot at her school opened up, she took it. Its definately easier,but not totally unheard of.
 
2012-08-26 02:07:25 PM  

iron_city_ap: themeaningoflifeisnot: iron_city_ap: themeaningoflifeisnot: Tex Colorado the Arizona Assassin: namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage

"Sectional title" = won the Buffalo-area championship of schools its size and went on to play in the state tournament. You don't do that by playing "favorites" over talented players.

While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.

I'm guessing he will be coaching for an area rival very soon.

It's tough for the coach because he's a teacher at the school. It is difficult to simply pick up and go to work at another public school.

My sister is a teacher/coach. No it really isn't hard. She has taught at 1 school and coached at another before. To be fair, when a coaching spot at her school opened up, she took it. Its definately easier,but not totally unheard of.


It's pretty rare for a teacher in a suburban public high school around here to coach for another public high school competing in the same section. Maybe if the teacher's own school doesn't have the sport he/she coaches in, but that's rare, too. It just hardly ever happens. There's the coaching for a rival aspect and the fact that coaching positions go to teachers at each school first. A coach would basically have to transfer to a new school provided that there was a teaching opening and that he could get it under the tenure/seniority rules. That's a once in a blue moon thing.
 
2012-08-26 02:07:55 PM  
i remember him. i was there when he was coach. he was also the health coach. he had false teeth which he showed us in class

no i didnt play bball, i was a nerd
 
2012-08-26 02:11:30 PM  

oh, and

static6.businessinsider.com
RIP
 
2012-08-26 02:14:23 PM  

jayhawk88: namegoeshere: If this is the case, and the kids got sweet playing time because of the name on the back of their jersey and not because they were better than the other players, then good on these folks. That shiat sucks, growing up knowing that no matter how hard you work, or how good you are, you are never going to beat out the mayor's second cousin once removed. (Although it would prepare you well for a future in government.)

Even if this was what was going on, dude was 364-211 and had one multiple championships, I'd say it was working. If anything, I'd say it's probably more about the names on the jerseys of the kids riding the pine.


Yeah, the more I hear the more it looks like he was the one not playing the Name Game. The fact that administraiton and the board agreed with his removal supports this idea. 

Also, I hate autocorrect because it's no longer fun to point out people's typos.
 
2012-08-26 02:20:52 PM  

Gosling: Newsflash: high school basketball is not the farking NBA. The object is not 'convince the weenie kids to stop playing basketball so the good players can worry about improving their draft position'. The object is 'provide a fun supplement to their high school education just in case they're one of the 99.999999% that DON'T end up playing professionally.'


If the choice is "give some unknown a chance to possibly play DII basketball" or "let some idiot who doesn't care much about the sport play for the sake of making his parents happy," yeah I'll go with the kid with the potential.

People like you are why are schools are failing in this nation. Instead of saying "let's help the lesser while SIMULTANEOUSLY pushing the talented to greater heights," you say "let's just make everyone the same."
 
2012-08-26 02:35:02 PM  
Hey, look, in the comments there's a graduate of his man's program who went on to play professional basketball (in a crappy Euro league, but pro basketball nonetheless).
 
2012-08-26 02:35:56 PM  
He didn't come by that record using the "everyone is special" game plan.
 
2012-08-26 02:57:20 PM  
If you care very much about the won-lost record of a group of high school kids, you are pretty pathetic.
 
2012-08-26 03:07:01 PM  

bronyaur1: If you care very much about the won-lost record of a group of high school kids, you are pretty pathetic.


I heard Columbine went 2-13 one year.
 
2012-08-26 03:48:36 PM  
Exact situation happened to our Fball cross town rival...benched the wrong kids from families who were buddies with the Superintendant...18-year veteran with a .650 winning percentage...fired two days after winning Districts.

Here is a simple rule of thumb: School Superintendents should NEVER get involved with the hiring or firing of Athletic coaches (except for once in a million ethics reasons where the AD is also involved), it only leads to politics and bad decisions that teach kids the wrong messages.

Hire a good AD and let him or her do their job.
 
2012-08-26 04:12:42 PM  

puffy999: People like you are why are schools are failing in this nation. Instead of saying "let's help the lesser while SIMULTANEOUSLY pushing the talented to greater heights," you say "let's just make everyone the same."


Let me put it to you this way. I never even got the chance to see whether I was any good or not, because I never got to play in the first place. That shiat started way back in elementary school. I did not merely get picked last.

I didn't get picked. As in 'fark you, go do something else while the rest of us play'. When things conspired to where they were forced to give me a spot on a team just to make up the numbers (or because the teachers made them), they just didn't give me a chance to actually do anything. It topped off at a park-and-rec soccer tournament- again, elementary school- where the ball was only even attempted to be lobbed in my general direction once all day.

The team had my own brother on it.

That was pretty much the end of my active participation in sports.

I'm not saying 'everyone needs equal time'. I'm saying 'just give them the ball once in a blue moon so they don't quit the sport'.
 
2012-08-26 04:35:31 PM  

Gosling: I never even got the chance to see whether I was any good or not, because I never got to play in the first place


You know what people used to do? They'd go home and play with themselves (and not in the Fark sense) and then show people up, then they'd earn that ability to play. That, or they'd go play with friends at the sand lot or rec park or in the street. These days, at least kids have more opportunities to play at non-school-affiliated sports and recreation facilities.

I'll be honest: my above anger transcends athletics, which I believe to be an increasingly detrimental aspect of the so-called educational system but at least one where "the best" (the people who focus on improvement on their own time) will obtain more focus from leadership. I'm much more upset at the educational attitude the at everybody deserves the ball simply for showing up; it's as if people forget that a "team" consists of much more than the 5 guys on the court, and that the reserves, assistants, team managers, towel boys, janitors, coaches, and fans also matter to some degree if the game is to be recorded for history.
 
2012-08-26 04:44:26 PM  
Chess team never has this problem.
 
2012-08-26 05:20:12 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: While Will South may struggle in other sports, they have a long-respected basketball program. The coach is well known and well liked throughout WNY. The players are the ones who really got screwed here.


QFT. As an alumnus, I've had good respect for Mr. Monaco, even though I never had him as a coach. I can't recall any of his players saying anything bad about him.
 
2012-08-26 11:49:49 PM  

namegoeshere: I need to hear more so that I may assume the correct level of outrage, having lived in tight-knit, nepotistic communities where the right surname will place a student first in line academically, athletically, and in music and drama, regardless of actual talent.

If this is the case, and the kids got sweet playing time because of the name on the back of their jersey and not because they were better than the other players, then good on these folks. That shiat sucks, growing up knowing that no matter how hard you work, or how good you are, you are never going to beat out the mayor's second cousin once removed. (Although it would prepare you well for a future in government.)

If the bench sitters did not play as well as the star players, though, then the parents need to STFU and go find a nice rec league for their little sweetums.


Pretty much this. I played JV soccer in High School for 3 years and Varsity for my last. My sophomore and junior years, I was one of the better players on the field in JV. In Varsity, I was not. I didn't complain when I sat for an entire game, but when I did go in (generally late with a 3-1 lead or deficit), I played as hard as I possibly could. And it was fun as hell.

\I remember being completely baffled one game
\\Coach told me to go in when we were tied.
 
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