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2012-08-26 09:18:36 PM  

feckingmorons: You linked to Wikipedia, that is as authoritative as a comic book.

You don't have any cogent argument.


You don't have to go to wiki to learn about cointelpro. Like i said, i don't expect you to educate yourself and i sure as hell ain't going to do it.
 
2012-08-26 09:18:40 PM  

gimmegimme: feckingmorons: PsiChick: Yeah, how dare they demand affordable education, regulation for Wall Street, punishment for those who destroyed our economy, and a jobs market that holds real jobs.

Affordable education is available at many universities, education through high school is available free. Regulation from Wall Street - The Obama administration is not charging MF Global, Corzine or Goldman Sachsm and the jobs are disappearing because the uncertain tax positions and no budget in 3 years make businesses hesitant to make any investments in the US.

So if OWS is demonstrating against Obama good for them.

I don't think they could agree on decaf or regular coffee though, they are spoilt children.

When will they stop being un-American by challenging the status quo and protesting what they feel is injustice in society? George Washington would NEVER do that.


If they could decide on a cause it would be great. In Tampa they are upset that someone got pulled over for a traffic infraction and they want to shut down Bain Capital because it is Capitalist. Yet they spend the day in a private park paid for through the same Capitalism they hate so.

Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect. The campers in the park are just silly.
 
2012-08-26 09:19:26 PM  

gimmegimme: You think that a baby and a 17-year-old have the same sexual identity.


I never said that, I said they were both minor children.

I think you watch too much television.
 
2012-08-26 09:23:54 PM  

feckingmorons: Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect.


Are you even familiar with King's later works? Obviously not.
 
2012-08-26 09:24:51 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: PsiChick: Yeah, how dare they demand affordable education, regulation for Wall Street, punishment for those who destroyed our economy, and a jobs market that holds real jobs.

Affordable education is available at many universities, education through high school is available free. Regulation from Wall Street - The Obama administration is not charging MF Global, Corzine or Goldman Sachsm and the jobs are disappearing because the uncertain tax positions and no budget in 3 years make businesses hesitant to make any investments in the US.

So if OWS is demonstrating against Obama good for them.

I don't think they could agree on decaf or regular coffee though, they are spoilt children.

When will they stop being un-American by challenging the status quo and protesting what they feel is injustice in society? George Washington would NEVER do that.

If they could decide on a cause it would be great. In Tampa they are upset that someone got pulled over for a traffic infraction and they want to shut down Bain Capital because it is Capitalist. Yet they spend the day in a private park paid for through the same Capitalism they hate so.

Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect. The campers in the park are just silly.


Right-wingers often fail to understand that their lack of ability to google isn't someone else's fault. If you don't understand what the Occupy Movement is trying to change, then you are either too stupid to understand or being willfully ignorant.
 
2012-08-26 09:31:07 PM  

Magruda: feckingmorons: Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect.

Are you even familiar with King's later works? Obviously not.


Do you mean the poor people's campaign. Well that never came to fruition, and had it even if they were all drunk and blinded in one eye they would be more organized than the OWS clowns.
 
2012-08-26 09:32:24 PM  

gimmegimme: Right-wingers often fail to understand that their lack of ability to google isn't someone else's fault. If you don't understand what the Occupy Movement is trying to change, then you are either too stupid to understand or being willfully ignorant.


The can change at the jail, there is plenty of room for them when they start crapping on cop cars, pissing in the streets and raping the other unwashed people.
 
2012-08-26 09:35:19 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: Right-wingers often fail to understand that their lack of ability to google isn't someone else's fault. If you don't understand what the Occupy Movement is trying to change, then you are either too stupid to understand or being willfully ignorant.

The can change at the jail, there is plenty of room for them when they start crapping on cop cars, pissing in the streets and raping the other unwashed people.


Someday you will realize, much to your dismay, that the hippies were right in the 1960s, dirty as they may have been.

Unless you think it was worth pissing away blood and fortune in Vietnam and having war crimes committed in our name. If you're for American leaders committing war crimes, I mean...I don't know what else I can say.
 
2012-08-26 09:36:13 PM  

feckingmorons: Keizer_Ghidorah: I guess I'm just strange

I'll agree with that part.


Hey, you're the one who thinks 17-year-olds are the exact same as 2-year-olds both physically and mentally and should be treated as such and fark whatever they might have to think and say about the subject.

You can always write to the heads of states and tell them to stop being pedophiles and change the laws to protect the helpless unspoiled baby near-adults. Do it with the conservative states first, though, as a poster noted above they seem to like having the age of consent be lower than liberal states do.
 
2012-08-26 09:40:26 PM  

feckingmorons: Well that never came to fruition, and had it even if they were all drunk and blinded in one eye they would be more organized than the OWS clowns.


Well that's like your opinion based on nothing more than your speculation on a subject you know little to nothing about.
 
2012-08-26 09:44:21 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, you're the one who thinks 17-year-olds are the exact same as 2-year-olds both physically and mentally and should be treated as such and fark whatever they might have to think and say about the subject.


Would you be kind enough to link to where I said that. It might be hard to find since I never said that, but take your time.
 
2012-08-26 09:44:53 PM  

gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: Right-wingers often fail to understand that their lack of ability to google isn't someone else's fault. If you don't understand what the Occupy Movement is trying to change, then you are either too stupid to understand or being willfully ignorant.

The can change at the jail, there is plenty of room for them when they start crapping on cop cars, pissing in the streets and raping the other unwashed people.

Someday you will realize, much to your dismay, that the hippies were right in the 1960s, dirty as they may have been.

Unless you think it was worth pissing away blood and fortune in Vietnam and having war crimes committed in our name. If you're for American leaders committing war crimes, I mean...I don't know what else I can say.


This
 
2012-08-26 09:45:04 PM  

Magruda: feckingmorons: Well that never came to fruition, and had it even if they were all drunk and blinded in one eye they would be more organized than the OWS clowns.

Well that's like your opinion based on nothing more than your speculation on a subject you know little to nothing about.



Of which occupy movement are you part?
 
2012-08-26 09:46:22 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: PsiChick: Yeah, how dare they demand affordable education, regulation for Wall Street, punishment for those who destroyed our economy, and a jobs market that holds real jobs.

Affordable education is available at many universities, education through high school is available free. Regulation from Wall Street - The Obama administration is not charging MF Global, Corzine or Goldman Sachsm and the jobs are disappearing because the uncertain tax positions and no budget in 3 years make businesses hesitant to make any investments in the US.

So if OWS is demonstrating against Obama good for them.

I don't think they could agree on decaf or regular coffee though, they are spoilt children.

When will they stop being un-American by challenging the status quo and protesting what they feel is injustice in society? George Washington would NEVER do that.

If they could decide on a cause it would be great. In Tampa they are upset that someone got pulled over for a traffic infraction and they want to shut down Bain Capital because it is Capitalist. Yet they spend the day in a private park paid for through the same Capitalism they hate so.

Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect. The campers in the park are just silly.


Congratulations, you're an idiot.

It's not that Bain Capital is capitalist, it's that Bain Capital is a parasite. What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?

You cannot logically support the existence of companies like Bain, that kill American jobs by sending them overseas, while biatching about America's unemployment rate.
 
2012-08-26 09:48:33 PM  

feckingmorons: Magruda: feckingmorons: Well that never came to fruition, and had it even if they were all drunk and blinded in one eye they would be more organized than the OWS clowns.

Well that's like your opinion based on nothing more than your speculation on a subject you know little to nothing about.


Of which occupy movement are you part?


That's a wonderful question. When a group of people wishes to express dismay at government policy, they must align into a well-organized national group with a discernible leadership hierarchy. This is how all Fortune 500 companies work, and Occupy has borrowed that model. They've also followed the tradition of the American revolutionaries, who learned traditional war tactics from the Europeans and followed them to the letter with great success.
 
2012-08-26 09:49:41 PM  

feckingmorons: Of which occupy movement are you part?


None, i just follow it.
 
2012-08-26 09:54:55 PM  

feckingmorons: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, you're the one who thinks 17-year-olds are the exact same as 2-year-olds both physically and mentally and should be treated as such and fark whatever they might have to think and say about the subject.

Would you be kind enough to link to where I said that. It might be hard to find since I never said that, but take your time.


You've said it all thread with your "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!" and your "I don't care if it was consentual and he was of legal age, it's still pedophilia because the man was old!" ranting. That's your one note you've been bleating all thread.
 
2012-08-26 09:59:31 PM  

LordJiro: What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?


Profit for workers who have retirement funds. Jobs for thousands, and probably a restaurant or two you have eaten at this week. Outback, Carrabbas, Bonefish Grill, Roy's, Flemings, Dominos, DunkinDonuts, Baskin Robbins. Perhaps before you went to see a movie at AMC. There are hundreds of other firms in which Bain Capital (assuming you mean Bain Capital Private Equity).

More people have been fired from GM and Chrysler than Bain Capital ever pink slipped. As an example look at the WARN notices for Indiana (the first ones that came up in Google), see GM there over and over, see vendors to GM. Yes, time and time again you see people fired because of the government take over of GM.

Do you see any Bain Capital companies on there?

Facts really ruin things for you anti-Capitalists, don't they. I rebutted the lie filled article that started this thread, and I am now using facts to rebut your absurd arguments.

Life is not a political campaign ad.
 
2012-08-26 10:01:27 PM  
Link to the WARN notices, it was malformed and dropped it.


Here are Michigan's
 
2012-08-26 10:03:58 PM  

feckingmorons: Life is not a political campaign ad.


No, but your post is.

Keep sucking that Kock
 
2012-08-26 10:05:29 PM  

feckingmorons: LordJiro: What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?

Profit for workers who have retirement funds. Jobs for thousands, and probably a restaurant or two you have eaten at this week. Outback, Carrabbas, Bonefish Grill, Roy's, Flemings, Dominos, DunkinDonuts, Baskin Robbins. Perhaps before you went to see a movie at AMC. There are hundreds of other firms in which Bain Capital (assuming you mean Bain Capital Private Equity).

More people have been fired from GM and Chrysler than Bain Capital ever pink slipped. As an example look at the WARN notices for Indiana (the first ones that came up in Google), see GM there over and over, see vendors to GM. Yes, time and time again you see people fired because of the government take over of GM.

Do you see any Bain Capital companies on there?

Facts really ruin things for you anti-Capitalists, don't they. I rebutted the lie filled article that started this thread, and I am now using facts to rebut your absurd arguments.

Life is not a political campaign ad.


It's always amsuing and sad how people who think there should be a little more responsibility, accountability, and freedom are immediately denounced and demonized as "anti-whatever". A nice little evolution of the "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, THEN YOU'RE AGAINST US!" mindset.
 
2012-08-26 10:05:37 PM  

Magruda: feckingmorons: Life is not a political campaign ad.

No, but your post is.

Keep sucking that Kock Koch


FTFM
 
2012-08-26 10:10:57 PM  

Magruda: feckingmorons: Life is not a political campaign ad.

No, but your post is.

Keep sucking that Kock


That is it, that is all you have?

You've failed.
 
2012-08-26 10:20:08 PM  

feckingmorons: LordJiro: What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?

Profit for workers who have retirement funds. Jobs for thousands, and probably a restaurant or two you have eaten at this week. Outback, Carrabbas, Bonefish Grill, Roy's, Flemings, Dominos, DunkinDonuts, Baskin Robbins. Perhaps before you went to see a movie at AMC. There are hundreds of other firms in which Bain Capital (assuming you mean Bain Capital Private Equity).

More people have been fired from GM and Chrysler than Bain Capital ever pink slipped. As an example look at the WARN notices for Indiana (the first ones that came up in Google), see GM there over and over, see vendors to GM. Yes, time and time again you see people fired because of the government take over of GM.

Do you see any Bain Capital companies on there?

Facts really ruin things for you anti-Capitalists, don't they. I rebutted the lie filled article that started this thread, and I am now using facts to rebut your absurd arguments.

Life is not a political campaign ad.


Do you realize how many Dunkin' Donuts workers, for example, are on social services because they can't make ends meet on 8 dollars an hour? Are you honestly claiming that anyone but a 15-year-old kid living at home can pay their bills working at Dunkin' Donuts?
 
2012-08-26 10:40:35 PM  

gimmegimme: Do you realize how many Dunkin' Donuts workers, for example, are on social services because they can't make ends meet on 8 dollars an hour? Are you honestly claiming that anyone but a 15-year-old kid living at home can pay their bills working at Dunkin' Donuts?


So should they quit? You know the salaries of all the Donut places, wow you must be brilliant.

Your user name belies your sense of entitlement.
 
2012-08-26 11:09:31 PM  

gimmegimme: Have you considered the possibility that there are fewer "incidents" at tea party protests because they are armed and the OWS folks are pussies who lock arms and appeal to reason and the Constitution?


This is probably the closest thing to the truth although to be honest, I'd say that locking arms unarmed and having the strength of your convictions that the Constitution and the system will work out for you in the end is way less "pussy" than the grandstanding fundraisers that Teabaggers call protests where they wave around guns and threaten armed insurrection against things that aren't happening, completely on the side of the status quo with the backing of an entire political party and the media. Naive maybe, but not "pussy". Occupy for the most part is like a proto-Tienaman Square. But to be fair, Teabaggers aren't all talk either. They're just better at tactics. They make this great PR face, and then do things like burn down another religion's church, cut a Congressman's gas line, shoot up a Unitarian church because libs. That way they can say "hey look at all these peaceful rally guys. Even though it's calling for armed insurrection it's totally cool because the cops didn't deal with us." (while accomplishing militant activity like a terror cell where they can cover up a coordinated propaganda/action effort by just saying "lol isolated incident despite all the connections to previous rhetoric" ) but peaceful protests become "riots" because the cops decided to start an attack. It's using the same logic as a right wing South American country going "Look how well behaved these Contras are. Now look at these filthy leftist guerillas." or when KKK/neo-nazis are ignored/looked the other way at/assisted by police they can go "Hey man look at our civil white power rallies, and how we're not in jail. Not like those darkies and white guilt people".
And the status quo thing.
And Occupy can't go the gun route anyway. They're already being watched by an anti-Occupy Trapwire surveillance program meant to deconstruct it, been under a coordinated nationwide crackdown by police, and pretty much all but legally-declaed enemies of the state and domestic terrorists because their faces keep assaulting cop fists and boots. They'll up the repression in no time and use it as an excuse (not that they ever need one, but hey hearts and minds) to shut the whole thing down as domestic terrorism, especially since as I mentioned before, mainstream media is incapable of declaring police terrorism as violence. Meanwhile, locking arms, not letting yourself be kettled for a mass arrest and taking unmarked side routes, symbolic and minor property destruction is the greatest domestic threat to the nation and the height of violence.
We need a movement with the knowledge of the issues and of what's really going on, and decentralized/non-hierarchical principles that Occupy has, but with the militancy and tactical understanding of the Tea Party. As it is, the Tea Party is a bunch of misled and stupid rubes with fascist tendencies that would function as Contras or Brownshirts more than anything else. And a large part of Occupy akin to the Tienaman protesters with the naive belief that the system was actually supposed to work for us and that holding hands and playing nice for reform will do the trick (you don't ask or beg, you make or take; it's better to reclaim the commons or do things horizontally as a community on your own initiative than actually expect any politician, bureaucrat, or CEO to take your demands seriously. They didn't get to the top by saying "Sure yeah". They got there by "fark you I got mine and I don't play by the rules I make but I sure force others to"). I saw people at the NATO Summit who legitimately believed the cops wouldn't swing at them or fark with them outside the protest because they were in the "correct" crowd and being utterly polite. There are still people who believe if you just look good for the cameras, the media will be on your side. That's one reason, I'm mostly skeptical of claims of "agent provacateurs" because most of the time, cops can and will do the same thing without need of an excuse or facing anything other than a lawsuit later. But with every media lie and swung baton, I'm sure people are becoming less naive.
 
2012-08-26 11:10:06 PM  

Magruda: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Also, you're aware that there is no constitutionally-protected "right to protest", right?

This should end the conversation right here and solidify your status as a moron. Hint: it's in the 1st.


The constitution I was referring to was the US Constitution. Here's the first amendment from it:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see a "right to protest" anywhere within that. Which constitution were you referring to?

Snark aside, I'll assume you think the right to assemble and file a redress of grievances somehow means that all you have to do is say "I'm protesting by doing x" and that somehow makes "x" legal. It doesn't.
 
2012-08-26 11:13:12 PM  

feckingmorons: Magruda: feckingmorons: Life is not a political campaign ad.

No, but your post is.

Keep sucking that Kock

That is it, that is all you have?

You've failed.


Of course that's all they have. If they had facts on their side, they'd appeal to those.

/It's Koch Brothers, you mongoloid
 
2012-08-26 11:22:24 PM  
Oh jesus, I just realized this was crossposted to the Politics tab. No wonder it's drawn the intellectually inept from the woodwork. Carry on, tards.

wtfcontent.com
 
2012-08-26 11:25:05 PM  

feckingmorons: Affordable education is available at many universities


afeatheradrift.files.wordpress.com

What with all the jobs to pay for them. Unless you're suggesting being a indebtured servant to the banks and the fed.

feckingmorons: education through high school is available free.


Most of the Occupy protesters I know personally are post-college. HS graduate won't get you shiat, since a college degree (even in STEM fields) doesn't mean you're going to get a job.

feckingmorons: Regulation from Wall Street - The Obama administration is not charging MF Global, Corzine or Goldman Sachsm and the jobs are disappearing because the uncertain tax positions and no budget in 3 years make businesses hesitant to make any investments in the US.

So if OWS is demonstrating against Obama good for them.



Occupy has actually pointed out these issues. And Republicans share the blame. It was supply-side economics and Bush's policies that initially put us here. That and the whole debt ceiling fiasco ended with a downgrade specifically mentioning the Republican Party's actions in the legislature as a reason for the downgrade. Golden parachuting CEOs and companies like Bain haven't helped. Nor has outsourcing.
But yes, OWS is demonstrating against Obama a fair amount of the time. One thing Occupy has that the Tea Party doesn't is that Occupy is actually independent from both parties and does it's damnedest (and does pretty well) to not get co-opted. The Tea Party is pretty much just a subset of the Republican Party. Occupy refuses to play the game (which I think is a good decision). The Tea Party plays the game, but to be fair, they were already huge players. They had preset media and party infrastructure. So ironically, Occupy is risking everything for thinking outside the box and trying to do things decentralized/equal/bottom-up, while the Tea Party is not only playing the game with, they're doing it with no risk, and just riding others coattails to the top.
 
2012-08-26 11:31:45 PM  

feckingmorons: If they could decide on a cause it would be great. In Tampa they are upset that someone got pulled over for a traffic infraction and they want to shut down Bain Capital because it is Capitalist. Yet they spend the day in a private park paid for through the same Capitalism they hate so.

Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Concepcion Picciotto, Sr. Megan Rice... those are activists with a cause that we can all respect. The campers in the park are just silly.


It's decentralized for a purpose. It's a people's movement, which means whatever said people wanna focus on they do. People work at what they're dedicated to. And the symbiotic market/state relationship has colonized the globe and destroyed the commons. So they play the hands given to them/the positions they can. It's not like in a non-capitalist or non-propertarian society that park would just vanish into thin air. But due to government force on behalf of capitalists you have to play by the rules or take the risk of being physically assaulted. And your listed examples aren't universally respected or at least weren't always. And their causes were called silly too.
 
2012-08-26 11:37:49 PM  

gimmegimme: If you don't understand what the Occupy Movement is trying to change, then you are either too stupid to understand or being willfully ignorant.


Hey man, if there's a list of complex issues that the movement has the self-reflection to debate amongst themselves that range from local to global and it can't be summed up in a few bumper stickers then obviously they're speaking Klingon or being incoherent because I refuse to pay attention for more than five minutes. Clearly any mass political movement should be completely heterogenous and frozen in time so not to evolve their focus. Or they should only focus on one issue that Is The Cause Of All Our Problems at the expense of everything else. Because there's one isolated reason this all happens and not any sort of ecological chain of multiple fark-ups or anything.
And really, if people didn't get the point of OWS when it was literally just OWS and the message was super simplified, they're not going to take the time to understand once it's spread beyond that.
 
2012-08-26 11:40:37 PM  

LordJiro: It's not that Bain Capital is capitalist, it's that Bain Capital is a parasite. What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?


I don't know, that pretty much sums up alot of capitalism and "capitalists".
 
2012-08-27 12:04:28 AM  

m2313: LordJiro: It's not that Bain Capital is capitalist, it's that Bain Capital is a parasite. What does it produce, besides profit for a few already-wealthy individuals?

I don't know, that pretty much sums up alot of capitalism and "capitalists".


Properly executed, capitalism allows money to flow where it can make the most effect: i.e. where it can make the most additional money. Improperly executed, the money flows where it makes the most effect for a few people who happen to be touching the money at the time.

Squeeze down too hard, and new and innovative stuff has a hard time happening...loosen up too much and skimmers run wild. I think a bit of the problem in the last few decades has been the rise of computing, as this has led to so many kinds of groovy advances in all sorts of fields that laws/ethics/general societal understanding can't keep up. When these new things enter into our banking and money systems, it causes wide-ranging disruptions if we can't figure this shiat out.
 
2012-08-27 12:40:35 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Properly executed, capitalism allows money to flow where it can make the most effect: i.e. where it can make the most additional money. Improperly executed, the money flows where it makes the most effect for a few people who happen to be touching the money at the time.


And see, I think here lies my fundamental disagreement. You're right, in capitalism money just builds on money. It rewards the wealthy for already being so. But since I don't consider the greatest effect making a rich guy richer or having more currency it doesn't look that way to me. And I see these economic crises not as aberrations, but extreme examples of how inefficient distribution always is under this system. Consider that within miles of any homeless person is probably an abandoned house. Within miles of a hungry person with no money is probably a superstore or some food resource. Within miles of someone dying of a lack of treatment or insurance is a hospital with the appropriate tools. As you term it "improperly executed" is what I see the purpose and function of normal capitalism to be. I'd rather have Western style social democracy/capitalism than a centrally planned state socialist economy, but I think we can try and do better and go beyond that.

Bonzo_1116: Squeeze down too hard, and new and innovative stuff has a hard time happening...loosen up too much and skimmers run wild. I think a bit of the problem in the last few decades has been the rise of computing, as this has led to so many kinds of groovy advances in all sorts of fields that laws/ethics/general societal understanding can't keep up. When these new things enter into our banking and money systems, it causes wide-ranging disruptions if we can't figure this shiat out.


Eh, I think technology is just a tool. Big picture I consider it neutral, but since tech use isn't independent of the users, they take on the user's intentions and become an extension of them, hence not neutral.
But as with things such as scarcity and distribution, I don't believe we're waiting on the Jetson age of technology. Hell we could do fine with older forms of tech, if not uncomfortably. A changing revolution would be social not technological. It's more about social hierarchies and social ecology in my mind.

Granted, I'm anti-worker/boss division, but I'm not necessarily anti-market. Basically I don't see the capitalist market and state as competing wings of power, but as a cooperative symbiotic function meant to secure privilege for the few at the top in economic, social, and political spheres.
Libertarian socialist seems like a good way to describe it.
 
2012-08-27 12:43:47 AM  
One interesting idea would be to make money function more ecologically as opposed to this completely separate thing that can just accumulate on itself forever.
Maybe a demurrage system where you have to use it or lose it and keeps a steady cash flow and no one can hoard to one-up the other. Because economic inequality means social and political inequality as a result. They're not separate. Which is why I disagree with what most people call "libertarians".
 
2012-08-27 01:43:01 AM  


clowncar on fire: gimmegimme: clowncar on fire:
However, in real life, there are individuals in that crowd with darker thoughts of other than civil disobedience in mind. You have rock throwers, authority haters, window breakers, instigators, bullies, thieves, pushers, and a litany of other criminal element who are just there for the spectacle. These individuals - and the ones who have more often then not mistakenly alligned themselves with them-- are the ones you usually see getting tazed or pepper sprayed and hauled off.




You're leaving out provocateurs. Is this intentional?
 
2012-08-27 01:50:16 AM  
This thread has opened my eyes.

clowncar on fire is a terrible person who thinks that police brutality and disproportionate reaction are universally justified because of past instances of bad behavior in protests.
 
2012-08-27 02:21:52 AM  

clowncar on fire: And rightly so as this is a republican convention and is attended by republicans. But the same could be said about who will be out cruising for johns at the DNC.

You are also missing the demand for increase in skin traffic as a result of the influx of support staff, news staff, ... and protesters. Maybe all those protestors are out soliciting gay sex and not the visiting necessarily the republicans. Hmmmm.

Correlation/causation yada, yada, yada


As has been stated, THOSE people don't generally go cruising because they are not ashamed and afraid to go to a bar or a nightclub and take some hook-up to their hotel room.

The causative relationship is well-established, as is this one.

i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-27 02:22:35 AM  
i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-27 03:12:49 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Magruda: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Also, you're aware that there is no constitutionally-protected "right to protest", right?

This should end the conversation right here and solidify your status as a moron. Hint: it's in the 1st.

The constitution I was referring to was the US Constitution. Here's the first amendment from it:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see a "right to protest" anywhere within that. Which constitution were you referring to?

Snark aside, I'll assume you think the right to assemble and file a redress of grievances somehow means that all you have to do is say "I'm protesting by doing x" and that somehow makes "x" legal. It doesn't.


"You can exercise your right to free speech and grievances when we tell you, where we tell you, how we tell you, and why we tell you. Now get over there in the special pens we built for you to stand and exercise your rights away from everyone else."

Using you rlogic, we should brutally beat down and disperse all gatherings with a political bent that is even slightly negative, because it's not specifically in the Constitution (like a lot of other things that aren't specifically in there that we allow anyway) and therefore a threat to the country.
 
2012-08-27 03:15:26 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oh jesus, I just realized this was crossposted to the Politics tab. No wonder it's drawn the intellectually inept from the woodwork. Carry on, tards.

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You certainly didn't bring anything intelligent or meaningful to the discussion. Pretty ironic.
 
2012-08-27 06:38:02 AM  

feckingmorons: That is it, that is all you have?

You've failed.


This coming from the guy who dismisses cointelpro because i linked to it from wiki, they also have articles on the French Revolution, that does not mean it did not happen. The fact that you don't know anything about cointelpro means you are ignorant of the world around you.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Snark aside, I'll assume you think the right to assemble and file a redress of grievances somehow means that all you have to do is say "I'm protesting by doing x" and that somehow makes "x" legal. It doesn't.


The highest court in the land has already ruled on this. You don't know this yet are talking like you are informed on this subject. Democracy does not mean that your ignorance is just as important as my knowledge.
 
2012-08-27 06:46:08 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oh jesus, I just realized this was crossposted to the Politics tab. No wonder it's drawn the intellectually inept from the woodwork. Carry on, tards.


You didn't know that the supreme court has ruled that protest is protected under the 1st amendment... Yeah, you better run.
 
2012-08-27 07:24:09 AM  

feckingmorons: I never said it wasn't legal. I said it wasn't proper or moral. I said it was unfortunate it was not illegal, but with legislators having sex with 17 year olds what do you expect. In most states he would be in prison where he belongs.


Not to weigh in on this issue, but you're simply factually incorrect in your final statement... The most common age of consent in the USA is 16 (29 states + DC); 9 more states set it at 17; only 12 have it at 18... So, in only 12 states would it be a crime... Hardly "most states"...
 
2012-08-27 07:27:10 AM  

gimmegimme: Don't worry; the British were in the right. The American assholes were protesting in a non-sanctioned manner


YOu know that John Adams defended them and theough all of them were innocent, right?


The Boston Massacre was a study in bad publicity, not a demonstration British ruthlessness.

Magruda: Dumbass, the teabaggers have been co-opted by folks like the Kock brothers. They are/were aregueing for things that make rich people richer. You only get the blugeon when you go against the status quo


No. You get the bludgeon when you block streets without a permit, when you unilaterally "occupy" land, when you encircle cops and actively resist them from moving prisoners, etc.

I am far more sympathetic to the goals of OWS
 
2012-08-27 07:36:29 AM  

liam76: gimmegimme: Don't worry; the British were in the right. The American assholes were protesting in a non-sanctioned manner

YOu know that John Adams defended them and theough all of them were innocent, right?


The Boston Massacre was a study in bad publicity, not a demonstration British ruthlessness.Magruda: Dumbass, the teabaggers have been co-opted by folks like the Kock brothers. They are/were aregueing for things that make rich people richer. You only get the blugeon when you go against the status quo

No. You get the bludgeon when you block streets without a permit, when you unilaterally "occupy" land, when you encircle cops and actively resist them from moving prisoners, etc.

I am far more sympathetic to the goals of OWS


You are taking a side here, the cops say one thing the protesters say another and you believe the cops. Not to mention video evidence that supports the protesters. When you look at history it's hard not to believe the protesters.
 
2012-08-27 07:38:03 AM  

Magruda: liam76: gimmegimme: Don't worry; the British were in the right. The American assholes were protesting in a non-sanctioned manner

YOu know that John Adams defended them and theough all of them were innocent, right?


The Boston Massacre was a study in bad publicity, not a demonstration British ruthlessness.Magruda: Dumbass, the teabaggers have been co-opted by folks like the Kock brothers. They are/were aregueing for things that make rich people richer. You only get the blugeon when you go against the status quo

No. You get the bludgeon when you block streets without a permit, when you unilaterally "occupy" land, when you encircle cops and actively resist them from moving prisoners, etc.

I am far more sympathetic to the goals of OWS

You are taking a side here, the cops say one thing the protesters say another and you believe the cops. Not to mention video evidence that supports the protesters. When you look at history it's hard not to believe the protesters.


I think you're forgetting the struggle that Tubby McPepperSpray has gone through. Not only did he sprain his wrist shaking the can of pepper spray, but he has been placed on paid administrative leave for MONTHS. Can you imagine? Getting paid, but having no responsibilities?
 
2012-08-27 07:38:19 AM  

Magruda: The highest court in the land has already ruled on this. You don't know this yet are talking like you are informed on this subject. Democracy does not mean that your ignorance is just as important as my knowledge


Yes, and they have consistently supported time, place, manner restrictions.

I woudl love for you to find me one case where an otherwise illegal action has been deemed "legal" because it was a protest. Or better yet picture a system where that was the case, and authorities always respected that rule (an illegal action becomes legal whenit is a protest). What woudl stop everyone from breaking the law and claiming it was a protest?
 
2012-08-27 07:45:48 AM  

liam76: Magruda: The highest court in the land has already ruled on this. You don't know this yet are talking like you are informed on this subject. Democracy does not mean that your ignorance is just as important as my knowledge

Yes, and they have consistently supported time, place, manner restrictions.

I woudl love for you to find me one case where an otherwise illegal action has been deemed "legal" because it was a protest. Or better yet picture a system where that was the case, and authorities always respected that rule (an illegal action becomes legal whenit is a protest). What woudl stop everyone from breaking the law and claiming it was a protest?


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/jun/20/tdmain01-charges-may-be -dropped-in-abortion-rights-ar-1999966/

That was actually quite easy, surprised you could not do that for yourself.
 
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