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(Fox News)   World's smartest District Attorney realizes it probably isn't worth the cost of convening a grand jury and calling expert witnesses, just to try to pin felony charges on a guy for eating a joint   (foxnews.com) divider line 81
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2012-08-26 08:49:38 AM

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YA THINK?


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2012-08-26 09:04:29 AM
Good.

Now all we have to do is shoot DAs who DO think it's a good idea out a giant cannon and into the sun.
 
2012-08-26 10:37:19 AM
He says the charge would be disproportional to the resources of his office.

Plus, there's that whole, "lack of evidence" thing.
 
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2012-08-26 10:46:29 AM
DAs decided not to prosecute for budgetary reasons all the time.
 
2012-08-26 10:52:01 AM
5 years in prison? Being drunk and killing some people will only get you three with time served. Hell, I'm not sure that setting your roommate on fire gets you 5 years. Alaska is weird.
 
2012-08-26 10:53:26 AM
420..... nevar forget
 
2012-08-26 10:57:09 AM
I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.
 
2012-08-26 10:58:11 AM
However, the Juneau PD said it is considering tailing the suspect to various bathrooms and toilets to monitor his movements.
 
2012-08-26 11:00:03 AM
Maybe this will happen enough that cops won't even bother arresting people since they know it won't go anywhere in court.
 
2012-08-26 11:01:45 AM
The fact that there is even a story suggests that someone (perhaps the police) was pressuring the DA to prosecute.
 
2012-08-26 11:04:49 AM

DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.


I thought that too when I was 33. Let's just say I'm not 33 and I don't think I'll be able to blaze it at the nursing home like I was hoping...
 
2012-08-26 11:04:59 AM
Legalize it already. Jeeze
 
2012-08-26 11:05:49 AM
wow... I must say that I am impressed, which is in itself a sad commentary on the current state of our justice system.
 
2012-08-26 11:06:17 AM
Depends on the kind of joint.

/cannabis vs. cannibal
 
2012-08-26 11:07:04 AM
Brower says that to prove the felony, his office would have had to pay for expert testimony . . .

So who is the "expert witness?" Tommy Chong? And what would he testify about, since there's no physical evidence? "Well your Honor, I've rolled a lot of joints in my life and I always roll them in the exact same way the defendent does" ?
 
2012-08-26 11:08:07 AM

DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.


I'm starting to see a lot more boomer aged people going back to it. Which will certainly help if it goes up for a vote locally.
 
2012-08-26 11:11:13 AM

MBooda: Depends on the kind of joint.

/cannabis vs. cannibal


So don't try this with a joint of long pork?
 
2012-08-26 11:12:02 AM

DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.


that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.
 
2012-08-26 11:15:43 AM

gadian: 5 years in prison? Being drunk and killing some people will only get you three with time served.


5 years is the maximum sentence. I'm pretty sure the maximum sentence for killing people while driving drunk is much more than 5 years.
 
2012-08-26 11:15:43 AM
Also Kentucky is making efforts to allow industrial hemp growth again. The governors are basically telling the cops that they have to put actual effort into their enforcement, because we need the economic benefits.
 
2012-08-26 11:15:54 AM

DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.


A number of states have ballot questions pushing for legalization in the up coming election. I wouldn't be surprised to see two or three in the next election to vote that way.

/End the stupidity
/And the prison-industrial complex
 
2012-08-26 11:20:12 AM

NutWrench: Brower says that to prove the felony, his office would have had to pay for expert testimony . . .

So who is the "expert witness?" Tommy Chong? And what would he testify about, since there's no physical evidence? "Well your Honor, I've rolled a lot of joints in my life and I always roll them in the exact same way the defendent does" ?


Unless they kept his poop, I don't know what an expert witness could do.
 
2012-08-26 11:22:06 AM

TheChadnt: The fact that there is even a story suggests that someone (perhaps the police) was pressuring the DA to prosecute.


It suggests that there is significant public interest in marijuana and justice among ADN's readers. I imagine there were lots of comments on the first story, so a followup seemed prudent to the editors.
 
2012-08-26 11:23:17 AM

Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.


If it gets legal here I'm gonna grow some serious trees along the fence next to my a-hole neighbors who called the police because I was smoking a left handed cigarette in my back yard.

/farking Texas
 
2012-08-26 11:28:17 AM

Girion47: Also Kentucky is making efforts to allow industrial hemp growth again. The governors are basically telling the cops that they have to put actual effort into their enforcement, because we need the economic benefits.


My kids diaper liners are made from hemp. I imported them from Australia. Rumparoos. The hemp liner is superior to the cotton one in every way. I am happy to see the govt is strarting to wake up regarding hemp.

As to the DA hitting the ignore button on this case is good to see. Others should take notes.
 
2012-08-26 11:28:35 AM
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CHICKEN JOINTS??
 
2012-08-26 11:30:24 AM

liam76: NutWrench: Brower says that to prove the felony, his office would have had to pay for expert testimony . . .

So who is the "expert witness?" Tommy Chong? And what would he testify about, since there's no physical evidence? "Well your Honor, I've rolled a lot of joints in my life and I always roll them in the exact same way the defendent does" ?

Unless they kept his poop, I don't know what an expert witness could do.


Maybe there's an expert in weed poop that they're trying to get to testify.
 
2012-08-26 11:31:09 AM

NutWrench: "Well your Honor, I've rolled a lot of joints in my life and I always roll them in the exact same way the defendent does" ?


That's OK. Our judges say they roll big joints too?
 
2012-08-26 11:32:00 AM
Judge: "This man will not go to the joint for eating a joint!

This Court has been adjoint!"

/Let's all joint together in celebration!
 
2012-08-26 11:33:07 AM

lar_m: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

I thought that too when I was 33. Let's just say I'm not 33 and I don't think I'll be able to blaze it at the nursing home like I was hoping...


I don't smoke, but I suddenly felt bad imagining you sitting around, falling apart at some two-bit backwater home without even the decency of a smile from the fat nurse that'll steal your meds, pining for a joint that you no longer have the ability to hit the street and procure.

I'll get that legalized for you. How long till you're to be interred among the living dead?
 
2012-08-26 11:42:27 AM
You know what you've done to this town? Every time someone will want to eat a joint. They'll come here. They'll use our public resources and tie up our infrastructure without adding any net positive income. They'll sit on our public lands, eating their joints and our hospitals will be full of people who ate too many joints and our police will be unable to prosecute one single joint eater. They'll organize joint eating events and joint eating musical festivals and we'll be known as the 'joint eating capital of the world.'

Just hope you're happy.
 
2012-08-26 11:44:16 AM
I interned at the Public Defender's office this summer and I watched a felony trial where a man was prosecuted for having .15 grams of cocaine hidden in a car that he was driving that belonged to his drug dealing nephew. At first I thought I misheard the prosecutor but he said it again. I don't even know what .15 grams of cocaine looks like. Can you get high on that amount? I imagine if you had a baggie that used to have coke in it, that's the amount that would show up. The jury acquitted. All the interns thought that it was a colossal waste of taxpayer money and the court's time.
 
2012-08-26 11:48:55 AM

Ivandrago: I interned at the Public Defender's office this summer and I watched a felony trial where a man was prosecuted for having .15 grams of cocaine hidden in a car that he was driving that belonged to his drug dealing nephew. At first I thought I misheard the prosecutor but he said it again. I don't even know what .15 grams of cocaine looks like. Can you get high on that amount? I imagine if you had a baggie that used to have coke in it, that's the amount that would show up. The jury acquitted. All the interns thought that it was a colossal waste of taxpayer money and the court's time.


what was he supposed to do? do a search of the car prior to driving it? Making people responsible for what's in a car is utter bullshiat, you have no idea what's hidden in the nooks and crannies.
 
2012-08-26 11:55:34 AM

Girion47: Ivandrago: I interned at the Public Defender's office this summer and I watched a felony trial where a man was prosecuted for having .15 grams of cocaine hidden in a car that he was driving that belonged to his drug dealing nephew. At first I thought I misheard the prosecutor but he said it again. I don't even know what .15 grams of cocaine looks like. Can you get high on that amount? I imagine if you had a baggie that used to have coke in it, that's the amount that would show up. The jury acquitted. All the interns thought that it was a colossal waste of taxpayer money and the court's time.

what was he supposed to do? do a search of the car prior to driving it? Making people responsible for what's in a car is utter bullshiat, you have no idea what's hidden in the nooks and crannies.


The important part is that the cops no doubt seized the car without a warrant, sold it at auction, and then pocketed the proceeds. Gotta have your priorities straight.
 
2012-08-26 12:00:20 PM

bluenovaman: Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.

If it gets legal here I'm gonna grow some serious trees along the fence next to my a-hole neighbors who called the police because I was smoking a left handed cigarette in my back yard.

/farking Texas


lots of pitfalls for outdoor growing. bugs,critters,thieves,bad weather etc..
 
2012-08-26 12:00:43 PM

Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.


why the hell not, people can make their own beer
 
2012-08-26 12:04:02 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Girion47: Ivandrago: I interned at the Public Defender's office this summer and I watched a felony trial where a man was prosecuted for having .15 grams of cocaine hidden in a car that he was driving that belonged to his drug dealing nephew. At first I thought I misheard the prosecutor but he said it again. I don't even know what .15 grams of cocaine looks like. Can you get high on that amount? I imagine if you had a baggie that used to have coke in it, that's the amount that would show up. The jury acquitted. All the interns thought that it was a colossal waste of taxpayer money and the court's time.

what was he supposed to do? do a search of the car prior to driving it? Making people responsible for what's in a car is utter bullshiat, you have no idea what's hidden in the nooks and crannies.

The important part is that the cops no doubt seized the car without a warrant, sold it at auction, and then pocketed the proceeds. Gotta have your priorities straight.


The man owned his own mechanic business, had the car in his possession for last than 48 hours to do some work on it for the nephew (nice car, too an early 70's olds cutlass), when he got a call his mother was dying in the hospital, he jumped in the car, which, unbeknownst to him, had a warrant attached to the plates because it was owned by the drug dealing nephew. Got pulled over on the warrant, when the cop saw him "make a sudden move" allowing the officers to bodily yank him and his 19 year-old college student son, from the car and search the car. That's when they found the "cocaine." To hear the prosecutor at the trial, you'd think they'd arrested Scarface. Though I'm sure it had nothing to do with anything, but the man and his son are black, though neither had ever been arrested until that day.
 
2012-08-26 12:04:20 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.

why the hell not, people can make their own beer


wouldn't it be cool to be a rich guy and be able to own a cropdusting plane and fill it with seeds and fly around the country playing Johnny Potseed? Imagine it growing wild everywhere.
 
2012-08-26 12:08:11 PM
That's different. The DA can't afford expert testimony. Now he knows how most defendants feel.
 
2012-08-26 12:10:52 PM

Hobodeluxe: Unoriginal_Username: Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.

why the hell not, people can make their own beer

wouldn't it be cool to be a rich guy and be able to own a cropdusting plane and fill it with seeds and fly around the country playing Johnny Potseed? Imagine it growing wild everywhere.


unless you're culling the males, it's a pointless gesture.
 
2012-08-26 12:11:16 PM

Hobodeluxe: Unoriginal_Username: Hobodeluxe: DubyaHater: I am 33 years old, and I honestly think pot will be legal in my lifetime. I don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Regulate it like alcohol and just just be done with it already.

that and allow them to grow it for personal consumption.

why the hell not, people can make their own beer

wouldn't it be cool to be a rich guy and be able to own a cropdusting plane and fill it with seeds and fly around the country playing Johnny Potseed? Imagine it growing wild everywhere.


Hmmmm, my mother buys/exports crop dusters to Brazil for my uncle's flying school. I've been considering learning to fly. Time to find a bulk seed provider!

/king of making really bad ideas work.
 
2012-08-26 12:15:46 PM

Girion47: Making people responsible for what's in a car is utter bullshiat, you have no idea what's hidden in the nooks and crannies.


Or the trunk. But what are the cops supposed to do? You know how many times they hear, "That's not mine officer." when a search turns up something?
 
2012-08-26 12:18:08 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Girion47: Making people responsible for what's in a car is utter bullshiat, you have no idea what's hidden in the nooks and crannies.

Or the trunk. But what are the cops supposed to do? You know how many times they hear, "That's not mine officer." when a search turns up something?


I'd rather a guilty person get away than an innocent person have their lives ruined.
 
2012-08-26 12:20:36 PM

Girion47: I'd rather a guilty person get away than an innocent person have their lives ruined.


That is why we have trials.
 
2012-08-26 12:37:48 PM
Hell, I've had cops tell me I *should* have eaten the joint.
 
2012-08-26 12:42:04 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Girion47: I'd rather a guilty person get away than an innocent person have their lives ruined.

That is why we have trials.


And how does one defend oneself that they don't own the illegal substance in the vehicle?
 
2012-08-26 12:48:13 PM

Girion47: And how does one defend oneself that they don't own the illegal substance in the vehicle?


What do you mean? You tell the jury that you borrowed the car and didn't know what was in the vehicle, it is still up to the state to prove the case. "The guns under the seat and the lbs of drugs in the trunk belonged to my grandmother, it's her car."
 
2012-08-26 12:55:29 PM
Really???? Using public resources to prosecute people who smoke weed is a waste of money??? I don't know, doesn't add up if you ask me.

Also, I could be wrong, but I'm guessing they don't have privately run prisons in Alaska, that might be why he was able to get away with not prosecuting this man.
 
2012-08-26 01:00:42 PM

mrjones61: Really???? Using public resources to prosecute people who smoke weed is a waste of money??? I don't know, doesn't add up if you ask me.

Also, I could be wrong, but I'm guessing they don't have privately run prisons in Alaska, that might be why he was able to get away with not prosecuting this man.


Alaska is pretty liberal when it comes to weed. Possession of less than 4 ounces isn't any type of offense as long as it's in your own residence.
 
2012-08-26 01:04:48 PM

TheChadnt: The fact that there is even a story suggests that someone (perhaps the police) was pressuring the DA to prosecute.


In the original story, which detailed the arrest of the dooby eating dude, a police department spokesperson basically lauded the arresting officer for his ability to turn a loss of arresting for possession into a win for tampering with evidence. The DA had no choice but to examine the case, say WTF, and drop charges.
 
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