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(Daily Mail)   Photo of London cop's clipboard reveals top secret plans for Julian Assange   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 98
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2012-08-26 12:26:03 AM
The British Government has threatened, under a 1987 Act, to enter the embassy and arrest the 41-year-old

Does anybody really still think this is about some shaky sexual assault charges?
 
2012-08-26 12:56:35 AM
Better question, are you foolish enough to assume anyone ever did?
 
2012-08-26 01:11:19 AM
They did the same thing to Scott Ritter...
 
2012-08-26 02:51:49 AM
At least they're honest about it.
 
2012-08-26 04:59:55 AM
Assange is awesome. More power to him.
 
2012-08-26 05:07:21 AM
The Elites are really, REALLLLLLY buttmad that their hijinks have been exposed for all the proles & drones to see.
 
2012-08-26 05:07:22 AM
Does anyone else think this is going to end in a huge diplomatic incident?
 
2012-08-26 05:09:19 AM
The best thing for Wikileaks would be for Assange to quietly have a heart attack and die.

They've turned into a high level propaganda machine, pumping out daft nonsense on their Facebook page about how evil Sweden is and how lovely and cuddly Ecuador is.
 
2012-08-26 05:09:41 AM

Fail in Human Form: Does anyone else think this is going to end in a huge diplomatic incident?


With warships and warplanes and boots on ground?
 
2012-08-26 05:12:40 AM
I don't see what's so top secret about it. That's exactly what you'd expect their orders to be.
 
2012-08-26 05:13:20 AM
What if Assange spends the rest of his life hiding in the Ecuador embassy?

/cause that would be pretty funny
 
2012-08-26 05:13:57 AM
This is a surprise? That they will detain him if he leaves the embassy when he has been given no diplomatic credentials giving him immunity when he is on British soil? That's got to be the worst example of "Top Secret" that I've ever seen, and I've seen the Val Kilmer movie.
 
2012-08-26 05:14:28 AM

TV's Vinnie: The Elites are really, REALLLLLLY buttmad that their hijinks have been exposed for all the proles & drones to see.



Wouldn't it be nice if he could orchestrate all that kind of stuff from his room in there? Forever? No one could touch him. I'm sure he has net access somehow.
 
2012-08-26 05:16:18 AM

Sgygus: What if Assange spends the rest of his life hiding in the Ecuador embassy?


Then he'll get a Fark account.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:16 AM
No way this was top secret information... Nobody gives top secret information to a cop... This photo proves why!
 
2012-08-26 05:18:28 AM

fusillade762: Does anybody really still think this is about some shaky sexual assault charges?


Only the frenzied bunch who believe he's a spy and should die. Oh, and those who equate any accusation of sexual misconduct with hide-in-the-bushes rapists. That group thinks he's the devil and attacks anyone who dares suggest there's anything odd about the unprecedented overreaction by both the Swedes and the UK.

You're not wrong when you describe the allegations against him as shaky. One of the accusers continued to sleep in Assange's bed for a week after the alleged incident. There is also reportedly some very substantial evidence that both accusers conspired with each other to sell their stories to the tabloids.

If that's not bad enough, there's the fact that Sweden has never in the history of their nation attempted to extradite someone for the offense which they wish to question Assange. Never, ever, ever. It's such an unprovable he-said, she-said, it is very rarely charged. In this case, the severe credibility issues of the witnesses would suggest a near impossibility of a successful prosecution.

Don't forget that the UK authorities are spending upwards of $100,000 per day to make sure this uncharged, non-criminal doesn't leave their country, even though they claim they want to boot him out. $100K per day is probably at the very low end, as that only counts the expenses of the local police, not the special services.

There's only a select group of crack smokers who believe this isn't about an eventual extradition to the US.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:30 AM

doglover: Better question, are you foolish enough to assume anyone ever did?


This.
 
2012-08-26 05:18:35 AM
Surely one way of looking at all of this is as a kind of rubbish form of espionage, by spies who make no attempt to conceal their activities. In that case presumably it's not massively different to however spies have been dealt with for years?
 
2012-08-26 05:23:46 AM
Would it not be possible for Ecuador to send a boat with a helicopter... and have that helicopter pick him up from the embassy and take him straight to a boat? It is elaborate and expensive, but it seems to me like it might just work unless the UK throws a fit about airspace... but then again i am completely ignorant on the fine details of Embassies and airspace rights relating to them...
 
2012-08-26 05:25:41 AM
I am torn between despising this asshole, and wondering just what he has done that justifies the waste of my tax dollars bothering him. Do you shiat-for-brains think maybe you could fill a few f**king potholes before you piss away millions chasing a Goddamn gossip?
 
2012-08-26 05:31:04 AM
He should have been shot long ago. I'm disappointed in our covert ops guys for not being able to disappear him years ago.
 
2012-08-26 05:35:04 AM
That the governments find him so threatening is exactly why he needs to be free.
He and Wikileaks are the allies to the common man, and it is disgusting at how far the US government and its pets are going to bring him down.
Clearly Iraq and the financial collapse are squarely on Wikileaks' shoulders. And global warming.


RandomRandom: fusillade762: Does anybody really still think this is about some shaky sexual assault charges?

Only the frenzied bunch who believe he's a spy and should die. Oh, and those who equate any accusation of sexual misconduct with hide-in-the-bushes rapists.


I'm just guessing, but I imagine there's a severe overlap with birtherism and the people out for his blood.
 
2012-08-26 05:39:13 AM

Bungles: The best thing for Wikileaks would be for Assange to quietly have a heart attack and die.

They've turned into a high level propaganda machine, pumping out daft nonsense on their Facebook page about how evil Sweden is and how lovely and cuddly Ecuador is.


Whats on this clipboard that we didnt know already?

Is there precedent for treating international suspects this way? Why yes!

Whats really revealing here is that friends of the party of Julia are perfectly willing to demonize her if she is raped and bears witness against an important liberal icon.

What happened to supporting women, on the left?
 
2012-08-26 05:42:43 AM

Maul555: Would it not be possible for Ecuador to send a boat with a helicopter... and have that helicopter pick him up from the embassy and take him straight to a boat? It is elaborate and expensive, but it seems to me like it might just work unless the UK throws a fit about airspace... but then again i am completely ignorant on the fine details of Embassies and airspace rights relating to them...


They'd have to receive permission to enter UK airspace, which they wouldn't receive. As for boats, even if they managed to sneak Assange to the coast he would still be at great risk. It's a very long voyage to Ecuador. Were the US to determine he was on a specific ship, they'd undoubtedly stop and search the boat.

The only way Assange is getting out of this mess is if Sweden and the UK both agree not to further extradite him. Then he can go to Sweden, probably beat the very shaky charges, after which he would take a commercial or diplomatic flight from Sweden to Ecuador. He'd have to be careful in his flight selection. Were he to take a private plane, the US might try to force it down. An Ecuadoran government aircraft that had Ecuadorian diplomats on board would probably be his safest method of travel.

Those who say Sweden and the UK cannot make extradition guarantees are LYING. In both Sweden and the UK, great deference in matters of extradition is given to the politically elected leadership. They have laws prevending extradition for death-penalty offenses, but other than that the governments can do pretty much do whatever they like. The extradition condition demanded by Ecuador does not violate UK or Swedish laws and could be legally implemented at any time by either country.

The fact that neither nation will rule-out further extradition provides even more proof that this fiasco has absolutely nothing to do with a desire to bring Assange to justice for the allegations in Sweden.  This is all about US governmental pressure.
 
2012-08-26 05:42:56 AM

Bungles: The best thing for Wikileaks would be for Assange to quietly have a heart attack and die.

They've turned into a high level propaganda machine, pumping out daft nonsense on their Facebook page about how evil Sweden is and how lovely and cuddly Ecuador is.


Judging from this thread, Sweden is worse than the Soviet Union under Stalin.
 
2012-08-26 05:46:13 AM
Revealing what the US military does can be very consequential.

That's why the US media won't do it.
 
2012-08-26 05:48:46 AM

Animatronik:
What happened to supporting women, on the left?


If you would read the info on the case you see what a farce it is. 
The defense would win utterly.
 
2012-08-26 05:49:12 AM
I'm sure even after all of that people still think it's not a witch-hunt with no happy ending for Assange, but rather a pursuit of justice for the poor girl(s) that had to see his peepee.
 
2012-08-26 05:52:50 AM

Animatronik: Bungles: The best thing for Wikileaks would be for Assange to quietly have a heart attack and die.

They've turned into a high level propaganda machine, pumping out daft nonsense on their Facebook page about how evil Sweden is and how lovely and cuddly Ecuador is.

Judging from this thread, Sweden is worse than the Soviet Union under Stalin.


Well, it's a good thing you're staying away from that sort of ludicrous hyperbole.
 
2012-08-26 05:52:56 AM

Animatronik: What happened to supporting women, on the left?


Assange can be a douchbag AND be a persecuted individual at the same time.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Being liberal does not mean accepting every shaky allegation of sexual misconduct as fact. Being liberal does not mean accepting the word of a female over a male. I don't know the truth of the allegations, but the accusers in this instance have such severe credibility issues it is nearly impossible to believe these allegations could result in a successful prosecution.

That's the problem. The allegations may be legitimate, the reaction to those allegations by both the Swedish and UK goverments has been anything but legitimate.
 
2012-08-26 05:56:11 AM
No Lethal Weapon reference?

/sorry, I'm being lazy
 
2012-08-26 05:57:08 AM

fusillade762: The British Government has threatened, under a 1987 Act, to enter the embassy and arrest the 41-year-old

Does anybody really still think this is about some shaky sexual assault charges?


Meh, it's Assange that's been continually escalating this, the various governments involved have actually gotten pissy about it much more slowly than they usually do.

But no, it's currently about some asshat trying to use your government as a shield when he's not even a citizen, the UK doesn't care why he's making trouble so long as they get him the fark out where he can't make the country look terrible anymore.

God-is-a-Taco: That the governments find him so threatening is exactly why he needs to be free.


You're not very familiar with western politics, are you?

This is not "threatened", this is "annoyed". This is still going on specifically because he's not considered important enough to waste the relatively small amount of bribe money required to get Ecuador to do whatever the hell one might please.
 
2012-08-26 05:59:08 AM
They should dress him up like an Asian woman and sneak him out of the country.
 
2012-08-26 05:59:24 AM
This is the comment I submitted to Mail Online (I don't know if it will be approved or not): "That's despicable. At best, the legality is questionable. But it's despicable under any circumstances. The British government are lackeys and lapdogs to US policy. I think most Brits probably resent that, I know I certainly would. But when it comes to Downing St., it's all they can do to keep the urine from dribbling down their rear legs. Are we so far down the road, that the erstwhile revolutionaries have evolved into the tyrants, and the tables have been completely overturned?"
 
2012-08-26 06:04:19 AM
The thought of this asshole getting water boarded makes me smile.
 
2012-08-26 06:04:31 AM

RandomRandom: Don't forget that the UK authorities are spending upwards of $100,000 per day to make sure this uncharged, non-criminal doesn't leave their country, even though they claim they want to boot him out. $100K per day is probably at the very low end, as that only counts the expenses of the local police, not the special services.


Unlikely. A cop makes substantially less than 100k a year and I seriously doubt that there are over 300 cops surrounding the embassy. The most crowded image that I could find had less than 2 dozen police in it and that was taken right when this whole embassy thing first started. From what I saw there are more journalists than there are cops hanging out around the outside and those journalists and the crowds that they attract are probably more of the reason that the cops are there in any appreciable number than Assange is. For him it would only take a dozen or so spread out over three shifts to cover the exits.
 
2012-08-26 06:08:14 AM
Knowing South American people, it will end with some Ecuadorian politician with a new Ferrari and a nice bed of cash courtesy of the American tax payers via CIA or DoD.
 
2012-08-26 06:10:39 AM

Jim_Callahan:
You're not very familiar with western politics, are you?

This is not "threatened", this is "annoyed". This is still going on specifically because he's not considered important enough to waste the relatively small amount of bribe money required to get Ecuador to do whatever the hell one might please.



I should have been clearer in the "threatened" remark. Whistleblowers are a threat to any government endeavor, especially ones the people would be strongly against if they were aware of. It's such a threat that Fox News (and similar outlets) went with the traitorous murderer angle almost immediately, and this thread already has a few people wanting him to be killed without trial.
It's also a threat in what he represents, which is a simple group of people undoing the work of billions of dollars of deception.

I think they would have killed him by now if they saw it as the best option. Martyrdom would have quite a big impact on the people on the side of whistleblowers (people under age 40?)

If only people had such violent thoughts towards the people that willingly plummeted the world economy into the drain, destroying the lives of millions and millions.
Or maybe the people that fabricated the "evidence" needed to start a meaningless war in Iraq.
 
2012-08-26 06:11:46 AM

smadge1: Fail in Human Form: Does anyone else think this is going to end in a huge diplomatic incident?

With warships and warplanes and boots on ground?


I'm thinking more along the lines of nabbed during a diplomatic convoy that takes place due to false assurances from Sweden. He's on his way out, the US unseals the indictment, and they extradite him from England. I'd put the over under at 30 days.
 
2012-08-26 06:16:56 AM

Radioactive Ass: Unlikely. A cop makes substantially less than 100k a year and I seriously doubt that there are over 300 cops surrounding the embassy. The most crowded image that I could find had less than 2 dozen police in it and that was taken right when this whole embassy thing first started. From what I saw there are more journalists than there are cops hanging out around the outside and those journalists and the crowds that they attract are probably more of the reason that the cops are there in any appreciable number than Assange is. For him it would only take a dozen or so spread out over three shifts to cover the exits.


Uh, you've forgotten that guarding Assange is a 24/7 job. There are 168 hours in a week, an average cop works less than a quarter of that.

In any event, those figures were reported by any number of UK papers. I think it was reported as 80,000 pounds per day and I believe the figures were obtained directly from the Met. As such, they certainly don't take into consideration any action by the special services.
 
2012-08-26 06:18:37 AM

STRYPERSWINE: He should have been shot long ago. I'm disappointed in our covert ops guys for not being able to disappear him years ago.


STRYPERSWINE: The thought of this asshole getting water boarded makes me smile.

  

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2012-08-26 06:20:38 AM

LewDux: STRYPERSWINE: He should have been shot long ago. I'm disappointed in our covert ops guys for not being able to disappear him years ago.

STRYPERSWINE: The thought of this asshole getting water boarded makes me smile.  

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Haha oh god... nice reply. I knew there was a reason I had that guy blocked.
 
2012-08-26 06:33:03 AM
1) America wanted to set him up to facilitate an extradition, and 2) Assange actually having committed rape, are not mutually exclusive.


Having sex with an unconscious person, without a condom, is pretty rapey.
 
2012-08-26 06:34:39 AM

RandomRandom: Uh, you've forgotten that guarding Assange is a 24/7 job. There are 168 hours in a week, an average cop works less than a quarter of that.

In any event, those figures were reported by any number of UK papers. I think it was reported as 80,000 pounds per day and I believe the figures were obtained directly from the Met. As such, they certainly don't take into consideration any action by the special services.


I mentioned three shifts so no I didn't forget that it would be full coverage. There are no side exits because the embassy is in the middle of the block just the front and back to keep an eye on. If four police officers can't do that then there is something wrong. I would assume that any more than that are there more for the protesters and journalists that have gathered in the area and not for Assange. 100k a day is way too high of an estimate just for Assange.

In other words it's the protesters that are costing the government the money much more so than Assange is.
 
2012-08-26 06:35:31 AM

STRYPERSWINE: He should have been shot long ago. I'm disappointed in our covert ops guys for not being able to disappear him years ago.


whats holding you back? when you're done there you can take out the scumbags of washington DC for their sins. then we can have some birthday cake. mmmm, cake.
 
2012-08-26 06:37:30 AM

KrispyKritter: STRYPERSWINE: He should have been shot long ago. I'm disappointed in our covert ops guys for not being able to disappear him years ago.

whats holding you back? when you're done there you can take out the scumbags of washington DC for their sins. then we can have some birthday cake. mmmm, cake.


He was totally going to do it himself but then he got busy with other stuff.
 
2012-08-26 06:38:25 AM
I see a lot of comments using the words "secret" and "top secret" indiscriminately (including the Fark headline). It's clear from the article and the pictures that this information was considered RESTRICTED. Restricted is a far cry from top secret.
 
2012-08-26 06:39:36 AM
Holed up in an embassy? I think I remember how that ends.
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2012-08-26 06:40:00 AM
A couple of years ago a British politician was photographed in Downing Street carrying some uncovered sensitive document - caused a bit of a stir at the time. THIS particular example looks like Whitehall using the former embarrassment as a positive tool to issue another threat in a veiled, pantomime form.

As for Assange - give yourself up. The world has been lacking martyrs as of late.
 
2012-08-26 06:52:07 AM
If I was the Ecuadorians, I'd be having vans with blacked out windows and diplomatic plates coming and going from the embassy all day long. Drive to the airport, then to a sea port, then all over London, then back to the embassy. Maybe have people leave the embassy with masks on or blankets over their head all the time as well, trying to get into awaiting cars that would then drive off.
 
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