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2012-08-26 01:17:13 PM  

A Terrible Human: pdkl95: - HST, in "Hell's Angels"

I still need to read that and dammit I wish he were alive for this election. I really want someone to accuse Romney of being an ibogaine addict.


I never reported that Muskie was an Ibogaine addict. I reported that there was a rumor going around that he was, which was true. I started the rumor.

/Paraphrasing
 
2012-08-26 01:17:19 PM  

Magruda: History is full of police abuse when it comes to protest, you need only look to the amount of money St. Paul had to fork out due to lawsuits resulting from the last RNC convension where the police state cracked down.


thecloud.crimethinc.com
 
2012-08-26 01:18:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: So it makes sense to release known criminals to make room for perceived ones?



CHARGE: ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE/POSSESSION BY A MINOR
BOND: 500 
CHARGE: BATTERY/POLICE OFFICER/FIREFIGHTER/INTAKE OFFICER
BOND: 5000

She still must pay the bond.
 
2012-08-26 01:19:10 PM  
I would like to think that it's very telling when a political organization fears protestors more than convicted criminals.
 
2012-08-26 01:24:09 PM  

m2313: Magruda: History is full of police abuse when it comes to protest, you need only look to the amount of money St. Paul had to fork out due to lawsuits resulting from the last RNC convension where the police state cracked down.

[thecloud.crimethinc.com image 800x505]


Is that from the Onion?
 
2012-08-26 01:24:16 PM  
"Agitators and Anarchists." Sounds like cop foreplay before an orgy of violence to me.

Also, that's a real interesting term for a bunch of liberals holding signs, which is mostly what your'e going to see.
 
2012-08-26 01:26:49 PM  

leonel: I would like to think that it's very telling when a political organization fears protestors more than convicted criminals.


Do you have any evidence that they're releasing convicted criminals? Most of the inmates at Orient Road are awaiting trial.
 
2012-08-26 01:27:19 PM  

Magruda: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win."

― Mahatma Gandhi


Ghandi wasn't the only one to be in the that movement, he was right next to and assisted by people much more violent, also the situations are completely different.
Gandhian strategies have not historically worked in the US; in fact, they haven't really worked on a mass scale since the civil rights movement. This is because the US media is simply constitutionally incapable of reporting acts of police repression as "violence." (One reason the civil rights movement was an exception is so many Americans at the time didn't view the Deep South as part of the same country.) Many of the young men and women who formed the famous Black Bloc in Seattle were in fact eco-activists who had been involved in tree-sits and forest defense lock-downs that operated on purely Gandhian principles-only to find that in the US of the 1990s, non-violent protesters could be brutalized, tortured (have pepper spray directly rubbed in their eyes), or even killed, without serious objection from the national media. So they turned to other tactics.
Nonviolence in terms of complete pacifism is a tactical thing for the cameras to counter the propaganda on the media. But otherwise it's just silly moralism and akin to thinking God will save you cause you did everything right. Not saying preemptive violence is justified (although I'm sure they're hiring riot police if you're into that) , but if it's self-defense against people assaulting you with tear gas, pepper spray, beanbag shotguns, beatings, batons, well go for it.
 
2012-08-26 01:28:35 PM  

clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.


i860.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-26 01:29:39 PM  

smitty04: Fart_Machine: So it makes sense to release known criminals to make room for perceived ones?


CHARGE: ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE/POSSESSION BY A MINOR
BOND: 500 
CHARGE: BATTERY/POLICE OFFICER/FIREFIGHTER/INTAKE OFFICER
BOND: 5000

She still must pay the bond.


Citing a "stand your ground law" against a LEO?

Priceless.
 
2012-08-26 01:32:09 PM  

m2313: Gandhian strategies have not historically worked in the US; in fact, they haven't really worked on a mass scale since the civil rights movement.


I remember the XL pipeline being shut down last year. I also remember OWS changing the national debate to one of inequality. Depends on what you think of as "working" and i guess the media you adhere too.
 
2012-08-26 01:35:44 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]


Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

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blog.reidreport.com

restoretheconstitution.files.wordpress.com

cdn.obrag.org

middleofthefreakinroad.files.wordpress.com

latftp.files.wordpress.com 

joshtom.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-26 01:52:03 PM  
While it may be true that what you describe has happened, the majority... the VAST majority... as in over 98%... of people getting dragged away in hand cuffs were the result of the protesters themselves following the age old idea of provoke a response, get a response, whine about the response. These events turn in to problems because the people who showed up at them came to create problems. They're not there to simply stand in an orderly fashion holding signs and following the rules, they're there to create as much chaos and trouble as they can, and then whine like small children when somebody tells them they can't.

Do they like pay you to spout that shiat?
 
2012-08-26 01:54:22 PM  

shotglasss: enry: shotglasss: gimmegimme: enry: Hobodeluxe: shotglasss: GAT_00: Just how bad of a person am I for kinda hoping a RNC delegate has a crime committed upon them because of this?

That makes you normal for a liberal.

the difference is the self awareness. a "conservative" would never worry about how bad a person they might be for thinking the same thing about a liberal

And get applause at an RNC debate.

Hey, don't stereotype. Sometimes GOP audiences boo. Like when they see a gay soldier.

Liberal audiences boo, too. Like when they see an American flag that isn't burning.

[citation needed]

Here you go.


Except she's saying "I wonder, did they fly that flag [over the Capitol]?"
 
2012-08-26 01:57:23 PM  

Magruda: clowncar on fire: How are you defining unprovoked?

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That was in the liberal utopia of California. Florida is not California.
 
2012-08-26 02:02:07 PM  

feckingmorons: Magruda: clowncar on fire: How are you defining unprovoked?

[ournewsviews.com image 375x267]

That was in the liberal utopia of California. Florida is not California.


I live in Tampa so i know, it's worse.
 
2012-08-26 02:03:25 PM  

gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: What right do you have to judge consensual sex between two people who know what they are getting into? Minnesota law does not agree with you that a 17-year-old is a child. Why do you hate personal responsibility and accountability?

No Minnesota does agree that a 17 year old is a child. If there were pictures taken of their rest stop liason it would be a felony because the 17 year old is a child. You seem to have the age of consent confused with the age of majority. Had he crossed state lines he would be facing federal charges, however this dirty old pervert got lucky - or is very practiced in soliciting children for sex online and knows the law all too well.

Just to be clear, you are defending a 56 year old man who made arrangements over the Internet to sodomize a 17 year old boy in a public area at an interstate rest stop. You're OK with that right?

No, I am striking against your Puritanical bullshiat tone.

Are you posting from the Miniluv?

I don't actually have any idea what you are talking about. I simply find 56 year old men meeting children for sex at rest stops repulsive. Apparently you don't.

The reference comes from the book Nineteen Hundred Eighty-Four by George Orwell. You should read it. You may even be inspired to start a chapter of the Junior Anti-Sex League.


You seem to think perversions involving children are OK. How does your family and how do your neighbors feel about your views on child sex?

Is this something you enjoy personally?
 
2012-08-26 02:05:03 PM  

Magruda: feckingmorons: Magruda: clowncar on fire: How are you defining unprovoked?

[ournewsviews.com image 375x267]

That was in the liberal utopia of California. Florida is not California.

I live in Tampa so i know, it's worse.


Really, what is worse? Do you know Chief Castor? Have you worked for Tampa Police Department? Are you with the HSCO?

How is it worse? Tampa, and Hillsborough county have hard working professional police officers and deputies. They have never used chemical agents on people staging a sit in.
 
2012-08-26 02:08:59 PM  

PsiChick: feckingmorons: PsiChick: Happy Hours: This is bullshiat- if the convention were in Denver I'd show up to protest but not necessarily in line with the Occupy people. I'd like to protest the fact that the Republican party has gone batshiat insane and no longer represent the values of true conservatives.

Fark Romney and the other idiots they considered nominating this year.

Where the hell is this OWS stuff coming from? They've fizzled out already. The entire place is going to be people like you, or liberals agreeing with you.

/You guys won. OWS is completely irrelevant. Good job. Now please STFU about it, we don't need another boogieman. We've got enough already.

OWS is still in Tampa, has been for months. They stay in a private park owned by a notorious strip club owner. He will be clearing them out as of September 15th however. Even the most vocal proponents of free speech get tired of their nonsense eventually.

Fecking, I might acknowledge that OWS is no longer relevant, but they had a damn good point--our current economy is not sustainable. That is by no means nonsensical, and I don't particularly care who owns the land they occupy, even if you try to use big-kid words like 'notorious'.

/And, what, he's infamous for owning strip clubs? I live in NV. That entire concept is laughable. You might as well call someone infamous for owning a strip mall.


He also runs for office periodically, gets arrested periodically (at last count he says more than 150 times) and is a stuanch advocate for the First Amendment. The criminal behavior is what makes him infamous.
 
2012-08-26 02:11:01 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: What right do you have to judge consensual sex between two people who know what they are getting into? Minnesota law does not agree with you that a 17-year-old is a child. Why do you hate personal responsibility and accountability?

No Minnesota does agree that a 17 year old is a child. If there were pictures taken of their rest stop liason it would be a felony because the 17 year old is a child. You seem to have the age of consent confused with the age of majority. Had he crossed state lines he would be facing federal charges, however this dirty old pervert got lucky - or is very practiced in soliciting children for sex online and knows the law all too well.

Just to be clear, you are defending a 56 year old man who made arrangements over the Internet to sodomize a 17 year old boy in a public area at an interstate rest stop. You're OK with that right?

No, I am striking against your Puritanical bullshiat tone.

Are you posting from the Miniluv?

I don't actually have any idea what you are talking about. I simply find 56 year old men meeting children for sex at rest stops repulsive. Apparently you don't.

The reference comes from the book Nineteen Hundred Eighty-Four by George Orwell. You should read it. You may even be inspired to start a chapter of the Junior Anti-Sex League.

You seem to think perversions involving children are OK. How does your family and how do your neighbors feel about your views on child sex?

Is this something you enjoy personally?


You seem to think five-year-olds and seventeen-year-olds are the same.

Is the ad hominem something you enjoy personally?
 
2012-08-26 02:13:44 PM  

Fart_Machine: So it makes sense to release known criminals to make room for perceived ones?


One is not a criminal until conviction. The people released on bond or ROR were not convicted of the crimes with which they were charged and for which they were jailed.

No convicted criminals were released. The article is purposefully misleading.

Is it not wise to prepare to expedite arrestee's processing through jail so they can be out as quickly as possible. The jail didn't arrest them, they simply have to process them, apply the scheduled bond and if necessary hold a bond hearing or advisory hearing - all process improvements that have been set up to help defendants so they don't have to sit in jail.

The trials for those accused most probably will not start until 2013, would you want to wait in jail that long, or would you like to be out in a few hours?
 
2012-08-26 02:19:28 PM  
To put the matter in perspective the Charlotte - Mecklenburg County jail will be adding staff, taking magistrates away from their regular duties to conduct first appearance hearings, and canceling leave for police and court personnel in order to properly process all those arrested during the DNC.

Preparation is key to operational efficiency that protects the rights of those arrested and avoids unnecessary detention. Tampa and Charlotte are doing the right things to keep people out of jail, and yet for the small minded it is some grand conspiracy.
 
2012-08-26 02:21:08 PM  

feckingmorons: PsiChick: feckingmorons: PsiChick: Happy Hours:

/And, what, he's infamous for owning strip clubs? I live in NV. That entire concept is laughable. You might as well call someone infamous for owning a strip mall.

He also runs for office periodically, gets arrested periodically (at last count he says more than 150 times) and is a stuanch advocate for the First Amendment. The criminal behavior is what makes him infamous.


Someday, fecking, remind me to introduce you to the term 'loaded language', and when it is or isn't appropriate to use.

/Hint: I don't give a rat's ass what the owner of the park OWS is camped in is like when you're talking about OWS.
//Also: That's not 'infamous'. That's just 'your average weirdo'.
 
2012-08-26 02:23:14 PM  

gimmegimme: You seem to think five-year-olds and seventeen-year-olds are the same.


They're both children.

How would you feel if your son or daughter who wasn't old enough to vote or buy a pack of smokes was solicited online by a pervert for an illicit assignation in a public toilet? Be they five or 17, I would still be outraged that scum like the Democratic representative from Minnesota was trolling for oral sex from children.

Minnesota has some strange laws that allow 56 year old men to have sex with seventeen year old boys in public. With legislators like Kerry Gauthier making the laws it is no surprise.
 
2012-08-26 02:27:18 PM  

PsiChick: Someday, fecking, remind me to introduce you to the term 'loaded language', and when it is or isn't appropriate to use.


I'm quite comfortable with my use of language, thanks.

If you don't like it talk to the makers of the movie Strip Club King, they called him infamous long before I did.

Loaded language is simply things you don't like. Redner while admirably an advocate of the First Amendment is a scumbag who exploits women for his personal gain.

OWS are simply social misfits who can't hold a job and expect their every need to be catered to by others at no cost or burden to them. I hold them in the greatest contempt. They are also an ineffective political movement.
 
2012-08-26 02:31:01 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: You seem to think five-year-olds and seventeen-year-olds are the same.

They're both children.

How would you feel if your son or daughter who wasn't old enough to vote or buy a pack of smokes was solicited online by a pervert for an illicit assignation in a public toilet? Be they five or 17, I would still be outraged that scum like the Democratic representative from Minnesota was trolling for oral sex from children.

Minnesota has some strange laws that allow 56 year old men to have sex with seventeen year old boys in public. With legislators like Kerry Gauthier making the laws it is no surprise.


You seem to think that it's unusual for seventeen-year-olds to have sex with people who are older.

Check out this documentary about the evils of pedophilia: 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-26 02:31:27 PM  

gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:











 


They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.
 
2012-08-26 02:36:29 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.


How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?
 
2012-08-26 02:37:50 PM  
Are similar protests, civil disobedience, riots, and rampant criminality anticipated at the DNC convention in cHARLOTte?

Or are republicans the "party of peace"?
 
2012-08-26 02:41:11 PM  

gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: You seem to think five-year-olds and seventeen-year-olds are the same.

They're both children.

How would you feel if your son or daughter who wasn't old enough to vote or buy a pack of smokes was solicited online by a pervert for an illicit assignation in a public toilet? Be they five or 17, I would still be outraged that scum like the Democratic representative from Minnesota was trolling for oral sex from children.

Minnesota has some strange laws that allow 56 year old men to have sex with seventeen year old boys in public. With legislators like Kerry Gauthier making the laws it is no surprise.

You seem to think that it's unusual for seventeen-year-olds to have sex with people who are older.

Check out this documentary about the evils of pedophilia: 

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x293]


Many states have laws that while not condoning sex between children, or children and adults not much older than them (AKA the five year rule). These are reasonable accommodations in the law based upon today's social mores.

This pervert is more than three times the age of the child he solicited online and met at a public toilet for sex. That is simply disgusiting, legal, but disgusting. He is the cover photo for NABMLA magazine, luring a child for sex via the Internet.

If you want to support that sort of thing go right ahead, but don't be surprised when I think you're sick.
 
2012-08-26 02:41:47 PM  

Amos Quito: Are similar protests, civil disobedience, riots, and rampant criminality anticipated at the DNC convention in cHARLOTte?

Or are republicans the "party of peace"?


Yes, see my above post about similar measures being taken in preparation for the DNC.
 
2012-08-26 02:44:28 PM  

feckingmorons: Amos Quito: Are similar protests, civil disobedience, riots, and rampant criminality anticipated at the DNC convention in cHARLOTte?

Or are republicans the "party of peace"?

Yes, see my above post about similar measures being taken in preparation for the DNC.



Looks like people are getting fed up all around.

I see this as progress - in a Jeffersonian sort of way.
 
2012-08-26 02:50:50 PM  
Every bit of public land should be a "free speech zone". The fact they set up protest areas is just disgusting. As long as the protestor is not violating a law by protesting (i.e. disrupting traffic by standing in the middle of the street), they have every right to protest on any public owned land for any reason they want.
 
2012-08-26 02:52:52 PM  

machoprogrammer: Every bit of public land should be a "free speech zone". The fact they set up protest areas is just disgusting. As long as the protestor is not violating a law by protesting (i.e. disrupting traffic by standing in the middle of the street), they have every right to protest on any public owned land for any reason they want.


Did anyone ever go to court to protest Bush the Lesser's "Free Speech Zones" during his campaign and tenure?
 
2012-08-26 02:54:21 PM  

gimmegimme: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.

How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?


I was responding to the photos of the teabaggers you posted, along with your comment about them not being pepper sprayed.

The Irvine protestors didn't throw poop, however they did block a walkway that students were trying to use and they were causing a safety hazard, and they did not comply with several requests to move from the walkway.
 
2012-08-26 02:57:32 PM  

feckingmorons: I've debunked the hyperbole of the linked article so now the only response is there might be closeted gay people. Yes, there might be, but is it proper to vilify people because of their sexual orientation? Wasn't Anderson Cooper closeted until recently?

The Log Cabin Republicans are having a social hour this evening in Ybor city, so I am fairly certain gay Republicans will be represented at the convention. Probably left handed people too!

Oh, and the rest stop sexual tryst with a minor child arranged online by a legislator was a Democrat, but they won't file charges because it is OK to sodomize 17 year olds you meet on the internet in Minnesota.

So, constantly means what in your book?


Over the age of consent, yet still considered a minor. So he's old enough to legally have sex but still young enough to be punished for it. You're old enough to vote, die for the country, and drive a car at 18, but you're still a child until 21 when it comes to smoking and drinking.

Anyone else think that this is a very convoluted and nonsensical web of contradictions?
 
2012-08-26 02:57:40 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: gimmegimme: You seem to think five-year-olds and seventeen-year-olds are the same.

They're both children.

How would you feel if your son or daughter who wasn't old enough to vote or buy a pack of smokes was solicited online by a pervert for an illicit assignation in a public toilet? Be they five or 17, I would still be outraged that scum like the Democratic representative from Minnesota was trolling for oral sex from children.

Minnesota has some strange laws that allow 56 year old men to have sex with seventeen year old boys in public. With legislators like Kerry Gauthier making the laws it is no surprise.

You seem to think that it's unusual for seventeen-year-olds to have sex with people who are older.

Check out this documentary about the evils of pedophilia: 

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x293]

Many states have laws that while not condoning sex between children, or children and adults not much older than them (AKA the five year rule). These are reasonable accommodations in the law based upon today's social mores.

This pervert is more than three times the age of the child he solicited online and met at a public toilet for sex. That is simply disgusiting, legal, but disgusting. He is the cover photo for NABMLA magazine, luring a child for sex via the Internet.

If you want to support that sort of thing go right ahead, but don't be surprised when I think you're sick.


You seem to want the law to adhere to your personal sense of morality. Sorry, but these two things are not the same, either legally or morally:

4.bp.blogspot.com

static.tvguide.com 

We agree that the
 
2012-08-26 02:59:02 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.

How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?

I was responding to the photos of the teabaggers you posted, along with your comment about them not being pepper sprayed.

The Irvine protestors didn't throw poop, however they did block a walkway that students were trying to use and they were causing a safety hazard, and they did not comply with several requests to move from the walkway.


ZOMG! I don't want to have to walk 50 extra feet because other people are exercising their First Amendment rights.

What kind of American are you?
 
2012-08-26 03:00:19 PM  

machoprogrammer: Every bit of public land should be a "free speech zone". The fact they set up protest areas is just disgusting. As long as the protestor is not violating a law by protesting (i.e. disrupting traffic by standing in the middle of the street), they have every right to protest on any public owned land for any reason they want.


It is. However some other people asked to use it first - so first come first served. Protesters have reserved spots for themselves as well, there was an application process -again first come first served several months ago. My co-worker's church group got a nice close public lot.
 
2012-08-26 03:05:34 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: So he's old enough to legally have sex but still young enough to be punished for it.


The child wouldn't be punished. The ostensibly responsible adult, in this case a disgusting pervert elected representative, who preys on children on the internet would be the one charged with a crime if Minnesota had laws that the majority of states have regarding child predation.

The laws you cite are exactly the reason old men should not be meeting boys for sex, the children are not able to fully understand the consequences of their actions, they can't drink responsibly, they can't fully grasp the dangers of tobacco use, and they don't realize the danger of meeting perverts in the park for anonymous sex.

The guy is a child molester, the fact that the state's laws don't recognize that is unfortunate, but it is no less true.
 
2012-08-26 03:08:35 PM  

gimmegimme: We agree that the


We agree that you are an apologist for a child molester. Is that what you were trying to say?

If the 17 year old were having an assignation with an 18, or even a 20 year old that could be understood, but to suggest that there was not implied or even explicit coercion by a man more than three times as old as the child is simply absurd. The guy is a predator in my opinion.
 
2012-08-26 03:11:45 PM  

feckingmorons: gimmegimme: We agree that the

We agree that you are an apologist for a child molester. Is that what you were trying to say?

If the 17 year old were having an assignation with an 18, or even a 20 year old that could be understood, but to suggest that there was not implied or even explicit coercion by a man more than three times as old as the child is simply absurd. The guy is a predator in my opinion.


Wouldn't your decision depend on the municipality?
 
2012-08-26 03:13:19 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: feckingmorons: I've debunked the hyperbole of the linked article so now the only response is there might be closeted gay people. Yes, there might be, but is it proper to vilify people because of their sexual orientation? Wasn't Anderson Cooper closeted until recently?

The Log Cabin Republicans are having a social hour this evening in Ybor city, so I am fairly certain gay Republicans will be represented at the convention. Probably left handed people too!

Oh, and the rest stop sexual tryst with a minor child arranged online by a legislator was a Democrat, but they won't file charges because it is OK to sodomize 17 year olds you meet on the internet in Minnesota.

So, constantly means what in your book?

Over the age of consent, yet still considered a minor. So he's old enough to legally have sex but still young enough to be punished for it. You're old enough to vote, die for the country, and drive a car at 18, but you're still a child until 21 when it comes to smoking and drinking.

Anyone else think that this is a very convoluted and nonsensical web of contradictions?


'Tis.

If someone is old enough to vote, join the military, drive a car, own a car, play the lottery, buy quality reading material at their local newsstand and smoke tobacco, why shouldn't they be allowed to drink?

An easy way to lower the number of college kids who die from binge drinking would be to lower the drinking age. If they didn't have to worry about getting arrested for drinking booze or even having a bottle in their possession, they're less likely to drink more than they should in one sitting just for the sake of thumbing their nose at the law; likewise, they're less likely to down a fifth of 151 in one go on their 21st birthday while surrounded by a bunch of college-age drunks if they can legally have a beer or two on their 18th birthday while surrounded by family.
 
2012-08-26 03:17:37 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

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Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.

How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?

I was responding to the photos of the teabaggers you posted, along with your comment about them not being pepper sprayed.

The Irvine protestors didn't throw poop, however they did block a walkway that students were trying to use and they were causing a safety hazard, and they did not comply with several requests to move from the walkway.


They were there on a day with no classes, and anyone who needed to get to the buildings could take three steps to the side and walk past on the grass.
 
2012-08-26 03:18:46 PM  

gimmegimme: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.

How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?


Interesting thing about locking your arms together is that you now become a co-conspirator should anyone in your chain resist arrest.
 
2012-08-26 03:23:58 PM  
Insane.

However, to be fair, the full police blurb is here and has important distinctions in it:

Tactically, we are ready. Security plans for the venue and the perimeters are set. Boundaries, protests zones and parade routes are established for the thousands expected in downtown Tampa. This is a special time for local civic pride as Tampa Bay gets ready to shine. To the agitators and anarchists who want only to bring a dark cloud to this event, let me be clear: criminal activity and civil disturbances will not be tolerated and enforcement actions will be swift.
 

One expects arrests at such things as people will, inevitably, break the law at such mass gatherings. So intentionally, some not.

But letting go of criminals to make way for more criminals (who will probably mostly be misdemeanor offenses)? Somehow I don't think the systems working as intended.
 
2012-08-26 03:26:07 PM  

feckingmorons: Keizer_Ghidorah: So he's old enough to legally have sex but still young enough to be punished for it.

The child wouldn't be punished. The ostensibly responsible adult, in this case a disgusting pervert elected representative, who preys on children on the internet would be the one charged with a crime if Minnesota had laws that the majority of states have regarding child predation.

The laws you cite are exactly the reason old men should not be meeting boys for sex, the children are not able to fully understand the consequences of their actions, they can't drink responsibly, they can't fully grasp the dangers of tobacco use, and they don't realize the danger of meeting perverts in the park for anonymous sex.

The guy is a child molester, the fact that the state's laws don't recognize that is unfortunate, but it is no less true.


I love how people think that chidren and teenagers are completely naive, stupid, and helpless until they reach a magic number and suddenly magically become filled with wisdom, knowledge, and responsibility (for most things, they're still stupid baby children for alcohol and smoking until another magic number). You and your ilk are so concerned about the plights of near-adults that you can't see them as anything but frightened six-year-olds who need constant protection.

Your constant foaming at the mouth with calling the man every horrible word you can think of only shows that you can't think rationally about this.
 
2012-08-26 03:28:13 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gimmegimme: Lee Jackson Beauregard: clowncar on fire: Protest signs are a valid form of free speech unless you include any of Carlin's seven deadly words, pictures of guns and hang nooses, or out and out promises of threat.

[i860.photobucket.com image 236x300]

Shoot. I skipped that part of his stupidity. What about protestors who bring ACTUAL GUNS and other weapons in addition to simply bringing signs?

Look at all of these assholes who were undoubtedly pepper sprayed:

 

They weren't pepper sprayed because they weren't being purposefully antagonistic towards the police. They didn't hurl bags of poop or bottles, and they obeyed police orders.

How could the Irvine victims throw poop with their arms locked together?

I was responding to the photos of the teabaggers you posted, along with your comment about them not being pepper sprayed.

The Irvine protestors didn't throw poop, however they did block a walkway that students were trying to use and they were causing a safety hazard, and they did not comply with several requests to move from the walkway.

They were there on a day with no classes, and anyone who needed to get to the buildings could take three steps to the side and walk past on the grass.


If we are referring to the protestors sitting abreast the walkway- 1) they should have kept moving. I know it takes a little work to keep pumping those legs, but at least you're not intentionally blocking a route, no matter how easy you believe it is to just go arround you 2) they are seated abreast for maximum inconvenience so there is intent to obstruct a walkway. Otherwise, wouln't have been more fun just to sit in a circle and having staring contests when things got boring. They also had the option of sitting side by side along the direction of the path rather than perpendicular to it. Again indicates conspiracy to obstruct 3) they had the option to stand up and move along rather than get paper sprayed 4) most importantly- now they famous!
 
2012-08-26 03:32:00 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Insane.

However, to be fair, the full police blurb is here and has important distinctions in it:

Tactically, we are ready. Security plans for the venue and the perimeters are set. Boundaries, protests zones and parade routes are established for the thousands expected in downtown Tampa. This is a special time for local civic pride as Tampa Bay gets ready to shine. To the agitators and anarchists who want only to bring a dark cloud to this event, let me be clear: criminal activity and civil disturbances will not be tolerated and enforcement actions will be swift. 

One expects arrests at such things as people will, inevitably, break the law at such mass gatherings. Some intentionally, some not.

But letting go of criminals to make way for more criminals (who will probably mostly be misdemeanor offenses)? Somehow I don't think the systems working as intended.


Fixed that for...you know...that whole making sense thing...
 
2012-08-26 03:34:31 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: TheGogmagog: [i630.photobucket.com image 318x476]

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/Not sure what the photoshopped symbol on the grill is, a militarized free speech unit is scary enough. 
//I suppose I could always host my own material.


I hope the bad Cobra photoshop is to distract from a more careful job done on "free speech unit".


Since the internet knows all, here is the original, it is from Oakland PD, known for a particularly brutal relationship with the local populace (lotta riots, lotta crackdowns you can "chicken or egg" beyond the civil rights days for who started it but the cops are keeping it going).

Apparently the REAL logo is Blackwater, go figure.
 
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